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Sunday, August 31, 1997

<  Session 212 (Group/Castaic)  >

ďResponses To Mass Events/There Is No SeparationĒ


Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), Ron (Olivia), Cathy (Shynla), David (Mylo), Gail (William), Bob (Siman), Norm (Stephen), Reta (Dehl), Sue (Catherine), Mary Jane (Kaileen), and a new participant, Mike (Shaife).

Vicís note: There was much discussion before the session regarding the death of Princess Di. This is the mass event referred to in this session.

Elias arrives at 6:46 PM. (Time was thirteen seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening. We shall open this evening to your questions, as I am aware you have very many questions this evening! (Pause)

SUE: I have one. Earlier this week I went to a past-life therapy workshop, and I had an experience there where I thought I was aware of another life or something, and I was wondering if that was genuine or if it was something that I made up. (Laughter)

ELIAS: Genuine. (Smiling) I shall express to you that you do not trust yourselves, and therefore you automatically lean in the direction of discounting your own experiences Ė Shynla! Ė and that as you allow yourself the opportunity to view another focus, you shall be viewing another focus, and not creating what you view to be a fantasy. You need only be trusting of yourself. Your impressions, your visualizations, your mental images ARE reality and remembrances, and they shall bear you out. (Pause)

VICKI: Okay, Iíll ask a question about this thing. Regarding the event of the person who was killed in a car accident yesterday, what was the mass statement involved with that event?

ELIAS: This would be different from a mass statement as is involved with other mass events, such as your plagues or what have you; this not being necessarily a statement, but a choice, and a mass event in response to the choice. (Another pause)

BOB: (To Vic) Go with it!

VICKI: (A bit uncomfortably) I guess the next obvious question in light of the conversation is, why are there such dissimilar responses?

ELIAS: Within factions of individuals?

VICKI: Within individuals, yes.

ELIAS: Within your reality and your creation of your reality and also your alignments with essence families and your individual intents within your individual focuses, individuals shall respond differently. Some individuals, as in all situations, choose to be aligning with the mass within a mass event. Some individuals do not choose to be aligning with the mass event. Even within your mass event of your World War II, some individuals upon your planet did not align with the mass event and did not participate. Therefore, within their individual intents and their focuses, they were choosing a different mass event in non-alignment. In all mass events, this situation occurs; some individuals align and some individuals do not. Therefore, you express differently. This is an individual choice which is mirrored within mass events. Your statement or your choice to be not aligning with the mass event creates a mass event in itself also, in non-alignment. Therefore, there is always more than one mass event occurring at one given time period.

BOB: I have a question. Would you say that grief over the death of someone is a belief system?

ELIAS: Your expression in emotion is influenced by belief systems, but not a belief system. You express to all things within this particular physical focus within an emotional expression or a lack of an emotional expression, for this is an emotional focus in this reality.

BOB: Okay, but youíve described before that acceptance of belief systems Ė pick one Ė if anybody managed to do that, would put them in a position so as to not be affected. I think you said something like it would matter not whether one thing or the other happened. You would not be affected by it.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOB: So within that, if we were capable of accepting myriads of belief systems, would we not be in a position where we did not care whether one thing or the other happened, and doesnít that fall into the definition of insensitivity?

ELIAS: No.

BOB: So how does it differ?

ELIAS: Just as you may continue to hold your own individual opinion of any given belief system, you may also choose to be experiencing an emotion in connection with any action or activity.

BOB: So you can feel something, but not care about it. So you can intellectually know that it doesnít matter, but you can still care about it.

ELIAS: Correct. Acceptance of a belief system is not the action, in your terms, of not caring.

BOB: Do you think though that people attempting to assimilate this information substitute not caring for acceptance, in that no one, by your definition, has accepted any belief systems? So as a substitute for that, this sort of intellectual not caring is their attempt at accepting belief systems?

ELIAS: Yes. I have offered information to you, within what you view to be your past, of distortion which is allowed temporarily, for it is beneficial to your understanding. At times, there is an allowance within the interaction of these essences of your distortion of concepts, for this is helpful to you. You pay attention within your own distortion, and you shall investigate and allow for your own attention within your own individual distortions of concepts. Therefore, there is an allowance with these essences temporarily for your distortion of these concepts of acceptance, for this allows you the motivation and the opportunity for exploration within the belief systems and the action of acceptance of these belief systems. This motivates you and spurs you in the direction of accepting. It matters not that you are temporarily distorting the information, for this motivates you to be accomplishing; and as you are accomplishing and as you are moving, you are offered more information which also dissipates your distortion.

BOB: Just to make sure I understood that ... so youíre saying that this sort of act of not caring in lieu of acceptance is a movement towards acceptance?

ELIAS: Temporarily. This is a tremendous distortion of the reality. Acceptance is NOT an action of not caring!

BOB: So it would seem to me it could be a distraction, that being on this one track would actually not only be a distortion, but it would be a wrong direction that would mask our ability to really recognize what acceptance was, assuming any of us will ever achieve that in this lifetime. You havenít been real clear on whether weíre on the verge of any acceptance here.

ELIAS: You are on the verge. As I have stated ...

BOB: So by Christmas, maybe? (Laughter) Iím sorry!

NORM: A Christmas present!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) As I have stated at our last regularly scheduled transmission, (laughter) you ARE close. You ARE accomplishing. You are moving in this direction, and you shall accomplish! You merely have not, within this present now, accomplished fully.

I also shall address to you that you are not moving in a wrong direction. I have stated to you, within the area of accepting belief systems, that distraction and change of belief systems may both be helpful and instrumental to you in moving closer into a direction of accepting a belief system. Each individual chooses their own direction in which they shall address to their individual belief systems to be accepting. No one ďmethodĒ is more efficient than another method. They are merely different choices that different individuals choose.

BOB: So would you say thereís a personal pay-off or an individual pay-off outside of the shift for individuals who manage this, or is it simply being on the team for the shift? (Laughter)

ELIAS: (Grinning) You are all on the team for the shift!

BOB: I know. So you understand my question then, I think.

ELIAS: Quite. There is no ďoutsideĒ of this shift in consciousness, for it has been chosen by you all.

BOB: Okay. Well, let me rephrase the question then. The first accomplishers of acceptance, is there a benefit to them individually outside of the shift?

ELIAS: Quite; for as you are accepting, you are also in this action widening your awareness, and in the action of widening your awareness in any direction, you avail yourself of more of your abilities ... (Bob whispers ďcreativity?Ē) ... and yes, creativity.

BOB: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

NORM: The action of the shift, of going from the concept of separateness to the concept of more inter-relationships, will that affect how we think of a mass event like this? How will that influence how we think about that emotionally and intellectually?

ELIAS: I shall offer you an example. You view presently a mass event, not unlike many, many, many mass events that you have chosen to create within your history. Within this, just as Lawrence has expressed a questioning of the differences in responses to the mass event, there shall be further differences within your shift to mass events; for those individuals that do not align with the mass event shall also hold an understanding and a compassion for the action of whatever is chosen to be expressed within a mass event, and those individuals aligning with the mass event shall understand what they are aligning with.

NORM: For example, if I had gone through the shift and had passed the region of separateness, would I have the ability to have a knowledge, an inter-relationship with her experience?

ELIAS: Absolutely. You shall know the interconnectedness. Mass events do not occur outside of you. Regardless that you feel a response to a mass event, you are a part of the event, for there is no separation. Therefore, you are interconnected.

NORM: Youíre saying thatís true right now.

ELIAS: It is true presently, yes.

NORM: So what is the difference then between before the shift and after the shift in regard to this separateness?

ELIAS: (Smiling) There is no before the shift and after the shift! (Laughter) It is NOW. I continue to express to you in this manner, Stephen, for you continue to allow your thought processes in linear terms of anticipation of the coming of an event. It IS, presently.

NORM: Well, assume ... oh, forget it! (Laughter)

RETA: Iíd like to talk to you a little bit about this mass event. The first response I got from some folks was that, ďWell, itís a shame and I feel badly, but thereís always good out of bad.Ē And then I heard other people saying, ďWell, you have to look for why the whole event had to happen.Ē And so, my instant feelings of course were remorse for someone even saying thereís good out of bad, and I know that youíre going to say something else! But I was trying to look at this mass event and the repercussions, the events that caused the effect, and I know youíre not going to like ďcause and effect!Ē But it could go several ways. It could change Britainís society. It could change the Kingdom. It could change womenís attitudes. It could change the laws on photography. It could change a lot of trickle-down effects to different parts of the mass, some of them good and some of them bad. And some of them will take it up as a standard and find the worst in it, you know. So, my question is, what do you feel was the reason for this event?

ELIAS: It matters not. (Smiling)

RETA: Oh, gosh!

ELIAS: What matters is your response.

RETA: Well, if I were a patron of the British kingdom, I would feel differently than I do here, but my response is that we invade a personís privacy, and that we allow it to happen, and that the person had asked for freedom from that.

ELIAS: And this opportunity presents itself to you, to view your own belief systems.

RETA: Itís okay to invade your privacy? Belief system!

MJ: But celebrities arenít looking for privacy, or they wouldnít be celebrities.

RETA: She asked ... she begged for privacy. I donít know ...

BOB: Except when she wanted media attention, so she went back and forth.

ELIAS: And listen to you all! You are all expressing within the confines of your individual belief systems concerning a mass event. Therefore, I express to you, this offers you the opportunity to look to yourselves and address to your own individual belief systems which are influencing of your behavior and your responses. And there is no right or wrong within your individual responses! Each of you responds in the manner that you choose to respond, and you may question your own responses and your own belief systems in the direction of essence, and how you may more efficiently be connecting with essence and accepting of choices within mass and within the responses of each other.

RETA: Iím very disappointed in the mass.

ELIAS: This be a response within your own belief system. This be your opportunity to examine this and address to this, and be accepting. Even within individuals who view themselves to not hold a response, the lack of a response is a response; and this also is connected to individual belief systems within separation, and lack of acceptance of the mass belief system and the mass event, and the interconnectedness of all essences.

RETA: You probably heard our conversation before you came to visit. The theory is that if we just go ahead and say, ďOkay, itís our belief system individuallyĒ ... one of them believes that she deserved it. Another one believes itís her own fault. I believe she was murdered. Thereís a great feeling that this is a means to desensitize and not worry about others.

ELIAS: This is not the action of acceptance. What occurs within consciousness objectively/subjectively to one, occurs to all. There is no separation. Therefore, the experience of the individual that has chosen is also incorporated within each one of you as if occurring to you, for there is no separation. The affectingness within the mass also is affecting within consciousness with you. There is no separation!

This is your opportunity, once again, to be viewing your own responses and your own belief systems in conjunction with your responses Ė be they emotional or non-emotional, be they a viewing of connectedness or lack of connectedness, be they what you view as a response or not a response. It is all a response, for you all respond to mass events, for they are mirror images of you. I have discussed this previously in depth of mass events and individual events and Source Events, and they are all reflections of each other, and they are all interconnected and intermingled and not separated.

DAVID: Michael responded quite emotionally about this event, and she turned to the group and felt that she wanted them to experience the same response as she was experiencing, and she felt, I guess, hurt or something. But she felt she didnít get the same response, and she was confused why she didnít get the same response from any of the group.

ELIAS: In this situation, this moves into other areas with Michael. He views this phenomenon differently than do other individuals, and holds a tremendous responsibility in feeling to this phenomenon, this energy exchange. Therefore, he is continuously evaluating the affectingness of this energy exchange upon other individuals. This be an issue that Michael holds individually, in that he views his own tremendous feeling of responsibility. Therefore, this response be different in certain aspects. The response that he holds to the mass event are the responses that he has always held to mass events; and in this also, he may be attempting the same action that I pose to all of you, in evaluating his own response within the confines of his own belief systems and offering himself the opportunity to view and to be accepting.

This is not to say, as I have expressed to Siman, that you must be altering your feelings or your opinion. It is merely offering you another opportunity to be accepting of your own belief systems. You provide yourselves with many opportunities individually and en masse; and when you are expressing mass events, you offer yourselves much greater objective imagery that is quite obvious to you, and allowing yourselves to be connecting with belief systems and acceptance and evaluation much more easily, for they are mass events. They are not your individual issues.

DAVID: So will this major shift in consciousness ever reach a point where it will become a public mass event?

ELIAS: As you choose to actualize this, yes; this being the reason that you been offered a time framework and a proximity to a date of the entire actualization of your shift.

VICKI: Iíd like to ask a question about responses. For example, there are people who pretty consistently respond to mass events such as this with an emotional response, within sadness or anger or similar emotional responses. People like Mary and Reta Ė thatís part of the conversation we just had Ė seem to have a consistency in this response. And thereís people like myself and Ron who seem to have a consistency throughout their focus of not responding in this manner to these types of mass events that arenít personally affecting, and Iím curious. It seems to me, like you were talking about ... each response is a mass response.

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: Iím curious what the most affecting belief systems are in each scenario, or is that too general of a question? Is it so individual that it canít be answered on that level?

ELIAS: The response is affected by belief systems, but it is more of an affectingness from your misinterpretation. One faction aligns with the expression of the mass event within a response and feelings, recognizing the lack of separation subjectively and therefore responding, but misinterpreting and not allowing for the acceptance of the belief systems involved, and not holding to the individuality.

VICKI: Of themselves?

ELIAS: Correct. Within the other faction, the individuals hold to the individuality, also do not entirely connect with the belief systems involved, but identify with the separation. Therefore, you see your opposite scenarios. One faction holds to the separation and does not allow the awareness of the interconnectedness, therefore holds no objective response or feeling. One holds not to the separation and allows for the interconnectedness, but does not allow for the individuality. So, you create differences within responses.

Therefore, I express to you that each expression is a mass event, and also that each expression within each mass event needs be evaluated and addressed individually within identification of the belief systems; and in this there shall be an allowance of balance, that you may retain the individuality, but also you may allow the interconnectedness of the mass expression and allow the feeling, which is the basis of your dimension, in conjunction also with sexual orientation.

VICKI: So for myself personally, who normally doesnít respond emotionally to these types of events Ė sometimes I do, but not for the most part Ė I can look at that as imagery of my own very strong belief systems of separation, and how influencing they are of my responses?

ELIAS: Correct. I express to you each presently, we shall break and you may continue with your questioning.

BREAK 7:26 PM.
RESUME 7:55 PM. (Time was five seconds.)

ELIAS: Continuing.

CATHY: So is the consensus correct that if youíre dealing with your own personal issues when one of these mass events happens, itís affecting your response?

ELIAS: Yes. You may be responding more extremely in whichever direction you are choosing to be responding. This, as I have stated, would be equal within your lack of response as within what you view to be a response. Both are a response.

BOB: Are there individuals who have more of a balanced response, that arenít antithesis of each other?

ELIAS: Yes.

VICKI: The intensity is something to look at though, correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: So in that, that was the question that Mary asked me to phrase for her: Why was her response so intense?

ELIAS: This, as I have stated, also involves this energy exchange and the issue of responsibility within this energy exchange, and Michaelís automatic response in feeling this responsibility and not accepting and trusting that it matters not.

CATHY: So is my belief system connected to this thing, the belief in separation ... that Iíve always been by myself and donít really care about what happens and that kind of stuff?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: So I just need to be accepting of that? íCause Iím not accepting that, obviously! (Laughing)

ELIAS: This would be so very easy, would it not, Shynla?

CATHY: Itís the black sheep thing, you know!

ELIAS: Ah, quite. There are no black sheep within the meaning that you attach to!

BOB: Right. Of course not.

ELIAS: You may be inquiring of Siman, for he is so very wide!

BOB: Yeah, Iím giving private sessions now. I have an opening on Thursday. (Laughter)

ELIAS: Very good! I shall not be interrupting of this! (Grinning)

DAVID: I have a question, personally. Today Iíve been feeling very much different than my normal self, and itís a nice feeling! (Laughter) I was wondering where it comes from because itís been all day, and usually these nice feelings last a couple of hours maybe, and then Iím back on the wave of my emotions. Somehow, Iíve felt like this all day and itís nice, but I donít want it to just be a fleeting thing. Whatís happening?

ELIAS: (Grinning) Therefore, choose this!

DAVID: Okay, I choose it! But can you tell me where itís coming from?

ELIAS: You! (We all crack up)

DAVID: Is it because I am widening? (Elias cracks up)

ELIAS: This is quite amusing, Mylo! You may be acknowledging of yourself, and I shall acknowledge you also; for as with you all, you seem to accept the acknowledgment of this essence much more than your own acknowledgment of your own self!

DAVID: Oh, big time!

ELIAS: Very good!

DAVID: Big time! But itís like, thatís a hard one to try and ... itís like Iím sifting through meanings or stuff to get to where the cause of it is coming from.

ELIAS: Anticipate!

DAVID: I mean, have you not heard me in my private times asking Elias for help?

ELIAS: Quite!

DAVID: And?

ELIAS: And you do not allow the listening in return!

DAVID: Well, then Iím not aware of it, because Iím flapping my ears!

ELIAS: You need merely be trusting in self, and you shall hear.

DAVID: Okay.

ELIAS: I express to you that this essence, as all essences, is not intrusive. Therefore, there shall be no movement into areas that you do not allow.

DAVID: Okay. I should work on the knowing of my awareness, so that I can allow it to happen.

CATHY: Call me when it does, would you? (Much laughter)

ELIAS: We continue with Shynla within your physical time framework of two years presently! Therefore, I am acknowledging of Mylo and your movement. (To Cathy) Shynla! (Laughter) And I shall be continuing to be waiting within your dream state for the allowance!

CATHY: Cool!

ELIAS: Without the shutting out, so to speak, within merely one partial sentence!

CATHY: Hey, if I was objectively aware I was doing that, I wouldnít do it!

ELIAS: It matters not.

CATHY: It matters not, huh?

ELIAS: Your subjective and your objective move in harmony.

CATHY: Well, Iím in such harmony now that I just donít understand why itís not happening right now! (Laughter)

ELIAS: A well-orchestrated piece! (Chuckling) But as I challenge, you may also move.

CATHY: Okay. Iím working on it.

ELIAS: Very good. (Looking at Mike) Yes?

MIKE: Do you feel that as individuals, we have a capacity for acceptance at any given point in time, or is that a belief system in itself?

ELIAS: You absolutely hold the capacity.

MIKE: Of total acceptance?

ELIAS: Yes.

MIKE: Then the things as an individual that I find hard to accept have to do just solely with my belief systems?

ELIAS: Absolutely. All of the elements that you are not accepting of are directly related to your perception, which is created by your belief systems.

BOB: You said that nobody on the planet has accepted any belief systems at this point.

ELIAS: Quite. (Humorously) I shall be informing you at the very first individual that shall be expressing the acceptance of the very first belief system! (Laughter)

BOB: Could be me! You never know! (Laughter) Am I in the running?

ELIAS: Absolutely, as you all are.

BOB: Okay. What was the question? I canít remember what it was now! (Laughter) No, what the question was, we come to this group, we listen to the information, we evaluate it objectively, we seek to allow the balance of our subjective and objective to move us into widening and acceptance and all these things, right? But we still arenít doing it.

ELIAS: You ARE accomplishing.

BOB: Is it possible for someone who is not availing themselves of this information to move into acceptance of belief systems spontaneously or as a natural action of the shift, outside of reading and listening to essences such as yourself?

ELIAS: Yes.

BOB: Okay. So if one of those people does that first, weíre going to be really pissed! (We all crack up) Now would that be a belief system???

ELIAS: This would be an objective response! (Grinning)

BOB: Okay, right. Iím feeling rather objective tonight!

RETA: But you talk about acceptance of belief systems, and weíre all trying and striving to get to the acceptance of belief systems, and every one of us is accepting in a different manner. So on a score, itís difficult even to imagine what acceptance is, because everyone of us has so many in such a variety of shapes and forms that ... okay, Iím going to say I accept this one belief system. Now I get into that ďright and wrong.Ē Is acceptance a knowing? I cannot accept ... whoops!

BOB: There you go!

RETA: Itís difficult to accept some of the belief systems that others will! I mean, this isnít me. And so ...

ELIAS: This be a belief system also!

RETA: (Sighing) Yes ... Okay, if Siman accepts ...

ELIAS: You are essence. Siman is essence. You are all the same within consciousness. Your objective belief systems may differ, but the action of acceptance is the same, and you are the same within essence.

RETA: Iím trying to even get down to fathoming what acceptance would really mean. Because if Norm has an acceptance, and you finally agree that he has an acceptance, and it differs from mine, I will say, ďWell, maybe Iím wrong then, because he finally made it!Ē Itís difficult to even fathom the differences. Youíve said many times, acceptance is just acknowledging, and you can still have your opinion. I understand that, but I have a very difficult time trying to figure out how we could all come to an acceptance Ė and itís not going to be a consensus Ė and not have a little version of right and wrong in there.

ELIAS: If you are accepting, you eliminate the right and the wrong.

RETA: Okay. Iím gonna make that my belief system.

ELIAS: Ah, Dehl shall create a new belief system in conjunction to right and wrong!

RETA: Thatís a difficult one for me.

ELIAS: I express to you, you are not eliminating belief systems. You shall continue to hold your own individual opinions for yourself individually, but you shall also place no judgment upon another individual and their creation of their reality. Just as I have expressed within our last session , you may continue to hold an opinion and objectify within your individual choices.

RETA: I understand what you said. Iím working on it.

ELIAS: Therefore, you may even continue to hold your individual opinion of right and wrong, but not hold judgment upon another individualís creation of their reality.

RETA: I can work with that.

ELIAS: Therefore, you may hold your own opinion of right and wrong and another individual may be objectively creating what you continue to hold in opinion as wrong, but you shall not be affected, for it shall matter not to you.

RETA: Well now, isnít that sort of a method of desensitizing me?

ELIAS: No; for within essence, you hold an understanding that all is affecting of all. What you create is affecting of all, and what each other creates is affecting of you and of all.

RETA: Well, we get back to this thing with Diana, okay? Iím saying that ... alright, itís just words. Iím not sure I feel this, but Iím saying, ďOkay, it wasnít right or wrong. My opinion is wrong, but I accept that.Ē And doesnít that give license to other people to do the same thing?

ELIAS: No; for as you are accepting and affecting within yourself, you are lending energy to the accomplishment within all others.

RETA: Well, in our history, recent history even, when we have something like that happen Ė for instance, in the Heavenís Gate experience and the Waco experiences and so on Ė another will happen right away because these people have not changed their ... even though Iíve given energy to doing it in a correct way, they still are accelerated in energy by the experience and do that anyway!

ELIAS: It matters not. It is their choice.

RETA: Thatís the part thatís difficult Ė it matters not. Because I wouldnít want that ...

ELIAS: This is the accepting element.

RETA: But I wouldnít want anyone to think that I said, ďOkay, I accept that. You can go murder somebody else and I accept that, but my opinion is, I wouldnít do it.Ē Thatís very difficult for me, to work through that.

ELIAS: This may be your beginning point which you were asking for at our last meeting. (Pause)

VICKI: I have a few questions for some other people: One, regarding this incident weíve been discussing this evening, for Sena, who had a response that was unusual for her. I donít believe I would put it in terms of being similar to an extreme response in the way weíve been talking about the two extremes tonight, but she had yet a different kind of a response within some sort of feeling of a connection that sheís curious about, and had an impression that it was maybe some sort of counterpart action. (Pause)

ELIAS: (Accessing) Counterpart action is involved, although not with the individual in question, but within other individuals and their responses. Therefore, there is an affectingness. This individual feels certain connections and is attempting to identify this in the relation to counterpart action. In actuality, this is a bleed-through which has been allowed to be partially occurring for a time period, in a recognition of feelings and experiences that this individual holds itself in essence within another focus. Therefore, objectively, presently there is a recognition of the feelings and experiences with individuals that this individual identifies as being public figures.

VICKI: I donít really understand that, but Iíll tell her. I have a few other questions for people in puterland, briefly. For Cath, to check her impression of belonging to the Ilda family, being aligned with Milumet. (Here, Elias clears his throat)

ELIAS: Excuse. Michael is ďpoking.Ē I shall return momentarily ...

VICKI: (Laughing) Alrighty!

ELIAS: ... for I shall be addressing to this issue.

VICKI: (Still laughing) Okay!

Here, Mary pops back in at 8:18 PM. I rarely transcribe non-session conversation, but this is an interesting part of the phenomenon.

MARY: (Rubbing her face) Gee, were we gone thirty seconds?

VICKI: What were you doing?

MARY: (Coughing) I was ... I donít know! I was ... just trying to push in a little closer! (Mary and Vic are cracking up)

RETA: He said Michael was ďpushingĒ or ďperking.Ē What did he say?

VICKI: Poking ...

MARY: (Laughing) Iíll just stand in the wave, okay? How boring. Okay, bye again! Sorry! (Laughing)

VICKI: This wasnít as bad as intentionally ...

MARY: No, I wasnít doing that! I wasnít doing that! I learned! Iím not doing it again! Bye! (This is in reference to an incident in Ď95, when Mary was viewing her energy centers during a session and started poking the blue one, causing much choking!)

ELIAS: Continuing, once again! (at 8:21 PM.)

VICKI: Do you want me to rephrase the question? (Elias nods) Okay, for Cath, her impression is that she is of the Ilda family and aligned with Milumet.

ELIAS: (Accessing) A subdivision of Milumet. The challenge is offered to be connecting with this!

VICKI: And for Debbie, belonging to Sumari and aligned with Ilda.

ELIAS: (Accessing) Belonging to Sumari, and fluctuating at times, so to speak, with Sumafi.

VICKI: And the alignment is correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: And one other question, from Forrest: ďI have been working on issues involving communication, cooperation and isolation. Like everybody else, I want or need a certain balance between having my own space, and having meaningful and intimate contact with others. The issue seems to be that I am or I feel too isolated, particularly at the personal level, because the way that I think and am is so much different than others. The isolation seems to be adversely affecting the emotional quality of my life and the richness of my dreams. What I want to know is, what specifically is causing the problem and how can this be changed without having to give up other qualities that I like? How can I increase the quality and the richness of my life and my dreams and my being without having to give up valued aspects of my life, my dreams, or my being?Ē

ELIAS: Address to the belief system which is affecting. In this, the individual holds a belief system that is creating of this isolation. The belief system is that which deals with the image that the individual holds of self. This individual has created an element of separation in viewing self as different. I have discussed this issue with Lanyah previously. As you look to yourself and your abilities and you separate yourself in viewing that other individuals view you differently, you create a separation and you create belief systems around this separation. This individual views their own expression as different, and therefore inadequate; not fitting into the mass-accepted reality. Therefore, this offers this individual the comfort area of isolating; but within much time period of this experience within this isolation and this creation, the individual also experiences discomfort in this choice but continues within this choice, for this allows the comfort area of affording the individual their own space, so to speak. But there is no space arrangement that is not occupied by all other essences! It is merely a perception which is allowed and brought about through a belief system of separation and differences to other individuals.

I have expressed this issue also with Olivia, in viewing a separation in differences in choices to be objectified, and viewing that other individuals do not choose the same objectifications. Therefore, the individual views themselves as different, and creates this situation of separation; this being the issue with Olivia in relation to energy exchange with my dear friend, and with Lanyah within her expression of artistic abilities. This is a creation of the individual solely.

VICKI: Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. (Pause) Are you wishing of more questions this evening?

BOB: Yeah. What, if any, connection do I have to an artist named MacIntosh?

ELIAS: (Accessing) This may prove interesting to you! In the terms that you are inquiring, you hold no connection Ė although I express that you are all connected within essence Ė but you have begun an allowance subjectively which bleeds-through in small amounts objectively to a world view.

BOB: What does that mean??? (Laughter)

ELIAS: Individuals at times, infrequently Ė as this individual has inquired of world views (Forrest) Ė may tap subjectively into an area of consciousness where a world view has been deposited by an individual focus of an essence. This has been objectively described previously as Ė figuratively -- a library or a museum that you may access that holds energy deposits containing the world view of the individual. You may access this and therefore allow information or experiences or feelings to be bleeding-through, or all of these to be bleeding-through.

BOB: Bleeding through from previous focuses?

ELIAS: Merely from the area of consciousness which contains the energy deposit of the world view. Therefore, you access the entirety of the individual.

BOB: Wouldnít that be more significant, the way youíve described it, if I was tapping into that or bleeding-through to it subjectively as opposed to objectively?

ELIAS: Correct, although it does bleed-through objectively. Therefore, you are aware of this.

BOB: Because obviously I saw some works of this person, and I felt somehow moved by it or connected to it.

ELIAS: This is your objective awareness of the subjective connection with the world view of this individual.

BOB: Okay. Thatís cool!

DAVID: In the past transcripts, thereís a lot of information that has led me investigate my connection with you. For some reason, as a hobby, I choose now to lend some time to know more about Paul, and I want to know how or where I can start this investigation ... if you might give me a clue?

ELIAS: I shall not! (Much laughter) I shall express to you to discontinue your investigation of Paul and Elias, and begin your investigation of Mylo!

DAVID: Of Mylo? Okay ... (Laughing)

ELIAS: And discontinue your distraction!

DAVID: I was just going to say that, that I was going to use that as a distraction.

ELIAS: Very good!

DAVID: Well, I must not like Mylo, because I donít seem to want to go there.

ELIAS: You may be surprising yourself! You may view a very interesting essence!

DAVID: Okay, then. You have given me a kick-start. Thank you.

VICKI: Iíd like to have the essence name of the new person.

ELIAS: (Accessing) Shaife. S-H-A-I-F-E. (Pronounced ďShaveĒ)

NORM: I guess I would like to ask a question in regard to my relationship, outside of linear time, with Charles.

ELIAS: Investigate! (Laughter) You hold the ability!

NORM: Okay.

ELIAS: I shall continue to challenge you, Stephen, as I continue to challenge Shynla! You DO hold the ability. Explore within your new game!

CATHY: Oh, that game!

ELIAS: Shynlaís favorite new game! You hold the ability!

RETA: Would that be in lucid dreaming?

ELIAS: You may be connecting in this manner if you are so choosing, although you may be offering yourself the opportunity within your new game more easily initially. (The new game being a ďpast-life regression,Ē or what we call a TFE)

RETA: Is Charles Sumafi?

ELIAS: (Accessing) No.

CATHY: Well, I have a question. So have most of us or all of us viewed other focuses of ourselves in this dimension here?

ELIAS: Yes.

CATHY: We just didnít know it, huh?

ELIAS: Yes. You do view within your dream state

CATHY: Well, Iím talking about like objectively.

ELIAS: You DO remember. Therefore, you have viewed objectively.

CATHY: Well, I donít get that, but Iíll ask Vicki later! (Laughter)

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Lawrence is so very helpful!

VICKI: Especially with that dream state stuff!

ELIAS: (To Vicki) And how be your extraterrestrials?

VICKI: I guess theyíre just fine! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Still swimming? (Chuckling)

VICKI: Um-hmm!

ELIAS: Very well. I shall be disengaging this evening. I hold great affection for these essences within this company. You are QUITE amusing, and very entertaining! (Laughter) I express to you each much lovingness, and I shall be anticipating our next meeting. Therefore, this evening I bid you all quite affectionately, au revoir!

Elias departs at 8:39 PM.


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