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Thursday, July 14, 2005

<  Session 1794 (Private)  >

ďBeing Aware of What You Are Aware OfĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Frank (Ulra).

(Eliasí arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

FRANK: Hello! How are you?

ELIAS: As always! And yourself?

FRANK: Fine, fine. Nice to finally meet you in person!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And what shall we discuss?

FRANK: The first question I have is do you perceive me any differently because weíre physically in the same room, or is it the same for you whether Iím on the phone or sitting with you?

ELIAS: There is no difference, for I am interacting with your energy and I do not actually incorporate a visual in the same manner as do you, for that requires more energy than is necessary. But I do incorporate somewhat of a visual of energy, but not of actual objects.

FRANK: But you could if you wanted to?


FRANK: Thatís interesting. Well, this is a bit strange for me. Weíve been talking for more than five years now, and to finally meet you in person is a different experience.

Letís see, I guess the first thing, I want to pick up on some things that we... Actually, everything I want to talk about kind of picks up on what we talked about last time. First off, last time we talked about the baseball team that I manage, and you had told me how really itís my attitude towards it that had affected their lack of success. Since then, itís surprising, we havenít lost a game, so thank you for your...

ELIAS: Ah! Therefore, you are altering YOUR perception of this team.

FRANK: Yes, something changed. Iím not sure exactly how, but it worked. It worked very well.

ELIAS: And altering your interaction, which changes the outcome.

FRANK: Yes, itís amazing whatís happened. For a while, no one wanted to show up and no one cared, and now everyone is showing up and everyone is having fun. Theyíre winning and doing well. I think back on that and I think how did I do this? How did this happen, other than the advice you gave me to basically engage myself more? Anyway, itís sort of an interesting lesson. I wish everything would be that easy.

ELIAS: And engage more of your enthusiasm.

FRANK: Yes. Iím not sure how I did it other than I just sort of decided to be more involved and more enthusiastic.

ELIAS: Quite simple.

FRANK: Almost seems too simple, but...

ELIAS: That is the point. It is not necessary to complicate. Most actions that you accomplish are actually quite simple.

FRANK: Well, hopefully then, some of the other things that I need to talk to you about we can make that simple. (Elias laughs) Another issue that we talked about is the baseball team that I play on and the way I play, and we had a big discussion about that. That I have not been successful in changing the outcome, so Iím wondering if you could tell me a little bit about what you think on that, where Iím at and what I need to do.

ELIAS: And what is your assessment? In recall of our discussion, you and I discussed your physical expression and the underlying apprehension with that and also other issues that are underlying of not expressing your own confidence. And what is your assessment in that?

FRANK: I think Iím over the part about the fear of being re-injured, largely because of what youíve said to me. I remind myself from time to time what youíve said, and I donít think thatís the issue any more. But I think, for whatever reason, the confidence clearly still isnít there, because things havenít improved. Again, I wish it were as simple as with the other issue we just talked about, but I havenít been able to make the leap, to regain my confidence.

ELIAS: Stop comparing.

FRANK: To myself, before?

ELIAS: Stop comparing to yourself, to your ideal self, and with other individuals.

FRANK: Iím doing a lot of that?

ELIAS: Yes. You compare not as much with other individuals, but somewhat. You compare considerably to your ideal self, which also involves comparing to what you have accomplished pastly and what you are not accomplishing now, which does not reinforce your confidence or your trust within yourself of your ability. Stop comparing.

FRANK: Thatís easier said than done.

ELIAS: I am aware. But that may be your greatest obstacle presently. Allow yourself to merely concentrate upon you and your ability in the moment, not projecting to your ideal self, not projecting pastly to what you have accomplished previously, but allow yourself to be present with yourself in the moment and experience your power. Experience your own strength and focus. You think you are focusing as you are engaging the game, but you are distracted, for there are underlying comparisons occurring and that distracts your concentration. It distracts your focus.

FRANK: You mean while Iím playing?

ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, if you are genuinely present with yourself in the moment and experiencing your strength and your power, you shall allow yourself to accomplish and reestablish your confidence.

FRANK: Iím not going to phrase this very well, but let me try. In between the times when Iím playing, would it be helpful for me to try to recall when Iíve done well or that sort of thing?

ELIAS: Yes, but merely if you are not comparing what you are doing now with then. If you are reinforcing yourself in recalling your accomplishments, and acknowledging yourself and reinforcing your trust of your abilities, that may be helpful. But if you slip into discounting yourself now, that is an indicator that you are comparing, and that would not be helpful.

FRANK: I think itís probably an automatic response for me at this point.

ELIAS: Yes. This is the reason that it is important that you be present with yourself. Be aware. Being present with yourself is incorporating an awareness of you, of your existence. That may seem simplistic, but in actuality, how often are you actually aware of your actual existence?

FRANK: Not often, and it doesnít seem simplistic at all.

ELIAS: That is being present, allowing yourself to genuinely experience your existence and your strength and power in that existence.

FRANK: Thatís a tough one.

ELIAS: But it enables you quite strongly.

FRANK: Yeah, I feel like I can do it. Itís like what happened with the baseball team that I manage. Itís like okay, I can kind of do anything.

ELIAS: That also is a reinforcement. That is an accomplishment. Acknowledge that within yourself, and know that as easily and as simply as you accomplished that, and as successfully, you can also in this.

FRANK: Or anything.


FRANK: At least Iím in a point now where, as opposed to several years ago, instead of sort of wallowing in the fact that itís not going well, itís more of okay, youíve got to figure out whatís going on here.

ELIAS: And you do offer yourself evidence of your movement and your accomplishments. It is merely a matter of continuing to acknowledge those accomplishments, rather than somewhat ignoring them.

FRANK: Is there some bigger plan here that Iíve got for myself? Am I doing this for some reason at this point?

ELIAS: Bigger plan, hmm. (Chuckles)

FRANK: I mean, am I trying to teach myself something?

ELIAS: You have been throughout this time framework that we have been interacting with each other and prior to that. You are continuously offering yourself information and generating new and different movements and becoming more and more aware.

FRANK: Next, what I want to talk to you about Ė and this is pretty significant Ė we also spoke about the issues that I was having in terms of my business and relationship to my partner.

ELIAS: And did you contact your partner in the manner in which you expressed to myself?

FRANK: No, I didnít.

ELIAS: What did you do?

FRANK: Well, I didnít do much of anything. Interestingly enough, he came back and said he decided that we should just split up the business and both kind of go our separate ways. So, the first question I have for you is you talked about some of these issues where we had problems, and you said you need to come up with a different solution. Was this the sort of thing you had in mind?

ELIAS: Not necessarily, but that would be an example of a different avenue that does not incorporate compromise.

FRANK: It definitely is. It doesnít incorporate compromise.

ELIAS: That was not the direction that I was suggesting to you, but it is another avenue.

FRANK: And I donít feel bad about it. Really, I kind of feel good about it, in a way, but it also presents complications and issues for me and challenges that I have concerns about.

ELIAS: Such as?

FRANK: The biggest one being that I need to bring in investors into my share of the business that Iím going to take with me, and I have concerns about my ability to do that. On a certain level, I know that if I do what I did with the baseball team, yes, I can do it and it probably can happen pretty easily.

ELIAS: Not merely the team but the business itself. What have you already accomplished with the business? As you initially presented this idea to myself in our discussions, you had not yet engaged your business and you were quite apprehensive in that time framework, also.

FRANK: Yes, and I think about that, too.

ELIAS: And you have accomplished considerably.

FRANK: Right, so I feel that I can do it, but again I have, I donít know if itís just my nature, but I sort of have fears. I still have these latent fears about destitution. I think theyíre greatly minimized from when we first started to speak, would you agree?


FRANK: I think theyíre greatly minimized. Actually, I think my fears about a lot of things are pretty greatly minimized, which is great. So, I thank you for all of that.

ELIAS: I would also agree.

FRANK: But itís still a matter of concern to me.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, this may not necessarily be any longer an actual fear. There is a difference between incorporating and expressing a fear, which you were previously in association with not acknowledging your own capabilities or abilities. There is a difference in that expression than with one that is apprehensive.

With most individuals, it is a natural expression to generate some element, not necessarily an extreme, but some element of apprehension in association with moving into unfamiliar areas, unfamiliar experiences. Although this is not entirely unfamiliar, it is somewhat unfamiliar, for in generating the business that you have created, you have also created a system of support, so to speak, with your partner. Although you do not always agree with each other, you have created a familiar relationship with this individual, as we discussed previously, in which at times you lead and he follows. At times, he leads and you follow, and you trade. That has become familiar and also has been assessed by you as being a support in some manners.

Now you are anticipating moving into a business singularly, in which your support now must be expressed from you, and that is somewhat unfamiliar. You are aware and have evidenced to yourself that you can accomplish and that you have. Therefore, you have reinforced to yourself a trust of your ability to accomplish. But now you are anticipating perhaps generating a new avenue, which is somewhat unfamiliar. There are some unknowns.

Unfamiliarities and unknowns naturally generate somewhat of an apprehension within individuals. That is not a fear; that is a natural response. It is a matter of paying attention and acknowledging yourself and reinforcing that trust of yourself in acknowledging what you have created and what you already have. In that, you do not allow that apprehension to escalate and turn and create a fear or create an obstacle in which you do not allow yourself to move easily and confidently.

FRANK: I think Iím kind of doing that at this point, right?

ELIAS: Yes. That is the point, to acknowledge that you are experiencing somewhat of an apprehension and recognize what that is being motivated by, that there are unknowns and unfamiliarities and they naturally generate that, but that does not necessarily create an absolute of an obstacle with you, for once acknowledging yourself, and once again, being present.

FRANK: Well, thatís the hardest part, the being present part.

ELIAS: That would be a quite beneficial action to practice. (Chuckles)

FRANK: Iím not even sure I know how!

In a sort of related thing, last week I went down into the city. I had meetings with two friends, who are also business associates, regarding the new venture. One of them I had even spoken with previously about the thing and he had expressed some positive indications about working with me on it. For whatever reason, when I was there, I donít know if it was because of this apprehension or what, but I think my energy wasnít very positive. Neither one of these people seemed to react particularly well. So, first of all, did I assess that correctly? Secondly, why was my energy so negative or not positive?

ELIAS: First of all, express to myself how you approached this meeting.

FRANK: With the idea of explaining what was going on and explaining...

ELIAS: For what purpose? What was your direction?

FRANK: My direction was to start initial conversations toward getting these people to invest in my new company.

ELIAS: But not wanting involvement.

FRANK: Not wanting them to be involved? I donít know...

ELIAS: You want to be directing, which is the point.

FRANK: In other words, they want to be involved?

ELIAS: You want to be directing. You want the cooperation of other individuals in investment, but you want to be directing.

FRANK: Correct.

ELIAS: There is somewhat of an energy of skepticism of whether the other individuals will cooperate in the manner that you want without attempting to be also somewhat directing.

FRANK: I would have never figured that one out.

ELIAS: This is not a matter of control. This is a matter of your assertion of your own directing of yourself, of your business and of the direction that you are moving within, which you want to generate cooperation, and we have been discussing cooperation recently. You want to implement that, but you do not want the input of other individuals in any type of directing manner in relation to you.

This is a challenge, for what occurs is you express an automatic response in energy of defense. Once that energy is projected of defense, you generate a shield, and the other individuals reflect and are not as cooperative.

FRANK: That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, defense is merely another term for opposing, for you automatically oppose when you defend.

FRANK: So to achieve what I want to achieve, the answer is to not feel defensive about it? To not fear that they will direct me, because, in fact, they canít if I donít want them to?

ELIAS: Correct. To express your own strength, your own acknowledgment of your ability and what you want, to not question that. In your terms, to not second-guess that but to acknowledge and trust your ability, which is already being expressed, and to approach the other individuals in an energy of cooperation.

FRANK: I can see that now. That actually was an apprehension, fear, concern, whatever you want to call it, that really was on the surface. I mean, I was aware of that.

ELIAS: This, my friend, is another avenue of practicing being present Ė being aware of what you are aware of. (Laughs)

FRANK: I was aware of it, but I wasnít aware that I was aware of it. I didnít connect it.

ELIAS: Not paying attention, not being present and knowing what you are expressing. You are partially aware, but you are not paying attention. You ARE offering yourself communications, but you are ignoring them and not listening.

This is the point, my friend, in which I express to you, and to all individuals, there is no element of yourself that is hidden from you. It is present. It is there. It is expressed. You communicate to yourself continuously. It is merely a matter that you do not pay attention or that you ignore yourself. Subsequently, if another entity or ghost points to it, you recall and express, ďAh, yes, I was aware.Ē No, you were partially aware. (Laughs)

FRANK: I like that I wasnít aware of what I was aware of! I like that better.

ELIAS: Be aware of what you are aware of.

FRANK: Well, sometimes itís hard to connect it. Weíre not in a vacuum. Thereís so many things that are going on, and then, frankly, on top of it all, itís not just what I am doing with this business, itís Iíve got to go to the store and do this, Iíve got to sign this paper. Weíre so bombarded with stimuli. I think thatís a big part of the problem, too.

ELIAS: Which is the reason that it is significant to be present with yourself, for these are all of the actions within your day that you are within your copilot seat and not being present. In many of those actions, you are expressing information to yourself and ignoring.

FRANK: I think about that all the time. Well, maybe not all the time but frequently. Today I got out of the shower and there was a bug in the washcloth, and I thought I wonder what this information is, but I donít have the vaguest idea of what something like that could be. I donít know why, but for some reason there are very mundane things that always cross my mind. Maybe itís because they are mundane.

ELIAS: Precisely. But you view them too literally. That is the manner in which you complicate, for in actuality, there are many simple reasons that you present imagery to yourself. But in the moment, as you discover the bug in your cloth, you are analyzing and attempting to evaluate what cosmic reason this could have and what could this possibly be related to, and am I paying attention in this moment, what is occurring in this moment that I would create this creature in the cloth in this now? There must be some cosmic answer!

It may be as simple as that you are experiencing being bugged (Frank laughs), and you merely present yourself with a physical example of it. Or it may be that you are attempting to gain your attention in presenting yourself with surprise and re-expressing or reintroducing to yourself that experience of that element of surprise.

FRANK: But what are the chances that I would recognize that, understand that?

ELIAS: There are tremendous odds. It is merely a matter of paying attention and generating an openness to possibilities [and] not focusing so narrowly, as in this example with the bug Ė not focusing upon the bug in the cloth and attempting to evaluate what significance that is expressing in this moment that you have created this disturbing situation. It may not necessarily be a disturbing situation. It may merely be a matter of paying attention to what your response was, your surprise at viewing this bug, an unexpected experience, generating an openness within yourself to allow you to be aware of what your general direction is in a time framework. You are moving into new ventures. The element of surprise may be an infusion of fun in these new ventures.

But you also have been perhaps not entirely irritated but somewhat bugged in your interaction with family recently in their choices and their actions and their demands. That is not necessarily to the point of irritation but... (Laughs)

FRANK: So, did this bug appear because I wasnít recognizing that I was bugged by the actions? In other words, had I recognized it, would the bug...

ELIAS: You ARE recognizing. You are not being aware of what you are aware of.

FRANK: Okay, there we go again! (Laughs)

ELIAS: You have been aware of agitation. You are aware of what is occurring that is agitating to you. But you are also not paying attention. You are attempting to ignore.

FRANK: What would be different if I were paying attention? Would my actions be different?

ELIAS: Perhaps. They may be or they may not be. It is dependent upon your choices and what you want. If you are paying attention, if you are not ignoring, if you are aware, you offer yourself more information, [and] in which, as you offered yourself that information, you generate more creativity and more allowance for the communication of imagination and generate different choices, and to cooperate. For you WANT to cooperate with family members, but you also assess that there is a difference between acquiescing and compromising and cooperating, and many times what you do is compromise.

FRANK: Why? Because itís easier? It seems easier?

ELIAS: Seems or appears easier, or also, partially, it is associated with your role. Therefore, there is an automatic association that there are certain actions that are expected of you.

FRANK: Yes. I think that gets back to what we talked about with the car problems and this whole sense of obligation.

ELIAS: Yes, which is ignoring and avoiding.

FRANK: I donít know why I do that, other than right now it seems in my life there are so many things going on, and frankly, itís hard for me to focus on more than one or two. I mean, between the business and the way Iím playing baseball (Elias laughs), those are the things that to me right now are important. Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes, and therefore, they are your priorities, which is acceptable, but that is not the question that you posed.

FRANK: With regard to the business and where Iím wanting to go, itís actually kind of exciting for me. I think itís a good thing. Itís a breath of fresh air. I would have never proposed that solution, but Iím actually kind of happy that itís going in that direction. So, I guess maybe I did generate it.

ELIAS: Another element of surprise that you present to yourself. FRANK: Yes, it really, really was a surprise. Now the future is open and there are a lot of directions and choices here. One of the choices that I donít really need to make right now but people want to know what my choice is, people Iím trying to deal with, is how large do I want to make this entity. Do I want to try to build something that will be one size or something that will be much, much bigger, because they involve different avenues that we need to start down pretty quickly. Iím not really sure which way I want to go, so I was hoping you could give me some advice on that or some thoughts on that.

ELIAS: Perhaps it is not a matter of either/or. Perhaps it is a matter of evolution. Perhaps you may begin in one manner and allow yourself the openness to alter if you choose. You may begin moving in one direction and that may be efficient and successful temporarily, and you may become inspired in another direction and allow yourself to generate that also.

FRANK: Yes, and I know that. I guess maybe I should phrase my question differently. Iím sort of copping out here. I think what it really comes down to is the part about other people want to know. Iím trying to figure out what... I guess some of it is internal, what do I want. But some of it is what do other people want.

ELIAS: No, no, no, no. It is not a matter of what other individuals want...

FRANK: I knew you were going to say that.

ELIAS: It is a matter of what YOU want and what you direct yourself to do.

FRANK: Let me rephrase that. I guess itís a concern on my part that if I say that Iím going to go in a certain direction, others will feel thatís not adequate and so they do not want to cooperate with this venture. Thatís really what it is. Itís a fear or an apprehension or whatever you want to term it.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and that is more specific and valid. In that, I express to you, it is important that you genuinely focus upon you and genuinely acknowledge yourself. Do not incorporate doubt and do not concern yourself with the response of other individuals. Do not express ďwhat if.Ē Eliminate that term.

FRANK: Okay, so youíre saying figure out what I want and say hereís what Iím going to do...

ELIAS: And you express the appreciation of your direction and of your choice, and that shall project an energy of attractiveness to the other individuals and they shall reflect that to you. It is not a matter of concerning yourself with what they want or the ďwhat if.Ē It is a matter of generating a clarity with yourself, a confidence in your choices, an appreciation of your direction and your choices. That projects an energy that accomplishes, and that generates an energy that shall be reflected to you in what you want.

If you are concerning yourself with the other individuals and if you are concerning yourself with the ďwhat if,Ē you are doubting your own expression.

FRANK: Letís talk about what I think I want, because it seems to change. What I think I want is to go down a path that would not be a huge venture but that would be successful. I think it could be much more successful than Iíve been up to now but not be some enormous sort of a thing. Thatís what I think I would really like to do. Is that...?


FRANK: So that is the direction I should go. What youíre suggesting is I should say this is what I want to do, hereís what it looks like in financial numbers that people want to see, and then the money will come. Somehow Iíll find the money I need to do it.

ELIAS: Yes. Do not doubt yourself. Do not concern yourself with the other individuals. That is doubting you.

FRANK: I knew you would say that (Elias laughs), but I didnít think about what you would say until just now.

ELIAS: I may express to you the theme of this interaction and discussion this day is being aware of what you are aware of.

FRANK: Yes, we always have a theme donít we?


FRANK: We do. Except I didnít have any dreams this time. Usually the dreams tell us what the theme is.

ELIAS: It is not necessary!

FRANK: Why am I not remembering my dreams lately?

ELIAS: For you are focusing your attention quite objectively in what you are doing objectively in a waking state, for you are generating changes and that is significantly holding your attention.

FRANK: I think Iím getting a little less lazy, too.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Congratulations!

FRANK: No, this is dangerous!

ELIAS: Perhaps I shall not recognize you in our next discussion if you are not generating some laziness! (Laughs with Frank)

FRANK: I do think of that from time to time. I thought about some of what you said about baseball and why sometimes I donít want too because of that, but Iím not sure I agree with that one yet.

Last time we talked about the car problems and the whole issue of personal responsibility. We really didnít have much time to talk about that at any length, although Iíll note that I havenít had any car problems since, so thatís good. But is there more you can tell me about that that might help me in that direction? I guess I feel more responsible than I need to for everything in my family and my extended family, including people at work and...

ELIAS: Yes. That is associated with what you perceive they expect. Therefore, it is what you expect of yourself, and therefore, it is reflected in that manner.

FRANK: Is it because I want to please them?

ELIAS: Somewhat underlyingly, but it is more an automatic response associated with your view or your perception of your role.

FRANK: And I view my role as taking care of people or something?

ELIAS: Father, the husband, the provider, which provides more than financially.

FRANK: Boy, thatís for sure.

ELIAS: (Laughs) That term ďproviderĒ incorporates a much broader spectrum than is what is generally associated in financial expression.

FRANK: Oh, yes, itís everything. Itís advice. Itís how to do things. Itís talking to people. Itís everywhere.

ELIAS: Correct. Yes, which the provider also is the supporter and the fixer.

FRANK: Yes, got to fix everything. So, what are you suggesting? That I would be happier if I didnít feel so responsible?

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, in your energy I do not view that you unhappy.

FRANK: Youíre right, Iím not.

ELIAS: But you may be less bothered or less bugged if you allow yourself more of your freedom and less expectation of yourself and therefore reflect less expectation. You may experience feeling more relaxed and more at ease.

FRANK: Youíre right, because Iím really not unhappy. Actually, Iím usually pretty happy.

ELIAS: I am aware.

FRANK: Well, I just wonder how they will react, and I know these are things that shouldnít be of concern to me.

ELIAS: It is not a matter of how they shall react, for it is not a question of you implementing actions in relation to them. It is a matter of you addressing to your own expectations of yourself in your role and allowing yourself to relax those expectations and eventually allowing yourself to not express those expectations of yourself. In those actions, you automatically reflect, and therefore they...

FRANK: The other people will change.


FRANK: To me they will appear to change.

ELIAS: Yes. They shall not reflect that to you. They shall not incorporate the need, for you are not expressing the expectation. If you do not expect yourself to perform and provide in certain manners, other individuals shall not either. Their supposed need shall be less or not at all.

FRANK: Thatís something that Iíve just created. I have this expectation of myself that everyone around me needs me for all these things...

ELIAS: And therefore, they do.

FRANK: But in reality, they donít. Okay, that makes sense.

ELIAS: In reality they do, for that is what you are creating and it is real. But that can change.

FRANK: But I can create anything else that I...

ELIAS: Correct, and subsequently they will not. They will generate different avenues.

FRANK: Well, weíre going to try that. Maybe. (Elias laughs) If I donít get too distracted.

ELIAS: Perhaps. If you incorporate the time!

FRANK: Yes, if I incorporate the time.

ELIAS: (Laughs) If you are not too busy.

FRANK: Well, I want to go on record as saying thereís nothing wrong with being lazy.

ELIAS: I agree. (Laughs)

FRANK: I just want to get that straight!

ELIAS: I have not expressed to you that that was wrong. (Chuckles) I may express it may be quite endearing!

FRANK: Well, I donít know about that!

A couple other things I want to ask you about, my wife continues to have problems at work, particularly yesterday. Do you have anything to shed light on that or any advice?

ELIAS: Nothing that would alter the situation, for she continues to generate her own opposition and expresses that energy quite strongly.

FRANK: Right, so she discounts herself.

ELIAS: (Nods in agreement) And in that, the strength of that energy that she is projecting generates challenging situations. You may offer my encouragement to her.

FRANK: She doesnít know about you. (Both chuckle)

ELIAS: Perhaps offer my encouragement to her through yourself.

FRANK: Oh, okay. The last thing I have here, my daughter was going to come with me and at the last minute decided not to, and Iím not quite sure why. It almost reminds me of when she was young, at Christmas she was always afraid of Santa Claus. Is that it?

ELIAS: (Nods in agreement) Apprehension.

FRANK: About meeting you?

ELIAS: Yes. Individuals think within their thought processes that my energy may be different if they are encountering me within physical proximity or if they incorporate their idea of a shield of your electrical equipment, your telephone. In actuality, my energy is presented the same.

FRANK: Seems the same to me. I must say I had some concerns about that coming in. I wondered what would it be like Ė like my first question to you, I wondered what the difference was. But I can attest, itís not much different.

ELIAS: Very well. (Chuckles)

FRANK: But the one thing we had talked about in anticipation of this, before she decided not to come, you at one time told me that not only did we have many focuses together but that we were close in other dimensions.

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: We kind of make the joke about how weíre two rocks or I always say stalactites on a wall or something. Maybe I wouldnít understand, but can you describe any of those or anything about...?

ELIAS: Actually, you do incorporate focuses in another dimension in which you would associate in this dimension that you are rocks.

FRANK: Really?! (Laughs) Oh, sheís going to love this!

ELIAS: That is the translation; but in translating into this reality and what is known within this reality, that would be how you would assess that.

FRANK: Are we buddies? Weíre two rocks that get along well.


FRANK: But you canít describe it in any way that we would understand any better than that?

ELIAS: You may actually incorporate visualizations or even dream interaction in which you may present visuals to yourself of this other dimension. They shall be a translation. They shall not be entirely accurate, for as you present the energy into what is known in this reality, it reconfigures and translates what is expressed in another reality somewhat differently. But it is enough that you shall generate somewhat of an understanding, generally speaking. You incorporate many focuses in other dimensions, other physical realities...

FRANK: Many different physical realities?

ELIAS: Yes. You incorporate some in some realities that other individuals generate interest in also. Let me express to you, all that you view to be fantasy in this reality exists in other realities. Many of your stories and legends and folklore in this reality is generated by being inspired by other physical dimensions, individuals tapping into information that they translate into this reality in a different manner, which is expressed somewhat as fantasy in this reality, but is quite real.

FRANK: Which is where we get the idea for it.

ELIAS: Correct, and you do participate in other realities that would be associated with some of those fantasies in this reality.

FRANK: She will enjoy that, because we have joked about being rocks together.

ELIAS: And perhaps also fairies.

FRANK: Iíve had trouble with heartburn again. Itís sort of come and go and come and go. Iím attributing it to just the general pressure that I feel under right now to do as many things as I have going on, not just the business. You know, the being bugged and...

ELIAS: This would be strongly associated with the being bugged.

FRANK: So thatís an accurate assessment?


FRANK: I donít know how it helps any, but thatís what I thought.

ELIAS: It may be helpful in reminding you to be aware of what you are aware of. (Laughs)

FRANK: Well, thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my dear friend. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, and you may offer my greetings to your daughter.

FRANK: I will do that.

ELIAS: And express my dismay at her choice not to be gracing myself with her presence! (Frank laughs with Elias) As always, I offer to you tremendous encouragement, and I am always expressing supportiveness to you in energy.

FRANK: Thank you.

ELIAS: Until our next meeting, my friend, au revoir.


Elias departs after 1 hour, 7 minutes.

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