Saturday, December 16, 2000
“Interacting With Energy Deposits”
“Do Dead Folks Hang Around?”
“Hauntings ... Or Not!”
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie).
Elias arrives at 3:14 PM. (Arrival time is 20 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
RODNEY: Good afternoon, sir! (Elias chuckles) How are you?
ELIAS: As always, and yourself?
RODNEY: I am feeling very good, thank you!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
RODNEY: I just spent an hour, I think, laughing and playing with Mary. (Elias chuckles) I have a bunch of questions that are a little bit longer, and Mary agreed to go a little bit over.
ELIAS: Very well.
RODNEY: So I thought I’d mention that, but I have a stopwatch here so I don’t interrupt her next session. (Elias chuckles)
I had a very unusual experience, for me, very recently. Someone moved into a small house, and felt that there was an energy there that was somewhat upsetting to her. A friend of mine did what they call a “clearing,” inviting whatever energy that was there to leave. I got invited to go to a second event where we were going to have a dinner party, and then we were going to have a second quote/unquote “clearing.” As the day went on, I felt more and more like I wanted to say a few words before they did that, and I asked if I could do that when we all sat around in a circle, and they granted me that.
What I said was kind of spontaneous. I asked them to consider ... because I went and sat in the room that seemed to be where most of these feelings came from, and I did sense a lingering pain, at least a memory of pain, and it felt to me like a pain had been experienced there that was unexpressed, that was kept inside someone, that was never witnessed, so to speak. So I spoke to them and I said, “I’d like you to open to the idea that there is no such thing as evil; not to say that evil acts are not done, but those kinds of things are created more out of a sense of self-righteous judgment and a belief in what’s right and wrong.”
Then I turned my attention, and I found myself actually speaking to the energy. Elias, I’ve never quite done that before! And I spoke to the energy as if it was an impression, because I didn’t feel that there was a focus there, so to speak, as much as an attachment, an impression of energy that someone left behind.
I said, “We’re here to acknowledge your presence. We’re here to witness the pain that we sense you felt. We’re here to respect you. We’re here to invite you to open to the possibility that there are other things that you might like to experience. You might like to experience joy and peace, and more simply, a sense of being witnessed for whatever it was that you experienced in this house. That’s the invitation we offer, and with that we say farewell.” It was very brief, what I said, and I’m not sure those were the exact words.
There was an incredible silence, and it lasted for what seemed eternity. All of a sudden, I was gripped with an emotion, with a feeling that was so intense that it just totally overtook me, and I just burst into crying. It was somewhat traumatic. However, it did not frighten me, it did not feel in any way ... it actually felt like a release, and in the release, it almost felt like a thank you.
After I quieted down, we continued, and that feeling came back to me once or twice afterwards. People came up to me and said, “Oh, that’s so awful, what happened to you,” because they told me I had some ... my face took on totally different and distinctly different contours and expressions. I said that it wasn’t a terrible thing at all, and that I almost sensed a feeling of joy after it was over, like someone had said thank you to me in a really profound way, and that I was left with a really good experience.
This was really out-of-the-blue for me. I didn’t have an idea, really, of what I was doing, but I know it was very real. I would like you to comment on my experience, if you would, and tell me about what really happened there.
ELIAS: Very well. Let me express to you first of all, you are correct in your identification that you are not in actuality interacting with an actual presence of a focus of an essence.
RODNEY: Right. That would be too big to stay there, it seems to me.
ELIAS: Not necessarily.
RODNEY: Not necessarily?
ELIAS: As I have expressed in conversation with you individually previously, there are many actions that may occur in relation to an individual focus subsequent to disengagement. It is dependent upon the individual and their direction of attention and their objective awareness and their incorporation of their beliefs, which they continue to hold.
RODNEY: So they could still be there, in a way?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. For as I have expressed to you, at times an individual may disengage this physical reality, and at the moment of disengagement, there is an awareness of the choice to be disengaging. But subsequent to that action, there may also be confusion in the objective awareness, which has not yet been shed.
Therefore, dependent upon the beliefs and the direction of attention of that particular focus, the individual may continue to be creating objective imagery which suggests that they are continuing to participate within your physical reality, although they are not in actuality participating in the same manner that YOU participate, for they may continue to occupy the same space arrangement, but they have moved into another area of consciousness. As I have expressed, all consciousness occupies the same space arrangement. You merely create the appearance of division and separation through the expression of dimensions of that space arrangement, so to speak.
Now; in this, an individual may be continuing in creating an objective awareness that projects an actual physical reality which is created through their perception, and they may continue to incorporate other individuals that are also a projection of their perception, in which they create the appearance of the reality that is familiar to them objectively and physically.
And for a time framework – once again, dependent upon the direction and the beliefs of that individual and the intensity of their objective awareness in association with their perception – they may confuse themselves into believing that they are in actuality continuing to participate in your physical reality. They ARE creating an actual physical reality, but through their perception and without the interaction or the interplay of other individuals, other individual focuses which are manifest in the actual physical reality.
Now; this is not the situation that you have encountered. For the most part, generally speaking, individual focuses that create that type of action do not necessarily intersect with you within this physical dimension. They are creating their own individual imagery of objective reality, but they do not intersect, generally speaking, with individuals that continue to be physically manifest within your physical dimension.
Now; this is not a rule. Therefore, it is not an absolute.
At times there may be an intersection, and an individual which is manifest within your physical dimension may be allowing themselves an openness within their awareness which intersects with the energy of one of those individuals that continues to maintain an objective awareness, projecting an actual physical reality through their individual perception, and in those moments, the individual within physical focus may hold a clear and actual interaction with the individual that has disengaged, and their energies may intersect at times, to a point that both hold an awareness of each other.
One shall be aware that the other is disengaged. The one that is disengaged may not necessarily hold an objective awareness that they are disengaged, but as I have expressed previously, this is a temporary creation with these individuals that have disengaged. For eventually, in your terms, they shall recognize the difference in the creation of the reality, for there is no interplay of other individuals. There is....
RODNEY: By the term temporary, it could be a day, a week, a year, a decade?
ELIAS: Correct. For the incorporation of time not within your physical dimension is translated and perceived quite differently.
RODNEY: I understand.
ELIAS: Now; as to your experience, as I have stated, this is not what you have encountered. Had you encountered that type of situation, in the allowance of openness of yourself in that moment, you would have allowed yourself to view the individual.
RODNEY: I would have.
ELIAS: Were that to be the situation.
RODNEY: They were not that objectively present, or not that objectively projecting into that space.
ELIAS: Correct. What you have encountered is an energy deposit.
RODNEY: If they had been projecting objectively, would I have been open ... was I open enough to have experienced them more fully?
ELIAS: Yes, were the individual in actuality to be creating that type of action, in confusion and the belief that they continued to be occupying physical reality. But this actual focus is not engaging that type of movement.
RODNEY: I’m familiar with the term energy deposit, and I sensed – and I think I actually may have used that word with my friends – that that was the case in this particular instance.
ELIAS: You are correct.
Now; in this, what you have allowed yourself to participate within is opening your awareness, opening your periphery and your energy, to be intersecting and merging with that energy deposit.
Now; this is not an individual. But energy deposits are quite real, and they do hold an aspect of the personality of the focus of essence. The attention of the focus is no longer held in that space arrangement, so to speak, or the physical time framework, but the energy is projected, and there is an aspect of that individual which continues within that actual time and space expression.
Are you following thus far?
RODNEY: Yes, thank you.
ELIAS: Be recognizing that you each hold countless aspects of yourselves, numberless aspects of yourselves. Therefore, one aspect is what may be likened to one molecule in the entirety of your universe. Therefore, it is not requiring of a directed attention in the manner that we speak of in relation to you yourselves in physical focus. Are you understanding?
RODNEY: I get from that that these energy deposits do not influence in a great way the focuses who created them.
ELIAS: Correct. But there is an aspect of that focus which continues to be held in the energy deposit. Therefore, it may express personality. It may express at times, dependent upon the volume of that energy deposit, what may be translated within you as a desire.
Now; do not confuse what I am expressing to you. Understand [that] what I am expressing to you is that the energy, in association with the personality, is translated by you in physical focus as the identification of desire. In itself, it does not express a desire per se.
RODNEY: Alright, I understand. The desire is not inherent in the energy deposit, but that I translate it into my experience as being a desire.
ELIAS: Correct, through your associations of experience and your identification of emotional communication.
Now; in this, in allowing yourself this openness and this recognition of this energy deposit, you allowed yourself to merge with the energy deposit itself.
RODNEY: And by merge, do you mean that we became one?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. In that mergence of energies, you allow yourself to experience the expression of that energy deposit.
RODNEY: I did?
ELIAS: Correct. As you allow yourself to experience the expression of the energy deposit itself, you experience a surge of emotion.
RODNEY: That I did.
ELIAS: Now; let me clearly express to you, this also may be viewed as an example of what I have been recently expressing to individuals in defining emotion. The surge of emotion that you experienced is not a reaction.
RODNEY: It’s not MY reaction.
ELIAS: No. It is not a reaction, period. It is a communication. As I have defined recently, emotions are not reactional. They are NOT reactions.
RODNEY: They are a method of transferring data.
ELIAS: They are an avenue of communication that is offered by the subjective awareness to the objective awareness. This is the free flow of energy in communication between the subjective and objective awarenesses, allowing the subjective awareness to continuously be accessible and known to you objectively, therefore not creating a separation.
Now; in this experience, what you have allowed to occur in the mergence of energies is the expression of communication from yourself and this energy deposit through emotion.
RODNEY: Can I interrupt you for a second?
ELIAS: You may.
RODNEY: You recently defined the functions of emotion, religious, thought, and political as methods of inputting and outputting information through the yellow center, the red center, the purple center, and the blue center.
ELIAS: This is a different topic of discussion than we are discussing presently.
RODNEY: Okay, that’s why I mentioned it.
ELIAS: Those are associated with personality in the manifestations of individual focuses in this physical dimension.
What I am speaking of presently is the base element of your reality in its entirety in this physical dimension, which one of is that of emotion, and your definition of emotion in this physical reality as an action has been to this point an identification of reaction.
RODNEY: Okay, understood.
ELIAS: I am expressing to you the actual function of emotion in your physical dimension, which offers you a new definition of what emotion is. It is not a reaction. It is a communication.
RODNEY: And that is new. Thank you.
ELIAS: Now; in this, you engage this experience of this tremendous emotional surge of energy – which is an extreme, so to speak, communication – for you have coupled your own communication of yourself, of your subjective awareness, with the communication of the energy deposit.
Now; in this, the energy deposit is not expressing a message. It is merely offering an expression of itself. It is offering the expression of what it is, which as an energy deposit within your physical dimension, it incorporates an aspect of emotion, for this is a communication. This is the function of emotion, and it is a base element of your physical reality.
Every expression within your physical reality – in physical matter or energy, in solidity or a lack of solidity – holds the components of sexuality and emotion, for these are the base elements of this physical dimension. Therefore, energy deposits hold these aspects also.
RODNEY: Okay. So the energy deposit is not seeking to communicate with me, but simply to be there to express itself.
RODNEY: And I was the one who was communicating with it.
ELIAS: Yes. It is merely being, and in that being IS a communication.
RODNEY: May I stop you for a moment?
ELIAS: You may. (Pause)
RODNEY: Thank you. It was simply being?
ELIAS: You, as occupying this physical dimension, merge with that energy, recognize its beingness subjectively, and coupled with its beingness and your intersection with it, your subjective awareness creates a surge of communication to your objective awareness, and this is manifest in the avenue of emotion.
RODNEY: So the communication that I express is an expression from my subjective knowing to my objective knowing.
RODNEY: Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: Which offers you a validation of the reality of the experience and an identification of it.
RODNEY: Right. Good, I understand that now. Was I correct in identifying that this energy deposit was – perhaps you’ve already said this – that this energy deposit was associated with a painful experience that was experienced by that focus in that house?
RODNEY: Was that focus either a young child or a woman?
RODNEY: Was that pain not expressed ever, or at least not in this house? Or should I say, poorly expressed by that focus while they were physically present in this plane?
ELIAS: Not expressed outwardly.
RODNEY: Thank you. That’s what I was attempting to say.
ELIAS: Held in what you term to be objective secret.
RODNEY: Okay. Could you indicate to me the nature of how that pain was created? (Pause)
ELIAS: The individual experienced an interaction with another individual, and that individual created a perception of violation to their being, and in that experience of perceived violation, there has also been created a perception of what you identify as an association of shame, and therefore, objectively, outwardly, the experience was held in secretness, so to speak.
Now; the action that the individual chose was to be creating an energy deposit of that experience, so to speak, and allowing themselves to move away from that association, in a manner of speaking.
These are figurative terms, Zacharie. They are not literal, for recognize that you do not in actuality move away, but you may move your perception to be creating different directions and not incorporating some aspects of your experiences. You may also choose to exchange positions with the primary aspect of self, which shall also alter your perception, which alters the entirety of your reality.
And in this, figuratively speaking, the individual may move their attention, so to speak, away from particular experiences or creations, and you may create an actual energy deposit of certain experiences, and figuratively move your attention away from those energy deposits, and allow that type of energy to continue to be expressed not within your attention.
RODNEY: Okay, so the violation was created out of their perception, out of the person who felt violated....
ELIAS: This is the action that occurs with each of you.
RODNEY: I’m talking about this particular experience.
ELIAS: I am understanding, and I am also expressing to you a clarification that ALL of you hold the perception of violation. You in actuality are not violated by another individual.
RODNEY: Oh, alright. Okay, I thought that was in what you said....
ELIAS: Correct. Another individual does not violate you or create an action TO you and create your reality FOR you. YOU create the perception of the violation in relation to your beliefs.
RODNEY: Okay, okay.
ELIAS: Another individual does not “do to you.” YOU create those actions. But within the belief and the perception of the individual, it was perceived that a violation was perpetrated upon them.
RODNEY: Let me ask you ... I have a couple of questions about this. The interaction that occurred between myself and the energy deposit, did that have any ... did that in any way have an influence or an impact on the energy deposit itself? I guess what I’m asking is, is it still there in the same sense that it was there before?
ELIAS: I may express to you, there continues to be an expression of energy deposit. The energy deposit is altered through the mergence, for the communication in being has been accepted and received.
RODNEY: Okay. You say the communication ... the expression of beingness that the energy deposit has, has been somewhat altered.
ELIAS: Through acknowledgment.
RODNEY: Through acknowledgment of my actions?
ELIAS: Through acknowledgment of its being.
RODNEY: Of its being.
ELIAS: Correct. Your actions and your allowance of encountering and merging create the acknowledgment of its being.
RODNEY: Okay, because I was very mindful, in the process of doing whatever I did, to be very accepting of what was there and what was happening there. I even used the words, I don’t want to change you.
ELIAS: I am understanding, and in actuality, you have not changed the energy deposit. You have not changed its being.
ELIAS: You have acknowledged, which in another respect alters the expression of the beingness of the energy deposit, for it offers an expression of freedom; not that it shall discontinue, not that it shall in your physical terms move, but that it allows an expression of freedom through this mergence that was not expressed previously.
RODNEY: Okay. The woman who lives in the house, would she tend to sense this alteration?
RODNEY: So she would tend to feel more relaxed with this energy?
RODNEY: Okay. Would you like to say anything more about this?
ELIAS: Let me also offer to you, the action that you have created is influencing of the individuals that participated.
RODNEY: Oh, okay.
ELIAS: Therefore, what may be more influencing of the individual that occupies that space arrangement with that energy deposit is a movement of her perception rather than a dramatic alteration in the energy deposit itself, for she has allowed her perception to move, and this creates a difference in her reality and how she views this energy deposit. Are you understanding?
ELIAS: This is more affecting, in actuality, of the individual within that space than the actual alteration in the expression of the energy deposit itself.
RODNEY: So overall, this was a supportive and helpful endeavor that I engaged in?
RODNEY: Okay. I thank you very much for that.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.
RODNEY: Because there is another incident that has come to my attention which is somewhat similar, but I sense with distinctly different overtones. I’ve worked with a couple for a couple of years, and I’ll use their initials. It’s C.R. and J.H., I believe. That will serve well enough.
They told me about ... they moved into a house that was occupied by C.R.’s uncle for some 30 years. He died in the house, and his wife stayed on in the house for five years more, and then moved away. The house had one prior owner of two years, so the house is like 37 years old. They moved into the house because C.R.’s aunt gave them ... I guess she charged them a very low rent or something. Since they’ve been in the house, at least four major events have occurred that have tended to upset them significantly.
The two most dramatic ... well, first there was a cat that she was keeping for her mother, and the cat became lost, and I don’t know if she ever found the cat. Secondly, her cat was playing on a banister, and somehow it got a cord from a toy wrapped around its neck and lost its footing, I guess, and was found hanging from the staircase with this noose around its neck, and he was able to untangle it and free the cat.
Some time later ... they haven’t been in the house, I don’t think, more than six months. They recently came home, and they found the cat behind a large stuffed chair, and it had wrapped electric cords around its neck, and in attempting to untangle itself, it created a very significant noose that kept tightening, and the cat was in very bad shape; there was blood coming from its mouth. He immediately got a pair of snippers and snipped the wires, and the cat did survive, and it appears to be coming back to normal.
Now, they asked me about this ... oh, incidentally, or not so incidentally, his uncle, whose name was Frank, appeared to have a hatred of cats that was extreme, and would throw stones at them and do things like that.
Now, they’ve brought these incidents to my attention, and in doing so, I felt they were reaching out for someone to be supportive of them and to hopefully give them some explanation as to what was going on. I’ve suggested that if they wanted me to speak with them about it, I would do so. I expressed this to them – that in creating your reality, you’re creating what happened to these cats, and you may or may not have created it in conjunction with whatever energy appears to be there, that was either deposited by your uncle or impressed by your uncle. But it’s there, and it appears to me ... the existence of these events suggests to me that you’re opening your awareness to unofficial data, and as such, you might benefit by looking at this more closely and developing a more open, accepting awareness of it.
He has seen shadows of a person on the staircase. There have been incidents with the doorbell ringing. He woke up one morning with a ring that had been lost on his finger, and it turns out that his mate Julie had not ... it was not her who had put it there. All of these things are rather dramatic expressions that have been disconcerting to both of them, and I have suggested that if they chose, I would come down to their house and speak with them regarding these events, in an effort to be supportive and to help them move through it.
Frankly, Elias, I’m a little unsure of myself as to how I would handle this, but it is an experience that I find myself opening to, to further my understanding and to further experience my connecting with energy. I was hoping that you would comment on what is actually occurring there, on my desire to help them or to experience this, and give some suggestions as to how I might proceed in supporting them.
ELIAS: Very well. First of all, Zacharie, I shall be quite acknowledging of you, for you are allowing yourself to be open within your awareness, allowing a movement into a genuine recognition of what may be actually occurring, and that what appears objectively, surfacely at times to be a reality may not necessarily be what it seems to be.
Now; I shall express to you, there is no expression of haunting which is occurring within this physical location.
ELIAS: There is no expression of another essence or of another focus of an essence which is expressing violence to these creatures.
RODNEY: Okay. My sense, if I understand what you have spoken of earlier, is that these cats are creating their own reality also, and that they may be cooperating ...
RODNEY: ... with the two people who are living there ...
ELIAS: You are quite correct.
RODNEY: ... to act out certain expressions ...
ELIAS: You are correct.
RODNEY: ... to bring these things objectively into awareness.
ELIAS: Yes. What is being expressed by the individuals that are occupying that space is a tremendous energy in superstition and fear, and this is being projected outwardly and being reinforced through the creation of actual physical imagery.
Let me express to you, is it not wondrous, the tremendous power of your individual energies – that merely through a perception, you may be creating an actual physical reality of projecting energy, and this shall create physical imagery to you and create precisely what you believe!
RODNEY: (Laughing) I think it is amazing to wake up and have a ring on your finger that’s been lost for months!
ELIAS: And you may create even more amazing actions than this simple materialization of this object. I express to you that the power of perception is tremendous, and DOES create actual physical reality.
Now; perception is influenced by the whispers of your beliefs, and not merely one belief or one aspect of a belief within any movement. Your perception receives the communication of all of the aspects of all the beliefs that may intertwine with each other – all that trigger each other, all that interact with each other – and in this, it creates a translation of all of the aspects of these intertwined beliefs, and from that translation, it projects an actual reality.
In this situation, the individuals that are participating are projecting an energy and a direction to their perceptions which is being translated into these types of manifestations.
The individual is creating these manifestations; not an entity, not another essence, not another focus of essence. But the perception is that another entity is creating of all of these actions and manifestations.
And let me express to you, your perceptions are so efficient at creating an actual reality – as directed by your beliefs – that it is not merely that the individual perceives that there is an entity motivating and creating these actions, but the perception has CREATED an entity to be influencing and creating these actions!
RODNEY: They have, through their perceptions, created an entity that’s present in the house?
ELIAS: It is ONLY present through their perceptions!
RODNEY: In their perception, okay.
RODNEY: Thank you.
ELIAS: For in the turning of that perception or the removal of that perception, it does not exist, in your terms.
ELIAS: But it very realistically DOES exist, as their perception creates it in continuation.
RODNEY: Alright. Is there an energy deposit there of any kind?
ELIAS: Yes, but not one that is affecting of any of the individuals that move about within that space arrangement.
ELIAS: There are energy deposits throughout the entirety of your physical space arrangement!
RODNEY: May I change my tape again?
ELIAS: You may. (Pause)
RODNEY: Would you do me a favor and repeat that last statement?
ELIAS: There are energy deposits throughout the entirety of your space arrangement in your physical dimension. There are energy deposits that have been created by every individual physical focus that has manifest within your space arrangement, within your physical dimension, throughout the entirety of your physical linear time framework, all of your history! Therefore, there are many, many, many energy deposits within your physical space.
You ALL create energy deposits in every space arrangement that you occupy. You also all move about, so to speak, within your physical dimension, and are unaffected objectively by any of these energy deposits. You move about within your objective reality, moving through many, many, many energy deposits unnoticed. Therefore, objectively they are unaffecting of you, in your terms.
There are energy deposits within that space arrangement also, but objectively they are unaffecting of the individuals that now physically occupy that space.
RODNEY: Would I be correct in my understanding of what you’ve just said – that the most helpful I could be in this situation would be to speak to them of their own perceptions, to speak to them of their own fear and their own superstition, encourage them to relax or to accept their beliefs in this, and to shift their attention to an acceptance that they can create a peaceful and nurturing space for themselves?
ELIAS: Yes. In this, you may also be encouraging in offering an expression of acknowledgment that there are no evil spirits. There are no expressions of attack from individual focuses that have chosen to be disengaging this physical dimension. This is not an expression of essence. Therefore, this is not an occurrence that shall manifest.
As any of you experience what you perceive to be attack or violation – as I have expressed in the previous experience – the association or the definition of the attack or the violation is entirely within your individual perception. It is not an assault from outside of you. No other focus does to you, quite simply. (Emphatically)
RODNEY: Understood. Would there be any value in my addressing myself to the particular energy deposit or deposits that have been left there or created there by his uncle and aunt, who lived there for so many years, in acknowledging them and accepting them, and in opening to a willingness to allow those energy deposits to be?
ELIAS: This be your choice, Zacharie. As to the question of benefit, ANY choice you engage to be experiencing within your physical focus shall be of benefit to you. But as to your association of affectingness, no.
It may be an experience that YOU may incorporate a benefit with merely in the experience, and merely allowing yourself to be interactive with different energy deposits and recognizing of them and widening your awareness in that experience.
As to the possibility or what you perceive to be the possibility of any physical affectingness of these energy deposits, and what may be perceived as an expression of them in affectingness of your physical reality, no! For they are NOT affecting of your physical reality. They are not affecting of these individuals’ physical reality.
Therefore, it is unnecessary – and in a manner of speaking objectively, pointless – to be attempting an affectingness of those energy deposits in relation to their affectingness of any individuals within physical focus, for they are not affecting of the objective realities of individuals within physical focus.
RODNEY: Oh, I understand that. I understand that. If I were to do this, I would be doing it for my own experience ...
ELIAS: This is....
RODNEY: ... and to be widening and to be accepting, and becoming aware of the energy deposit that’s there.
ELIAS: Quite, and this is a different matter, and in that, I may express to you, yes, you may be offering yourself benefit in that action.
Now; I may express to you, in like manner to the first example that you have offered this day, in relation to the physically focused individuals that occupy that space, it may be beneficial also in their experience; not in actually affecting of the energy, but in offering an influence within their perceptions.
RODNEY: I understand. That was very clear, that if I was successful in any way, recognizing or merging with any of these energy deposits, that my experience would have a beneficial effect on them shifting their perception.
Now; let me express to you, Zacharie, that shift in perception may not necessarily move into a similar perception as your own. They may continue to hold their beliefs and superstitions, and they may continue to be expressed. But in conjunction with their individual beliefs and superstitions, the fear may be allowed to be quelled as they perceive that you may be interacting with this energy that is affecting of them, and you have quelled the energy.
They are not moving into a different expression of their beliefs or their superstitions, but they are offering themselves a different choice in how they interact with it in conjunction with their beliefs. Are you understanding?
ELIAS: Therefore, in simplicity, you may appear to them to be the witch doctor that cures the evil expression! Ha ha! (Rodney cracks up) Ha ha ha!
RODNEY: I’ll bring a drum!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And I express to you, my friend, it matters not!
RODNEY: I know, I know! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
RODNEY: I’ll paint myself up like a witch doctor!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
RODNEY: And beat my drum! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) Oh, thank you so much!
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.
RODNEY: These are such fascinating moments and experiences! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And you shall continue to be creating your repertoire of experiences! Ha ha ha!
RODNEY: As I go merrily exploring along my way!
ELIAS: Quite! And I shall continue to be encouraging with you and offering my expression of energy to you, in your great adventure and fun!
RODNEY: Thank you!
ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. We shall be disengaging, as I hold an awareness of Michael’s energy.
RODNEY: Ah, yes. Okay. That was two of eight subjects that I wanted to discuss with you today!
ELIAS: Ha ha! Therefore, we incorporate many to continue with!
RODNEY: Good! I look forward to speaking with you in the near future.
ELIAS: Ha ha! And I also, my friend! We shall continue!
RODNEY: Thank you.
ELIAS: To you in tremendous affection, I offer my expression of energy to you, and anticipate our continuation of our exploration.
RODNEY: Thank you. Have a great trip! (Laughing)
ELIAS: To you this day, au revoir.
RODNEY: Au revoir.
Elias departs at 4:35 PM.
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