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Thursday, May 10, 2001

<  Session 835 (Private/Phone)  >

ďInteraction in Physical RealityĒ


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Daryl (Ashrah).

Elias arrives at 5:14 PM. (Arrival time is 13 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

DARYL: Bonjour!

ELIAS: (Laughs) Bonjour!

DARYL: So, Iím thinking this might be a pretty interesting session. I want to talk to you about the information you shared with me last time, about how we create our realities in relationship with other people.

ELIAS: Very well.

DARYL: I donít know if you already understand my understanding of that, and you can say that is correct or not correct; or do I need to express it to you?

ELIAS: (Pause) I shall express to you, in the interest of the transcription, offer your explanation.

DARYL: What I understood you to say last time was that within our individual realities, we each create movement and energy and that we project that energy outward, but it is not projected outward to a specific individual.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: And that in a relationship, I interact with their energy and I put their energy through my perception, which may or may not alter what comes out because of my own issues and beliefs, etcetera. Then I create a physical manifestation of the person based on their blueprint, and I interact with that physical manifestation, which in actuality is created by my perception and not by the other person.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: Now, my understanding through all this, where you have said that everything that I create is me and that we create from blueprints of other people, was that for instance if I was sitting in a room with a person that they would be there physically in their reality and I would be there in my reality. I would see their blueprint and create a version of them, but they would actually be there and they would be doing the same. We would actually have an interchange that went between the two of us physically, and basically the other person was there, even though my perception of them was what I was relating to.

My understanding from what you said last time is that just because I am sitting in a room with someone interacting with their physical manifestation, it does not mean that they are there in their reality with me.

ELIAS: At times.

DARYL: At times Ė they can be or not be.

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: So, Iíve been undergoing some trauma in this regard, because itís changed my conception of who I am interacting with. It seems to me that in large part I am interacting with myself and their energy, but ... it seems to me that I am not interacting with what I thought I was interacting with, necessarily.

ELIAS: In some aspects you are correct.

DARYL: Iíve also had another breathing spell, and I had a couple of dreams in one night that seemed to be related to this, at least part of it. In the first part, the dream imagery or the dream state information that I was getting seemed to be about other aspects of me or other parts of me that are doing things as part of this focus that I am not objectively aware of.

The other part seemed different. It seemed to be about all the many things that are held in the now, all the very many different interactions that are going on in the vastness of that. Both of them were kind of about the vastness of my focus and the vastness of now.

ELIAS: And your impression?

DARYL: I guess my impression is, if I am understanding what you told me last time, that physical reality doesnít work the same way that I was actually thinking it does especially in terms of interaction, and that if I really am creating everything the way I think I am, then it does give me unlimited freedom of choices, and it makes me think of physical reality as a playground of self.

Itís just different than I thought it was, and part of it is very liberating and exciting, but the rest of it ... I know I am undergoing trauma, because I am asking myself if I am talking to someone and giving them information, does anyone necessarily receive that? If I am being intimate with someone and kissing them, who am I kissing? If I give money to someone in my reality, do they necessarily get it in theirs? And even to the extreme, if I kill someone in my reality does that translate into that other personís reality, necessarily?

ELIAS: Very well.

DARYL: Itís all kind of the same question about who is that other person that I am interacting with besides myself, because I understand that there is a component of myself in that.

ELIAS: Correct. In response to your questioning as to what you are interacting with, or whom you are interacting with, I may express to you first of all, you are viewing your reality in physical terms and in relation to what you know objectively as what is familiar to you in relation to your beliefs.

Now; this also moves into the facet of separation and your familiarity with separation. As you create your questioning in your associations with this information, you continue to insert the aspect of separation in your objective understanding.

DARYL: Iíve been trying to work with that, because I am aware Iím doing that. If you put in no separation, I think it takes it out of the trauma range. I think Iím in the trauma because of being stuck in the physical reality concept and separation.

ELIAS: Correct. For you are not physically manifest within your physical dimension upon your physical planet singularly as one essence. There are MANY essences that also are physically manifest in your dimension upon your planet. Although your physical interaction with any other individual IS an interaction which is created as a projection of your own perception, you also ARE interactive with other individualsí energy.

Now; as you allow yourself to move into a clearer understanding of the lack of separation of essences, let me express to you, in relation to your example of interacting with an individual within a particular room and need they be physically present, for the most part they are; but do they need be Ė no. For in the expression genuinely of the lack of separation, you are all intertwined.

Therefore, all of the essences participating in this physical dimension are already intertwined. They are already participating within energy, and you may turn your attention to the interplay that you engage in essence and in energy with ANY individual, and you may construct a physical projection of that individual based upon the blueprint of the energy; and the individual needs not be actually physically present but shall be physically present in your projection of them through your perception.

Now; let me also express to you that this type of action, in a manner of speaking, is requiring of a genuine recognition within the individual of the lack of separation. It also is, in a manner of speaking once again, requiring holding your attention within self and allowing yourself a genuine expression of your abilities, knowing that any other individual is in actuality present with you already.

Therefore for the most part, to this point within your physical reality throughout your history, what is familiar and known to you objectively is not created in this manner. For the most part, you do create your projection of a physical manifestation of an individual in relation to your interaction with them in energy in corporeal terms. Are you understanding?

DARYL: I believe so.

ELIAS: This is not to say that you may not be creating an actual physical manifestation of any individual and be interactive with that physical manifestation which is created through your perception in any moment in any time framework, regardless of their actual physical presence with you. But...

DARYL: And whether or not they are doing it within their reality.

ELIAS: Correct, objectively.

DARYL: So, as I understand it, the way I used to think of things, that there were two people there, has been accurate; but now weíre beginning to learn of our abilities to do the interaction in a different way.

ELIAS: Correct, and offering yourself more freedom in how you create your reality and what you create within your reality, offering yourself the choice to create precisely what you want, knowing that you hold the ability to be creating that in actual physical manifestation.

DARYL: Now, say I had a relationship with someone ten years ago in what Iíll call the normal, old-fashioned way (Elias laughs), and now I get to the point where I can create this new way through my perception without necessarily the other person physically being there. Is the quality and depth and, for lack of a better word, reality of the interaction the same?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: So basically, it opens up more freedom and more choices.

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Iíve also noticed that it takes me outside of a lot of beliefs, in a sense. I have certain ideas about if I was in a romantic relationship and someone loved me, how they would feel about me within belief systems, and how I would be in competition, so to speak, with other people for their affection.

ELIAS: Correct. This is not the point.

DARYL: When you do it this other way and you say, ďI want that, and I will create it,Ē then it really doesnít have to do with the belief systems about it.

ELIAS: Correct. Let me also express to you, at times you all do allow yourselves to be creating this type of action, and you evidence that to yourselves in the return, so to speak, to the familiar creation of interaction in actual physical proximity, or in actual physical expressions between yourselves.

At times individuals may be creating an experience within their reality, and they may express Ė comment Ė to another individual concerning the interaction that they have engaged together, and the second individual shall express no association with that interaction at all.

You may express to another individual, in your commonly expressed terms, an identification and acknowledgment of your interaction with them within a previous time framework. In example, you may express to another individual, ďI offer to you an appreciation of our interaction at attending an event together,Ē and you may be expressing your common terms of thankfulness to the other individual. And within the moment, the other individual may express to you, ďI am not understanding of what you are expressing to me. I have not attended this event with you. I have not participated in this with you. You must be mistaking myself for another individual.Ē But you are not mistaken, for you have created the action, but the other individual was not within physical proximity.

You allow yourselves in these types of experiences Ė quite infrequently, but they do occur Ė to be accessing the energy of another individual, as you are all intertwined and interconnected so to speak in essence, and the other individual is present with you regardless of their physical interaction. You allow yourself to access that aspect of the energy of another essence and interact with that in the same manner that you shall in actual physical interaction which is familiar to you. For even within the physical interaction, you are not engaging the actual physical manifestation of the other individual. You are engaging YOUR physical projection from your perception of the individual.

DARYL: I guess Iím still kind of confused about what actually passes between the two individuals in either case, the case of how Iíve always thought it was or in this new case. If I am interacting with another person in any manner, am I actually interacting with THEM?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: I am not creating their reality, but I am interacting with them?

ELIAS: Yes, (firmly) but not in physical matter.

DARYL: Because the physical matter is an illusion.

ELIAS: The physical matter is created by you; that is created through the mechanism of your perception. (Pause) But you are interactive with the energy of the other individual.

DARYL: I guess what is important to me is to know that I am actually having a real interaction and that I am not just putting the energy through my perception and basically just interacting with myself, but that there is another element ... do you understand what I am saying?

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: And I am?

ELIAS: Yes. The interaction is created in energy. The physical manifestations are your own creations.

Once again, I shall reiterate to you and to all, this be the reason that I continue to express to you all, your objective imagery holds much less significance than other expressions of your reality. The perception is much more significant than the actual physical projection of matter.

DARYL: Itís just hard to really truly assimilate that since weíre so lost in the physicalness.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but this also is an aspect of this shift in consciousness and your allowance of yourselves to move into much more of an expression of freedom of movement and creation within your physical reality.

(With great emphasis) I speak quite literally as I express to you all that the entirety of your physical dimension is altering. You are altering it in this shift in consciousness, for you are expanding your design of your physical reality.

DARYL: So as the shift progresses, people are going to come to understand this more, about how they can create differently.

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: I guess I have some kind of confusion, too, about interacting with someoneís energy versus interacting with their reality and creating their reality. (Sighs)

ELIAS: You do not create any other individualís reality.

DARYL: I know, but it seems like if I have a relationship with someone and I say or do something, I know they have the choice to let that in or not, but itís still ... I donít know.

ELIAS: And this, once again, is the physical limitations that are familiar to you, that you have not quite allowed yourselves yet an objective understanding of the interaction that you create in energy, in essence, and that you ARE essence. You are not a piece of essence. You are not a portion of essence.

In the same manner that all of your focuses of your essence are present now with you, all of the other essences that participate in this physical dimension are also present with you. It is in actuality a matter of attention and which direction you choose to be focusing your attention.

DARYL: The first dream or activity in the dream state that I mentioned, where I seemed to be getting information about other parts of my focus, was that coming to an understanding of interaction within energy as opposed to interaction in physical reality? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Because it seemed in physical terms it would be kind of a look behind the scenes or something.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. Let me express to you specifically, the individual that you want to be creating interaction with and relationship with is already present with you.

DARYL: I have felt that I am interacting directly with that personís energy.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: Once I even had a conversation, and of course I just go, ďBoy, youíre really losing it now!Ē Itís like youíre talking to someone in your head.

ELIAS: This, in a manner of speaking, is your allowance in what may be identified as a beginning step in recognizing that the energy is already present.

DARYL: And already interactive.

ELIAS: Yes. It is merely a situation in which you shall or shall not allow yourself to accept that energy and create the projection through your perception in the same manner in which you shall if the individual is in actual physical proximity or is physically interactive with you in communication.

DARYL: Are you saying that once I understand my abilities, I could sit here in my living room, have a physical manifestation of that person, and interact with her?

ELIAS: Yes. This IS possible. I may express to you, this also presents tremendous challenge, for in a manner of speaking, it is the same type of action as producing the apple within your hand. You do hold this ability. It is merely a translation and a configuration of energy which is projected through your perception, which creates the actual physical manifestation in actual physical matter.

Now; if you are allowing yourself to move into that trust of your ability, yes, you may be creating that action, and I may also express to you, this creates an actual affectingness, in a manner of speaking. For the other individual, [who] may not necessarily be in physical proximity to you, shall recognize within some layer of their consciousness of their essence that there is an interaction occurring, and this may be translated in other manners objectively within the other individual.

DARYL: Okay. But that wouldnít necessarily be translated by me in physical reality?

ELIAS: No, you are not creating the other individualís reality. But the other individual may be recognizing Ė SHALL be recognizing in some layers of consciousness Ė but may be recognizing, even in some objective layers of their awareness, that there is an interaction occurring. Therefore, they may alter their expression or perception in relation to the interaction that they are participating within. Are you understanding? This is not to say that you create another individualís reality. You do not.

DARYL: I guess where Iím confused is where you say ďthe interaction that they are participating within.Ē That interaction isnít necessarily with me, though, or would it be?

ELIAS: But it is, for all of the essences overlap and intertwine. They are all present. Therefore, the individual that occupies your attention is already present. (Pause)

DARYL: I donít know. I have the feeling that Iím not getting that. (Elias laughs) So when we spoke last time, you said if I want this relationship that I can have it.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: Youíre talking about in terms of this new way, of me creating it?

ELIAS: I am speaking to you in terms of reality. I am speaking to you in terms of actual interaction. I am speaking to you in terms of what you view as this new concept, and also in terms of the familiar and what you have expressed as the traditional manner in which you create your reality Ė both.

DARYL: Both.

ELIAS: Yes, for they are affecting of each other. (Pause)

DARYL: Iíve been wondering, too, in relation to trauma ... Iím quite aware when Iím experiencing trauma in relation to stuff like this, and nobody else seems to be mentioning it. Iíve begun to go in the direction of discounting, I guess, and wondering if Iím especially trauma-prone.

ELIAS: No.

DARYL: So this is kind of what we are going to be going through as we each come to certain points of new understanding?

ELIAS: Yes, and I may express to you, many individuals create an objective definition of trauma, which they view as an event.

DARYL: Like a car accident or something.

ELIAS: Correct. Therefore, they may be experiencing some elements of trauma, but they are not labeling their experience as trauma.

DARYL: It seems to me I tend to experience it emotionally or subjectively; itís within me. Itís not something that I am creating events around, particularly.

ELIAS: Correct, and many, many individuals do not create events as they incorporate trauma, but this is your physical association and definition of trauma. This be the reason that I indicate to individuals that they are experiencing aspects of trauma, that they may allow themselves a recognition of what they are experiencing in actuality and the association of that experience in relation to this shift in consciousness.

DARYL: Well, as I was saying, feeling this in terms of freedom and choice, I did find it very exciting. I also had this sense, when I was thinking about it in the new way rather than the old physical reality way, that it did tend to bounce my attention back within self and not to get so involved in the other person.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: It seemed like it went together with it, and that they reinforced each other.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: The attention within self is necessary to implement that ability.

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: You canít have your attention outside of yourself all the time and accomplish that.

ELIAS: You are correct.

DARYL: Is there anything more you would like to say to help me with my understanding of this, which I know is still kind of shaky?

ELIAS: (Laughs) I shall merely express to you, my friend, not to be pushing upon yourself. You are already assimilating, and you shall offer yourself a clearer objective understanding subsequently.

DARYL: I also had the impression that I wanted to get some kind of understanding of this information before I proceeded within that relationship, in addition to my other reasons why I have created waiting, which we have discussed. In relation to taking down my energy block, this somehow has made me feel safer and more within self, and I think itís had the effect on me of being able to take that down more easily. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. And in this...

DARYL: And the timing with the relationship, is that correct?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

DARYL: It gives me someone to play with about it, someone who would be willing to play in that direction.

ELIAS: Correct, and in this, you also allow yourself a time framework in which you validate yourself. You allow yourself to be paying attention to self and become more familiar with that action, and as you continue that, you also dismantle this monster of fear more and more and more, to the point in which this looming monster appears to be quite small.

DARYL: Itís kind of losing its reality and its independence from me.

ELIAS: Quite! In this, as you continue that movement, you allow yourself, in a manner of speaking, to distance yourself from the familiar expressions that you have created in automatic responses previously. (Daryl sighs)

I may express to you, my friend, a tremendous acknowledgment in your slaying of the dragon, so to speak. For you have dismantled this fear to such a degree, that as I view your expression and your energy presently, this expression of fear appears to be less than a quarter of its volume previously. You have accomplished tremendously in this expression. It is viewed no longer as the dragon or the Sasquatch, but perhaps now in your physical terms as a small cat. (Daryl and Elias laugh)

DARYL: I do feel that most of the time, although I do have times when I go into fear. What Iíve noticed lately is that I have a time in the evening where I go through a little cycle of fear, but it is predictable and manageable and a very pale imitation of its previous self.

ELIAS: Quite.

DARYL: If I just let it be and wash through me, then it cycles through, and at the end I feel a loosening in the energy block, especially in my jaw.

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: It seems like Iíve still got some left to go through, but Iím doing it in that way and it doesnít interfere with what Iím trying to do, the way it was before.

ELIAS: Correct. I may express to you, be aware that even a small cat incorporates claws. (Daryl and Elias laugh) And may be...

DARYL: Thatís why I made my sword the other day. (Elias laughs) I donít know if youíre aware of that, but I now have an actual sword to slay the dragon.

ELIAS: And I am tremendously acknowledging of you, my friend, for you have incorporated great accomplishment, which is worthy of your acknowledgment also.

DARYL: Yes, it is. It is quite a pleasure to me that Iíve done that. The other thing Iíve realized from reading transcripts that are coming out from last summer is how very much more I am in the now, and especially how much my perception is turning and my attention is within self. A year ago I had the concept of that, but I didnít have any reality of being able to do it.

ELIAS: Correct.

DARYL: My consciousness really has changed a lot in the past year.

ELIAS: And shall you acknowledge yourself of your great accomplishment?

DARYL: I do. And I wanted to check with you about something else that I felt. About a month ago, I felt for about a half an hour that I offered myself acceptance.

ELIAS: In part, you are correct.

DARYL: I recognized it from the acceptance I feel from you during sessions.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

DARYL: It wasnít a complete acceptance of reality or maybe not even me, but the struggle inside me stopped and everything just was.

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Another thing I wanted to ask you is that I have the sense that in addition to my attention being more within myself, that as a result of what Iíve been thinking about the past few months and relationships and the effect on my beliefs, my concentration is shifting.

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: Okay Ė a lot going on in there! (Elias laughs) Itís so exciting, and itís fun. Iím glad I came! Iím finally losing what I describe as anger at being here.

ELIAS: And the desire to be invisible.

DARYL: Yes. (Elias chuckles) This is changing the rules to me. Instead of feeling like a victim stuck somewhere ... I donít feel the same way. Previous to this, I really have been kind of angry that I was in physical reality, if you understand what I mean.

ELIAS: Yes, and shall you allow yourself an appreciation now of yourself and of your reality and all the wonders that you create?

DARYL: Yes. (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: And is this not another expression of freedom?

DARYL: It is. It changes a lot. Anyway, I really am enjoying this process. I canít even conceive of what the futureís going to be like.

ELIAS: Wondrous, my friend.

DARYL: I would think so. (Elias chuckles) I wanted to check a couple of other things before we go. I was wondering if I have a focus that is not of similar tone who is a cowboy? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

DARYL: My toilet is still doing its blocking my natural flow thing. (Elias laughs heartily) Is there any significance to the direction itís moving in, if itís to the back or the side or the front?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) What is your impression, my friend?

DARYL: My impression is that there probably is a difference because it changes, but I donít know what the front means as opposed to the back, for instance.

ELIAS: In actuality, it is not concerning a particular position, so to speak, but merely offering you imagery concerning directions. There are certain directions in which at times you may be obstructing your natural flow. Are you understanding?

DARYL: So if Iím getting it out of the front, then it would be that direction that Iím blocking? But itís up to me to figure out what direction that signifies?

ELIAS: It is merely imagery in the expression of direction, period, not a particular direction. You are gaining your attention in relation to; you are not necessarily blocking your natural flow in all directions, but in particular directions. Therefore, the point is direction, not position.

DARYL: Okay. I think I understood that.

I also noticed that my bathroom sink, which has been clogged up for years, has miraculously unclogged itself to a large degree. (Laughing, and Elias laughs) So Iím assuming that that would correlate with something, perhaps the energy block, that is undergoing a similar action.

ELIAS: As I have expressed, it is not imagery that you are presenting to yourself in relation to the entirety of your energy flow, but merely directions of it. Therefore, there is also imagery offered in relation to a flow. Are you understanding?

DARYL: I think part of me is not understanding that.

ELIAS: There is a flow of energy; you do allow a natural flow of your energy. It is merely in certain directions in certain time frameworks in which there may be expressed an obstruction. Therefore, you create physical imagery within this physical location that offers you the identification of both, a free flow and a partial obstruction. (Chuckles) Quite creative!

DARYL: I seem to have this thing for expressing myself through plumbing (Daryl and Elias laugh), and my bird, who is also mirroring parts of this and making me a little crazy. That has to do more with relationships.

So, I can keep assimilating this information and also interacting with you in between sessions, and Iíll come to understand more about how physical reality works.

ELIAS: Quite.

DARYL: Because it doesnít work the way we think it works. Even within the context of you create your own reality, I donít think it works the way weíve been thinking it works.

ELIAS: And you are correct. (Chuckles)

DARYL: I guess itís time to let you go. Youíre always here anyway, so I guess itís time to stop interacting with you objectively. I still havenít been able to let you through in playfulness very much.

ELIAS: You shall! (Chuckles)

Very well, my friend. As always, I offer you a genuine expression of affection, and I shall continue to be expressing playfulness with you in anticipation of your participation. (Daryl and Elias laugh)

DARYL: I appreciate that.

ELIAS: I anticipate our next meeting, and offer to you great encouragement and acknowledgment in what you are creating and offering to yourself in understanding. To you, my friend, au revoir.

DARYL: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 6:12 PM.


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