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Sunday, October 31, 2004

<  Session 1653 (Private/Phone)  >

ďManifestations Associated with an Ongoing IssueĒ

ďThe Definition of a Soul MateĒ


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Ben (Albert).

(Eliasí arrival time is 13 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

BEN: Happy Halloween!

ELIAS: (Laughs) And to you also!

BEN: (Humorously) Why, thank you! So what shall we be discussing today?

ELIAS: This would be your choice. Ha ha ha!

BEN: The first thing I wanted to mention was in the time since we had our last session, I actually dreamt that I had a session with you. In that session I wanted to talk to you about my own physical symptoms and whatever else, and you were like volunteering all this focus information about this concurrent focus that I had as a Vietnam veteran who was working as a drag queen in the Philadelphia area.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) And?

BEN: The fact that I dreamt about this and remembered this, I was going okay, what is the significance of this? I donít necessarily think that this is true, that this is some kind of distortion or whatever, but to me the idea of the dream was I wanted to talk about one thing and you were steering the conversation in another direction and taking my attention away from what I thought I wanted to talk about.

ELIAS: Which frequently occurs in conversations with individuals and myself Ė but what I am expressing to them actually is associated with what they choose to be discussing. They merely do not generate the correlation initially. But eventually they recognize the relationship between what I may be expressing to them and what their actual direction is.

BEN: Now, this particular dream was not some kind of energy exchange. This is just me giving myself imagery, telling myself something, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: That perhaps I donít need to be so fixed about what I want to discuss?

ELIAS: And that subjects are interrelated and perhaps the answers to some of your questions are not as obvious and may be discovered in different directions.

BEN: So, this whole session had nothing to do with possible focuses I might have or anything else like that, correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: So the last time we talked, I had asked you to suggest a historical individual that I might enjoy investigating. I did read a biography of Hugh Lynn Cayce, and I have to thank you for the recommendation. I thought it was rather interesting in terms of his life and his coming to terms with the aspect of the idea of reincarnation, having other focuses, or his own dealings with what he chose to do with his life and that kind of thing. I thought that was very interesting.

ELIAS: Very well!

BEN: I also thought it was interesting the fact that apparently Edgar Cayceís sister married someone with the surname House. So, of course, Hugh Lynn had a cousin named Tommy House. I was going oh, well, hereís an interesting aspect where you can pick out anybody from any kind of story and identify with them. It doesnít have to be any kind of focus situation. You can identify with people for lots of different reasons.

ELIAS: Correct. Which is significant, for generally speaking, individuals automatically move in the direction of associating other individuals with other focuses, and many times that is not the situation; but they are offering themselves information and imagery in association with different expressions or different aspects of other individuals, and allowing themselves to recognize some type of connection which is not necessarily associated with another focus.

BEN: I wasnít getting any kind of focus-y thing, reading about this particular individual.

ELIAS: But there is imagery to be generated in many directions, regardless of what you offer to yourself.

BEN: I agree. Now that Iíve finished with that investigation, if you want to suggest another individual, I will take that from you, because I thought that was fun

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Hmm. (Pause) Perhaps you may avail yourself of information of the partner of the individual known to you as Houdini.

BEN: Partner, in this case, meaning his wife?

ELIAS: Yes. Not he himself, but the partner.

BEN: Thank you. Hopefully Iíll be able to find something like that. I was just surprised that I was able to find a book that was specifically about Hugh Lynn Cayce, because I would say to other people that if you had suggested I investigate Edgar Cayce, I probably wouldnít have done it.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Too obvious.

BEN: Well, yeah. In some cases Iím going Mary just wants me to read about Hugh Lynn Cayce because he was basically the business manager of the psychic business, and I was just oh, no, thatís just too pat. (Elias laughs)

Along the lines of what we were discussing before, you had given a formula or prescription for Liam and his skin that included this essence of pear.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: I did some investigation about essence of pear, and the first thing I found in doing my Internet search was the number of skin products that I came up with that contained essence of pear. I was like there must be something to this if this is an ingredient in a lot of skin care products, but then I found out that I couldnít really find anywhere to buy this stuff. When I finally found someone who seemed to be an expert, or somebody I treated to be an authority about it, he was saying that essence of pear was actually something that was extremely rare because it takes about 40 tons of pears to make a test tube worth of this stuff. There doesnít seem to be any regulations about the term ďessence of pear,Ē about what it means or what it is. I didnít know if that was something that I still wanted to continue to find for Liam, or if I should be looking for something else. (Slight pause)

ELIAS: I would suggest that you continue your investigation.

BEN: So what Iím looking for is still out there?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Itís not pear blossom essence, correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: And itís not flavoring; itís not a fragrance?

ELIAS: Correct. It would be more likened to a type of oil.

BEN: The things that I was finding... This guy seemed to be about this was what essence of pear was, and I wrote to him and said this is the reason I was looking for this kind of stuff. He was saying most of the things that were called essence of pear I would not put on my skin. He suggested I get some pear eau de vie, but that didnít seem right to me.

ELIAS: No.

BEN: Quick question for Jurgen/Carrdyth, if he hasnít asked this already through someone else. He wants to know if this is his final focus.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Now, I have never asked you before, but I presume Iím a continuing focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: Is my final focus one of my concurrent focuses?

ELIAS: No. BEN: I guess the first thing I wanted to talk about, and we may see where this leads, but lately Iíve been noticing... Let me back up. I know you use definitions of terms like ďthinkingĒ and ďbelievingĒ and ďfeelingĒ and ďemotions,Ē so Iím not sure if Iím going to get the right vocabulary. You can correct me, because I have a really hard time distinguishing between a lot of those terms the way that you do. But Iíve been noticing, as far as having physical symptoms is involved, I know the concept that Iíve been reading is that I can have a physical symptom to get my attention, to bring me back to whatever, but what I seem to have noticed lately is that if I donít have my attention on that part of my body, if Iím interacting with other people especially or going about my day or whatever else, itís either that Iím not aware of the symptoms or Iím not really creating them.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: It seems to be that the opposite is happening, that itís like instead of noticing whatís going on, I try not to put my attention on myself, because the minute I put my attention on myself I recreate the symptoms.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and that occurs in situations also. You are attempting to associate what I have expressed with some other individuals and fit that into your scenario, which it does not.

You are correct. In moments that you are not paying attention to your physical body consciousness and you are distracting yourself or you are occupying your attention otherwise, you actually do not create the physical symptoms; as you turn your attention to your physical body, you begin to create them once again. Or you may not necessarily be moving your attention to your physical body, but if you are not occupying your attention, you begin to notice physical symptoms once again, which is associated with an ongoing expression. Therefore, if you are not distracted or if you are not occupying your attention in other directions, the physical symptoms return or are recreated.

BEN: I have been so fascinated by that fact that in widening my awareness, I am now aware of how I create my symptoms, shall we say.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: I donít know if itís my thoughts or if itís my attention or whatever else, but I can tell that I am literally creating a dis-ease in the moments that itís happening.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: So is my goal here to just try to distract myself as much as possible or figure out some way to put my thoughts or my attention without creating it?

ELIAS: The symptoms are associated with an ongoing expression. Therefore as that expression is a type of underlying motion that is occurring, as it continues, the physical symptoms are always close at hand, so to speak, and easily created. The reason that the distraction is significant is that it interrupts that constant concentration.

Now; remember concentration is not necessarily associated with thought. It CAN be, but it is not, generally. Therefore, as you continue to incorporate this ongoing underlying frustration, which is not overwhelming but it is continuous concerning your movement, your direction, and PHYSICAL movement in association with locations, the physical symptoms are always available, for they are associated with that.

Therefore, as you distract yourself, you move your attention in different directions, you occupy yourself, and you generate somewhat of a satisfaction in that occupation in temporary expressions. But as this is an underlying ongoing expression, it is not eliminated. It continues to be present, but you are not always paying attention to it. Therefore, you interrupt the concentration, and in interrupting the concentration, you dissipate the symptoms. But in moments in which you are not occupied and your attention is not distracted or you are not paying attention to what is occurring in the now and allowing yourself to be present and participate in your own now, in those moments the window opens once again for the physical symptoms to be expressed, for the concentration drifts back to the ongoing subject.

BEN: When I was talking to Michael last night, I think that perhaps the ongoing subject to me can be summed up in that I lost my path at some point. I am used to, from the time I was growing up, from the expressions that I got from my parents, from being in school, from being in my job, that I was always creating a situation where I thought that I was excelling. I notice that if there is an ongoing issue thatís going on, itís the fact that Ė I guess maybe this is two years ago Ė I kind of lost that self-image. I think thatís why I have so much frustration or so many issues about relocation or new jobs or whatever else, because I am still continuing in this new self-expression that I am no longer excelling.

ELIAS: And challenging yourself.

BEN: What do you mean by challenging myself?

ELIAS: Challenging yourself to explore new areas and new abilities, which is what you term to be excelling.

BEN: What Iím talking about in excelling is Ė and Iím trying to put it in terms of myself Ė Iím used to having the accolades of others, and in the past two years I stopped creating that for myself. Thatís why I started searching for something else, because it was like wait a minute, somethingís unfamiliar here. Iím used to thinking of myself as someone who excels, and I think itís because I donít think that way anymore that thatís why I have come up against emotions or obstacles or situations that are less fruitful.

ELIAS: And I would be in agreement. In this, the reason that you generate this perception that you excel in whatever you do and that that is acknowledged by other individuals and they recognize this quality of you also is that you have continuously presented yourself with new challenges that are exciting to you and test your ability, and allow you to excel and to generate this satisfaction within yourself.

But you have allowed yourself to excel to a particular point and have not actually generated interest in your present direction of excelling farther. Therefore, you have not generated that challenge within yourself which motivates you to excel and excites you. This, you are correct, is the reason that you have been moving in this direction of altering much of your focus in your environment and what you choose to do.

BEN: And my physical symptoms.

ELIAS: THAT is generated in association with the frustration.

BEN: I guess to me, now that I know that Iíve gotten off the path and that Iím not operating as efficiently as I was before, Iím just trying to figure out what would be a good thing to try to get my self-esteem back up. I realize that itís one thing to apply for a work permit when you donít feel like youíre entitled to it, and applying for a work permit when you expect that itís just going to happen.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

BEN: Iím just trying to figure out how to get back to where I was, which was creating a self-image that is more efficient than the one that I sidestepped into.

ELIAS: Allow yourself to evaluate what you WERE creating. You generate curiosity in new expressions. You challenge yourself to explore your own creativity in new directions, and what you generated in this time framework is a type of stop-point, viewing that you had pushed your creativity to its physical limit in the environment that you occupy now, and that you incorporate no more curiosity of what to explore further within that environment. You have achieved a position within your employment, and you are not necessarily incorporating a curiosity to move beyond that particular position, for the responsibility and the expectations of moving beyond your present position are not as attractive to you, and in your perception, offer you less of an expression of creativity and more of a position of authority, which is not attractive to you. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, you have generated your own individual ceiling, and that motivates you to expand sideways rather than upward.

BEN: Iíll agree with most of that. But in some cases, I feel like one of the reasons why Iím in the holding pattern that I am, as far as this relocation is concerned, is because the things that I like to do are the same things that I like to do regardless of what location that Iím in. Sometimes I feel like Iím choosing between doing what I want to do and doing what I think Iím supposed to do to relocate. Actually, itís like a painting where you just want the background to change. You donít want the foreground to change.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

BEN: It becomes one of those situations where if I could just continue doing what I like to do and have fun, either the environment will just change or it wonít make any difference. It will truly just be in the background.

ELIAS: Correct. But you have generated a perception for a time framework now that has not been expressing that recognition. You have been associating the background as the catalyst for new creativity and new explorations in which you may generate that excelling once again, confusing that perception with what you have stated now.

What you have stated now is more accurate and correct. If you are allowing yourself to incorporate doing what you prefer and what you like to be doing, the environment or the background matters not. In that situation as it genuinely matters not, you allow yourself the freedom to either remain with the familiar background or to change that background and generate a new environment, without hindering yourself and without questioning your ability or discounting yourself.

But for this time framework, to this point, your motivation has been centered upon the background, as though it were the main subject. Which, that has been what has generated the confusion and has not quite fit within your puzzle pieces in your big picture, so to speak, and the reason that you continue to flounder with this situation and this movement. For as you are allowing yourself an awareness now, the background is not as significant. What is significant is your own balance and allowing yourself to express your creativity in the manner that you want. The environment in which that is expressed is not as significant.

BEN: In this case, Iím coming to terms with what the symbols are actually symbolizing.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: I think itís one of those things where again it has to do with the fact of self-identity or something. I was going I need to think of something where I feel like Iím an authority or excelling at something Ė or if you think of it in society terms, that I will be welcomed with open arms or that Iím expecting to be welcomed with open arms, instead of walking around thinking the opposite.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this is what you are now presenting to yourself, a clearer understanding of what your confusion has been, why you have been generating this confusion, what has been expressed as this subject, and how that is actually convoluted and is actually not the situation.

The concentration has been in the direction of generating a physical move to another physical location, and that is not the point. It has not been the point, but you have moved that into the foreground of your picture, which has generated an imbalance for that is not the subject. The subject is you and continuing to challenge yourself in your creativity to allow you that expression of excelling.

BEN: Iíve been thinking lately that, as an example, if I just start expressing myself creatively on some level, there are certain things that I think that Iím better at than the average person, that if I just started expressing myself creatively in my free time, I would get back that feeling of who I thought I was before.

ELIAS: And that is quite accurate. Actually, if you allow yourself to be creatively expressive freely of yourself once again, you shall begin to automatically generate the challenges that motivate you.

I am not expressing challenge in a manner of some type of difficulty, but a challenge that generates an excitement, some challenge to be conquered, and therefore allowing you to fully express your creativity, and in a manner of speaking, testing your limits, which you are quite familiar with. You do excel in that type of expression, meeting a particular challenge as an exciting test of how you may move into an expression of your abilities and your creativity even further, and therefore generating satisfaction within yourself. Which, in that satisfaction, you do generate an appreciation of self and an acknowledgment of self. As you generate that in your own satisfaction and confidence, you also reflect that to yourself with other individuals, and they generate that appreciation also.

In a manner of speaking, as with any type of movement, it is a type of circle. As you continue to generate the circle, you generate what you want but you continue to expand the circle and allow yourself greater and greater expressions of your own creativity. That in itself allows you, with little or no effort, to generate the freedom of movement in any type of direction, whether it be to engage physical movement and alteration of your location and environment, or whether it be to merely alter some of your environment. But it matters not, for once you are expressing that freedom in creativity and you are generating that challenge once again which sparks that excitement and curiosity within yourself, you generate a natural flow of energy, which is that which is familiar to you, and the background falls into place.

BEN: Itís interesting to me, because part of my own makeup is that I come up with creative ideas quite frequently, but for the most part Iím not really interested in manifesting most of them. I just like coming up with the ideas.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but even in generating the ideas, you may not necessarily be the individual that manifests them but that sets them forth to be manifest.

In this, I may also express to you, in this interim time period in which you have been generating this convoluted perception and have been inverting your foreground and your background Ė but it has been purposeful, and it has offered you significant information Ė in this time framework, the physical manifestations also generate a factor, for that has become also another avenue in which you challenge yourself.

BEN: Yes, certainly. I know that despite my choice of any kind of symptom that Iím doing, Iím also not doing anything particularly serious. I realize that thatís not necessary to get my attention or for me to realize whatís going on.

ELIAS: Correct, which has also been a testing of your abilities and how you manipulate. Although it has been somewhat of a concern in moments and somewhat of an annoyance and discomfort at times, it also has served as a challenging manner in which you may play with manipulating energy and testing your abilities.

BEN: Speaking of manipulating energies and testing, I guess one of the core beliefs I have come to realize since I last talked with you has to do with the concept of creating your own reality. I finally came to the conclusion that I think that creating your own reality is wrong. I think it is kind of like hubris. Once the mortal starts behaving as if he is a god, then heís asking for trouble. Once I realized I had this core belief, itís very hard for me to realize that Iím creating everything if I think that itís wrong for me to be doing it.

ELIAS: I am understanding, which is another aspect of your testing. It is merely another avenue of movement Ė recognizing that you incorporate a particular belief but manipulating energy and testing, and also, in that testing, offering yourself an avenue in which perhaps you may begin to view different influences of beliefs and therefore not view them as so very black and white.

BEN: Can you give me an example, as far as what I just said? Now that Iíve realized that I have this belief that itís wrong for me to create my own reality...

ELIAS: No, no, no, no, no! No. You incorporate a belief that reality is created by the divine. Therefore, one influence of that belief is that it is wrong for you to create your reality, for you do not perceive yourself to BE the divine.

BEN: Yes, but part of that is also the idea that you create situations where youíre the victim. Youíll say of course Iím not creating my own reality, look at what just happened.

ELIAS: And?

BEN: Itís one of those things where itís quite easy to realize that either Iím not really creating my own reality or Iím creating my own reality so I wonít think that I am.

ELIAS: Or another association would be ah, I am creating my reality but I am creating it badly...

BEN: (Laughs) Well, thatís easy for me to do too!

ELIAS: (Laughs) ...or not efficiently. But this is what you are moving towards, actually incorporating an awareness of what your beliefs are and beginning to unravel, so to speak, the different influences of those beliefs, as you are beginning with this. The belief is not that you do not create your reality or that it is wrong to create your reality. The belief is that reality is created by the divine.

BEN: I really think that?

ELIAS: It is not a matter of what you THINK.

BEN: (Laughs) I really believe that?

ELIAS: It is not a matter of what you BELIEVE. It is a matter of an expressed belief and which influence of that belief you are associating with. What you believe, which is the influence, is that it is wrong for you to create your reality.

BEN: To me, itís wrong to express your super powers.

ELIAS: Correct. Which would be...

BEN: Or in other words, where do I get off thinking that I have super powers? Where do I get off thinking Iím a glorious being?

ELIAS: Correct, which would be other influences of the same belief.

BEN: At this point Iím only at the stage of noticing them.

ELIAS: Ah, but that is significant, for that offers you tremendous information and new explorations and new challenges.

BEN: And have YOU been having new challenges and new explorations lately?

ELIAS: Continuously! (Laughs)

BEN: As always!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Quite!

BEN: I was wondering, right now in this moment, you are just as aware that youíre giving me my first private session as you are that youíre giving me this one. Correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: In some sense, itís like youíve already given them all and you left a long time ago.

ELIAS: You may view in that manner, in your terms, in association with your perception of time. I may express to you, they are all occurring now. Therefore, they are not over. They are continuing.

BEN: Oh, I see what you mean, yes. (Elias laughs) But you could just as easily be saying something new to me now as youíre saying something new to me in 1999.

ELIAS: And so I am! (Both laugh)

BEN: And Iím probably still not getting it in either time framework!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Ah, but you are in some capacities.

BEN: I know Iíve complained before that I get annoyed with you sometimes because you just donít speak English. But the little I interacted with what Edgar Cayce was saying, I was like let me tell you, Elias is speaking English way better than that guy was. (Elias laughs loudly) I donít know if I would have gotten anything from that material if Iíd been around in that time framework.

ELIAS: (Laughs) It is not a matter of whether I am speaking the same language as are you, but whether you are understanding. Whether you are allowing yourself to assimilate the language matters not. This is the reason that although individuals may complain that I incorporate repetition far too much, I may express to ALL of the individuals that I may be expressing repetition to them continuously and incorporate significant YEARS in repetition, and may also express to their attention that regardless of how many times I may repeat certain concepts, they do not understand and have not yet assimilated.

You yourself are an example of standing upon the threshold, now noticing that you express an influence of a belief that it is wrong for you to be creating your reality; therefore, you do not. I may express to you, for the most part, most individuals that I interact with and engage conversation with, regardless of the time framework of how many years we have incorporated conversations, continue to not quite accept and understand that they actually do create their reality in all of its expressions. Therefore, repeating that they create their reality merely is a repeating of a concept that they have not quite assimilated yet. There are many concepts that individuals have not quite yet assimilated.

I have expressed from the onset of this forum: this is the reason that there is trauma associated with this shift. I express to all of you as simply and as precisely as I may, as you will allow, these concepts that I offer to you; but regardless of their simplicity, they are very unfamiliar.

You incorporate many, many, many focuses in this one physical dimension. All of those focuses are occurring now; they are all present. In that, there are many, many, many aspects of yourself that are ingrained in the blueprint of this reality, and have been and are being expressive of beliefs in most of your focuses in a familiar manner, which you began in this focus also to be expressing. Now you are shifting, and you are changing your reality. You are inserting unfamiliar expressions and movements into it, and that is challenging. It may even be difficult and conflicting and overwhelming and traumatizing.

BEN: But you are saying that I currently have a focus thatís post-Shift that already is comfortable with the idea and the knowing and the experiences that they create their own reality.

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: For me, until I create experiences for myself that I am a multi-dimensional being or that I create my own reality, it is going to continue to be theory.

ELIAS: Correct.

BEN: I do look forward to the time that I create these experiences, but until then, I, for the most part, keep my mouth shut.

ELIAS: But also another unfamiliar aspect of this movement is actually acknowledging and recognizing now the moments in which you do see that you are actually creating. But for the most part, that is ignored and is not acknowledged.

BEN: Oh, you mean Iím having these experiences now, Iím just not paying any attention to them?

ELIAS: You are not acknowledging them. You are not acknowledging that YOU are actually generating it, that you are actually creating it. Occasionally you do.

BEN: For example, the fact that I havenít had a session with you for so many months. I am aware of all the particular times when I thought I was going to have a session and didnít have a session Ė it wasnít like I thought this was Maryís fault or anything else. Iím quite aware of my creating the situation all those times.

ELIAS: I am aware. In this, at times you express an awareness that you are creating your reality and you are creating what is occurring within it, and that you are actually choosing that, but there is not a genuine acknowledgment of that. It is somewhat continuing to be concept.

You somewhat are aware in the fact that you are not attributing a particular creation to another individual. Therefore, there is the partial acceptance that you are creating what you are creating. But in not necessarily understanding what you are creating, there is not a full acknowledgment. Therefore, there continues to be an expression of doubt, which generates not being expressed in reality but continuing to be concept.

BEN: Iím still looking forward to the time when I create an experience that really makes me think that I have more than one focus, whether itís in a dream or whatever else, where I really feel like Iím living in another time framework. Iím looking forward to when I decide to create that.

ELIAS: I am understanding. This is a significant factor with most individuals, not necessarily in association with other focuses but some evidence that offers you some type of proof of reality, that if you may offer yourself some type of proof, some evidence that you shall not dispute within yourself, you perceive that this will generate more of an easiness in a movement into the acceptance that you are what you are and that you actually do create your reality.

BEN: But if I understand you correctly, itís happening now anyway.

ELIAS: In increments, yes.

BEN: (Laughs) The futureís happening now, so...

ELIAS: That also. But within your reality, in your focus physically within your linear time framework, yes, it is also occurring in increments.

BEN: I get most of my leaps of that kind of thing from interacting with other people. I find that when I start trying to explain something to someone else thatís when I finally get things. Thatís why I often like to be socially interactive. Not only to hear what they have to say, but I think sometimes I figure out things when I have to say them myself.

ELIAS: I am understanding. As I have expressed to many individuals, sharing experiences may be quite valuable, for it offers you different manners in perception. It is an avenue in which you present to yourself information, either through another individual, or as you have expressed, through yourself.

BEN: Before we go, Iím going to ask a couple of Mikah questions, if thatís acceptable.

ELIAS: Very well.

BEN: One of them has to do with the definition of soul mates. He was saying based on that definition, are Mikah and Albert soul mates?

ELIAS: Yes.

BEN: Of each other or just one way?

ELIAS: Each other.

BEN: I would think that in those kinds of terms, I must have an awful lot of soul mates.

ELIAS: And so do you all.

BEN: (Laughs) It doesnít seem to be all that rare.

ELIAS: It is not, but individuals incorporate the liking of romanticizing soul mates and therefore generating a perception that they are more exclusive.

BEN: I think for me sometimes it also has to do with the number of focuses as well. I know you have said itís not about the numbers of them, but I can sit there and say youíve said things along the lines of Benny and I being soul mates or that Benny and Lonnie are soul mates, but Iím going he has way more focuses with her than he does with me.

ELIAS: It is a combination of shared focuses and also the types of focuses that you incorporate in those shared focuses in intimate relationships, NOT necessarily romantic, but that you generate genuine intimacy in different focuses; also the interaction that two essences generate together, which may not necessarily in one particular dimension incorporate very many focuses. But perhaps within consciousness and in many realities those essences incorporate many, many shared experiences, which would generate that definition of soul mate.

BEN: I think we are about wound up, unless you have something else you want to talk about. We didnít go off the path as far as what I was thinking about talking about. (Elias laughs) Thatís acceptable as well.

ELIAS: Very well! And perhaps you shall not necessarily incorporate as many delays in your choice to be engaging conversation with myself in our next meeting.

BEN: Well, maybe. You never know, do you?

ELIAS: Quite! Or perhaps you may choose not to be engaging conversation with myself, which...

BEN: Well, according to you Iím engaging conversation with you whether I realize it or not! (Elias laughs) I canít seem to get away from you whether Iím having a session with you or not.

ELIAS: Ah, touchť. (Both laugh) Very well, my friend. I shall express to you, enjoy your day with your ghosts. Ha ha ha!

BEN: Thank you. Youíre still my favorite ghost, so far.

ELIAS: Ah, thank you! And I shall be floating about also amongst the other ghosts.

BEN: Okay, Iíll look for you later at the party tonight!

ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well! I express to you as always my great affection and fondness, and I shall be offering my energy to you in supportiveness. To you, Albert, in great friendship, au revoir.

BEN: ņ bientŰt!

Elias departs after 1 hour, 5 minutes.


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