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Wednesday, September 10, 2003

<  Session 1434 (Private/Phone)  >

“Probable Selves”

“Remembering a Different Past”

“The Entire Universe Is our Dimension”


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Myranda).

Elias arrives at 7:03 AM. (Arrival time is 17 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANJULI: Good afternoon, Elias! Mary and I just talked about a dream I had that was about an anaconda in my bed. During the dream I was very scared, although the snake did not do any harm to me. But it was no fun to have it in my bed. The dream was not like a dream; it really felt real. When I woke up, I had the impression that several things had been going on at once. I had the feeling that probably I was visited by my fluid focus again.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Ja? I hope I did not do any harm to him, because I did not like him to be there and thought him to be an anaconda.

ELIAS: (Laughs) You have not presented any harmfulness!

ANJULI: Oh, I am glad! (Laughs) Ja, so that was fun, when after waking up I thought he must have been visiting me. But now this anaconda imagery. Michael said she had been watching a movie called “Anaconda” around that time, and she said during the movie she had expressed to herself, “You do not have to be afraid of this snake.” Michael’s impression was that there was a connection, and we are wondering if I got her movie in my dream.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Not necessarily that you presented the motion picture to yourself, but that Michael presented the same imagery to himself in connecting with you and offering an energy of supportiveness with you to not generate an extreme in fear.

ANJULI: Oh! So it was actually almost the other way around.

ELIAS: Yes. You created the imagery in association with the experience that you engaged, and in this, Michael was connecting with you and your imagery, and merely mirroring that in a different action with the same imagery, which expressed an energy of supportiveness to you.

ANJULI: Ja, because she says she likes scary movies and usually she does not express you don’t have to be afraid.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So when we talked about that, she felt that it must be something like that. Oh, interesting! Why did I not recognize during the dream that it was my fluid focus, and translated him as being an anaconda and was afraid? I thought it is about being afraid of my own power or something like that.

ELIAS: Yes, this is the reason that you chose this particular imagery to be translating that energy, for you allowed an interaction between yourself and that other focus in a powerful experience. In that action, you chose the imagery of the snake purposefully, for this also incorporates symbology to you.

ANJULI: Yes, a symbology of increase of energy.

ELIAS: And power and strength.

ANJULI: Ja. So it is, because I am recognizing that I create all of my reality and the entire universe and the Shift and all of the collective. Suddenly I am afraid of my power because who knows, I might create a spider. (Laughs with Elias) I prefer the anaconda! Although I was scared, I knew it was not doing any harm to me. I was breathing and everything. I did not feel pressured or something like that.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Although I am afraid by that power, I don’t feel that it harms me.

ELIAS: Correct, and the fear is associated with the unfamiliarity.

ANJULI: That is why I created this imagery of the anaconda around my visit from my fluid focus, because he symbolizes fluidity and unfamiliarity.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Did he know what was going on with me?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, although the experience of fear is unfamiliar to those focuses.

ANJULI: And how does he view me? I mean, in the other visit of him, before this one, I had the impression that he, for example, does not know what a head is, or something like that. So, how does he translate me?

ELIAS: As a form which is solid and unchanging, but does not necessarily identify or recognize the identification of different parts, so to speak, or appendages. There is an awareness of them, but there is a lack of understanding of what their function is.

ANJULI: I like him! He must have so much courage to visit me! I must have lots of courage. (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Laughs) THAT is more the point. I may express, the other focus incorporates curiosity.

ANJULI: In the last session, we said when I translate you or Patel into solid form I could use any body, physical form, of your focuses of this dimension, or also of other dimensions, to translate you into form.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: After this session, Patel was playing to be a color-lake flowing into my reality, because we also had talked in that session about me coloring my reality by blending my and your energy and the one of Patel. He played being a colorful lake flowing into my reality. (Elias chuckles) I had the impression that there were also happening many things at once. He was looking a little bit like my fluid focus and he was flowing into my reality. Was I a little bit translating a fluid focus of him also, in that?

ELIAS: Somewhat.

ANJULI: Does he have a fluid focus in the fluid dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: You, too?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Are you the blue one Fran/Sandel once dreamt of? She thought that was you in the fluid dimension – something blue, fluid.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: When Patel was playing to be a color flowing into my reality, he was showing me how to use the blending of energy to color my reality in this playful way. I still do not know how to do it, but I know how to do it sort of. I mean, I don’t know it intellectually, but I don’t have to.

ELIAS: This is quite correct. (Chuckles)

ANJULI: Later I connected with Patel as a... I don’t know the English word for that. Brownie? He played being this sort of little being from the folklore dimension. Was I then translating his energy into the form of another focus of him, into that kind of imagery, or was he suggesting this kind of translation for his playful energy?

ELIAS: Both.

ANJULI: Oh, Elias, it was such a fun! (Elias laughs) He is so playful. I love him.

ELIAS: Yes, I am in agreement with you. (Both laugh)

ANJULI: And I did a new impression game, Elias.

ELIAS: Ah.

ANJULI: It was similar to the game Monopoly. I imagined that there is a field and I play dice and walk across that play field. I am playing being in such a game. I can draw imagined cards with a message or create an imagery or come to a point where it says I can jump two points forward and everything like in such a game. And then I played listening to my impressions.

ELIAS: And offering yourself points?

ANJULI: Ja. (Elias laughs) I got so much information, and I trained to have my attention on my impressions, a lot on self and on the impressions, and it was so interesting. Lots of information, although I have now forgotten it! What have I been doing when I was doing that, subjectively energy-wise? I was practicing harmonizing subjective and objective, or...?

ELIAS: Yes, and practicing in creating a balance.

Now; in this, I may also express to you information in the reverse of your dream. For in this action, as you are practicing with balance, you are offering supportive energy to Michael. For Michael is generating somewhat of a struggle presently in relation to balance, and therefore as Michael offered a supportive energy to you in association with your experience in your dream imagery, you also are expressing a supportive energy in relation to balance.

ANJULI: Oh, interesting. During that time of doing the game, I was exploring my probable selves, so I partially met probable selves during that game. But I was not sure if that was really what was happening, because I saw that I am not sure about how different probable selves can be in their choices from my choices. Can I have a probable self that decided to not be female?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I felt I have I connected with two of them.

ELIAS: It is dependent upon at what point the probable self was generated. In that, if a probable self is generated now, as an example, it shall incorporate all of your experiences to this point in your focus. But from this point, its experiences maybe quite different – or they may be somewhat similar; that is dependent upon the choice of the probable self.

But remember, a probable self is not a fragmentation and it is also not separate from you. It is another aspect of you which is creating different experiences. Therefore, you generate some that create very similar experiences to yourself, and you generate others that create very different experiences from yours.

ANJULI: And I can create probable selves which were created before I was born?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: These were the ones I viewed, who were doing very different choices from their birth on, but I was not sure if that is possible. That is why I am asking. For example, there could be a probability in which my mother died after my birth and I was raised elsewhere. Can I even have a probable self with other parents?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: That would be still defined, so to speak, as my focus?

ELIAS: Yes. All of these probable selves and probable realities are aspects of you. This is the reason that I have expressed many times previously that there are countless yous of you in this one focus.

ANJULI: Ja, and what can I do with them? I can, for example, be aware of what a focus really is, that a focus is much more than I thought, and use all the knowledge I get with my various probables and alternates and all that?

ELIAS: Yes, which does offer you information. It also generates an action of thinning these veils of separation and widening your awareness.

ANJULI: Yes, can I interact with them and talk with them?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing, yes.

ANJULI: They are then aware also of that?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: What did you want to continue to say about the thinning of the veils? I interrupted you.

ELIAS: It allows you to view yourself in a manner in which you widen your awareness and you open to your periphery.

ANJULI: The probable selves which are generated much earlier, not in the now, are they already generated or can I generate new probable selves which are generated earlier?

ELIAS: Yes, you may.

ANJULI: Backwards, because my past is in the now?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: With that now, what I am feeling to be the now which is born, I can use that now and make more choices?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: What kind of collective do they have? Sometimes the same and sometimes different ones?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Are they influenced by my movement, what I am doing now? They are all influenced.

ELIAS: Yes, and you are also influenced with their movements. That interaction and that influence, so to speak, is quite similar to counterpart actions, but it is all associated with you, yourself.

ANJULI: I suddenly asked myself how a focus is defined. I was getting aware that in the past I defined myself as that individual born from those parents in that time framework, so I defined my focus by those circumstances I chose. Somehow, I think there must be another way to define myself.

ELIAS: You are correct. In this, you may define yourself as you have, but you may also incorporate much more to be defining yourself. You are much more vast than you appear to be.

ANJULI: And my probable selves are not all born on the same day? Or do they have to be born on the same day?

ELIAS: It is not a rule. Generally speaking, they are, but it is not an absolute and it is also a choice. There are some probable selves that are generated prior to birth. There are some...

ANJULI: Then I have a choice in which I choose another time framework. Could I even have a probable self choosing another year to be born?

ELIAS: Yes. This is what is meant in the statement that in any moment all probabilities are actualized. Therefore, in any choice that you generate, any other choice associated with that choice is also generated.

Now; this is not to say that you create actual probable selves in every moment, for you do not. But you do generate other aspects of yourself which are not actually probable selves and are not generated in an actual probable reality. They are expressed in this reality, but in a type of sub-dimension of this reality. Therefore, all of the choices are not necessarily inserted into your official reality in this dimension, but this is not to say that they are not actualized, for they are.

ANJULI: When I, for example, would have another memory of my past than I have now, would this mean that I have the memory of another probable self, or is this one creating another past, or is that the same or what?

ELIAS: They are not the same, and it may be either. You may generate a memory that is different from the experience that you actually generated in the past and that may be a memory of a probable self or it may be you altering the past in the present, as we discussed previously.

The manner in which you may discover the difference is to be allowing yourself to connect to or view or interact with a probable self. In that interaction or that viewing, you shall recognize whether the memory has been generated in association with the probable self’s experience or whether you have changed the past in the present.

ANJULI: I am glad that the past can be changed, because I think that was one of my absolutes and I felt stuck, as if that was written in stone and I need to go by those memories and always take them with me, so to speak, and this does not feel very creative.

ELIAS: But you may be incorporating much more playfulness and less rigidness in allowing yourself to experiment and explore changing different experiences and creating different outcomes and creating different directions. You are not limited...

ANJULI: Let’s take two examples. One example would be what I recently did, exploring again my memory of my entire life with exploring more of my intent. I found another aspect of my intent with that, and then felt how in the now I am experiencing the past events and experiences differently. Although the situations themselves, the imageries, were the same, I experienced them differently from the memory of my now.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: This is one way to change the past and by this change the present, when I am viewing my life and although I may in that now create the same past, I experience it differently?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So my experiences I have in the now can influence the past?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I can hug my past self and then it experiences something that was challenging for my past self with my new knowledge of my present self, for example with what I now know of my intent.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: The other would be that I incorporate a completely different memory.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Am I allowed to remember what I like? (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Laughs) I may express to you, Myranda, you are allowed to do whatever you choose!

ANJULI: All right, Elias, because you know, after all I am so, so curious about memory. That is, in my Runi-Inmi book, a very important aspect, the memory and the not remembering and new remembering and all that.

ELIAS: This may be an avenue of generating quite an expression of playfulness, incorporating curiosity and inspiration.

ANJULI: Daryl and I had thought we could probably change our past and remember that I had visited her by teleporting to her new apartment in physical solidity. Are we allowed to change our past and remember that? We almost remember it!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes.

ANJULI: So it does not matter that we almost remember something, because after all when I think of my old memories, I also do not remember everything. (Elias chuckles) So we can choose the avenue of forgetting to remember?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing, yes.

ANJULI: Ja, because I know what I have forgotten. I have forgotten that you visited me already in physical solidity. (Elias laughs) It has for sure happened already and I just have forgotten! I am so fascinated by exploring that! (Laughs with Elias) I can do it like in my book, and use you as my memory? You remember it and I play that I have just forgotten, and after a while I will remember that new past.

ELIAS: Very well! (Chuckles)

ANJULI: That is possible?

ELIAS: Yes, this is possible.

ANJULI: That is lots of fun. With my old definition of a focus, I felt it was starting with the emergence day and then it was traveling in a line of linear time framework. I defined my focus as starting from the emergence day. But now I would not like to view it as an arrow on a line but like a sun. There is a field in the middle and lots of rays radiating from that. Is this field in the middle the now?

ELIAS: THAT is more accurate!

ANJULI: Ja, then I create my birth in the now – or I do not even have to feel being born, so to speak?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: That was in another session also, when I started to feel that I am sort of not experiencing myself as if I am being born. I am emerging in every now. I am being born in every now, new.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Ja, and Elias, I created this session being one day earlier because of a birthday.

ELIAS: And what have you presented to yourself in that imagery?

ANJULI: (Laughs) I must have been more than ready to connect with you, very eager to connect with you, and lots of trust to myself.

ELIAS: And also the emphasizing of the flexibility of time and what you create in association with what we have been discussing in relation to the past, and generating an emergence not necessarily in your arrow-line which always moves forward – but at times it does not. (Chuckles)

ANJULI: Oh ja, Elias, and right now there is the Star Trek Enterprise part on TV which is called “Past, Present and Future,” and is about Captain Picard going to the future and the past and the future and the past and all that. Oh, Elias, isn’t this just such a fun!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And in this, rather than generating an interaction with myself on the morrow, you have generated it in your future-past!

ANJULI: Yes. I was ready to have a session with you during the World Trade Center event two-year celebration, but I did not create that! I would not have minded some structure-falling imagery, but that imagery, the new one, is after all fun also.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Rather than creating an association with structures falling, you have chosen to be creating a playful imagery of emergences, which is also associated with your great snake. Ha ha!

ANJULI: I also had a wave dream, and Michael and I talked about the new wave of truth, because we feel it to be so powerful. Is it a very powerful one?

ELIAS: Yes, it is. This is also the reason that it may be very empowering with individuals if they are actually engaging it and moving with it.

ANJULI: We created a little magnetic mass event in a place in Germany not far away from where your group session had been. There were meeting all kinds of heads of all sorts of churches, who were doing a prayer together, all kinds of churches which were enemies in the past. Isn’t that great?

ELIAS: Therefore, you offer yourself imagery and an expression of allowance and inspiration and comfort.

ANJULI: We were thinking about what new mass events we could create, because after all, humanity, we like excitement, apparently.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Apparently!

ANJULI: So as we like excitement so very much, we could, for example, create seeing unfamiliar lights in the sky and things like that instead of earthquakes and World Trade Center events?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Or be globally visited by other-dimensionals?

ELIAS: Correct, although at times many individuals view that type of experience as somewhat frightening. Ha ha!

ANJULI: They would prefer the World Trade Center event! Ja, but that does not matter, they like to be frightened sometimes. I think sometimes we like this kind of scariness, don’t we? We could create another sort of scariness instead of earthquakes.

ELIAS: You are quite correct.

ANJULI: About absolutes, Elias, I am still exploring what is an absolute and what is our blueprint. For example, can the sky have another color?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: The sun also?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Can we, for example, sometimes create having three moons in the sky?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: The universe we view, with the stars and all that, is that also our perception and our truth, but it is not the blueprint that it has to look like that, or the laws about which star is how far away and how they look and the all the scientific stuff?

ELIAS: It may change. It is not an absolute, although you generate it as an absolute.

ANJULI: Yes, but it is not a must.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And our universe which we view, the entire universe is our dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Recently there was this question coming up. Within our dimension, we view to be stars. If there is life on those stars, this would mean that beings are living on those planets. Would this mean that they are belonging to our dimension, or would this mean that we start to allow to view other dimensions by translating them as living on other planets in our dimension, in our universe?

ELIAS: They would be a part of your dimension.

ANJULI: Ah. But with such a huge universe, there must be other civilizations on other planets.

ELIAS: Ah-ha! (Chuckles)

ANJULI: (Laughs) In our dimension? So then we could have focuses there, Elias.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: When you give us focus numbers, do you mean focus numbers on Earth and not within other civilizations which also belong to our dimension?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Oh, Elias, now I have not just another blink to explore!

ELIAS: (Laughs) But much more to explore!

ANJULI: These other civilizations, do we have initiating and final focuses there also? Or are they leaving this dimension with my final focus, with me leaving?

ELIAS: They incorporate the same initiating and final focus.

ANJULI: I am sure I have somewhere focuses there. This means they are my focuses in these other civilizations in our dimension, and I am their final focus and Marie Waldner is their initiating focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Ah, interesting. In the other blinks, do they have their own final and initiating focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: I thought so. Ja, and are the other blinks created by the same Dream Walkers, or do they have other Dream Walkers?

ELIAS: Other.

ANJULI: Other?! This other future blink, so does my initiating focus there have the name Ardennus?

ELIAS: Within which blink?

ANJULI: The next one, in which I have 2108 focuses.

ELIAS: I am aware. Yes.

ANJULI: And Narrazenus is the final focus of that blink?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Then probably the names which I have in my book around the universe which I called Anvee, with the characters Narrazenus and Ardennus and all the others, are the names I have in there probably names of my focuses from that next blink?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Probably the imageries in my book are also about this other blink?

ELIAS: Some of, yes.

ANJULI: I need to create another session with you! Oh, Elias!

ELIAS: I incorporate no doubt that you will, my friend! Ha ha!

ANJULI: (Laughs) Yes, I have to talk about blinks, the past and the next one, and how they look like, and... Oh, the imageries about beings half horses and half human, is that the past blink?

ELIAS: No, that is another dimension.

ANJULI: Oh, that is the folklore dimension?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And in the past blink we do not have this mixture of human and animal? The past blink which did not work, I thought that was around these half human and half animals.

ELIAS: No, but the form was different, more resembling of creatures, but not half and half.

ANJULI: You must have loved that blink a lot, Elias. (Elias laughs) Mary laughed so much about your many focuses in the blink which did not work.

ELIAS: But an interesting experiment! Ha ha!

ANJULI: Yes, I agree. (Laughs) Even I had more focuses in the past blink than in the blink here. When we say we are babe essences or old essences, we talk mainly about this blink. In the next blink I have 2108 focuses, which is more than in this blink in which I have 91. But when I take all focuses in all blinks and in all civilizations which are on other planets in this dimension, am I still a babe essence in this dimension?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: Compared with the focuses others have, for example? You are for sure an old essence in the entire dimension, taking all blinks and everything. You are an old essence, right?

ELIAS: (Laughs) In a manner of speaking, yes. Ha ha!

ANJULI: I am in this civilization of this blink a babe essence, but not necessarily in all the other blinks. If I take all of my focuses in the entirety of this dimension, what am I then? Am I very interested in this dimension or not? I think I am very interested.

ELIAS: Yes, you are.

ANJULI: Then I chose for this civilization of this blink to feel like an alien due to my few focuses, because this creates lots of curiosity for me when I feel like that in this blink. (Elias laughs) That’s why I chose to have few focuses on Earth in this blink?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: Elias, this is all so exciting!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And this is also the reason that you choose to allow an interaction with other-dimensional focuses, for that reinforces what you have created yourself in THIS focus.

ANJULI: Do the other blinks also have shifts?

ELIAS: No.

ANJULI: Only this blink has a Shift?

ELIAS: Yes. That is chosen for your experiences in this reality.

ANJULI: Oh, very interesting, Elias. I am so interested in tones to connect with focuses. My fluid focus does not have a name, but could his tone be translated as Mlouee?

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: And the tone of my crystal focus in the crystal dimension is Remin? (Pause)

ELIAS: Change the ending N to R, and that would be more accurate as a translation.

ANJULI: In the dimension with the three cities, can the tone of your focus there be translated as Muin? (Pause)

ELIAS: Muand.

ANJULI: Nice name, Elias! (Elias laughs) And the tone of my focus who is with yours, can that be translated as Rimi?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And Elias, when we had my very, very first session, I asked you about my dream about my Mayan twin focuses, about the male twin which disengaged. At that time I did not know that this was my Mayan focus, but this was one of the first questions I talked with you about, that disengagement, and after all you killed me in that focus! (Elias chuckles) Isn’t this interesting? I mean, I did not know that objectively at that time, but I chose to start my conversation of my first session with you with that. I thought that is interesting because that killing was in my throat center.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: It could be an imagery about sometimes feeling with you some blockages around language, but actually I feel that to be sort of a communication connection of me and you through my energy center.

ELIAS: Yes.

ANJULI: So that is why I chose to start... (Laughs) Interesting, Elias!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! That is the greatest concentration of energy expressed in association with the energy exchange also, being projected through that particular energy center within Michael’s physical body.

ANJULI: Elias, it must be so interesting to have sessions and, for example, me talking in a session about the android Data and not yet knowing that the actor who plays Data is a focus of Eliantan. It must be so interesting to view what impressions we have without fully objectively knowing why we are talking about something, and then later we do.

ELIAS: It is, figuratively speaking, an observation of a puzzle coming together, viewing all of the pieces but the pieces putting themselves together, viewing the entire theme that is being created with the puzzle but the pieces themselves are not fully aware of how they each fit together. Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: Because you view the whole picture, all of the sessions and all of me and all that. So that is for you a view of the whole picture.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Oh, it must be interesting. (Elias laughs) Fortunately I have my energy mix with you, and I am dispersed and have a counterpart action with you, so I get all of that, fortunately.

We have five more minutes. Well, Elias I don’t ask you about the essence tones of the grand twins of KC/Nanaiis, or I ask you, that depends... Well, that depends on something. That depends on what is more joy for Nanaiis, how I do that. We have an impression which is not an impression, it is almost more a desire, and I thought I just mention her newborn grand twins and then I see what you say! (Laughs) What am I choosing, Elias?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! To allow her to be expressing.

ANJULI: Okay. (Laughs) Thanks for doing this decision for me. Yes, we felt your answer would be like that. Well, I have a letter of my mother. Is Michael still all right, can we do that?

ELIAS: Yes.

(Deleted by request)

ANJULI: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. Offer to her my lovingness and my affection in my greetings.

ANJULI: I will do that.

ELIAS: Very well. And as always, I continue to express my energy with you in playfulness, and encourage you...

ANJULI: Yes, yes, yes. Yes, I just have forgotten that I have translated you already and I will remember all the interesting things we did.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well!

ANJULI: Knowing that I did it already makes it just so easy, because you come again.

ELIAS: Ha ha! And so I do. (Both laugh)

ANJULI: I will allow myself to imagine what I like; I am allowed that.

ELIAS: Yes, you are.

ANJULI: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. In tremendous dearness, to you, Myranda...

ANJULI: I love you.

ELIAS: ...I offer you much lovingness, au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 8:03 AM.


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