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Sunday, November 16, 1997

<  Session 238 (Group/Castaic)  >

“Dream Walker Interaction/Vold”

Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), Ron (Olivia), Cathy (Shynla), Jim (Yarr), Linda (Mareau), Gail (William), Bobbi (Jale), Sue (Catherine), Drew (Matthew), Norm (Stephen), and four new participants, Lisa (Behal), LaJoy (Rene’), Sue (Alex), and visiting from England, Rob (Mendoe).

Vic’s note: For the record, I would like to note that preceding this evening’s session, Mary spoke to the group about how pressured she feels by certain individuals who want her to move into areas of pushing herself and these sessions into the public eye, so to speak. She made a statement that she isn’t ready to move in this direction, at least not in the manner that is being presented by some folks. This does not mean that Mary is not open to any and all suggestions and offers of helpfulness; in fact, quite the opposite. Mary very much appreciates all of the support and energy that has been offered. There are just some folks that appear to have their own agenda, without much understanding of how Mary feels personally about these sessions and how affecting they are of her in all capacities.

Elias arrives at 7:07 PM. (Time was twenty seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening. We shall begin with our game this evening! (Pause, and then to Drew) Shall you enter??

DREW: I am unprepared! I’ll see if something occurs to me in the next couple of minutes.

ELIAS: Tsk, tsk. (Laughter)

CATHY: Okay, I have one for Elizabeth: Zuli, rituals, exercising.

ELIAS: Less probable.

CATHY: I also have one for David: New category; astrological signs.


CATHY: Sumari, Capricorn.

ELIAS: Express to Mylo, too grounded.

CATHY: Oh, okay. I’ll do that. Okay, I am going to ...

ELIAS: (To Drew) Hint!

DREW: Too grounded is a hint for me! Okay.

CATHY: Those beatitude things! (Laughter) I’m going to enter them in the game and I would like to connect Milumet with the sixth, which is, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.”

ELIAS: One point.

VICKI: Okay, I’d like to continue in that particular category for some other people.

ELIAS: Ah! Sparking interest! You may enter one point for Bosht!

VICKI: Okay. This particular entry would be for him: The seventh, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God,” Gramada.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: Okay, for Margot: The second, “Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted,” Vold.

ELIAS: One point.

VICKI: Okay, for Paul: The third, “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth,” Borledim.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: For Joanne: The first, “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven,” Zuli.

ELIAS: One point.

VICKI: Let’s see. For myself: The eighth, “Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” (Pause) Ilda. Excuse me!

ELIAS: One point.

VICKI: I’m getting confused. And ...

ELIAS: Ah! You have connected well with these beatitudes, as you were viewing that they were unimportant!

VICKI: Most certainly so! I was viewing that. For Mary: Tumold, gods, Mohammed.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: Okay, I think that’s it.

RON: I don’t have any good Jesus junk to do, but ... (We all crack up)

ELIAS: How very disappointing!

RON: I know! For me, mostly.

ELIAS: Very much so!

RON: Milumet, inventions, the wheel.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: I have one more for Melinda. My notes are real scattered here. The fourth, “Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled,” Sumari.

ELIAS: Re-evaluate.

VICKI: Sumafi.

ELIAS: One point.

VICKI: Okay, that’s it.

JIM: I have one from quite some time ago. Ilda, sports, handball.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

BOBBI: Can there be a new category of letters of the alphabet?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing.

BOBBI: The letter X with Sumafi.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

BOBBI: Could I go again? (Laughter)

ELIAS: One point, as you all have agreed upon! You may be reserving your next entry for our next meeting.

BOBBI: Okay, I will!

ELIAS: This be your agreement. (One entry per person per session )

Very well! We shall continue with our discussion of your Dream Walkers this evening.

I shall be welcoming to new essences this evening!

Within the family of Vold, the interaction of the Dream Walkers, within the comparison to this phenomenon that you view or this that you classify as a phenomenon, the Vold are those that are quite revolutionary, as you are well-accustomed to. These individuals are moving in new directions and initiating of movement into new areas within your physical reality. They are what you may view as changers, or the beginners of changers. Unlike the Sumari, who are also changers, they are merely initiators of change.

In this, as you view individuals among you that are aligned with this family, you may also be amused with the interaction of the Dream Walkers with these individuals of Vold. Unlike those of Milumet that may be connecting with visions of angels or what they term to be heavenly beings or connecting with your earth and your plant life or creatures which speak to them, and also unlike the Gramada which derives their information from inspiration through their own thoughts, the Vold hear voices, (grinning) appearing to their peers as being quite within the throes of lunacy, for they hear audibly instruction from those essences which are the Dream Walkers. Therefore, they are also inspired, but they may express to other individuals that they have in actuality held communication audibly with some other source outside of themselves, in their terms. In this, they have been inspired to create movement.

I shall express to you that your individual of Joan of Arc, which you view within your history, is one of these individuals; not in actuality visited by an entity or an essence or an angel or any other definable being, so to speak, but listening to audible communication which was instructive in certain directions to be initiating of actions to be revolutionizing the era. In this, there have been many individuals throughout your history that you may notice as hearing voices to themselves and following the instruction of these voices and also altering your reality and your creation of your reality, initiating revolutionary actions that are very instrumental in altering the course of your histories. In this, the Vold is quite interactive presently. Within the action of this shift, voices from beyond are speaking to these individuals continuously, offering information to be revolutionizing your reality within this present now. Much action is being accomplished in regard to the individuals that belong to the Vold family in conjunction with the Borledim, but their information shall be acquired differently. They (Vold) shall be listening to these voices.

They are not the same as what I have expressed to you as your inner voices. This is connected merely to yourselves. Your inner voices are your essence speaking to you. These voices that these individuals within the Vold family audibly hear are voices that manifest to be instructing of these individuals to be furthering of the action of this shift, for the Vold family are quite interactive and also initiating of this shift in consciousness that you now experience.

The Vold family are what you within physical reality might view as peculiar. They are the different individuals. They hold great connection with the reality, within your dimension, of emotion. They are quite connected with its creation and its intricacy within your reality. They feel tremendously. They communicate within this feeling-tone. In this, oftentimes they are also viewed outside, slightly, of your officially accepted reality; the dramatists; those individuals that strive within their intents for creating great drama, this being the motivating force behind their revolutionary qualities -- their thirst for ultimate drama.

Drama is an element of your reality within this dimension. It is an extreme of exploration of your reality, of your emotional qualities within this dimension. You have created this dimension with a base element of emotion, and in this you strive to explore all of the elements of emotion. Other dimensions do not hold this quality. Some hold the quality to a degree, but not to the degree that you create within this particular dimension and reality. Therefore, your essence seeks to explore all that is explorable within this avenue.

Essence seeks as consciousness seeks, to continuously be within a state of becoming and exploration, exploring all possibilities that may be for any possible reality. Therefore, there are endless probabilities in the creation of every reality. I have expressed to you previously that this reality that you occupy within this physical focus is quite complex. You have chosen to be creating of a reality that holds many elements that may be explored. One of these elements is the element of emotion, which as I have stated is one of your baselines of this particular reality.

In this, the Vold family is quite concentrated on the exploration of this particular avenue. It is initiating of movement throughout the other essence families, of which you all belong. In this, the movement of the Vold family is also moving of all of you, for you respond to their action just as any action of any essence family is moving of all of you, and you respond within essence and within your individual focuses to the call, so to speak. In this, the Vold family moves intensively in this present now, and has been throughout your century. The action of the Vold family shall taper off, in your terms, as you move into your coming century. Their initiation shall have been completed.

You are entering the end throes of this present century. Much emotional charge has been initiated by this family of Vold already throughout this present century. They have been initiating of much movement. Many voices have spoken to many individuals to be creating of many wondrous events within this present century. Now you shall be moving into your coming century, in which the Borledim family shall become more forefront. In cooperation with the Vold, they shall be initiating of the actions that shall be forthcoming.

I am understanding that this may be appearing to be inconsistent. You view the Borledim family as being that of the earth stock; that of the nurturers, not those of science. I am understanding that you view your coming century as being quite influenced by your Gramada family, which shall play a part in the events that shall be forthcoming within the most probable probabilities, but it shall be this family of the Borledim that shall be initiating of the actions and events that shall be forthcoming within their intent. This be the reason that your nine small ones have emerged presently within the end throes of this century, to be moving into the action of your next century and moving into the action of the accomplishment of your shift.

Therefore, as you encounter individuals that are belonging to the Vold family – not necessarily aligned with the Vold, but those individuals that are belonging to the Vold family – you may cease with your amazement that they may be expressing to you futurely that they are receiving instruction from voices from beyond. They may express that they are audibly receiving instruction from extraterrestrials, for this be a very large focus of you all presently, but there is no extraterrestrial action occurring within these messages. It is merely an interaction of essences no different from that which you view within this phenomenon. Do not discount what you yourselves experience or what others experience either, for you all shall be experiencing much more within consciousness objectively and subjectively as you move more fully into the action of this shift.

You may ask your questions, if you are so disposed. (Pause, grinning) Yes, Lawrence?

VICKI: I don’t have a question about the information that was just delivered. I have some questions for some other people, but I would prefer to give everybody else an opportunity.

ELIAS: Very well.

DREW: I have a question. When we hear people like the Son of Sam say he got information from his dog to murder, or when Charles Manson says he heard in the song Helter Skelter instructions to murder, is that the same action or is that something different?

ELIAS: It is the same. You merely hold belief systems that express to you that this is wrong.

DREW: So would that make Son of Sam Milumet? (???)


DREW: (Laughing) Okay!

ELIAS: Although I may also express to you that the information that is delivered may also be misinterpreted at times – not always, but at times – just as YOU may misinterpret the information that you receive within this forum!

DREW: Is that what happened in that case?

ELIAS: No. Revolutionary.

DREW: Oh. Is that Vold? That’s ...

ELIAS: Vold.

DREW: So even though the voice came through an animal, it was still the audible voice that was the connection that makes it Vold?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: So he aligns with (belongs to) the Vold family?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: So is that a game entry? Do I get a point?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing!

DREW: I am! (Laughter)

ELIAS: Where shall you enter this? Serial killers? (Much laughter)

DREW: How about newsmakers?

ELIAS: Acceptable. (Grinning) We should not be wishing to enter a game category of serial killers! This may be appearing a little radical ... although it would be acceptable!

LINDA: So the people that we see sometimes on street corners talking to themselves, or so it would appear, they would be the Vold too? If they’re hearing voices and they’re responding to the voices verbally and having conversations out loud?

ELIAS: At times.

LINDA: They’re also just a little bit cuckoo and nuts? (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ah! Interesting terminology, once again! No, they are not at times a little bit ... (Elias scrunches up his face, searching for the word Linda just used)

LINDA: Crazy? (Somebody says “cuckoo”)

ELIAS: ... cuckoo! (Grinning widely, and we all crack up at his pronunciation of “cuckoo”)

They may be responding to essence. I have expressed to these individuals that there is in reality no lunacy. Individuals may be choosing an alternate direction in their reality and may be choosing to be connecting subjectively within objective reality more than you within your officially accepted reality, but they ARE connecting with essence – and not necessarily with another essence – within the interaction of the Vold family.

LINDA: Okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

NORM: But would it be a high probability that heads of governments around the world would be in the Vold family today?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. In actuality, more than not, individuals of the Vold family are not aligned with government positions. They are more within the positions of overthrowing your government positions!

NORM: And some of them did. Was Castro one of them?

ELIAS: No. Individuals that seek to undermine this individual are aligned with the Vold.

VICKI: I do have one question about this. This doesn’t mean that just people that are of the Vold family that are walking around hearing voices, that those are the only people that are going to be hearing voices? In other words, if I have an experience where I’m hearing voices, I could possibly interpret that, at some times, as an interaction with the Vold family in some sense?

ELIAS: Correct; or it may be an interaction with essence.

VICKI: Right. But these descriptions and explanations that you are giving recently about these families don’t just apply to each individual person.

ELIAS: Absolutely correct. It is not a rule. It is a generality that you may look to and attach to within your history of mass events and main actions that you recall within your history, to offer you information.

ROB: In a story in the Bible, sometimes people hear a voice. Like the child Samuel hears a voice and gets up and says, “Speak, Lord, your servant is listening.” Would that be an interpretation of a Vold hearing a voice?

ELIAS: Yes. Not all of the interpretations of audibly hearing a voice is an interpretation of Vold, but within certain situations – within movement and altering situations that ultimately cause, in your terms only, an alteration of your reality and your probabilities – this would be an interaction of the Vold family. When you view situations of revolutionary action which occur in response to this voice, this would be an indication of the Vold family as Dream Walkers interacting with you.

LAJOY: Would this also apply to the likes of Marianne Williamson or The Course In Miracles? Vold doesn’t necessarily have to be bad or good. It covers a lot of extremes, yes?

ELIAS: Correct. This would not be the case with this individual, but you are correct in your assessment. It is not connected with bad or good. It is merely an action that is creating of a revolutionary action within mass.

We shall break, and you may continue with your questions.

BREAK 7:44 PM.
RESUME 8:03 PM. (Time was nine seconds.)

ELIAS: Continuing.

BOBBI: I have a question about the subgroups of families. Is that like an overlapping of intent of different families, or is it a refinement of the intent of that particular family?

ELIAS: It is merely a differentiation within the intent of the family; a focused area of an aspect of the intent.

BOBBI: Okay. Could you tell me the intent then of the Gramalda family? I’m still figuring out which offspring ...

ELIAS: This would be, as with all subdivisions, within the intent of the Gramada family, but a more defined area of the intent. In this, this particular subdivision would be more defined in the area of defining ideas for invention.

BOBBI: Okay, thank you. Is there a Gramaille subdivision of the Gramada family?

ELIAS: Correct.

LINDA: I have a question. It seems like some people are really starting to focus on the solar eclipse for February 26th next year, as far as that being a potential start of a major consciousness shift or something of that sort. Could you comment on that?

ELIAS: This would be your creation en masse. You shall be creating, within your most probable probabilities, many mass events that shall be significant to you. Among these also shall be your alignment of planets, which is directly orchestrated by yourselves. These shall all be turning points, so to speak, within elements of your shift. They shall be signals to yourselves of coming together within consciousness to strengthen your creating within your direction of this shift in consciousness.

LINDA: Do these create kind of a similar situation as the joy does, where there’s a thinner energy to penetrate?

ELIAS: Correct. You are lending energy in aligning with each other within energy in creating alternate probabilities within your shift, not the probabilities of your prophecies.

LINDA: Okay ... and some people are starting to say that more people will reach the fourth dimension during some of this shift. Is that something that we’re creating as our own belief system, or is that something that is happening?

ELIAS: You hold four dimensions already, within this one dimension! (Grinning)

LINDA: But we aren’t accessing of the fourth dimension consciously yet, are we?

ELIAS: Yes, you are.

LINDA: Okay. On a regular basis or just an intermediate basis?

ELIAS: Continuously, within your objective awareness.

LINDA: All of us or just some of us?

ELIAS: All of you.

LAJOY: Would it be more so the fifth dimension that she might be thinking of, when that shift occurs?

ELIAS: Let me express to you that within your metaphysical belief systems, you separate into what you term to be fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and beyond dimensions. You access presently four dimensional qualities within this one particular dimension of reality physically. As you are accessing of what you THINK of as other dimensions, they are not planes of reality of more knowingness. They are merely sideways-accessing of other dimensions. Therefore, you may assign terms to these as fifth or beyond dimensions, but they are merely an awareness of accessing those dimensions that exist parallel to you physically, that you may enter into an awareness of their reality. Therefore, it is not a situation of moving “higher,” in your terms, for I have expressed to you previously, you are your highest expression already. You merely move sideways in accessing all that is available to you. Therefore, in accessing what you term to be a fifth dimension, you are not moving to what you term within your metaphysics as a higher plane. You are moving sideways and accessing more of your reality, more of the reality of consciousness that is available to you.

Your fifth dimension, as you may term this to be, shall not be your higher plane of consciousness, but your awareness of other physical realities that you hold the ability to have an awareness of. Therefore, as you move into this accessible area, you shall allow yourself the awareness in reality – underline in reality – that other physical dimensions exist and that you may access these at will with ease. You may move into these other areas of physical dimensions, and you may temporarily – underline this word also – be interacting with these other areas of physical reality within other dimensions. You do not quite understand, as of this present now, that all of these realities, all of these areas of consciousness, exist alongside of yourselves simultaneous to yourselves, and not above or below you. They are merely sideways from you. You need be only stepping sideways to be opening your awareness to these other areas of consciousness, be they non-physical or physical realities.

LISA: I have a question. Can you explain to me a bit about karma? I was brought up to believe that there is such a thing.

ELIAS: This is a very common belief system within your reality presently. As you have moved into this century and the beginning throes of your shift in consciousness, you have developed new belief systems which suggest to you alternates for those religious belief systems that you have held for many centuries. You view these to be new enlightened belief systems, although you do not believe that they ARE belief systems.

In actuality, there is no karma. There is no moving from one focus to another focus. There is no repaying of debt. There is no consequence for your action within one focus. The only consequence that occurs within any focus for action incurred is that consequence that you draw to yourself for your own information within one particular focus.

All focuses are simultaneous. Therefore, you are not reborn. You are a new creation in yourself, and shall never be recreated into another creation. You may create an aspect of yourself that shall continue within physical focus, but it shall be its own creation and it shall also be a new creation. You are not used parts! (Laughter) You are continuously creating anew.

YOU are YOU. And you, as a focus of essence, experience within a physical focus, and in completing your experience within a physical focus shall move beyond physical focus and continue within your exploration of self within other areas. You may choose to be exploring another physical focus within another dimension, but you shall not repeat this physical focus within this dimension, for this would be pointless. You have already experienced, within your countless amounts of counterparts and focuses within this dimension, all that that you need be experiencing within this dimension. Therefore, you hold wondrous areas to be exploring within consciousness beyond this one particular dimension and focus.

There is no element that you need be repaying or holding an element of cause and effect within this particular dimension. It is merely one focus of your essence, and in this you manifest to experience, to explore. There is no right and wrong within consciousness. All is an experience. Therefore, what need be repaid? It is merely your own belief systems that dictate to you that you hold karmic debt.

LINDA: Elias, I was understanding that karma was just simply action – good, bad, whatever – just action. If I was to throw this pen, it has to land. It’s just action and the effect of that action, not necessarily good, bad, payment, repayment.

ELIAS: This also is cause and effect. If you are to throw your pen, you hold an expectation that it must land.

LINDA: Exactly.

ELIAS: Therefore, it does; for within mass belief systems, you hold expectations of cause and effect. This is not truth. This is merely belief systems within your particular dimension.

LINDA: But since it is a belief system, it really makes it part of our reality since we all believe in it.

ELIAS: Yes. It IS your reality, and you shall throw your pen and it shall fall.

LINDA: So that doesn’t mean that karma does not exist totally. It means that we choose to have it exist in our reality. So there is, no matter whatever we do ... if say that karma is simply action, then there is action and reaction in our dimension because we choose it to be there, not that it doesn’t exist totally.

ELIAS: Because you CHOOSE it to be there.

LINDA: Yeah, but as a group consciousness, we all choose it to be there.

ELIAS: Quite. I express to you these elements, these truths, that you may expand your awareness, and that you may view that you hold belief systems but you are not bound by your belief systems, and that you may move outside of these belief systems and alter your present reality. I express this to you for the reason that you ARE participating within the action of your shift in consciousness, and within your future time period your reality shall be completely altered and these belief systems shall not hold you as they do presently. Your reality shall be executed differently. You shall throw your pen, and if you are not so choosing, it shall not ...

LINDA: Land.

ELIAS: Correct. (Here, Elias was getting ready to continue, but the subject quickly got changed)

LAJOY: I have a question. Do you know my essence name?

ELIAS: Rene’.

LAJOY: Ianae? (Elias has an interesting way of pronouncing his R’s)


LAJOY: And say it again, please?

ELIAS: Rene’.

LAJOY: Ianae? (The group says “Rene”)

LAJOY: Rene’! Oh! Thank you, beloved. And the other question is, is there any information that you feel that I need directly?

ELIAS: What are YOU feeling that you need directly? (Laughter)

LAJOY: I’m open, beloved. I’m just an open vessel! (We all crack up, including Elias, as “vessel” is one of his least favorite words, and psychic-type questions fall into the same category)

ELIAS: (Laughing) Ah! Fortune-telling, once again! My message for yourself, Rene’, is to be trusting of yourself, as it is for all of these individuals, and to be also listening to yourself and your impressions. Think to your situation presently, and be listening to that inner voice that you hold that you are not always listening to. It may not always seem to be logical to you, but many times, what may seem irrational is more rational than not.

LAJOY: Hmm. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

VICKI: I’d like to ask a question here for Kip because it kind of fits in with what we were just talking about, I think, as far as cause and effect and stuff. I’m going to read his question. It’s a little lengthy. “If Elias can actually deliver new physics info, I have a long-standing puzzle that I wonder if he can shed some light on. During the early development of quantum mechanics, physicists were working with an atomic model that pictured the subatomic world as composed of little solar systems. During that time, they recognized that subatomic particles had a characteristic they called spin, conceiving it as an analog of the rotation of planets. It turned out that spin is not only measurable and conserved, but that it’s a necessary component of many quantum mechanical calculations. In other words, spin refers to something real. Now, our current understanding of the subatomic world is that it’s nothing at all like a little solar system. In fact, it’s not clear that there’s anything solid down there to spin. What can spin mean in terms of a probability cloud? So my question would be, what the heck is spin in the multidimensional world?” His question has been sparked by Norm’s experiment.

ELIAS: You view these particles as holding a “thing” around them. I have expressed to you previously that your view of these particles, these atoms or subatomic particles, are not as little solar systems at all. They are contained within themselves. They are not unlike units of consciousness, links of consciousness, merely appearing within matter. They are made up of many links of consciousness to be forming of your matter within a time framework. Outside of a time framework, they hold no meaning as an object. They are merely a configuration of links of consciousness in cooperation with each other. Your sciences assign a word of an action of “spin” to these particles. This is a very misleading word within your language, for this presupposes a direction or a specific action within physical terms.

In actuality, within the insertion of these links of consciousness into a physical thickness, the configuration of the links create what is viewed as physical matter; a physical element that you may not physically view, but you are aware that exists. These physical elements are those that make up all of your physical matter as they come together within cooperation within consciousness to be creating of certain elements; but singularly within themselves, they do not hold what your sciences term to be a spin. They hold more accurately what you may term to be a force. It is not a field; it is not a thing. It is a force. Within the thickness of your time framework, the configuration of these links of consciousness coming together create a force within them; not around them, but within them. In this, they are enabled physically, within your time dimension, with a communication. Therefore, you may extract one particle and you may divide one particle ... or so you BELIEVE you are dividing one particle, for in actuality, you are not.

VICKI: What are you doing?

ELIAS: You are merely dispersing the same particle throughout your physical time framework of your dimension. You are not separating it. In this, the communication within the force of the particle continues in the same manner that you continue within your dream state as you, but not within a recognizable state of your waking state.

LINDA: So then you’re saying that when they say they are splitting the atom, they are actually just pushing it into another dimension?



ELIAS: You are merely expanding it.

LINDA: So then it covers more dimensions than it initially did?

ELIAS: It continues within this dimension, although aspects of it may move into other dimensions if so choosing; but if not so choosing ... for these particles themselves hold consciousness and choice. Therefore, if not so choosing to be entering into other areas of consciousness and other dimensions, you are merely expanding it.

LINDA: So then how do you explain the energy that’s created when we supposedly split the atom, the atomic energy?

ELIAS: Think of a bubble. As you blow more air into the bubble, it expands. As you continue to blow more air into the bubble, you are expanding its perimeters. It is not a contained element. Therefore, it may burst, but it continues to exist within its particles. It merely changes form. In this same manner, you are merely expanding these particles, and you may expand these particles throughout your physical space to very far locations, may you not? You may place what you view to be the split of these particles, one being within one physical location of your planet in another country, one being within this country. You have not split them. You have merely expanded the energy. Then you view that these amazing split particles hold faster-than-light-speed communication to each other. One shall alter its course if you are altering of the course of the other. It is merely responding to itself, for it has not been separated.

LINDA: Okay, thanks. (Here, Lisa starts to ask a question)

ELIAS: (To Vic, but intended for Bruce) There is more within your reality, Horatio, than you have dreamt of! (Grinning, and then to Lisa) Yes?

LISA: Can you tell me the name of my essence?

ELIAS: Behal. B-E-H-A-L. (Pronounced Beale; almost two syllables)

LISA: Behal?

ELIAS: Correct.

LISA: Behal. Thank you.

VICKI: I have one more question for myself about Norm’s experiment. I’ve been thinking about it a lot and I’m still not very clear on why the experiment worked the way it did as he presented it to us, that when they closed the slit after the photon had gone through it, it didn’t hit the target, because that’s kind of contrary to what we would expect. And I would expect that we would see a result that we would expect, within the context of our reality and how we create it through our belief systems. That’s the part I don’t get.

ELIAS: The reason that you do not obtain your expectation is that you do not allow for the consciousness of the particle and ITS choice.

VICKI: Hmm. Would it always choose to do the same thing, though?

ELIAS: It is choosing this response to be expressing to you of more of your reality than you are aware of.

VICKI: Okay. This might be a dumb question, but were this experiment to have occurred in our time frame of fifty years ago, would the results have been similar?


VICKI: And for the same reasons?


VICKI: And were we to conduct this same experiment a hundred and fifty years in the future, we would see the same results?

ELIAS: Not consistently. (Here, there is a pause during which we all consider this answer, and then everybody starts laughing)

You are needing of information presently within this century that suggests to you elements of reality that are beyond what you may measure. Therefore, within your own creation of your own realities, you offer yourselves examples that you may not explain.

VICKI: So in actuality, in what Norm is working with with the experiment, he is presenting himself with imagery to be kind of expanding his own awareness of how reality is created and how it works, and another person may present themselves with what we would call a completely mundane, very simple piece of imagery, not scientific, that would be presented for the very same reason.

ELIAS: Absolutely.

VICKI: So really, the only difference in any of it is what the individual is drawn to and what they understand.

ELIAS: And also the effect within mass.

VICKI: Yeah, because Norm has picked a draw in that direction.

ELIAS: As have other individuals within your present century.

VICKI: Okay ... (Pause)

ELIAS: You hold an officially accepted reality. You are quite singular within your attention to this officially accepted reality, but you challenge this reality within this present century within the action of this shift, exploring beyond your officially accepted reality. In this, you offer yourselves information that challenges this, that you may explore beyond and you may offer yourself new information of the reality of reality beyond what you officially accept.

VICKI: One more question: Will Norm’s experiment have the results that he creates it to have, and could another individual in the next room create the same experiment with completely different results?


VICKI: So the results will be as Norm creates them to be?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: Just like I create imagery for myself ...

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: ... and each individual does.

ELIAS: Although this is not to say that if succeeding in the area of anticipation, that this experiment may not be recreated once again with the same result.

VICKI: Yeah, he asked that question. I remember. Okay.

ELIAS: This is not to say that this may be accepted initially. Initially, you may face opposition. Initially, your sciences are not so easily swayed, but you may be accomplishing and it may be recreated with the same result.

VICKI: But it’s not a rule, because that in itself would imply a closed system.

ELIAS: The experiment as it exists is not a rule! I have expressed to you, futurely you may conduct the same experiment and the results may not be so very consistent, for your awareness shall be different. (Long pause, Elias chuckles, and we all start laughing)

LAJOY: Is it also in the same thought that I can think about being in Italy and instantly be there, but because of mass consciousness we were told we have to get on a plane and we have to go through those steps?

ELIAS: You may occupy whatever space arrangement that you choose instantaneously. It is unnecessary for you to be engaging physical travel. You hold the ability to be accomplishing in all of these areas. I have expressed previously, all of these elements that you invent are mirror images of what you already know that you accomplish within consciousness. All of the elements about you are merely mirror images of those abilities that you hold within consciousness yourselves already.

Offering of essence names:

(To Sue) Alex. (To Rob) Mendoe; M-E-N-D-O-E.

DREW: If contrary to our expectations, the photons in that experiment can choose to do something other than what we believe they will, then why doesn’t the consciousness in the pen that she may throw choose not to land for our awareness?

ELIAS: Consciousness seeks your benefit. What benefit be there in the pen not reaching its trajectory?

DREW: I would imagine it’s the same benefit that we get from the photons not reaching their trajectory, and that is awareness, and ...

ELIAS: No. You would merely view this as astounding momentarily, and it would hold your attention no longer. Many elements occur within your physical reality that are astounding in your view, and they are momentarily viewed and then they are forgotten and you pay little attention to them. You hold miracles within your reality – or so you express them to be miracles – everyday. They hold little attention with you. They are momentary; but within certain elements of your reality, you DO pay attention.

Within this present century, you look to your sciences as your new religion. You hold much attention within their movement. You trust your sciences, for you view them to be “provable.” Therefore, you pay attention, and what they express to you, you believe and you incorporate into your belief systems.

Previous to this century, you held little information of your physics. You held little information, other than speculatory, of your time element. But you have been offered information within your sciences, your new religion, of these elements. And express to me that you do not believe this! You do! Your Einstein expresses to you that your time framework is flexible, and NOW you believe this. Your sciences express to you elements of your particles, and you believe this; and for a time framework, they express to you that your atoms and your particles are little solar systems, and you believe this until they are expressing to you of NEW information, and you believe new information. I have expressed to you that your particles resemble nothing to little solar systems. Your particles incorporate color vibration within themselves. You do not believe this, for it has not been proven to you yet.

DREW: So if this choice is being made by consciousness, the consciousness within whatever element is doing the proving at the time, it applies on some level that a decision is being made as to what is or is not beneficial for us at this time. Is that just ...

ELIAS: (Interrupting) What YOU deem to be beneficial. You express in a manner that some cosmic force is orchestrating beyond you!

DREW: Well, I was just wondering, is this through agreement within consciousness ...

ELIAS: (Interrupting) YOU are all creating this yourselves! It is your own creation for your own information. There is no cosmic force inserting itself into your reality. YOU are exploring your own physical reality yourselves.

DREW: But when you say the consciousness of the photon chooses ...

ELIAS: (Interrupting) It is an element of your physical reality which YOU have created! Therefore, it is in agreement with you.

DREW: Okay. (Giving up)

LISA: Are you saying that we create ... you said there were color vibrations within the particles?

ELIAS: Correct.

LISA: So does that mean we created that?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, for you have created the design; and the links of consciousness, within agreement, for ALL of consciousness IS within agreement, agree to be forming themselves in the design that you have designated – you as essence, not as an individual focus.

(Intently) You speak as though there is separation, and there is NO separation. There is no universe or cosmos beyond you that is inserting into your universe and reality. There is merely essence and consciousness, and in this there is no separation. Therefore, all that you create is for your benefit within your individual reality, and all of consciousness within the physical reality is in agreement to be creating and exploring of your reality. (Pause)

DREW: Can I ask a question kind of off the subject? Can you tell me of whom I’m fragmented?

ELIAS: Ah! A question of fragmentation! (Laughter)

DREW: People have been asking me, and I’ve never asked you. So it’s way off the subject, but I thought I’d throw it in.

ELIAS: I shall express to you that you are fragmented of ... our twelfth essence! (Grinning, as Cathy loses it)

(To Vic) You may log this. (To Drew) You may investigate this!

DREW: (Groaning) Oh man! Am I going to get help from anybody? Does anybody know what you’re talking about? (Much laughter)


DREW: Okay, good! Alright. Thank you.

ELIAS: I shall be disengaging with you all this evening. You have been most charming and also quite interesting within your questioning this evening. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, and Olivia may be participating ... (grinning at Ron)

RON: Or not! (Laughter)

ELIAS: ... as per not usual! (Grinning) I am quite understanding that you are in what you term to be, in your terms, “work mode.” We shall be attempting to draw you out of this! (Chuckling) For you all this evening, I express to each of you great affection, and a very fond and loving au revoir!

Elias departs at 8:56 PM.

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