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Friday, December 31, 1999

<  Session 531 (Private/Phone)  >

ďNeutralizing BeliefsĒ

ďReturning to a Natural StateĒ


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Lynda (Ruther).

Elias arrives at 12:22 PM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

LYNDA: Hi! (Elias chuckles) Well! Hi, Elias! Iím actually smiling. Look at my smiling Ė can you believe it? Iím smiling! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Listen to me Ė itís the millennium! First of all, itís the first anniversary of us objectively speaking, and itís the last day of this century and the beginning of the new millennium, and if I didnít record this, I would be so sad! I have to get a recorded objective notation of this session because itís significant to me. First of all, itís significant to me that Iím recording it after not recording it for the last three times. Iím very happy to hear your voice!

I just had this awesome conversation with Michael that validated a lot of stuff she and I both have been going through, and I believe, Elias, we began to bridge the gap between our language differences, her being thought focused and me being emotionally focused, and it explained a lot to me about the difficulties Iíve had with Lawrence this year, and I just feel pretty cool about that whole situation. So I just want to make that a note!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Oh, stop laughing! The thing I love about you is you never say ďI told you so!Ē (Cracking up)

ELIAS: Ha ha! You may adequately express that to yourself without my interjection!

LYNDA: And I just did! (Cracking up)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Oh Elias! So Iíll ask you a few things, okay?

ELIAS: Very well!

LYNDA: Alright. I am in step two. Step two has been like taking my upper lip and pulling it over my head, as my friend Jamal used to say. But I also think that the conflict I have been experiencing, although it had intensified intensely, seems to have, just in the last maybe day or two, turned a corner.

I want to identify some interaction Iíve had with Millie, and also Lee and Susan, that seems to validate that point, and that is that I have allowed myself to not be as affected by Millieís demand, and the way I have done that is by not acquiescing to her demand, but not doing it in a way that I fought her. So I want to identify, I think, cause and effect, and also I think sheís intermediate, which would explain our differences in perception. But anyway, I think Iíve been dealing a lot with control and cause and effect, and noticing the mirror action of that. Am I on the right track so far?

ELIAS: Correct.

LYNDA: Okay, and I want to say to you that my validation point about it is that I have not been ... rather, when I automatically condemn myself or judge myself ... because the mirror action to me was a very hard thing for me to hear, because this situation is such an extreme to me of control and demand, and I took it as it was so bad and I am bad, and I identified only Ė ONLY Ė the extreme badness of myself, which that mirror action seemed to validate.

So when we last spoke, you told me to look at it as an opportunity, and for some reason that clicked, Elias. That finally clicked with me, and I detached myself from looking at it like it was just me, me, me, me, me, BAD me, and I was able to identify it, and it diminished in force. Can you comment on that, please?

ELIAS: And therefore, you are enacting the movement of turning your attention and altering your perception.

LYNDA: And staying in the moment has been easier for me.

ELIAS: Quite! As you allow yourself to focus within the now, and you allow yourself, by offering yourself permission, to turn your attention slightly Ė and you need not be turning your attention to great degrees, but merely slightly Ė you automatically are altering of your perception, and your perception is, as we have stated, that element which creates your reality, and is quite affecting of how you interpret information and how you respond to information or interaction.

And in this, as you allow yourself to turn your attention away from condemnation of self, you also are altering your perception, which allows you to view your reality in a different manner.

LYNDA: Amen! (Elias chuckles) Well, itís certainly a relief to me to begin this. I mean, whew! What a road!

I want to also bring up the subject of some other things Iíve been identifying with regard to this yeast infection I had. Iíve had it on and off for a while, and it was scary for me to look at, because when I read Williamís transcript in June (#414), it impacted me and scared me in the same condemnation manner, and I was afraid to look at it until just recently. So I re-read it and I identified my fear of intimacy, which I believe ties into the whole wave weíre in with beliefs related to sexuality. Is that right?

ELIAS: You are correct.

LYNDA: And I do want you to comment on it, because I just met this guy and I want to ask you some things about that. But I want to address this intimacy thing I had, because I think this is the big wall between the two rooms. Would you say Iím getting close there?

ELIAS: Yes. In this, you are allowing yourself to be assimilating information and identifying, in your step two, the aspects of beliefs that you are allowing to be affecting of you in different manners and expressions, and in this identification, you also allow yourself to be opening or widening your awareness, and this allows you to move into new expressions.

For you are allowing yourself to view the movement of this wave in consciousness. You are allowing yourself to view your participation in this wave. You are also, in conjunction with this shift in consciousness, allowing yourself to engage more of your periphery and therefore view self more openly within acceptance, recognizing that you may be identifying certain aspects of beliefs and you may be creating responsiveness to those beliefs.

But this IS an opportunity, or may be viewed in your very objective physical terms as a positive movement, for if you are not recognizing and identifying the aspects of beliefs that you are aligning with and that you are allowing an affectingness from, and if you are not viewing the correlation between what you create and the aspects of the beliefs, how shall you address to them?

LYNDA: Right.

ELIAS: Therefore, you have allowed yourself, through the assimilation of information, to be viewing your own participation in this wave in consciousness, allowing yourself to view the different aspects of this particular belief that you create issues with, and therefore subsequently you create certain affectingnesses in your focus and within your reality.

This also allows you the opportunity to view the coupling of aspects of this belief system of sexuality with different aspects of the belief system of duplicity, and how you automatically express certain duplicitous actions and associations in relation to the aspects of the other belief system, for there is an automatic movement in the devaluation of self and the discounting of self and the repelling of your own self-acceptance, as you associate that your own creations are bad.

LYNDA: Right; exactly. Their reality is their reality. Speaking of these ... thatís what is hitting me. The detachment point for me is, it struck me that other peopleís reality is their reality. It is not somehow transferable unless I receive it, which I have been all this time. I donít have to ... I donít want to say do what I donít want to do, but itís pretty much as simple as that, isnít it?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

LYNDA: Now, that doesnít mean I donít want to ... I mean, I also feel like I have automatically been beneficial in little ways that Iím noticing with the whole family here without intending to. Itís not my intention to do that. Itís my intention to get free and be the straight little sapling, and Iím observing automatic beneficial responses in the others. Isnít that correct?

ELIAS: Yes. Be remembering, the beliefs in themselves are neutral. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, the shift in consciousness is creating what you may identify as a healing action, for it is returning your reality to its natural state.

And in this, what you are accomplishing is the recognition that the beliefs in themselves, as themselves, are not good or bad or right or wrong. They are in themselves neutral. All of the aspects of the beliefs are the influencing factors, so to speak, that you incorporate into your reality, coupled with aspects of duplicity, and in that is the play of the influence and the affectingness.

And this is the action that you participate in, in your movement in this shift in consciousness, is the neutralization of the aspects of the beliefs which you incorporate as influencing, and therefore those elements of the beliefs that you have turned to be creating your reality in relation to judgment, which also creates judgment upon self.

In this, as you recognize the qualities of the beliefs themselves and the reality that in themselves they are neutral, the neutralization of the aspects of each of these beliefs is the returning to the natural state.

LYNDA: Wow. (Sighing) Wow! (Laughing) Yahoo! Iím beginning to begin to commence to get that! Yahoo!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LYNDA: As you were talking, my friend came to mind, and I do want to talk about a new friend, but I want to bring up the first individual for a moment because he and I had an intimate sexual relationship for several years, but we have been at loggerheads because he has a very different belief system. His root belief system may be the same as mine, but because heís so into the eastern thing I have been repelled by it, and of course heís repelled by me coming out of Christianity. But we have really what I would call a heart connection, and I am starting to relax about my connection with him, although itís a very good example to me that I want to bring up, of my fear of intimacy.

Iím not saying that I want to have an intimate relationship with him, but Iím saying that in the relationship with him, he has brought up my own thing with intimacy, and what I want to say is that I think Iím widening to be able to receive him in a different way, which I think is beneficial. I want to make a comment on some observations about him. Heís extremely, extremely involved and very sensitive and lashes out in a hurtful manner, which I am understanding now is his belief system, and I want to address specifically what other people think. Heís very involved in the anti-age movement and the world global thing of metaphysical information, and heís got all these issues about not being old, and he always dates younger women, and Iím just making a Sumafi observation about him, but not in judgment. I donít think Iím judging him; Iím just making an observation. Itís one of the reasons weíve bounced off each other, because I also have my own issues with age. We have similar issues; weíre just going about it differently. Youíre understanding what Iím saying, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

LYNDA: And what I want to ask you about is, first I want to validate that Iím not as repelled by the eastern thing as I was, which ties into what you said about beliefs themselves being neutral, and thatís really fun to me and liberating. And I want to ask you if heís soft, number one, and if heís Ilda aligned Sumari, and what his essence name is. I also want to ask you if what Iíve said to you is valid, or any confirmation on what Iíve been saying to you.

ELIAS: In this relationship, you offer yourself the opportunity to view differences in perception, which also allows you an opportunity to be exploring your ability to be accepting of self, and recognizing that the acceptance of self is not an expression of threateningness in conjunction with another individual as their perception may be different.

This allows you to not create a feeling of threat within self or a movement into protection of self as you recognize that another individual may perceive reality differently from yourself, and this is not an automatic expression that you are wrong and therefore invalidating of your perception and perpetuating your expression of a lack of acceptance of self, and in this, it has been beneficial for you to be participating in a type of relationship which expresses objective differences.

Now; the individual of which you speak holds the orientation of common, but you do align with different aspects of belief systems, and therefore you express very differently. In this, you also assimilate information differently, and therefore your expressions objectively are created in different manners and move in different directions. This may create, in certain situations in which the objective expressions appear very different in your physical terms, to be an expression of difference in language, and in actuality, it is not necessarily.

There is a tremendous expression of diversity in each orientation, but the base direction or the base qualities of these orientations is the same. The manner in which you perceive and interact and create your reality is the same. The qualities of how you create your reality and how you interact with your reality and how your reality is affecting of you, so speak, in physical terms, is the same.

There are very specific, obvious differences in the qualities of these three expressions of orientations. These expressions of orientations may be subtle in many manners and are a type of underlying state of being, so to speak, whereas your expression of your beliefs is quite objective and obvious.

Your expression of your beliefs may be overshadowing many times of the expression of orientation, for you may hold the same orientation as another individual, and you may also experience much conflict and difficulty objectively in interaction with other individuals of the same orientation in relation to the beliefs that you hold and your perception and assessment of self, in your own expression of acceptance of self and the degree, in a manner of speaking, that you afford to yourself in acceptance. This is quite influencing of the interaction that you shall create with other individuals.

LYNDA: You can say that again! That gets into competition and threateningness. From my vantage, Iíve been through a lot of my own reactions of competitiveness and seen reactions of competitiveness in others, just in regard to the steps Iím going through. All you have to say is, ďstep one, step two, step three,Ē and I automatically go into, ďOh shit! I think Iím only in step two, but maybe Iím in step three.Ē

I compete with myself, and I look in the information to see where everybody else is at, and then I just stopped doing that recently, and started to just accept or recognize and love and honor the experiences I have allowed myself until this point, because theyíre mine and theyíre very different. I have allowed myself an intensity of experiences, which is very Vold, and Iím starting to relax in my choices and view them differently.

ELIAS: I shall express to you, competition is quite an obvious objective expression of a lack of acceptance, for in acceptance of self or of other individuals, there is no necessity for the expression of competition, even in those areas of your reality that you view to be based upon competition, such as your athletic competitions or your expressions of intellectual competitions.

These also are an expression of a lack of acceptance in the manner that they are expressed. The action itself may be expressed as an acknowledgment and an appreciation of abilities that may be engaged within your physical focus without the element of competition.

LYNDA: Thatís very big, Elias! Itís a little ahead of its time! (Elias chuckles and Lynda laughs) John alluded to this many times, and I never got it when he said it, and I donít even think he got it when he said it, but it doesnít matter because this is a thread Iíve been aware of for many, many years, and I love that Iím looking at it in this way because this really is ahead of its time, because look at the media now. The whole media has gone to this extreme of celebrity Ė that just because a person is on television, theyíre validated.

ELIAS: I shall express to you presently, this very day within your time framework, there is an expression in part of global competition being enacted, in your race to the expression of celebration of your movement into your millennium. Within this very day of this very time framework, throughout your globe, there is an expression objectively to be accomplishing first.

And what shall it matter? And what is the necessity for the objective expression of this competition? For you all participate in the movement of your entrance into what you identify as your new millennium, and the element of time in itself is relative, and there is no first!

LYNDA: God! That is so cool! I think that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

LYNDA: I do! Like thereís this Jewish actress named Ellen Barkin who said, ďI donít know what the big deal about the millennium is. Iím a Jewish chick. To me, itís just 5760.Ē (Elias chuckles)

Iím making a joke, but I definitely agree with that. I think itís really fun that you said that, because that validates something I think too. And I love the celebration and I think itís really fun, and I love it that Einstein was made Timeís person of the year! I think thatís really fun, and I love what you just said. I concur.

So can I ask you a couple of things? And then I gotta go because I talked too long to Mary.

ELIAS: You may.

LYNDA: Thank you. And weíre gonna talk in two weeks anyway, because weíre not done with me.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Elias, Iíd better talk to you about this new person. I met this man. Heís a black man, but he doesnít look black Ė I think heís mixed with something. I met him at the gym and we clicked. We were drawn to each other, and this was about a month ago, and I panicked because at that time, I was just a nervous wreck and I wanted him to just go away. But he didnít go away, and he wants to take me out, and I think itís a fine idea to go out with him. Heís from New Orleans and heís a Catholic and active in black rights, which is interesting to me because itís an odd combination in Los Angeles, to find a Catholic black individual. Usually theyíre Baptist, which is a more emotionally expressive thing.

Anyway, heís from New Orleans, and when we first met, I walked back to my car and the name Daisy and a young Creole-looking woman popped into my head, and I didnít know if that was him or me. I do have a fondness for New Orleans, so I would venture to say that I have some focus activity there, which Iíd like you to validate. But Iíd like to find out a little bit about him, if thatís okay with you, because I donít know what this is, and Iím going to allow myself all of my reactions, which have been myriad so far, but I want to know a little bit about him, like his orientation and his essence name and all of that stuff.

ELIAS: Very well.

LYNDA: Thank you.

ELIAS: I shall offer to you, essence name of first individual of which you inquired, Ti. (tie)

LYNDA: Spell that.

ELIAS: T-I. Essence family, Sumari; alignment in this focus, Zuli.

LYNDA: Wow. And his orientation?

ELIAS: This is of the first individual of which you inquired, which I have already expressed to you the orientation of common.

LYNDA: Oh, that was the first guy I mentioned!

ELIAS: Correct.

LYNDA: Oh, his essence name is Ti. Heís Sumari/Zuli! You know, I had kind of a feeling when I first met him that he had a Zuli thing! (Elias chuckles) Oh, Iím so excited! I love to validate myself!

Okay, thatís the first individual Ė Sumari/Zuli, and his name is Ti. Itís funny because he has started calling himself Blue Star, which is so fun to me ... oh anyway, never mind. What about the other guy?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LYNDA: (Laughing) Shit, Elias, I wish he could talk to you! This is the hard part about talking to you. It is so fun! I used to think you were God. Donít you know that the most intimate moments I had with me, with God, were me, and they were you. I donít want you to take that in any way but in the dearness to which I mean it, okay? I thought I was talking to God! Thatís why itís so dear to me that youíre not so very much different than the person I was talking to.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Oh anyway, what about the other guy?

ELIAS: Individual essence name, Vissue; V-I-S-S-U-E. (veeísue)

LYNDA: Vissue. And his family and alignment?

ELIAS: Essence family, Vold; alignment in this focus, Zuli.

LYNDA: Well, the Vold thing explains why heís a black activist and just picketed NBC Ďcause thereís not enough black newscasters on the program, right? (Elias chuckles) Isnít that interesting? Iíve never met a Vold up close and personal before. Whatís his orientation?

ELIAS: Orientation, common.

LYNDA: Thank you Jesus! (Cracking up)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Howís that for a little exposure of beliefs there?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LYNDA: I was hoping he was common. Itís kind of scary because heís a person of color, but Iím a Jewish chick, so weíre familiar with persecution, right? Weíre right in there!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Ah, so you offer yourself a commonality in persecution! Tsk tsk tsk!

LYNDA: (Laughing) Oh, it was a joke! Okay, so whoís Daisy?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Skimming right along! Hey, in the book I wrote, I said that a friend of mine, Jackie, whoís Armenian ... what am I telling you this for? You help me write it! Anyway, I wrote that we had a fight over who suffered more, the Jews or the Armenians, and I said, ďFuck you, Jackie, I win!Ē (Elias chuckles) I think itís good to make playfulness out of persecution. It sort of diminishes the force of the suffering, donít you think?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And I shall express to you once again, this is relative also!

LYNDA: Oh yeah, I forgot. Thereís neither good or bad, nor Jew or Greek, nor slave or free. What do you guys know from this business, please! Oh God, Iím starting to get my sense of humor back when I talk to you. This is a good sign to me!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LYNDA: Hey, thank you very much for that information. So dare I ask you the probable probability of this relationship, Mr. Crystal Ball?

ELIAS: HA HA! You dare not!

LYNDA: Oh shit!

ELIAS: And I shall express to you an encouragement that you may be investigating of another focus in which you hold a manifestation of essence, and this is the physically focused naming of Daisy within this province of your country.

LYNDA: Oh, so I have a focus named Daisy in New Orleans, and sheís a Creole woman!

ELIAS: Yes.

LYNDA: Sheís a pretty free chick! (Elias chuckles)

Okay, Iím going to leave you alone because the next time I talk to you, Iím going to talk to you about our communication from December 23, because I want that to be the whole session, because I need two weeks to work up to it.

ELIAS: Very well.

LYNDA: And I love you very much, and Happy New Year!

ELIAS: And I shall express to you, be playful within your holiday! And I offer to you an expression of encouragement in your movement.

LYNDA: Thank you, my friend. Thank you for all the blueness!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. (Chuckling)

LYNDA: And ... oh gosh! Can I just ask you one more little question? Please say yes!

ELIAS: You may.

LYNDA: Whatís my color? I think I have an idea ... I mean my WHOLE color. I know Iím predominantly yellow in this focus (laughing), but I mean my whole color. You understand what I mean.

ELIAS: The expression of your vibrational tone. And your impression?

LYNDA: My impression? Glad you asked! My impressions are in the blue family, sort of a milky turquoise blue.

ELIAS: Ah, and I shall express to you what you would identify physically as an aqua.

LYNDA: Ah! Iím right? (Elias chuckles) Holy shit, Batman, Iím right! The river I jumped over in my dream was sort of a milky aqua blue, but this aqua is aqua.

ELIAS: Correct.

LYNDA: More clear, not opaque. I get the opaqueness ... wait a minute. Weíll discuss that in two weeks, the opaqueness versus the clearness, okay?

ELIAS: Very well.

LYNDA: Oh, aqua! Thank you very much!

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

LYNDA: I love you very much, and have a wonderful ... reality!

ELIAS: HA HA HA!

LYNDA: (Laughing) And Iíll do the same!

ELIAS: And you may enjoy your entrance into your new millennium!

LYNDA: Thank you very much, my friend. I love you. Iíll talk to you in a couple of weeks.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Very well.

LYNDA: Thank you.

ELIAS: To you in affection, au revoir.

LYNDA: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:07 PM.


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