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Monday, May 26, 2003

<  Session 1354 (Private/Phone)  >


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Steve.

(Eliasí arrival time is 20 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

STEVE: Is this the genius Elias?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Present and accounted for! Ha ha ha!

STEVE: This is Steve L. Iím your old buddy out here in Orange, California. Iím the man with the psychic ability thatís being suppressed by a disease that was created by my subjective awareness to prevent me from using this psychic ability until I learn how to use it without offending him or the gods. He placed what I would call a brain clamp, a clamp on my brain, that only rarely allows me my full psychic ability, and causes me other problems, too. Iím trying desperately to get rid of that.

Let me ask you a couple of unrelated questions first. Have you ever heard of Sedona, Arizona?

ELIAS: I am aware of the physical location.

STEVE: It is alleged to be a place where several or more dimensions come together, and that is because of the energy thatís there. I have a feeling thatís probably not correct, but Seth talks about places in the world where there is more than one dimension that comes together and that causes energy. If you agree with that, whatís the closest one to where I am now, which is Los Angeles, California? Iíd like to feel that energy sometime. Or are you not able to know that?

ELIAS: There are energy deposits in many locations within your physical world, so to speak.

Now; physical locations that may be associated with a thinning of the veils of separation between physical dimensions is generated by the collective energy of the individuals that dwell in that physical location and in combination with other individuals of like kind that perhaps visit these locations and offer their energy to that type of expression also. It is not that the location itself incorporates some different type of configuration, but that the individuals that are within that location express a particular type of energy that allows for that type of portal, so to speak. It is an energy deposit of a collective.

STEVE: Regardless, then, of how itís created, what is the nearest one to Los Angeles, or is that out of your repertoire to know that?

ELIAS: I may express, of this type of magnitude, there is another location within your southern region...

STEVE: Iím in Orange County, if youíve ever heard of that. Sedonaís not one of them?

ELIAS: Yes, it is. You are enquiring of one that may be more closely located to your physical location. I may express...

STEVE: Is that the strongest one in the west?

ELIAS: One of, yes.

STEVE: Is there one closer to me thatís that strong?

ELIAS: Within an area of what you term to be Baja.

STEVE: Oh, thatís in Mexico. I wouldnít want to go down there. Iíd probably get robbed! (Elias laughs) Iíd go to Sedona before Iíd go there. So the closest one is in Mexico, huh?


STEVE: Well, then, Iíll just have to go to Sedona. Is it in the town of Sedona, or is it up in the rocks?

ELIAS: The general area.

STEVE: So thatís not just myth. Thatís very interesting. Thank you for that.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

STEVE: The other thing is I told you before I have the ability to tap into communications, which is what you said Iím tapping into, between my subjective awareness and my objective awareness, by the fact that this so-called brain clamp, whatever is causing it Ė assumedly itís some kind of factor in my blood Ė also causes muscle contractions. It allows me to know by the fact that if I say ďXĒ is true... Say I make a statement that I have a calcium deficiency. If thatís true, Iíll get a muscle contraction; if itís false, I wonít get anything. Iím able to ask any question like that and intercept a communication.

First of all, is that the ideal way to, as you say, alter my perception, and is that the same thing? Youíre saying to alter our perception by listening to the communications in other ways, such as to see whatís happening to your body in any given moment. Is what Iím describing, and if itís hypothetically speaking accurate, is that an even better way of altering perception that you talk about?

ELIAS: It is one method.

STEVE: In asking this, Iím trying to walk the straight and narrow on the issue of the ethics of any kind of psychic ability, because my subjective awareness is requiring that before it will release this brain clamp. I know that because you told me that, and I also asked in the way I just described, and it consistently tells me that that is so.

Sometimes I like to know things like is Elias more correct on this one issue or is Seth more correct on this one issue. I asked last night and several other times if you were correct that weíre here to experience physicality or is Seth right that weíre here to learn things and then press on to a higher plane. I always get the answer that youíre correct, that weíre here to experience physicality.

Some of the things I ask in that regard would breach the rule on invasion of someoneís consciousness without their permission, because to get the answer, my subjective awareness would necessarily have to invade the personís consciousness. Like if I ask, ďSo-and-so right now is thinking about sex,Ē I would have to invade his consciousness to get the answer, so Iím not allowed to ask questions like that. But it would facilitate me knowing about all the things you know, if I could invade your consciousness. (Laughs) You probably wouldnít want me to do that! But Iím asking if you will give me permission to do that.

ELIAS: (Looks amused and shrugs) If you are so choosing.

STEVE: It doesnít bother you? It would make me kind of nervous, I would think. (Elias laughs) Therefore, I could know everything that you know just by saying, ďUsing Elias as the fount of information on this issue...Ē or I could find out what you were doing all day. I wouldnít want to, but I canít think of anything else to say right now. But it doesnít matter what the issue is, Iím granted your permission to invade your consciousness on any issue?

ELIAS: Very well.

STEVE: You may be sorry! (Elias laughs) Thank you for that.

I asked last night whether or not I have the ability to know if thereís an asteroid in our solar system. I didnít get any farther than that, but assumedly that would tell me whether Planet X, which is on our radio stations a lot, is approaching Earth and is about to turn it upside down. Are you able to know that, if Planet X is approaching Earth and about to turn us upside down? Have you ever heard of Planet X?

ELIAS: I am aware of what you are speaking of and in response to your question, no.

STEVE: Youíre not able to know that?

ELIAS: I am, and the response to your question is no.

STEVE: Thatís good to know! I wonít head for the hills. (Elias laughs) Therefore, since youíre able to know that, Iím able to know that. So when I got a ďyesĒ answer from myself, it was accurate. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Incorporating a ďyesĒ response in relation to what question?

STEVE: I said to myself I am able to know whether there is an asteroid in our solar system, and the answer came back yes, I am able to know that.

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: Thatís true then, that if youíre able to do it, I must be able to do it, right?

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: By the way, how are you and I able to know that? Does my consciousness travel into outer space and perceive an asteroid?

ELIAS: It is not a matter of traveling. Your consciousness is much more vast than you realize.

STEVE: Is it already sitting out there?

ELIAS: Your consciousness as essence is focused, so to speak, in many, many, many, many areas of consciousness, in actuality countless areas. Therefore, any of this information is available to you.

STEVE: The only consciousness that knows about that asteroid, I suppose, is the atoms in the asteroid.

ELIAS: Not necessarily...

STEVE: Is that the consciousness I tap into?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

STEVE: What other consciousness knows about it?

ELIAS: Any of your awarenesses that may be in any area of consciousness that would be associated with that particular movement or those particular creations.

STEVE: Itís not a personís consciousness I tap into to know that, is it?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is YOU.

STEVE: If it was a personís consciousness, then I would be breaching the rule against not getting their permission before I tap into it, right?


STEVE: So anyway, hereís what I was able to do. A year ago, every week I would follow the football scores, NFL, National Football League, but I could no more tell you now who won each game or who played each other the first week, second week, third week Ė I canít remember. So I asked my subjective awareness to fill me in, and I got 22 of them in a row right. Iíll bet you canít do that by chance. That is one way that Iím able to prove to myself that I can do this accurately, virtually every time.

I want to talk to you about the ethics of psychic activity, because I want to make sure I donít make a mistake. Hereís what Iím set up with now. I asked my subjective awareness what I had to do to get it to let up on me with this brain clamp and how long it was going to take him to do that. It took me a series of questions to find out. I canít ask open-ended statements, because nobody speaks to me; I can only ask questions which can be answered with true or false. I was told that if I do not make any mistakes by doing something psychically, or trying to, that my subjective awareness disapproves of, it will remove this brain clamp on June 23, a little less than a month from now. What is your opinion, first of all, of whether that was accurate or not?

ELIAS: I may say to you that you do incorporate the ability to accomplish that action.

STEVE: Do you believe that I was told correctly that itís going to happen automatically if I do not try to do anything psychically in the next 28 days which would cause my subjective awareness disapproval?

ELIAS: In association with your beliefs, yes, this is a potential. I may not respond to you in absolutes, for there are no absolutes, and within any moment you may alter your direction. Therefore, there are variables.

STEVE: Right, but those are the probabilities at this moment, correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: Therefore, I need to make sure I donít... By the way, it said that if I donít try to do anything psychically in the next 28 days, thatís not going to be good enough. In other words, I need to demonstrate through psychic activity that Iím not going to offend him.

ELIAS: I understand.

STEVE: Therefore, I need to discuss with you in what ways I could offend him. This is what I have so far. I have the information that without permission I am not allowed to tap into anybodyís consciousness for any reason. Is that correct? Is that the ethics of the situation? I donít know, first of all, if my subjective awareness is the same as everybody elseís. In other words, maybe I have a stricter one than average. Is that possible?


STEVE: Really! Some people can tap into other peopleís consciousness and not offend their subjective awareness?

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: Damn, I wish I had gotten one of those deals!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) This is associated with the individualís beliefs.

STEVE: Oh, really?


STEVE: You mean I could change that and be more freewheeling?


STEVE: How would I do that?

ELIAS: In becoming aware of the strength of YOUR beliefs.

STEVE: And just automatically then you gain a less strict subjective awareness, or then you have to do something else?

ELIAS: That is possible, although I may express to you it is also unlikely.

STEVE: What else would you have to do, besides knowing the strength of your beliefs?

ELIAS: The first step is to identify what beliefs you incorporate.

STEVE: The belief is, like I said, that itís wrong to invade someoneís consciousness without permission on any issue.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; in this, recognizing what that belief is associated with and how it influences you and how it influences your perception specifically.

STEVE: It didnít influence me at all until I knew about it. I would just invade anybodyís consciousness that I felt like invading for the last year or two. Itís only the fact through me asking this question of my subjective awareness that I even knew that it was that strict.

ELIAS: Ah, but you have been expressing influences of your beliefs for what you term to be many years.

STEVE: You mean because I have this disease?


STEVE: But I didnít know that was the reason I had it.

ELIAS: This is the point. This is what I expressed to you, that your first step is to identify the beliefs that you incorporate as expressed beliefs, which in this present now you have not quite even identified many of those beliefs. Once identifying the beliefs, which may be much more challenging than it initially appears, and once identifying what are your expressed beliefs, you move into the process of recognizing what the influence of those beliefs is.

STEVE: I think weíve already established that, right? The influence is that when I try to do something psychically that my subjective awareness disapproves of, I actually get a stronger brain clamp. Itíll happen if I make a series of transgressions against these ethical rules that my subjective awareness has, like a day or two later Iíll get a stronger brain clamp, or sometimes itís instantaneously. Itís like saying no, donít do that again or Iíll nail ya! I already know the influence of it.

ELIAS: But you are not recognizing all of the beliefs that are associated with that influence. That is ONE influence, and there are many beliefs.

STEVE: But these beliefs arenít in my conscious mind, because I didnít even know about all this in my conscious mind. If I hadnít heard about you, I would have never known about it.

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are expressing, but I may say to you yes, these beliefs are expressed through your objective awareness and they are evidenced in what you do and how you think, but this is not to say that you have objectively identified these beliefs.

STEVE: Not all of them, but youíll agree that Iíve identified one of them now, right?


STEVE: Iíll keep working on the others, unless you want to make it easy for me.

ELIAS: You incorporate expressed beliefs concerning protection, concerning religious beliefs in association with...

STEVE: I donít have any religious beliefs whatsoever!

ELIAS: Ah! And I may express to you quite DEFINITELY, in this present now, that statement is entirely incorrect!

STEVE: Donít mistake me for someone else Ė I didnít get that gene!

ELIAS: And that is an incorrect statement. Regardless of whether you affiliate yourself with any philosophy...

STEVE: I donít believe in God!

ELIAS: It matters not. You express religious beliefs associated with those concepts, regardless. You have been expressing that with myself in this conversation in how you refer to your subjective awareness in association of viewing it as separate from you and not you and an authority over you and incorporating some power in association with you that you are subject to, which is an influence of a religious belief concerning higher powers.

STEVE: All right, I get you. By the way, why did whoever set up this system Ė I guess some would say itís the All That Is energy gestalt, or something Ė anyway, the guy who set up this system (Elias grins) where we have a subjective awareness and an objective awareness and all that business, why did they make it so difficult for us to know what our subjective awareness is doing and communicating at any different point? We have to go through these secret and obscure codes and probably get it wrong half the time and wouldnít even know about this situation unless we read some of your writings, and therefore go through our whole lives not understanding that a disease is created for a reason by our subjective awareness. Why did they make it so difficult! Why didnít they just have the subjective awareness speak to us?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Ah, but it does, continuously! You have merely become less aware in not paying attention any longer, which has become a familiar expression within your physical reality, which is also one of the reasons that collectively many of you have requested within consciousness information and helpfulness in association with your interaction with essences such as myself. For, you have moved yourselves through the centuries into a direction and an expression that you do not pay attention to your communications. That has become quite unfamiliar.

STEVE: I see. So when they first set it up, it was a lot easier. (Laughs, and Elias laughs) But of course, you being an essence, I guess you donít have to go through that translation. You probably just get it directly, right square in your brain.

ELIAS: I do not incorporate a brain. HA HA!

STEVE: Then right square between the eyes.

ELIAS: (Laughs) In a manner of speaking!

STEVE: I read your piece in Paul Helfrichís digest, the information he said to go to on understanding what your ethics are as far as psychic ability. (1) You seem to say thereís a set of rules that apply to essence that all essence agrees on thatís different than what youíre telling me, that my subjective awareness might have a different set of rules than somebody elseís.

ELIAS: In association with your beliefs.

STEVE: Letís just say that my subjective awareness has the same ethical rules that essence has, which is the same rules, I suppose, that you and Seth would have, and Paul/Patel and anybody else that you can think of. They would all be the same rules, right?

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: Let me find out from you what those rules are. Sometimes I see you and Seth invading peopleís consciousness who are third parties to the conversation you are having with a client. The only way you can get the answer is to invade that third personís consciousness, and youíre not getting his permission first. Should I assume that your rules are set up that you can go into other peopleís thoughts and get information from them without their permission and feed it to another person?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, first of all, I do not incorporate beliefs or belief systems, for I am not participating within your physical reality. I do not incorporate a manifestation in participation within your physical reality. Therefore, I also do not incorporate the beliefs that are an element of the design of your reality.

Also, I may express to you that it is not a question of attaining an individualís permission or another essenceís permission to be merging with them or to be interactive with them. It is a matter of knowing within consciousness that the one action that you associate as a rule that is not acceptable is to be intrusive; but as essence, I incorporate an understanding of being intrusive and therefore automatically do not express an intrusive action.

STEVE: But how else would you gather the information?

ELIAS: The information is available. An intrusiveness is associated with certain motivations and in association with the receptiveness or the lack of receptiveness of any other essence.

STEVE: Iíve seen Seth do it where it actually ends up hurting the other person. Iíve seen him do it where he describes ďThis person that youíre associating with, they have bad motives toward you. I would stay away from them.Ē He actually told somebody that. That would be a breach, wouldnít it?


STEVE: Why not? Heís invading the consciousness of someone else Ė except I think you just said you donít have to invade the consciousness to get the information, if I understood you correctly.

ELIAS: Correct, and that discussion was an interaction between himself and another individual, and directed to the individual in association with what the individual was projecting in THEIR energy and in association with their request.

STEVE: Well, fine, but heís still doing something to harm somebody else. That person doesnít want Seth saying that to a friend of theirs.

ELIAS: There is no harmfulness in that scenario.

STEVE: Why not?

ELIAS: For it is an interaction between that essence and the individual, and there is no involvement of any other individual and any other individualís energy. It is merely an interaction that is directly associated between that essence Seth and the individual that is interacting with him.

STEVE: Iím a little unsettled with that answer, but let me give you another question. I would dearly love to be able to tap into the information as to where and when the next terrorist attack is going to be by al-Qaeda in the United States. I have that ability, but I do not have permission to do so. When I ask the question of my subjective awareness would he disapprove of me doing so, he said yes, he would!

Would your ethical system allow you to do that with the knowledge that what I would do with the information is tell the FBI so they could stop it, and that would end up with the arrest of the person whose plan we were intercepting and they would get a life-time jail sentence? What about that one?

ELIAS: First of all, I may express to you that what you are attempting to do is to tap into what you would view as a future probability, which is ludicrous for the future is not expressed.

STEVE: No, but all you would have to do would be to tap into a past or present plan to do something in the future. That plan is already in place now.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But it has not occurred, and therefore, there continues to be the element of choice.

STEVE: Thatís true, but you can still tap into the plan itself at this moment, and if that doesnít change, then itís going to happen. But you agree that you could tap into the terroristís plan right now, is that right?

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: Wouldnít that be a breach of your ethics?


STEVE: Even if they end up with a long jail sentence?

ELIAS: It would not, for I may not necessarily offer a sharing of that information for it is not an absolute. Regardless of whether any individual is incorporating a plan, so to speak, in this present now to express some sort of terrorist action, in your terms, they have not actually enacted that. Therefore, it is not an absolute, and this...

STEVE: No, but Iíll tell you what is an absolute. Itís an absolute that they presently have the plan. Can you tell me right now if...

ELIAS: It is an expression. Even that is not an absolute.

STEVE: Well, itís an absolute whether a person intends to do that right now.

ELIAS: No, it is not, for it has not been expressed. It is not BEING expressed.

STEVE: Being expressed has nothing to do with whether you intend to do something at this moment.

ELIAS: You may intend to do many different actions and not actually incorporate any of them.

STEVE: The question weíre asking is not whether it will happen, but the question is what is the state of mind of the person at the present.

ELIAS: It matters not.

STEVE: Are you willing to tell me if such a plan is in the mind of an al-Qaeda member right now to have this happen in the next month in the United States? Are you willing to tell me that?

ELIAS: There are several which are incorporating this type of expression presently...

STEVE: That could happen in the next 30 days?

ELIAS: ...but the potential is not necessarily as strong.

STEVE: What means is the plan right now? Are they going to use a dirty bomb?

ELIAS: As I have stated, there are several different expressions. Let me express to you, what is significant in association with what you want is to be aware of the energy that YOU are expressing.

Now; as I identified with you previously, this is very influencing. You incorporate an expressed belief in association with protection. You also incorporate an expressed belief in punishment and retaliation and blame.

Now; incorporating an outward expression of energy in association with each of these expressed beliefs merely perpetuates and lends energy to the actions that you do not want to materialize, and you are lending energy to those very actions.

STEVE: By not tapping into it?

ELIAS: By not being aware of those beliefs and therefore continuing to express energy outwardly in association with them. In a manner of speaking, your energy is in agreement with the energy of the individuals that you label as terrorists. You merely express it in a different manner.

STEVE: Just on the issue of the ethics of it for the moment, your ethics allow you to retrieve that information and feed it to me, is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes, but in part. What would be intrusive would be to incorporate an evaluation and judgment of the actions or the plan or the intention of any individual and to be accusatory prior to any actual incorporation of action, for this negates choice and free will.

STEVE: Look at it this way, though, Elias. It is a crime in the United States to conspire to commit a crime.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but I am not subject to your laws or to your beliefs in association with crime or what is good and what is bad.

STEVE: You made a judgment that itís okay to conspire, itís just not okay to do it.

ELIAS: I am not expressing that it is not acceptable to incorporate the action. I may express to you it matters not. It is merely a choice, and in that choice, any individual that is participating, whether they be associated as a perpetrator or a victim, has CHOSEN to participate, and those are choices also. It matters not in association with myself, for I do not incorporate the beliefs that you incorporate.

STEVE: Maybe I could use your permission that you granted me to invade your consciousness, as I called it, to find out that information, and I wouldnít offend my subjective awareness therefore. Is that possible?

ELIAS: It is possible but very unlikely.

STEVE: Why is it unlikely?

ELIAS: For you shall block yourself.

STEVE: I wonít get the right answer, you mean?

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: Will I offend my subjective awareness if I try to?

ELIAS: In association with your beliefs, yes.

STEVE: I see. Why is that, since you granted me permission to learn all that you know?

ELIAS: For it is associated with your beliefs and your motivation. I have expressed to you in previous conversations that you shall automatically block yourself from generating an intrusiveness.

STEVE: You can do it on your own, but I canít. Iím too strict, in other words.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, in this present now, yes.

STEVE: If I wasnít so strict, that would really give me an extraordinary advantage over other human beings in the marketplace, in the stock market, in gambling casinos. You could know the dealerís cards in blackjack! You could bankrupt the casino, till they threw you out. What about those things? That would be a violation of your rules, wouldnít it?


STEVE: You could go in there and bankrupt Vegas, and that would be just fine?

ELIAS: It is a choice.

STEVE: Boy, youíre loose! And all your people up there are that loose, huh? (Elias laughs) I thought harm to others was not necessarily a good thing with you all.

ELIAS: But it is an agreement, and it is a choice. It is an experience.

STEVE: But you wouldnít do it, would you?

ELIAS: Within physical focus?

STEVE: If you were a human being, you would not go into a casino and mind read the blackjack dealerís cards, would you, to make money from the casino? You wouldnít do that, right?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, I have been physically manifest in what you view to be the past in your physical dimension. I do not incorporate attentions within your physical dimension any longer, but I have been manifest within your physical dimension Ėmany, many, MANY manifestations. And in those manifestations, I have incorporated a number of quite colorful characters as individuals that you would view to be quite shady! (Laughs) As thieves and have incorporated actions of murder and deception...

STEVE: Itís obvious that you donít agree with that behavior as an essence.

ELIAS: It matters not as essence.

Now; I have incorporated other focuses in which the beliefs that were expressed would be quite appalled with some of these other focuses and the behaviors that were expressed. As essence, it matters not. They are all experiences in an exploration of a physical manifestation, and they each incorporate their own expressed beliefs.

STEVE: Are you ever deceptive in your day-to-day life as an essence?

ELIAS: No. It is unnecessary.

STEVE: Youíre never deceptive to any of us clients, is that correct?

ELIAS: No. What would be the motivation?

STEVE: I donít know. Also, my subjective awareness has a really tight clamp on my telepathic ability. I can only find two things that it would allow me to do without disapproving. One is to energize anybody I want to in the world at any time without their permission, and the other is to send the message that I love the person to any person at any time. Those are the two easiest things for me to do Ė maybe for everyone Ė and those are the only two that it allows. Moving objects around, it doesnít approve of that. It doesnít approve of me curing somebodyís illness, or trying to, without their permission. Do you have a more liberal ethical standard on that as essence?

ELIAS: I do not incorporate actions of what you term to be healing of other individuals, for the individual is what chooses whether to incorporate a healing energy or not.

STEVE: That isnít always true, Elias, and Iíll tell you how I know that. I am able to energize another person by saying ďI am energizing this person,Ē under the conditions that my brain clamp is not so severe at the moment. Most of the time it doesnít get through, but sometimes it does. In doing so, it stimulates their healing powers. I do this to myself all day long. I say to myself, ďI am healing this infection; I am energizing myself.Ē It always turns on this self-healing mechanism, thatís present in all human beings, to a fierce degree, where if I get a cold or sore throat, it is gone within a minute many times, every time, over and over again.

I do that to other people at will and that can cure their cold and most of the things that ail them in short order, if I could sustain it, which I canít. I can only do brief interludes. But it does affect them positively, their health, without them even knowing whatís happening to them as far their conscious mind.

Another thing Iíve noticed is that after I stop doing it, after about a minute, the opposite occurs. Thereís probably some mechanism set up in the human body as a counterweight to this kind of activity, where they go into immune suppression for a period of time, which lasts about 40 minutes. Not only that, but if Iím not quite as psychic as I have the potential to be, it transmits the message negatively, so it suppresses their healing systems, suppresses their energy, suppresses their immune system. If that happens and I stop doing it, the reverse happens and those systems are turned on for about 40 minutes.

So I am contesting you when you say that you need their permission to do so. This seems to happen whether theyíre even aware of it or not, and it seems to happen on a time scale that everybody seems to incorporate. It seems to be something that itís not necessary that they approve of, as you say. What do you say to all that?

ELIAS: First of all, I may express to you that you are not actually physically affecting any expression within another individual, for you do not create any element of any other individualís reality. You may offer an energy to another individual, and regardless of their objective awareness of it or not, they may be receiving of that energy and configuring it in similar manner to the projection that you have expressed, but it is their choice to be incorporating that exchange, and they...

STEVE: Everybody seems to choose it. Why would anybody choose to have their immunity suppressed?

ELIAS: Let me also express to you that many times what you are viewing is the manifestations that you have projected through your perception, and not necessarily what the other individual is actually experiencing.

STEVE: Youíre saying that I misperceive them, but I donít agree with that.

ELIAS: I am not expressing to you that you misperceive them. You perceive them, you CREATE them in association with your perception, which is quite real. You create the actual physical manifestation...

STEVE: Iím healing them, then.

ELIAS: You may be incorporating that action of the physical manifestation that YOU have created through your perception.

STEVE: They still end up better off for it, right?

ELIAS: At times, if they are in agreement and receiving the energy.

STEVE: Doesnít this also fly in the face of your statements that our thoughts really have no power, that theyíre just translating instruments? Iím creating this energy in them with my thoughts.

ELIAS: No, you are not.

STEVE: Iím sure instigating it with my thoughts.

ELIAS: No, you are not. You are translating what you are doing.

STEVE: Unless I think it, it doesnít happen. (Elias shakes his head) Unless itís in my consciousness mind, it doesnít happen.

ELIAS: This is not entirely correct, either, but I am aware of the strength of your association with your thought process and the strength of your belief that thought does create. Therefore, you very closely associate your thoughts with your energy projections. But I may express to you once again, thought does not create reality; it does not precede any of your creations. This is not its function.

STEVE: But without it, it doesnít happen.

ELIAS: Ah, I may express to you that this is not necessarily correct. It is your perception, which generates a reality. Therefore, within YOUR reality in association with the strength of your beliefs and how you generate actions through your perception, yes, I shall agree that...

STEVE: Youíre saying that itís only the belief that makes it so. (Elias nods) The only reason I believe it is that Iíve observed it happening. I didnít believe it first and then do it.

ELIAS: I may express to you quite differently. You do incorporate ALL of the beliefs in ALL of the belief systems, and you express beliefs regardless of whether you identify that you incorporate them or not. Regardless of whether you are aware of the identification of any particular belief objectively matters not. You express them anyway.

STEVE: Let me try another one, and Iím sure youíll say no, you wonít do this. (Elias laughs) I discussed with you in our first session that my muscles contract also when my immunity is stimulated. Therefore, thatís part of this brain clamp factor deal, one of the few benefits. It sure was nice of the subjective awareness to throw in these little morsels of benefit, by the way. It allows me to find things in myself and other humans Ė universal to all humans Ė that turns on our healing mechanisms and stimulates our immune and healing and cures depression and everything under the sun.

I wrote about it on the Internet, at a website, and I told you about that. You just place a piece of cotton ball in your ear, a fourth or a fifth of one, to simulate the pressure of the fetusí finger in the ear, thereby triggering all this healing situation. It cures a cold lickety-split, blah blah blah. Nobody on the face of the earth believes that, and itís a shame because it would basically do away with the medical system. They would just send everybody in for a cotton ball and send them home.

I would like to enlist your help in getting the message out, and youíll say no, you wonít do it. (Elias grins) During your sessions with people, tell them about it. You agreed, quote, ďit is quite effective.Ē

ELIAS: With you!

STEVE: You donít agree itís effective with other people?

ELIAS: It may be if they incorporate the beliefs that it shall be, and if they are expressing a willingness to be incorporating such actions and allow themselves to incorporate that as a focal point to direct their energy in a manner to be healing. But as I expressed to you in that conversation, individuals create dis-ease for reasons, and not every individual chooses to be uncreating dis-ease. Some individuals generate that as an element of their intent.

STEVE: I got rid of mine when I started putting a cotton ball in my ear, and actually it took me about ten years to get to that point, ten years of experimentation with lesser things. I kept getting better and better results with different methods I would try, and they all, the ones that worked, came under the same category, the evolutionary familiarity with the item. In other words, in our evolutionary past, we did certain things repetitively, over and over again, and it evolved as a trigger, therefore, to this healing mechanism. Exploring our ear in the womb turned out to be the best one. I tried others that worked less well and didnít completely cure the illness but made it better.

I suppose that you would therefore say that was not an inherent property of the therapy, it was only your belief that made it work, and therefore, if I believed standing on my head would do it, that would work equally as well. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

STEVE: Iím going to have to disagree with you on that!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And you may.

STEVE: I wish I could tell you how many people have used this cotton ball therapy that laughed at it and said this canít possibly work. They did not believe in the slightest way that it would work, and it worked. And it works every time in believers and non-believers, it doesnít matter. It doesnít make any difference whether they believe it or not, it works equally well. How does that jive with what youíre saying?

ELIAS: You are associating beliefs with thoughts and...

STEVE: So forget about what they say?

ELIAS: are associating your evidence and your basis of information concerning what individuals create or do not create with regard to thought, which beliefs are not thoughts. Thought is quite associated and connected with the expression of individualís beliefs, but they are not the thoughts. The thought is translating.

But I may express to you, thought may also be translating other information in association with individualís preferences. An individual may actually incorporate an expressed belief and it may be quite strong, and they may also simultaneously disagree in thought with their own expressed belief.

STEVE: The bottom line is will you say to people ďtry this cotton ball in the ear as described in this website and it will work for youĒ?

ELIAS: And express...

STEVE: It doesnít matter whether or not it actually works inherently or it works because of their belief instilled by you that it would, it would still work. You would agree with that, right?


STEVE: So why donít you just say that to them and cure their illness? Theyíll tell other people and their illness will be cured because of their belief, and weíll have a world with a lot less disease in it. What about that idea?

ELIAS: I incorporate no motivation to express in this direction, UNLESS an individual inquires.

STEVE: Like I said, I knew youíd say no, but at least I tried.

ELIAS: If an individual inquires and is expressing an energy in that manner, I may perhaps offer that type of information. But without their request, I incorporate no motivation to offer any information that is not requested.

STEVE: Elias, Iíve got to stop in about two minutes or whatever, and I wanted to ask you one question, if you could deal with it quickly. You know this tone of voice that I have that offends people, and itís attached to me like glue. I have listened to myself on tape, and I would describe this tone as being too impressed with myself, too proud of what Iím saying, too proud of my words, a smugness maybe. Iíve tried to get rid of that tone consciously, and I donít seem to be able to do it. Do you have any suggestions on how I could do it?

ELIAS: Perhaps to be allowing yourself to relax your energy and relax your rigidness in association with your beliefs. I may also express to you that the tone that you are referring to may alter considerable if you are addressing to your beliefs, and you allow yourself to be expressing more acceptance and less judgment.

STEVE: Acceptance of other people?

ELIAS: Acceptance of yourself, acceptance of other individuals, acceptance of DIFFERENCES, period. That may be tremendously influencing of your tone. (Chuckles)

STEVE: Iíll try that. Iíll go away from todayís session with the information that I might be able to widen my repertoire of psychic abilities that doesnít offend my subjective awareness if Iím able to identify some of the beliefs that I have within me...


STEVE: ...having to do with protection and the other things that you said, and thereby widen my repertoire. Although Iím reasonably satisfied with the repertoire the way it is now, but I suppose there could be circumstances, like this al-Qaeda thing, that I would like to widen it for. So Iíll ask my subjective awareness various questions about belief to see if I can identify what those beliefs are.

ELIAS: Very well.

STEVE: I think you said that that alone would not solve the problem, that I would have to do something else in addition to that?

ELIAS: Recognize how these beliefs are influencing you and how that is affecting of your perception.

STEVE: And thatís it? Then presto, I have a wider repertoire?

ELIAS: To an extent. You recognize in that that you may be generating more choices.

STEVE: Itís not that I canít do it, itís that Iím not allowed to do it without my subjective awareness laying a clamp on me.

ELIAS: Which, as I have stated, this is quite strongly associated with your beliefs.

STEVE: Thank you for your time.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

STEVE: I will mull over everything you said.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well! And perhaps incorporate some playfulness!

STEVE: Talk to you later!

ELIAS: Very well, I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my friend.

STEVE: Thank you, my friend.

ELIAS: To you in great affection, as always, au revoir.

STEVE: Au revoir.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 14 minutes.


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