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Wednesday, December 24, 2003

<  Session 1485 (Phone/Private)  >

ďIn Action and in Experience You Are Presenting Your TruthsĒ

ďMoving WITH the InformationĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael), Howard (Bosht) and Margot (Giselle).

(Arrival time is 19 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

HOWARD: Good morning! How are you?

ELIAS: As always, and yourself?

HOWARD: Well, Iím kind of fine, and Margot has some things to talk to you about, after a bit, regarding her situations which have been going on.

ELIAS: Very well.

HOWARD: Weíve had a difficult time, all of us, getting in touch with you, with Maryís phones and weddings and things of that nature. It must have been fun for you to watch the drama, Iím sure. (Elias laughs)

I have some questions which might have been used as fillers in Margotís session if she had time, but since things have turned around a bit like this, she needs a few moments to kind of wake up and get her thoughts together. So I donít mind asking you these questions, but it does cut into her session time. If you donít mind, I guess we should start.

ELIAS: Very well.

HOWARD: The first question I had is regarding the Mona Lisa. I believe that what we wanted to ask was, was Celliniís mother the Mona Lisa?


HOWARD: I thought so. It just felt right as I was reading the book. I thank you for that! Itís quite interesting!

My next question has to do with the place called Abiquiu in New Mexico. As you recall, I asked you about that place. At that time, I was thinking that I was there in another dimension. Atlantis comes to mind. But since that time, something has come up which triggered my interest again in it.

An actress, Shirley MacLaine, bought property there, and she was being interviewed on the radio and had said that she felt very at home, which was my feeling also and of course Margotís. We were both blown away by the place. She mentioned that Georgia OíKeefe, the painter, had done a lot of painting there. It occurred to me that this might not be a dimensional bleed-through but would in fact be a focus in this reality. So I guess I would like to find out if I have a connection with Shirley MacLaine essence-wise or Georgia OíKeefe. I will go ahead and volunteer that I think the connection would be by way of Georgia OíKeefe, and perhaps Shirley might be an OE. Is that correct?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you do incorporate other focuses with both of these individuals.

HOWARD: Yes, and that would be the extent of it?

ELIAS: This is what generates that familiarity, that knowing of the essences and the knowing of certain physical locations and the familiarity that that incorporates also.

HOWARD: Okay, thank you. I would like to also clarify that the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament is an insertion of a story from another dimension, and that it did not occur in this reality. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

HOWARD: And Iím the character Daniel?

ELIAS: Correct.

HOWARD: Finally, regarding this, I believe Iíve found my focus in Christís time. Iíve decided that what feels right is James, brother of John. Would that be correct?

ELIAS: Observing.

HOWARD: We had an interesting thing occur with White Buffalo Calf Woman as we were reading the session you had with Joanne and Marj. It was my impression that our friend Shell Walker was the person known as White Buffalo Calf Woman. Weíve been told that, so is that correct?


HOWARD: Also, every time I hear the musician Ricki Lee Jones, I immediately pick up Shellís energy. Am I correct in saying that Ricki Lee is a focus of Shell?

ELIAS: Observing.

HOWARD: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

HOWARD: A little clarification I would like to have regarding Owliís relationship with Lao Tzu: it was my feeling that he was a disciple and of course at times an assassin for Lao Tzu, but C9 suggested that I was actually the person who assassinated Lao Tzu, and I donít feel that. Could you clarify?

ELIAS: Your impression is correct.

HOWARD: Regarding Gradyís question about Ansel Adams, I have to admit that I was the person to suggest that to her, because I had a very distinct impression of a black and white photographer in the Ď20s and Ď30s, in fact, even so far as the camera equipment, like a Leica 35mm focal point. I couldnít think of the personís name who I was trying to associate this with. Although we both like Ansel Adams a great deal, both Grady and myself, I do know that Adams used a large format camera. I canít shake that, and I couldnít think of the personís name whose images were coming to my mind.

Then just out of the blue, a name like Nagy-Moly came to mind. That didnít sound right, so I did a quick search on the net and found a photographer that was in the Bauhaus at the same time that Kandinsky was there, the Hungarian Laszlo Moholy-Nagy. Could this be the person I am thinking of, and is he a focus of Grady?


HOWARD: Yes! Well, thatís great, Ďcause heís got a lot of work out there. Sheís going to enjoy that! Speaking of these focuses, Iím just wondering how many focuses of mine are still alive in this time frame?

ELIAS: And your impression?


ELIAS: I may express to you, all of them are continuing to be physically manifest.

HOWARD: And did you agree that it was six?


HOWARD: Would one of them be Tyler Matkovich?


HOWARD: Interesting! I had a great vision with him years ago. Could he be a focus of Van Gogh?


HOWARD: Same feeling! Now that weíre talking about number of focuses, etcetera, has anyone ever asked you how many essences have focuses in this time frame presently?

ELIAS: No, but that would also be difficult to be responding to, for it fluctuates.

HOWARD: I was trying to get it down to a number to demonstrate how small the world was actually in terms of population, but my guess is somewhere around 985 million.

ELIAS: As I have stated, it would be inaccurate to offer a number, for it is continuously fluctuating.

HOWARD: (Laughs) Okay! Moving on, then. Is the lady whose name is Estelle Meyers Ė sheís called the Dolphin Lady of Australia Ė is she a focus of Margotís?

ELIAS: Observing.

HOWARD: One of my hotter questions that has been on my list forever is regarding the individual Algernon at the time of the Moorish occupation of Spain. Was he the architect of Al-Hambra?


HOWARD: Now, the next thing is how would he have ended up in Scotland? I believe you said he was a magician, but my impression is that he was a healer, like a medicine man, a chemist, a teacher, and he also seems to have been in the slave business. Is this correct?


HOWARD: Wow! For a chapter in a book, Margot and I identified the Zulu Wars in South Africa as being very much the same as the Native American struggles that were occurring at essentially the same time. First of all, I guess the question is we obviously had focuses that were participating in this Zulu War. Were we on Zulu side Ė I wonít say exclusively; we seem to be on the Zulu side of this one. Is that correct?


HOWARD: This individual whoís known as Shaka Zulu, I know him! Iím not saying that heís me, but heís someone very close, again like Grady.

ELIAS: You are known to that individual.

HOWARD: Would this be a chapter in the Religious book?


HOWARD: I would like probably to wrap up my part, if Margot doesnít mind. One of the things that kept me kind of confused regarding truth is we have that duality, and change is a reality or truth. I understand change, but why must there be duality?

ELIAS: It is an element of the design of this particular physical reality.

HOWARD: Regarding the five objective senses, have we... I think I should read this, Ďcause itís better read than said. The five objective senses Ė touch, sight, hearing, taste and smell Ė this is the totality of our objective input. In our design of this objective reality, did we incorporate all of the objective senses available to choose from? Is there a physical reality that has six or more objective senses?

ELIAS: Another physical reality?



HOWARD: I felt that thereís got to be more objective input, but weíve only given ourselves five. And thatís enough, thatís plenty! (Howard and Elias both laugh) Is Benetal, B-E-N-E-T-A-L, a sub-family of Borledim?


HOWARD: That would be the one that our friends Paula and Eric are a part of, I would say.


HOWARD: Beliefs and belief systems are not a truth...

ELIAS: Correct.

HOWARD: ...but I do not think that nonphysical essence needs to believe that it exists in order to exist.

ELIAS: Correct.

HOWARD: Is there one belief that is universal and a truth?


HOWARD: Iíll be darned! My final question would be Margot came up with the name of Athenos, the architect focus of mine in the realm of Ramses II. Is this correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

HOWARD: If Margot doesnít mind, Ďcause Iím out (both laugh), she can take over. She has some marvelous things as well as anguish to share with you, and she does want to get some answers to questions. So thank you so much for giving me this moment...

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

HOWARD: ...and Iíll speak to you later. Bye!

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

MARGOT: Hi, Elias!

ELIAS: Greetings!

MARGOT: Greetings! (Laughs and Elias chuckles) Iím kind of impaired today. I had quite an episode yesterday that Iíve figured out some of the things of, and Iíll get into that in a little while. But I lost all of my notes Ė something else I did yesterday was crash the computer after Iíd gotten all my notes in there Ė so Iím going to have to kind of wing it today with the notes. I think the first thing I should do is to ask you a couple or three things that others want me to ask you for them.

In the focus that you and I share in Grasse, France, Marta/Bourjn, I believe... How do you say her essence name?

ELIAS: Bourjn (BORN).

MARGOT: You just donít say the ďJĒ?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Thatís good, Ďcause Iíve been very interactive with her of late, and I never really knew how to do her essence name. She feels that she was a daughter of ours in that focus that we share.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Sheís very good! Goodness, sheís good at this! And Paneus had a dream which makes him think he may be the entity we know as Thoth.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Good, heíll be so pleased about that! Miriam, sheís felt for a very long time that she is the Countess Marie Erdody that was such a friend of Beethoven.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Sheíll be pleased about that, too. Ornah feels that he was a friend of Oscar Wildeís, and that there was a short-lived but very intimate relationship between his focus and that of Oscarís.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: All of my friends are very sharp, arenít they? They got everything right. While Iím doing identifications here, Iíll ask you for a few impressions of mine that Iíve had. We watched the movie the other night, ďLawrence of Arabia,Ē again, and I felt very strongly connected to both T.E. Lawrence and the character that Omar Sharif played. I think he was a sheik, but I donít have his name; I lost that yesterday. Am I connected to either of those?

ELIAS: You do incorporate a focus in their company.

MARGOT: But not to either of them?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: So I just havenít found myself yet. (Elias laughs) But I know Iím there! (Laughs) Then something came up the other day that made me think that when I was a little girl in the 1930s and the child actress Shirley Temple was a little girl, that I was an observing essence of hers at that time and perhaps still, and a counterpart as well.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: So yes to both of those?


MARGOT: I all of a sudden realized that my parents took me to see all of her movies Ďcause they thought she was such a fine example for me, and I grew to hate that little kid! (Elias laughs) So anyway, I wanted to ask that.

You confirmed for me a while back that I was a black run-away slave from the south who became a spy for the Union Army. I think I may have found her name. Could I have been Mary Elizabeth Bowser?


MARGOT: Ah! I thought Iíd found her; thereís a book out about her now, and Iím thrilled to have been her. I was very interested.

The other night just as I was going to sleep, I heard myself being called either Arkanderal or Arkanderel, and I felt that that may be my name in the Folklore dimension.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Am I related then to Arkandin?


MARGOT: And what would the relationship be?

ELIAS: What you would associate as brothers.

MARGOT: I talked to Anjuli about this, and she thought that was the way that it would be. Also, back when Grady was so sure that I was the Greek goddess of the moon, it came to me that I have a focus by the name of Helen Moon. Would that be correct?


MARGOT: Was this in the early days of the LDS [Mormon] Church?


MARGOT: Yeah. Thank you! Moving right along here, do I have a relationship to the composer Felix Mendelssohn?


MARGOT: That little hint came to me from my focus of Massenet. Can you explain a little more about what the relationship is that I had to Mendelssohn?

ELIAS: A family member.

MARGOT: Okay, letís get down to business here. Iíve been having quite a difficult time, Elias. Iíve been watching myself, watching myself, and Iíve learned a lot about myself. So Iím doing well on some fronts, but it seems like itís getting to be a very finite thing for me to figure out what it is I do to kind of do myself in like I did yesterday. I was very ill yesterday afternoon, and Iím still quite weak today on account of it.

I know that a lot of the things that I do to myself have to do with discounting myself or feeling overly responsible, as you pointed out to me the last time. So it all seems to fall under the same general heading, and thereís a thought that runs through my mind at these times when Iím doing this, like yesterday. The thought was very strong, and that is that Iím trying to stop myself. I realized that these strange sinus attacks that I get are on those days and that same thought comes to me: ďIím trying to stop myself.Ē (Elias nods in agreement)

Youíve talked to me a great deal about it, and I donít understand why Iím so dense that I canít understand exactly what it is I do. Because yesterday Iíd had a wonderful day; I knew how I was going to accomplish everything that had to be done. I felt very organized. Then after feeling so accomplished and proud of myself for feeling so good and having such a good day and understanding everything in the whole world about me, then I really crashed and I was very ill.

Will you be patient just one more time with me and tell me just what it is I do at these times?

ELIAS: Very well. Let me express to you first of all, Giselle, remember, you are participating in this wave addressing to truth.

MARGOT: Yes, I have thought of that.

ELIAS: Now; what is actually occurring? What is meant in that statement that you are participating in this wave in consciousness addressing to truths? What are the actual actions that are incorporated, and what are the influences of that energy that are affecting and are being displayed, so to speak, in actual manifestations and actions? These are significant questions.

Now; the answer to these questions is significant also, for what is occurring in this wave is different from other waves. This is a very powerful wave, and in this wave the actions are different. What individuals are presenting to themselves is not merely an intellectual identification of beliefs that have become absolutes and therefore are generated into truths. That, as I have expressed to you, is an action that is occurring, but not in the manner in which you are familiar with addressing to beliefs. For in this wave, many actions are occurring. Many familiarities are being expressed in actions and behaviors and directions, and individuals, yourself also, are generating different responses to those familiar behaviors and expressions and directions.

Now; let me express to you Ė this is important Ė you view actions and movement to be becoming more challenging and more difficult, correct?


ELIAS: Now; the reason that it is becoming more difficult is that you are continuing to express the same familiar movements, even in association with this information. Rather than continuing to move with it, you continue to revert to previous information.

Understand that you are widening your awareness, and as you continue to widen your awareness, I offer you more information. Previously in our interactions of what you term to be years ago, the information that I offered to you was limited, for your capacity to understand and to assimilate was limited. As you continue to widen your awareness, you increase your capacity for objective understanding and assimilation, but you also expand your capacity for experience and for action. You expand your avenues of exploration, which are expressed in what you view to be your daily mundane activities. Therefore, the information that I offer to you, in your terms, is associated with actual, practical, daily actions.

Now; in this, as you continue to associate with the past, you limit to what you have widened now. Therefore, you respond to yourself Ė your impression of expressing to yourself to stop is quite accurate and quite correct Ė but you are unclear as to what you are expressing to yourself to stop doing.

In this, you are expressing communications to yourself to stop generating this alignment with familiar behaviors and to allow yourself the freedom of movement into new behaviors and new expressions which are more befitting the awareness that you incorporate now.

I may express to you an example in what you yourself have offered to myself in your explanation of what you generated yesterday. You incorporate actions throughout your day which are quite familiar to you. You incorporate what you view to be a sufficient expression of energy. You are generating a FALSE motivation Ė which I shall also explain subsequently Ė but in this motivation, what you generate is familiar actions Ė organization Ė which is somewhat comforting to you, for it is familiar. But it is FALSE, and therefore it is a FORCING of energy in familiar actions to generate that comfort. But it does not generate the comfort, and what occurs is you begin struggling with yourself, for you are confining yourself in familiar directions that you are beyond.

But this is significant, for this is the type of movement that occurs in association with this wave. For as you continue to generate these familiarities, what you are presenting to yourself in action are your truths. Not in concept, but in action and in experience you are presenting your truths.

But you are continuing to in a manner of speaking blindly express them. Not that they are bad and not that it is wrong to be expressing them, but the point is to be aware that they ARE your truths and to examine what influences they express and to examine what their motivations are, and whether they are actually preferences or whether they are automatic responses that limit you.

MARGOT: I do understand. I thought about this yesterday a lot, and the difficulty that it seemed to present to me to acquire another way of looking at things, it felt so difficult. It was like you would say to me today, you have to change your name. That just blew me away. But we have got this all on tape now, and Iím going to play it over and over again, and I think I can get it then. I do thank you, Elias, for getting so specific in this because I like doing things RIGHT, you know! (Laughs)

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Which is another element of these truths!

Now; let me also explain to you, the reason that I express to you that the motivation is false is that it is an automatic response. It is an association with these familiar actions and behaviors that may have expressed a comfort to you previously but do no longer. Therefore, you falsely motivate yourself in association with previous experiences and previous outcomes and results, so to speak.

MARGOT: Thatís true; thatís true. Whatís always worked for me doesnít work for me now.

ELIAS: I am quite understanding, and this is the point of moving WITH this information and this wave, and not continuing to revert to the previous experiences and methods and movements and directions and behaviors, for they are not efficient any longer for they do not match your awareness.

MARGOT: Yes. I will work with this, Elias, and the next time we talk, I canít promise to say that Iíve achieved everything, but Iím sure going to work on it, because I donít like being ill and I sure didnít like what happened yesterday. So Iím gonna work with this! Thank you very, very much!

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

MARGOT: Along this same line, you told me a session or two ago Ė and it made me very angry because I misunderstood Ė you told me that I had greatly lightened my energy. My misunderstanding was that I was thinking you said I had become very enlightened, and that made me angry because I know lots of folks that are much more enlightened than I am. Could you explain to me how I did lighten my energy to the point that I created imagery in myself of a big weight loss?

ELIAS: This also is associated with widening your awareness.

Now; in that, as you continue to widen your awareness...

MARGOT: Elias, can I get you to hold just a minute so we can turn the tape?

ELIAS: Yes. (Pause)

MARGOT: Thank you; done.

ELIAS: Very well. As you continue to widen your awareness, you generate different time frameworks in which you express a type of alteration of your energy. It becomes less dense, which allows you more flexibility of your movement.

Now; the challenge in that is that once you have altered your energy in this type of manner, the familiarities that incorporate actions of more denseness do not fit with your energy expression. Therefore, you generate uncomfortable manifestations.

MARGOT: So thatís kind of all of the same thing?


MARGOT: I thought it was, but I just didnít feel like I understood enough about it. Is the element of transition in this, too?


MARGOT: I have wondered... Well, Iíll get into this other thing I wanted to talk to you about, which will get me back into this.

There was the action that I experienced in regard to the Fresno group session, but I think it started a little bit before that, in which I went into this state of extreme anger, not only anger about things I observed around me but anger at myself. In talking to you in my head, these little talks that you and I have all the time, I felt that you told me that I had deepened my transition; Iíd fallen into a deeper level Ė which is not a good way to say that Ė because of the anger, and so what I felt was the action of transition at a newer level or deeper place in me. Did my anger do that?

ELIAS: I am understanding what you are expressing and you are correct, although it is not a cause and effect.

MARGOT: Okay, so I didnít do myself in? (Laughs)


MARGOT: Well, thatís good to know. When I was coming out of the anger and I was talking to you almost constantly about it, I went into a place one whole afternoon in which I really realized how easy the choice would be to disengage. I felt it in every fiber of my being. That was a blessing to me that came out of that, because I hadnít really believed you completely when you said that it was a choice. I realized that itís a very real choice...


MARGOT: ...and that all you have to do is decide and do it!


MARGOT: So I was very pleased to have gotten to that place on that. Also, in trying to explain where I was during that time to Howard, the only words I could find were Jadeís words, which Iíve never liked, but he talks a lot about the fact that Iíd lost a piece of my soul. Like I said, Iíve never liked these words, but saying that to Bosht really helped me explain the state that I was in. When Jade says that somebody will lose a piece of their soul, can you put that in your words, since I donít like those words at all, or do you understand what Iím saying?

ELIAS: I am understanding. (Pause, then slowly) I may express what the individual is attempting to identify and is expressing through the lens of his beliefs is the recognition of certain elements of energy and of awarenesses that move away, so to speak, figuratively speaking, from the objective expression of the focus of attention.

Now; that may occur with some individuals engaging transition, dependent upon the manner in which they engage the action of transition and the direction that they choose to move in in association with it. If the individual is engaging this action in certain directions, they can and many times do move some elements of their energy and their attention, their awareness, from the one particular focus and move it to other aspects of themselves as essence. It may be moved to other focuses; it may be moved to other areas of consciousness of the essence Ė not the entirety of the attention, but varying degrees. This is evidenced in the behavior and the expressions of the individuals.

Those individuals that you identify as incorporating dis-ease that you classify as senility, they have moved their attention in a manner of speaking away from that present focus of attention, and they allow a flexibility of the attention to move into different directions and different areas, holding a portion of their attention in their focus to maintain the focus in its manifestation, but not entirely.

MARGOT: I understand; I understand that completely. That really helps. Now I have other words to use for that sense that I had at that time.

ELIAS: Yes, and you do incorporate this action also.

MARGOT: I know! (Laughs) I incorporate so many actions! (Elias chuckles)

Thereís one other thing I want to ask you about. The anger I felt began when, as I told you that we were going to do, we went up into southwestern Utah to the place called Mountain Meadows where a massacre occurred. You confirmed that Howard and I had both taken part in that. When we got to that place on that day, I was very deeply moved; I donít even have words to say. I wasnít crying or anything like that, I was just deeply moved by viewing the meadow in which that all took place. I kind of thought that I got some bleed-through at that place from maybe the focus that I had there and that that focus of mine was very, very angry about what took place on that afternoon. Could that be true that I got a little bleed-through there?


MARGOT: I had felt Ė I donít know if that is so or not Ė that my identity in that focus was as a son of the leader of the Fancher Party, who was from Arkansas, and that my name was Matt Fancher. Is that so?


MARGOT: He was a very angry young man. I felt thatís where the anger began that I carried over.

I had been looking closely at everyoneís alignments, everyone that I know, and how that alignment works into the way they think and act. That was the next thing that got to me, because I became very annoyed at the Fresno session at what I observed as far as alignments of everybody. This was troubling to me, because I was not making comparisons between my alignment and alignments of others; Iíve never ever, ever, ever had a thought of thinking that my alignment is better or anything like that. But it was just that I was suddenly seeing the way these things play out, and somehow it was making me very, very angry. I donít really need for you to respond to that, except that it certainly created a different kind of thing for me. But I will go over that, in light of what youíve told me about the way that Iím responding to the truth wave.

ELIAS: Yes, which this is also associated with. Remember, you are presenting your truths to yourself through action and experience, not intellectually, not in thought but in action and experience. And recognize that your response to your experience in that physical location in association with this other focus is significant also. For it is no accident that you triggered that particular experience and that bleed-through, for it associates with responses that you generate in association with religious expressions in this focus.

MARGOT: Yes, yes, I understand. So I was on the side of the Arkansas pioneers. Was Bosht John D. Lee?


MARGOT: I thought so and he thinks so, too; he just passed me a note. Thatís interesting! He was part of the Avenging Angels! (Elias laughs) That was a very strange thing that occurred that day, and a lot of bleed-through and stuff that has occurred.

My time is about up, and so Iím going to cut it off there and do a lot of thinking and feeling and listening to your words and seeing if I can find myself, get myself out of this.

ELIAS: And I shall be offering my energy to you in assistance.

MARGOT: Oh, I know you will! (Elias chuckles) I really thank you for that. And thank you for all the talks that we have.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend.

MARGOT: It seems like I had one more thing that I wanted to talk about here, but Iím not thinking too well today. All in all, I think Iíve done really well! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ah ha! Congratulations for acknowledging yourself!

MARGOT: Oh yes, thereís one other thing. You know, Iíve had a lot of dead guys come into my bedroom at night, and they always come with a great smile and a grin and Iíve got a big smile and a grin when I come awake, and itís always such an interesting thing. But the other night somebody came into my bedroom, and it was my ex-husband! And there wasnít any smile on his face; in fact, he seemed to be very confused. He seemed not to know where he was or why. It was very, very strange. The only thought that Iíve had about it is that he is experimenting Ė maybe thatís not a good word Ė with disengagement, and he just got himself in a strange place.

ELIAS: Correct. It has been a projection with his attention and objective awareness intact.

MARGOT: Is it because of the earlier connection that we had that he would land up in my presence?

ELIAS: And also in a drawing of energy of comfort in association with the concept of death, for this is your exploration. Therefore, you incorporate an energy of more of an ease with that choice and that subject matter. Therefore, it is an automatic projection to an energy that is not expressing fear in association with death.

MARGOT: Oh, I see. Thatís pretty much what I felt. That was a very strange experience. Iíve never had one like that, where somebody came who didnít really know where they were.

ELIAS: And perhaps more strange to him! Ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: Well, I was going to ask you about that. Does he have a recall of that?


MARGOT: Iíve had a couple of phone calls from him of late in regard to small things having to do with our kids and what not, and I thought the phone call was very strange. He asked me for addresses of some of our kids that Iíve given him over and over again, and I thought geez, heís really confused! From a physical standpoint, is he doing all right?

ELIAS: And what would be considered all right?

MARGOT: Well, is he functioning well on a physical level? Heís on a mission for the church right now, he and his wife, and I just wondered if heís doing okay, if somebody watching him would feel like he was okay.

ELIAS: That would depend upon the perception of the individual watching. I would express that some individuals may incorporate the perception that he is not, but these are choices. You are correct in your impression that he is experimenting or toying with the direction of disengagement.

MARGOT: I really did feel that, and I thank you for being able to confirm that for me. Iím going to let you go now, and think about a lot of things, Elias. I guess itís okay to wish you a Merry Christmas!

ELIAS: And you also, my dear friend.

MARGOT: We donít do much about it here! I bought a poinsettia plant, thatís about all we do here! (Laughs with Elias)

At any rate, I love you very much and I thank you very much for this wonderful chat. Iíll listen to the tape, Iíll learn a lot more, and Iíll know it when I talk to you the next time.

ELIAS: Very well. I shall be anticipating that, and I may express to you also my tremendous lovingness to you and my encouragement and supportiveness in your quest! Ha ha ha!

MARGOT: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: Until our next meeting, my friend, au revoir.

MARGOT: Au revoir.

Elias departs after 1 hour, six minutes.

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