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Sunday, November 23, 2003

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ďI Donít Really Feel Motivated to Exist, EliasĒ

ďDeath Is Not an End PointĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Mike (Mikah).

Elias arrives at 7:52 AM. (Arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

MIKE: Good morning, Elias. How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

MIKE: Hanging in there.

ELIAS: As always! (Laughs)

MIKE: I donít really have a specific direction to go into, other than Iím in a rut. I donít really know whatís going on with me, so I was kind of hoping you could shed some light on that for me.

ELIAS: What is your assessment of your situation?

MIKE: My assessment? My assessment is that I am a complete freak and the whole world is working against me. Iím not quite sure why I still exist at this point, because Iím not quite sure what my value fulfillment is. I just donít feel like Iím alive. I feel like Iím so irritated in my own skin that I canít even sleep. I donít want to be awake; I donít want to be asleep; I donít want to be doing anything. I just want to not exist, but yet I still exist. So thatís my assessment, if you choose to call it that.

ELIAS: Ah! Generating quite a direction of victim!

MIKE: (Laughs) Maybe.

ELIAS: Victim of yourself and of other individuals and societies and what have you. (Chuckles)

MIKE: Yes. So how do I fix it?

ELIAS: And what do you view motivates your continuation?

MIKE: My continuation in feeling like that?

ELIAS: In existing.

MIKE: I donít know. I donít really feel motivated to exist, Elias. I donít really feel any motivation or anything. Itís like, I wake up and I know I have things I need to get done, but I really donít want to be doing anything. I donít really even want to wake up. Iíve sort of been self-medicating on various drugs just so I could go to sleep, like be asleep. I donít even want to remember my dreams at this point. Iím still conscious in my dreams. (A few inaudible seconds, as Mikeís voice blinks in and out on the phone)

ELIAS: Interesting. And you are creating significant interference in your communication in this conversation with your equipment, which shall be affecting of your recording.

MIKE: Is this something Mary can fix?

ELIAS: This is an interference of YOUR equipment.

But let me express to you also, what is your motivation for not disengaging?

MIKE: Well, I mean I sort of already Ė I want to say this without judging myself Ė I sort of already have an idea. I sort of am motivated to disengage, Elias, quite honestly, and Iíve already obtained a method. Really at this point Iím concerned that I would fuck up like I did the last time. As youíre aware, Iíve tried this before and it didnít work, and the results afterwards were not very pleasant. So itís more of a fear as to why I donít do it, because it seems like everything I do Iím fucking up at. So if I even try, would I even succeed at it, you know?

ELIAS: Ah! Generating, other than victim, also becoming an accomplished failure. Ha ha ha ha!

MIKE: Yes. (Laughs)

ELIAS: And in this, have you genuinely evaluated clearly what you want?

MIKE: Well, hereís my thinking in terms of what I want.

ELIAS: Very well.

MIKE: What I want doesnít seem to be obtainable to me. Iím not talking about just in terms of material things or whatever; Iím talking in terms of what I can do, what I can apply myself to.

In terms of school, what Iím doing at school, I continually surprise myself by the fact that I could be stoned half the year and still get Aís and Bís. I always freak out in the middle of the semester that Iím not gonna be able to ... Iím gonna fail, you know? But I do get a good grade. However, I donít see that as being an accomplishment, because after the fact I donít really remember what it was that I studied. I donít really know what it was, and if someone were to ask me what I learned, I would be able only to give very scant details or whatever.

Iím bringing this up because school is a big part of my life right now. So just the idea that Iím incapable of applying myself to learning and doing what it is that I want to be doing, Iím just not able to carry that out. Does that make sense?

ELIAS: I am understanding. But what is it that you actually want? Obviously you want to be producing certain grades.

MIKE: Right.


MIKE: Because at this point in my life, I really donít have any other outlet to draw my self-worth from. So school is it, because itís really the only thing going on in my life right now. If I canít even get good grades in school, then whatís the point in me even being here? Iím putting myself in debt every semester Iím here, because itís going on my credit, I have to take out loans, and this and this and that. Itís like if Iím going to be doing that, then for myself I have to be getting good grades. Otherwise to me thereíd be no point in being there.

But at the same time Iím also there to learn, and though I am learning, for some reason Iím just not able to remember a lot of the stuff that Iím learning. I canít motivate myself to study hard. I canít motivate myself to read, to actually be in the process of learning.

ELIAS: I am understanding. I am inquiring specifically, for in the inquiries that I offer to you, in your responses you are offering yourself information. Are you listening to the information that you are offering yourself?

MIKE: Iím listening to what Iím saying, and I guess Iím able to draw some kind of answers from it. But my issue is, or what I think my issue is, is that even if I sit here and say, ďI donít want to be at school right now; this is not what I want to be doing,Ē I donít know what I would rather be doing instead. So for me to be not doing anything at all, to be sitting around thinking about something else to do, is just complete torture. I think I would just hurl myself off a bridge if I had to do that.

ELIAS: Therefore you incorporate this path, so to speak, of forcing your energy in an obvious direction that you are not motivated in and that you do not prefer, and you do not generate interest other than generating certain grades as a measure of your value.

MIKE: Yeah. I mean, there is some interest in what Iím studying. But I guess I would like to already know what it is Iím learning. I donít want to take the time to sit down and read and do all that. I just want to know. Do you know what Iím saying?


MIKE: Itís like, I want to know psychology, I want to study Italian and get good at these classes that Iím taking, but Iím just not motivated to invest the time into actually doing it. Itís the process, I think, that Iím not motivated to do. What the end of it is, like actually being able to understand these concepts and stuff that Iím supposed to be learning, Iím actually motivated to know and understand, but itís the process Iím just not interested in.

ELIAS: Which is significant, for this is an analogy for all of exploration within your focus, or in your terms, your very existence.

It is the process that is the subject, not the outcome. You have moved yourself into a position of concentration in anticipation of outcomes rather than allowing yourself to participate and appreciate the process, and the process is the point, for that is what you are doing throughout the entirety of your focus. It all concerns the process, the process of exploration. The outcome is not the point. For in actuality, there is never an actual outcome, for it is continuously changing as you continuously engage more of the process.

In this, what you are generating is a concentration upon what you assess to be unattainable, and in this, somewhat you are correct, for you are generating a perception concerning end points in many different directions, generating a definition of success as being the end points Ė but there are no end points.

In this, you are generating this perception in relation to every direction within your focus in this time framework, whether it be continuation in this focus or whether it be to not continue in this focus. In either direction your concentration continues to be directed to the end points.

MIKE: Let me ask you this, Elias, because this is where I get into conflict. We touched on this before. What makes me so different from everybody else who looks at just the end points and actually is able to get to that point? I mean, Iím looking at the end points, and Iím concerning myself with the end points and the success and the outcome. Why am I creating conflict because of that, when other people who might be doing the same thing actually get what theyíre looking to get?

ELIAS: I am understanding. The difference is the interaction and action of the process. Other individuals may, in your terms, set for themselves goals, so to speak, different accomplishments that they wish to be generating, and those goals or accomplishments, in their beliefs and in their actions and in their manner of defining, may require in their action different processes to achieve those accomplishments. The individuals generate a different perception from yourself, for they incorporate an acceptance of the process and allow themselves to appreciate the process and accomplish the goal as the reward, so to speak, but they do not necessarily view the accomplishment to be the end point. They do not necessarily view the actual outcome or accomplishment to be the finality.

You have generated a perception in which each accomplishment, regardless of what direction you are moving in, is an actual end point, not a beginning point. Individuals that generate a successfulness in their process in any particular direction are actually not viewing the outcome as an end point, but as a beginning point.

In this, allow yourself to evaluate with disengaging as an example, for it may be incorporated as an example in relation to other directions and other actions Ė in relationships, in school, in travel. In many different directions this may also be applied in expressing the same type of perception.

You contemplate the action of disengaging, and your assessment of that action is that it will generate an end point. It will be the finish line, and therefore all shall be entirely different. But in this, there is an uncertainty, for in that end point you do not incorporate the surety that it is not actually a genuine end point and that there is nothing beyond it.

But even if you consider the possibility Ė and I am speaking quite individually to you Ė that perhaps there is existence beyond that end point, it is unfathomable to you, and therefore the end point of death in your perception generates an entirely different type of existence. Therefore, in your assessment, it is a genuine end point; it is not a beginning point.

MIKE: Right. And so thatís essentially why I donít disengage?

ELIAS: There are elements of fear; there are elements of doubt in your ability, which is also expressed in every other direction that you incorporate within your focus, not merely concerning death. You doubt your ability to be accomplishing successfully in any direction, but the success in any direction continues to be perceived as that end point. There is quite a different energy, which is expressed in generating the perception of the successfulness creating the beginning point rather than the end point.

What is the point and what generates motivation if you are merely moving towards an end point?

MIKE: I guess I can understand that one.

ELIAS: There would be no motivation within consciousness, period, were the movement to be striving towards an end point of any type. For what would be the purpose of exploration if there is an end point?

MIKE: Let me ask you this, then. So maybe part of why I look at these different directions as end points is maybe because I donít really have, or so I donít think, a direction that Iím sure enough that I want to continue along in. Not that I want something to accomplish and thatís the end point and I want to get there and thatís it, but I donít really ... say, like psychology. Iím studying psychology. I donít want to be a psychologist; I just want to understand the science of psychology. But beyond that point, I donít really know what it is I want to do with that degree or once I graduate or... Itís nothing new. Itís what Iíve been talking with you about since Iíve been talking with you.

So itís like I donít really know how not to look at these things as an end point, because to me there is nothing beyond these things. I donít really have anything to look forward to. (Pause) Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes. And what do you look forward to in death?

MIKE: Honestly, when I think about disengaging... I mean, this session was originally supposed to be the ďIím going to ask you why I think youíre so full of shitĒ session (Elias laughs loudly), and so now Iím finding myself needing to hear some answers and you do tend to give me answers. But with that perception of thinking that youíre full of shit and thinking Ė really not just you, but pretty much any organized religion, any philosophy Ė it just becomes overwhelming to me, like which one has the quote/unquote right answer of what really happens after death.

From your model, from how youíve presented what occurs and what Seth presented as to what occurs, that makes me feel okay inside. So when I think about it in those terms, I want to disengage because I want a different type of reality. Not that I think I could be accomplishing any better or anything like that, itís just that I feel like Iím in a box in this physical world and the only time I feel okay is when Iím not awake. Even when Iím consciously aware that Iím dreaming or Iím just having a memory of a dream or in my fantasies, those are really the only times that I feel okay. While Iím awake and conscious and Iím dealing in this realm, I just donít like it; it just makes me want to crawl out of my skin. So part of my thing when I think of disengaging is I want more options. I want a different kind of reality to deal with, to interact with.

ELIAS: But that is a process also.

MIKE: Right, but itís something new. I guess thatís also part of it, that this is so old to me here. Itís just like Iím doing the same thing over and over again. I want it to be gone. I want to try something different. If that means Iím going to be in conflict and pretty much going through the same process or a process but in a new environment, I donít mind that. I really just want a change.

ELIAS: Ah, but obviously you have not genuinely listened to my explanations of disengagement, for I may express to you a reiteration. That also is a process, and that is dependent upon YOU in the same manner that it is dependent upon you now, how you direct that. I have expressed, individuals may disengage but many times individuals as they disengage do not necessarily generate the action of transition immediately. Time in...

MIKE: Does this apply to me? Like if I were to drop dead right now, are you saying that I would not engage transition immediately?

ELIAS: I may express to you an identification of potentials. I may not express to you an absolute as a prediction, for that negates choice. But I may express to you potentials and what you may term to be likelihoods, what is more probable in association with your energy, your direction, your beliefs.

In this, the potential would be were you to disengage this day now, you would not be generating transition immediately. You would continue to be generating an objective awareness and creating an actual physical world, so to speak, which is familiar to you. Eventually, it would begin to become more and more obvious to you that there are differences, and eventually it would become obvious objectively to you that you are creating everything in that world and that you are creating all of the other individuals without their participation and that you are manipulating all of the imagery, for eventually you will discontinue surprising yourself. (Mike laughs)

Other individuals project energy to you, and generally speaking, as I have expressed previously, you do not reconfigure their energy. Therefore, what you project through your perception of the other individual and what they are expressing is almost precisely the same as what they are actually projecting. Therefore, other individuals may express in manners that are surprising to you, for they are unexpected.

But if you are not actually engaging the energy of other individuals, if you are generating all of the imagery yourself and incorporate no input from any other individual, you shall begin to not surprise yourself. For a time you may continue to surprise yourself, but eventually you do not and you recognize that there is no input. In that recognition you begin to understand that you are generating all of this imagery, which begins to indicate to you that you are not actually participating in this physical reality any longer. Therefore, you may assess that you are dead. (Mike laughs)

Now; at that point, many times individuals may choose to continue to express an objective awareness for a limited time framework. For in that recognition that they are actually creating all of the imagery that they are presenting to themselves, they also realize that they incorporate the ability to manipulate any action in their reality, and at times individuals choose to be playing with that ability and subsequently moving into transition. But the point...

(The phone disconnects at 8:29 AM. Mike calls back, and after a brief conversation with Mary, Elias returns.)

8:34 AM, 11 seconds

ELIAS: Continuing! (Chuckles)

MIKE: Yes!

ELIAS: Obviously you are not quite receptive to what I am expressing to you!

MIKE: Iím still listening, though!

ELIAS: (Laughing) Very well! I shall continue.

In this, recognize that what you may be generating once you die may be quite similar to what you are generating now, and it may incorporate what you perceive to be a time framework before you realize that you are not engaging any other energies.

Let me also express to you, time nonphysically is different from time physically. As an example, in your reality you configure time in a specific manner, in which you perceive it to pass in a linear fashion. Minutes are minutes, hours are hours, days are days, years are years. Nonphysically, incorporating an objective awareness, it appears to you to move quite similarly, for this is what you are accustomed to. But in actuality, were you to step outside of what you were creating and view the physical reality and its movement of time, and the nonphysical reality and the objective incorporation of time, in physical reality six months may pass, so to speak, and to your perception it may be six minutes.

MIKE: See, that sounds like fun, Elias.

ELIAS: Ah, it may, in what you imagine. But six months in linear time may pass and you have merely moved into a moment in which you find yourself awake.

MIKE: I see.

ELIAS: Therefore, you shall not notice that six months has been incorporated within physical focus. But your incorporation of time, although it is configured differently, so to speak, that it appears in your assessment to move faster in nonphysical, were it to be associated with the physical incorporation of time, you may be engaging this state of objective awareness within the nonphysical expression but generating quite physical imagery for a time framework of perhaps 10 or 20 years.

MIKE: Whoa! Wow! (Elias chuckles) But the experience in my perception from that point would only be that of what, a few hours, weeks?


MIKE: I would actually experience...

ELIAS: Your experience would be of that incorporation of time. It may not necessarily BE that amount of time. This is what I am expressing to you. It may actually be a configuration of actual time of merely a year, but your perception of it shall be of ten or twenty years, for you continue to generate an objective perception, an objective awareness.

The point of transition is not merely to shed beliefs associated with any particular physical dimension, but also to shed the objective awareness, for it is unnecessary. Objective awareness is generated only in association with physical dimensions, with physical realities. Perception is a tool of the objective awareness; therefore it also is not necessary. In nonphysical areas of consciousness there is no perception. It is associated merely with physical realities. But that is a strong configuration of energy and is not immediately shed merely that you choose to disengage. That is what I am expressing to you. That is also a process that generates a beginning.

MIKE: Okay, let me ask you this, Elias. What is it exactly that ... what is my value fulfillment in this focus? What is it that is keeping me existing? Because according to what Iíve read, from what youíve said and from what youíve told me, when your value fulfillment is fulfilled or is no longer being fulfilled, you disengage and you move on. So obviously thereís something that Iím continuing to fulfill. So what is it, and how do I make it a more pleasant experience?

ELIAS: Ah. Now; these are two very different directions, for your automatic association with value and fulfillment is that it should be positive or pleasant, and as I have expressed previously, value is not always expressed in comfort. The automatic association is that it is. But as I have addressed to groups of individuals and inquired, ďWhat do you value?Ē generally speaking the response from most individuals shall be some expression of comfort or joyfulness or happiness or some positive expression. And I may express to you as I have to other individuals that is not true.

You value many expressions AND you value uncomfortable expressions. If you did not value them, you would not create them. You do not create what you do not value. Value is not always associated with positive, and this is associated with beliefs, beliefs that what is worth valuing is also worth struggling or sacrifice or discomfort or waiting. There are many expressions within your reality that are valued and are not necessarily comfortable.

MIKE: So what is it that my focus values? I wish I could answer. Youíre going to say, ďYou tell me,Ē and Iím gonna say right now that I really have no clue, because I really donít know what it is that I value. I understand the things, the negative and the positive experience, and that Iím automatically associating value with positive. In retrospect I guess I can see some of these negative experiences that Iíve had, and I have, Iíve looked back on them with value, and oh my god, Iíve valued that!

But Iím just trying to find a thread of what is the theme of my value fulfillment. What kind of experiences am I here to generate, to value?

ELIAS: You value puzzles.

MIKE: Me? I value puzzles?


MIKE: I see. Okay. All right... (Laughs)

ELIAS: You value any direction of exploration if it is a puzzle. If it does not incorporate a simplistic answer, if it incorporates a maze, if it incorporates a challenge to discover the puzzle pieces, you value that exploration regardless of whether it is comfortable or it is not comfortable.

And you generate different puzzle pieces to create the maze or the puzzle. It is too simple to be merely incorporating an action such as disengaging. (Mike laughs) Therefore, it is more interesting if it becomes a puzzle. If you incorporate fear and if you incorporate hesitancy, you challenge yourself to become more creative and generate the maze. It is not a matter of moving from point A to point B; it is a matter of moving to point B via X and R and T and W.

MIKE: (Laughs) I guess this is really the first time Iíve heard you or anyone ask this and you give an answer with this kind of detail like this. Is this like something... I mean, my conception of reality and why people, why essences, come here is kind of to figure out a puzzle in some respect, so Iím wondering how common or uncommon this value fulfillment of mine is.

ELIAS: That is not necessarily...

MIKE: I guess Iím asking, am I like standard issue?

ELIAS: That would be a challenging question to be answering, for you are unique, and the manner in which you choose to be generating your exploration is unique to you. That is not to say that there may not be other individuals that choose similar directions and similar expressions and experiences, but the manner in which you generate is individually unique to you.

Therefore, the response to the question is both Ė yes, this is unique to you, but also no, it may not necessarily be uncommon as a general direction. But it is not necessarily common, either.

MIKE: Now I already prepped myself with this shift thing and this truth wave and all this. I donít want a re-iteration of that, per se, but Iíve been becoming more and more aware, or not even aware but Iíve just been creating more and more of a stronger perception of how I really donít fit in into any one group like everybody around me does, and in reflection this is getting stronger and stronger.

This really isnít new, when I look back. Since about the age of ten Iíve pretty much been in situations where I canít really relate to too many other people because of my experiences. So when I try to interact with most people, itís like I donít mind interacting with them and I guess some part of me can relate with them, but I just donít feel like they can relate to me.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

MIKE: So Iím wondering ... okay, what Iím going to say, I know thereís judgment behind it, but I hope youíre going to overlook that. I guess my question is what is my malfunction?

ELIAS: It is what we have been identifying, your attraction to puzzles and your exploration with that. In that, what is generated is a type of perception in which you view yourself not merely to be different but that you view yourself to be more complicated than other individuals, and in a manner of speaking you are, for this is what you do. You complicate rather than simplify, which is not bad; it is merely a choice of a direction. This generates your puzzles, which generates your value fulfillment. But at times it also generates a perception within you that other individuals are more simple.

MIKE: (Laughs) Yeah, I guess thatís true!

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Which also generates somewhat of a judgment that in their simplicity they are not as deep as yourself.

MIKE: (Laughs) Thatís true, though, isnít it?

ELIAS: HA HA HA HA! They may not be necessarily as complicated as you are and that may not necessarily be bad, either! (Both laugh) But there is difference, which as you are aware is a very strong expression that is being addressed to in this wave of truths.

MIKE: So what about these... Iíve talked with you on different occasions and each time Iíve talked with you about it, Iíve had a different, I guess, trigger for it, so now I really canít identify what the trigger for this physical symptom is. But itís pretty much the same thing that Iíve been experiencing, what Iíve talked with you about before with the headaches, the dizziness. I think the last time I talked with you about this it was sugar being my trigger, and I would start to blank out a little bit.

Lately for the last few months Iíve had these waves of... I canít even begin to describe what itís like. Itís not a dizziness and itís not a discombobulation. Itís more like I feel like my head is in a vice. Sometimes it hurts and sometimes it doesnít. But it just feels like thereís so much pressure in my head that I canít really think, I canít focus. I canít do very much when Iím in that state. My whole body just starts to shut down at that point. I canít work out; I canít do anything. Itís like I just want to sit and stare at the wall. It happens every day, and I cannot seem to pinpoint what is triggering it.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) What is triggering it is what we have been discussing throughout this interaction. It is not one particular action; it is the general movement.

This, once again as a puzzle, incorporates a complication in which you allow yourself to stop and you offer yourself a viable excuse to not continue in whatever action you should be engaging that you do not want to be engaging, and there may be no expectation of other individuals for you to be engaging what you SHOULD be engaging, for this is an understandable excuse.

MIKE: Right. So with this exercise that you gave me for the summer when I was having physical body symptoms, I think it was to focus on lavender and just quiet yourself or something like that. Would something like that be able to dissipate the effects? Because it really is an uncomfortable experience.

ELIAS: Yes, and once you relax yourself to a point, allow yourself to engage fantasy.

MIKE: Fantasy?

ELIAS: Yes, or what you term to be fantasy.

Allow yourself to re-experience different incorporations of your adventures in other countries, for this provides a distraction, and in that distraction you are generating an incorporation of energy in a different manner. You are allowing yourself to be acknowledging and validating, rather than moving into an expression of disappointment. Therefore you interrupt the flow of energy, which is moving in a familiar manner and moving into an expression of disappointment. In this, you reconfigure the energy and generate a validation and allow yourself a moment of appreciation, which you offer yourself precious little of...

MIKE: Yes, I am aware.

ELIAS: ...and which may be quite beneficial to practice.

MIKE: Iím running out of time, so I have two questions.

One Ė I think it was Ben that I asked to ask for me Ė but last time I spoke with you I talked about this essence that I could or not consider to be my twin. It would be translated in terms of the type of relationship. When I asked about it, you said yes, that this person was this twin that I was asking about before. Her name is Becca.


MIKE: Then I asked him to ask you how many focuses we shared, and you said, ďWhat is your impression?Ē I guess my impression would be 22.

ELIAS: More.

MIKE: Fifty-two?

ELIAS: Three.

MIKE: Fifty-three?


MIKE: My last question Ė you always say no to this, and Iím hoping you will not keep that to an absolute. (Elias laughs) Because Iíve been in this state of ... you know, maybe itís beneficial that Iím not thinking about these other focuses, and this and this and that, that I have had some kind of interest in. I feel underlyingly another part of me wanting to come out and say something, to tell me a story Ė not tell me a story, but like tell me a piece of information. My impression would be that thereís another focus that Iím interacting with and exchanging energy with.

So I guess what my question is to you is (inaudible as phone cuts out) ...and I canít get a picture of him, but I think this person is a male. Iím wondering if you will give me details.

ELIAS: Of this other focus?

MIKE: Yes.

ELIAS: This is a future focus. What type of details are you seeking?

MIKE: I feel like this energy that Iíve felt ... because Iíve been trying to push out of my head, like other focuses do not exist, there is only me, this and this and that. So from that mindset, I feel as though thereís a part of me in this focus trying to be like a big brother or something, and that thereís some kind of advice thatís trying to be given to me and Iím not hearing it. Iím under the impression that this other focus is trying to offer me a piece of advice from his own experience. I guess thatís really the detail that I wanted.

ELIAS: Ah. (Pause) Very well. I may express to you, in a manner of speaking the other focus is you; therefore it may be viewed as another aspect of you here, now.

I may also express to you, what you are attempting to express to you is to be Ė ah! Ė allowing yourself to incorporate a different type of distraction. What you are attempting to express to yourself is an identification that the types of distractions that you are incorporating are no longer distractions, for they are too familiar, and therefore it may be helpful for you to incorporate different types of distractions.

MIKE: Iím just curious. This individual is post-shift?


MIKE: Is this a focus that Iíve already asked you about, like gotten a name and year and stuff for?


MIKE: That Iím not aware of?


MIKE: No, Iím not aware of it?

ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: Would he happen to be in the 2200s? The year 2200-something?

ELIAS: Late, yes.

MIKE: 2208?

ELIAS: Late!

MIKE: 2800?

ELIAS: No, no, no! Late 2200s.

MIKE: I guess Iím just curious. Iíve always been curious about future focuses, but I guess this could just be another session. What does this individual do for a living? (Pause)

ELIAS: Experimentation with new designs for incorporating the manipulation of energy in innovative manners.

MIKE: Like technology?

ELIAS: A type of technology, but in the manipulation of energy in different configurations to be generating different types of manifestations in different manners.

MIKE: I see. Oh, thatís interesting.

One last question Ė Iíve already asked you how many famous focuses do I have, and itís always been that you give me some number and I go and look and I research, and I come to you and I give you my brilliant conclusion, and itís either yes or no. But I donít think Iíve ever really asked you or if itís ever been included in your answer, are any of my future focuses famous, like maybe president of some country?

ELIAS: Not a president of a country, no, for future societies do not incorporate the same configuration of government as do you now. But I may express to you, yes, you do incorporate a future focus that does incorporate significant notoriety.

MIKE: For what?

ELIAS: In conjunction with exploration of space.

MIKE: Oh, like an astronaut!

ELIAS: It would not be identified as an astronaut in that time framework. That would be quite antiquated in their assessment! Ha ha ha ha!

MIKE: (Laughs) Okay, Elias, thank you very much. Iím still out of time, so thank you very, very much!

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

MIKE: I promise you in my next session I will ask you about you being full of shit, and Iíll have plenty of questions along that line!

ELIAS: Very well! Ha ha ha! That may incorporate some fun!

MIKE: Good!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Very well, my friend. Regardless of how you view myself and whether you incorporate any belief in my existence or what I express to you, it matters not! (Laughs) For perhaps I may not believe in you, either!

MIKE: Touchť! (Laughing)

ELIAS: And regardless, you incorporate my affection. (Laughs)

I shall be anticipating our next meeting, my dear friend Ė although you may not necessarily be my dear friend, for you do not exist! (Mike laughs) And what is a friend, regardless? Ha ha!

Be PLAYFUL, Mikah! (Laughs) To you, as always in wondrous lovingness, au revoir.

MIKE: Ciao.

Elias departs at 9:13 AM.

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