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Monday, September 24, 2001

<  Session 907 (Private/Phone)  >

ďNumber of FocusesĒ

ďIdentifying the Message in the EmotionĒ


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Joseph (Dainel).

Elias arrives at 9:55 AM. (Arrival time is 32 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JOSEPH: Good morning, Elias! Down with the business! We have much to accomplish in an hour. (Elias laughs)

First of all, thereís something George wanted to know. Iím going to read exactly what he wrote me. He says, ďCould you ask a quick question for me? Elias has stated the number of focuses one has in this dimension can change and is always changing. So the figure Elias gives us when we ask how many focuses we have in this dimension will be different if we ask him later. My feeling is that this number is set and does not change, that it is the number of focuses we have in this dimension from the past, present and future, and it represents the lives we are born into, not the many aspects, probabilities, etcetera, of those lives. I would like to have this point clarified.Ē Respond.

ELIAS: Very well. I may express to you, the response to this question is yes and no. For I may say to you, generally speaking, an essence may choose a specific number of focuses to engage within this physical dimension and not necessarily alter that number. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, the number of focuses shall be set, so to speak, and not necessarily change.

But at times, essences may choose to be altering this number and incorporating other focuses of attention in addition to what you perceive to be the original numbering of focuses chosen. This occurs less frequently. But as there are no absolutes, it is possible that an essence may be choosing to incorporate more focuses of attention than was originally chosen, and there are many manners in which this may be accomplished.

JOSEPH: Elias, can I throw something in with that?

ELIAS: You may.

JOSEPH: When you are talking this way, Iím sensing something here. Iím living in linear time, experiencing that. Essence lives outside of that, and itís all there at one time. I canít see how essence can change its mind. I can see how it could change in linear time. Do you follow my question?

ELIAS: Yes. I am understanding what you are expressing, and I am also understanding the challenge presented in objective awareness for understanding of this action. For in relation to linear time, this type of action is more understandable; but in relation to simultaneous time, it may be more difficult for you to incorporate an understanding of objectively. But in actuality, the action occurs in both.

In this, as I have stated, this type of action may be accomplished in many different manners, and in the manner in which an essence may be incorporating an alteration of the numbering of focuses, it is not in actuality inconsistent with the lack of time.

Be understanding that as an essence, there are many, many, many aspects of each essence and many actions which are occurring simultaneously, many mergences with other essences that are occurring simultaneously. In that, there are many choices available to each essence in relation to a choice of manifestations. Therefore, the essence may be choosing a particular numbering of focuses of attention that it may incorporate within this physical dimension, but also it may be choosing to focus attention in cooperation with another essence to create another focus of essence simultaneously, which may be manifest within your physical dimension.

Also let me express to you, the number of focuses that I offer to each of you in a count, so to speak, incorporates merely those that are chosen as single focuses of attention by the one essence. This is not incorporating observing-essence focuses.

JOSEPH: Itís only the directing.

ELIAS: Correct. This is also not expressing a numbering of mergences which may be creating another focus of attention manifest within your physical dimension. But let me also express to you that this type of action of mergences of essences which create another physical manifestation are infrequently expressed.

JOSEPH: Can we go on to another thing now?

ELIAS: You may.

JOSEPH: Actually itís a continuation. The number of focuses you gave for me was 630, and you said the earliest was sixth century BC. Thereís two things about that. First of all, that is the late period in the Egyptian dynasty, one of the last Egyptian dynasties, I think. I know that an early focus was in an Egyptian dynasty. I just want to ask you if that focus that you confirmed was the very first of those 630 in this linear time, in that late period.

ELIAS: Are you speaking in terms of earliest or designated beginning focus?

JOSEPH: Earliest in linear time.

ELIAS: Yes, in a focus of attention of your essence.

Now; I may also express to you as I express to many individuals, this is not to say that you may not recognize an energy expression of your essence in relation to what you view as earlier or previous time frameworks as you engage an action of observing essence in relation to other focuses.

Let me express to you, my friend, that the experience of an observing essence in relation to any focus of attention may be recognized equally as strongly as an actual manifestation of focus of attention of your essence, for you...

JOSEPH: I guess I can give you two examples of focuses that I had confirmed by you, one of Michelangelo and one of Meriwether Lewis. They were quite strong.

ELIAS: Correct. I may also express to you, at times those experiences that you incorporate as an observing essence may be recognized even more clearly than those that you create within your essence...

JOSEPH: ...as the directing essence.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOSEPH: I have quite a number of very quick questions here. Basically, they relate to orientations, families, belonging and aligning to. Iíll start with my supervisor at work. First of all, is Victor common?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: I would guess that his families are Sumafi, and the other one is either Ilda or Tumold. Maybe I would say Tumold. Which one is he belonging to and aligned with?

ELIAS: Sumafi and Ilda.

JOSEPH: Oh, I guessed it! Is Victor thought focused?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Is that what makes him seem to unusually accepting? Because heís common and thought focused, heís so cool about everything? Is it that or something else? Heís an extraordinary person.

ELIAS: Partially this is an incorporation of the manner in which the individual processes information, but partially also this is an expression of the individualís personality.

JOSEPH: My friend Warren is next. You told me heís intermediate, and that he belongs to Vold and heís aligned with Milumet. Now thereíre two things that are really pronounced and puzzle me. One thing is that heís so socially focused even though he likes to be alone, and I canít see why that would be with Vold and Milumet. The other thing is I would have thought Vold has a lot to do with the revolutionary, and thereís absolutely nothing in Warren of that type of personality. Would you make a few quick comments about that, please?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, that the offerings of descriptions of essence families are generalities, and they also are not as absolute in their interpretation as you perceive them to be. What I am expressing to you is that terms...

JOSEPH: I understand that now, Elias. That is a good reminder. Just please tell me whether he is emotionally focused or...

ELIAS: Let me offer to you that terms may be expressed in relation to these identifications in many manners. An individual that is aligning with or even belonging to the family of Milumet may not necessarily be expressing an isolation in relation to their interaction with other individuals. They may be quite socially involved, so to speak, or interactive with other individuals, but the manner in which they interact with other individuals may be expressed differently than an individual that may be belonging to or aligning with the essence family of Ilda, per se. Also, the quality of being revolutionary as expressed in the Vold may be expressed in an individual in a direction of change in different expressions.

JOSEPH: Yes, I noticed that. We talked about his Vold and his changes, and thatís where that comes from.

ELIAS: Quite. Also I may express to you in relation to the orientation, many individuals that incorporate the orientation of intermediate do also incorporate interaction with other individuals quite frequently and also may be quite interactive with groups. Generally, these individuals incorporate actions such as employment or affiliations with different groups of individuals or participate in actions that shall involve groups of individuals.

This may appear confusing to you at times, for the association is that these individuals are inwardly focused and therefore your association moves in the direction of expectation that they shall be more individually focused and isolating. In actuality, individuals incorporating the orientation that you incorporate engage this type of action much more frequently than those that hold the orientation of intermediate. [Joseph is soft orientation.]

JOSEPH: So, Elias, in a lot of respects itís two main things Ė itís either not thinking in terms of absolutes, and also from that perspective I donít really see that many individuals and that makes me misinterpret things like this, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Let me go to a couple of others. I seem to be around a lot of Borledim people. I just need a quick confirmation as to whether my brother, my sister Betty, and people at work, Edward and Leonard and Margaret, all are Borledim. I donít know whether they are aligned or... Just confirm whether it is, please.

ELIAS: Are you expressing request for each individual?

JOSEPH: Are all those either aligned to or belonging to Borledim?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: I was right about that. Thank you. Back to Victor, my supervisor Ė Iím wondering if one of his focuses has been a pope around the year 1500.

ELIAS: Not a pope; a cardinal.

JOSEPH: I want a confirmation about focuses. What about Leonard, that I just mentioned? Does he have a focus as Leonardo da Vinci?

ELIAS: No.

JOSEPH: I was wondering about the man upstairs. I thought I got an impression that one of his focuses is Gandhi. Iím talking about Jeremy.

ELIAS: No, but I may express to you that this individual may be identified as a follower of that individual.

JOSEPH: In another focus?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Was he a very close follower, someone prominent, or something?

ELIAS: An individual that incorporates interaction with that focus, yes.

JOSEPH: Influencing in terms of politics?

ELIAS: Not necessarily influencing, but in tremendous agreement.

JOSEPH: What is President Bushís family and alignment? I would guess heís Sumafi and Ilda. (Pause)

ELIAS: This individual incorporates the essence family of Vold, aligned Sumari.

JOSEPH: I would like a couple of confirmations of focuses. I wonder if (inaudible), one of Georgeís friends, has a focus as Robert Schumann.

ELIAS: Observing essence.

JOSEPH: Does George have a focus as Clara Schumann?

ELIAS: No.

JOSEPH: I wonder why I got that. What about Jeff? I thought Jeff might be Brahms. (Pause)

ELIAS: No, but incorporates observing essence in relation to the partner.

JOSEPH: To who?

ELIAS: The partner of this individual of Brahms.

JOSEPH: Last time I talked with you, we talked about the Lewis and Clark expedition and about my observing focus as Meriwether Lewis and my mother as William Clark. I got off on several other focuses I thought I had gotten. One of the main things was the focus of Sacagawea, and all the emotion that poured out you said was the communication. After our session I thought about that, and I realized that thereís one person that brings forth a tremendous emotion in me, so then I began to wonder if Sacagaweaís focus is Sonny Boy.

ELIAS: No.

JOSEPH: The other thing is that when I was growing up on the farm, I think there were a lot of incidents and other types of situations that gave me clues about my other focuses. I want your confirmation as to whether that incident where my mother and I went to pick raspberries in a remote region in the woods north of the farm was kind of pointing out to me the focus that my mother and I had as Lewis and Clark.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: My brother Bob, who has a farm, is the one who sent us there. It strikes me as being so obvious that itís telling me that... Thomas Jefferson is the one who sent Lewis and Clark. I wonder if my brother Bob is a focus of Thomas Jefferson.

ELIAS: No. This was merely an interaction incorporated in this focus that you drew to yourself, so to speak, to offer yourself an avenue of communication.

JOSEPH: Another question I had is there was an Indian, Cameahwait, who was the brother of Sacagawea, and he gave tremendous assistance to the party. I donít know who he is a focus of. Iím just wondering if heís a focus of someone important to me now, someone I know well in this lifetime, that I have some involvement with in this lifetime in one way or another.

ELIAS: No. Let me express to you, my friend, you incorporate a fascination with these individuals and this time framework in relation to an expression of energy and your recognition of your experience in relation to that focus. But this is not to say that there is an incorporation of manifestations of individuals that you interact with now and that you incorporate relationship to now that are all focuses in that time framework, so to speak.

What I am expressing to you is that the focuses of attention that were manifest in that time framework and that you interacted with are manifest now also, but not necessarily in the expressions of individuals that you interact with now.

JOSEPH: Let me ask you about another focus in another timeframe altogether. Remember when I talked about my focus as Michelangelo and I asked you for confirmation that George was a focus of Pope Adrian? Well, earlier I had asked for confirmation about a focus of as a heretic in Spain and George as an inquisitor. Pope Adrian had been an inquisitor in Spain before he became pope, so it looks to me like the two focuses of mine had interaction with this one focus in two different sections of his life. In other words, the heretic had interaction with the inquisitor and then that other focus of mine at that time, Michelangelo, had interaction with the focus of Pope Adrian. Would you confirm that?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOSEPH: Thank you. I also want confirmation of a focus as a wretched beggar in 14th century London.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOSEPH: I also had information that I died around the age of 40, that I slipped on the edge of a well and fell in and thatís how I disengaged. Also, this same focus has been very influencing throughout my life, this feeling of worthlessness. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Your identification of the focus of attention is correct, and your translation of experiences is correct...

JOSEPH: The falling in a well?

ELIAS: Yes. I may also express to you that as all of your focuses are what you may term to be somewhat influencing of this focus, for there is an exchange of energy, in a manner of speaking...

JOSEPH: So this influence is influencing all of my other focuses, right?

ELIAS: Yes, although let me clarify. For although the energy expression may be quite similar or what you may term to be the same, it is also influencing in relation to YOUR attention. For in this focus you may move your attention more to the experiences of one focus than another, and therefore, in a manner of speaking, that SHALL be more influencing.

JOSEPH: Would you confirm a couple of other focuses? For a long time there were two people who worked with me who are no longer there. I thought I had got focuses of these two. Thereís two people involved. The first one is Joseph D., and I thought he was a court jester in the French court of Louis VIII, and later Louis IX. Then thereís also Mary W., who I think was Louis IX who was canonized. Would you confirm that, please?

ELIAS: You are correct in your first identification, and I may express to you, the second identification is an observing essence in partial focus.

JOSEPH: That answers a lot. My eyes bother me a lot, especially early in the morning and mainly on my way to work. Theyíre irritated and tear a lot. This has been going on for many, many months. All my life Iíve had hay fever. The first thing I want you to answer is very brief. Are these separate issues, the hay fever all my life and the recent manifestation of all this tearing, or are they part of the same issue or somewhat connected?

ELIAS: They are different expressions.

JOSEPH: Very good. The next thing I would like is could you please tell me what the issue involved is? Iím not getting a communication. I know that it means something, but I canít figure out what.

ELIAS: This action of tearing that you have been incorporating in what you may term to be recent time framework is an expression that you are creating as a signal. It is a signal to be drawing your attention more to the expressions of your emotions.

JOSEPH: In other words, spend more time looking at them rather than reading while Iím trying to work? Or am I misinterpreting you?

ELIAS: To move your attention more in the direction of the communications of your emotions.

JOSEPH: Youíre mainly referring to the sexual emotions, right?

ELIAS: The communication of your emotions, not merely the signal or the feeling of emotion.

I may express to you, my friend, many times you allow yourself to pay attention to the signal or the feeling of an emotion but are not necessarily paying attention to the message, the communication.

JOSEPH: I hear what youíre saying but I donít understand what youíre saying.

ELIAS: In this, many times also you ignore even the signal of emotion, unless it is expressed in somewhat of a strength of feeling, so to speak.

As I have stated previously, each emotion is a communication. In paying attention to the communication, you offer yourself a clearer identification of what you are associating with in the moment, what you are creating, what your movement is within...

JOSEPH: Elias, Iím very aware of what Iím feeling at the time, but I canít connect what would be the problem with the emotion Iím experiencing. What is that telling me? What you said doesnít give me a clue as to an explanation, so far, of anything.

ELIAS: This is not necessarily a problem.

JOSEPH: Itís a problem because the physical manifestations are so severe. Itís obviously telling me something, to work through some issue, to change something or look at something. So far I havenít figured out what that is.

ELIAS: No, and this is your confusion. You are translating through thought that this manifestation is being created in relation to an issue or a problem that you assess you must be working through. What I am expressing to you is that your translation in thought is a tremendous complication of the actual message. The message is much more simplified.

JOSEPH: What is that message, then?

ELIAS: The message is merely to be allowing yourself to pay attention to the communication aspect of emotion.

JOSEPH: I hear what youíre saying, but I still donít know what to do.

ELIAS: It is not a question of doing, my friend.

JOSEPH: Iím paying attention to doing something. Thatís what Iím saying Ė I pay attention and I donít see anything. What am I missing, Elias?

ELIAS: Quite! You do not see, for what you are paying attention to is the signal.

JOSEPH: The signal, which is the irritation and tearing, right?

ELIAS: Correct! You are paying attention to the signals of physical manifestations. You are paying attention to the signals of emotion. You quite easily identify the signal or the feeling of an emotion. If you are offering an emotional communication to yourself, you recognize the identification of the signal quite quickly. Irritation, anxiety, happiness, glee, pleasure, disappointment Ė you identify the signals quite quickly. But this is the area in which you hold your attention, and you do not pay attention to the communication. This is another expression entirely.

JOSEPH: Elias, I am not understanding at all!

ELIAS: Very well. Offer to myself one example of one emotion and experience that you have incorporated in recent time framework that we may examine together in explanation of what I am expressing to you.

JOSEPH: Elias, I donít really have one. All I can tell you is that Iím on my way to work, Iím sitting on the train trying to read, and my eyes water. Then when Iím starting my job, theyíre watering like crazy a lot of times. I donít see anything beyond that.

ELIAS: Very well. First of all, let me express to you that the tearing is merely an expression to be paying attention. This may not necessarily be occurring in a time framework in which you are offering yourself a specific...

JOSEPH: Because I donít have a feeling in the moment. Iím just curious. Another time during the day, right?

ELIAS: It may be, yes. It may be occurring simultaneous to an emotional communication or it may not. The point is that you are creating this semi-continuously to be gaining your attention.

Now; regardless of the action of the tearing, present to me any experience in which you recognize an emotional signal. It matters not what you choose.

JOSEPH: Elias, I donít know what to offer you because there isnít really that much going on emotionally when this is happening. Iím basically just going to work. Iím enjoying the men on the train as I go to work, but the tearing continues even when theyíre out of my view. The work doesnít really provoke much emotion. Iím waking up in the morning and Iím not that wide-awake, but that doesnít seem significant, I donít think.

ELIAS: I am understanding, my friend.

Now; Dainel, listen to myself and pay attention to what I am inquiring of you. It matters not; we are not discussing in this moment the action of the tearing. I am offering to you the opportunity to examine an example of how you may be turning your attention. This shall be affecting of this manifestation of tearing. Therefore, move your attention momentarily away from the action of the tearing.

JOSEPH: Away in terms of time or in terms of whatís going on at the same time?

ELIAS: In terms of your thinking presently. Discontinue thinking of the action of the tearing, and respond to my inquiry in offering me any example of a signal of an emotion.

JOSEPH: Elias, Iím totally baffled. I canít give you an example of an emotion at that time...

ELIAS: I am not inquiring in association with the time framework of the tearing.

JOSEPH: Well, there are a lot of emotions that go through me from time to time, I think.

ELIAS: Choose any signal in any specific experience.

JOSEPH: Youíre asking a really difficult question here. You can pick some emotion out of the air that I might have experienced at some time in my present life...

ELIAS: In recent time framework.

JOSEPH: Gosh. The strongest of my emotions is in the sexual realm, or are you talking about something else?

ELIAS: It matters not. I am speaking of emotional communications in general.

JOSEPH: Elias, Iím just baffled. Iím totally baffled. Could you give me some help in this, please?

ELIAS: Now; let me identify to you. In this present moment you are experiencing a signal. In this present moment in conversation with myself, you are creating a signal and an emotional communication in this moment as you engage conversation with myself.

JOSEPH: I am in terms of anxiety over trying to deal with this and trying work through Ė well, ďwork throughĒ is the wrong expression Ė trying to respond to you, I guess. I canít think of...

ELIAS: Very well.

Now; LISTEN. For I shall engage an explanation and an offering of this moment as an example to you of what I am communicating to you, and you may incorporate this as an exercise to allow yourself a means in which you may turn your attention. Do not interrupt, and listen.

In this present moment, you are offering a communication from your subjective awareness to your objective awareness. The communication is expressed in the form of an emotion. You are receiving the signal. The signal is anxiety and frustration. This is NOT the communication; this is the signal.

You are engaging your thoughts in the attempt to be translating what you are communicating to yourself, but in that action you are creating an intensity of focusing your attention upon your thoughts. Your attention is focused upon the thinking to an extent in which you have associated that your attention and your thoughts are synonymous. Therefore, you have created already an aspect of confusion.

Now; continuing as you hold your attention so intensely upon your thought processes, your attention is moved away from the communication which lies in the emotion. Therefore, even the signal of the anxiety and the frustration is partially being ignored, for your attention continues to be focused upon the thoughts. The thoughts begin accelerating, for the thoughts are attempting to incorporate their natural function, which is to be translating in objective terms the communication.

But as your attention is so focused upon the mechanism of the thoughts, the attention is not offering a clear avenue for the actual communication. Therefore, thought is being offered distortion. It moves to an automatic translation associated with familiar and does not offer you a clear explanation or translation of what is occurring, for it is being obstructed. For your attention is focused almost singularly upon the mechanism of the thoughts, and they continue to accelerate and generate but offer you little information in translation.

Now; if you move your attention away, so to speak, from the thought process, away from the thinking, and turn it to the signal... This is not to say that you shall disengage the action of thinking or that your thought process shall stop; you shall continue to be incorporating thinking, but the manner in which you are thinking shall alter. For in turning your attention first to the signal, your thinking occupies itself with translating what you are feeling within your experience, and it identifies this in simple one-word terms. Feeling: anxiety. Feeling: frustration. Feeling: tension. This is its function.

Now; you may move your attention further through the signal, allowing a clear avenue for the natural function of your thinking by turning your attention slightly more to what the communication is of the emotion.

Now; in turning your attention slightly farther through the signal, the feeling, you allow your thoughts to continue their process of translation. The process of translation follows your attention and begins to translate to you, ďAh, frustration. The frustration is occurring in relation to the action of blocking energy. The blocking of energy is occurring...Ē

JOSEPH: Elias, I hate to interrupt you in the middle of this because you asked me not to, but youíre going on and on and Iím not understanding. Iím not following any of this at all! Itís totally abstract and I canít relate it to anything specific. The abstraction just doesnít offer anything to me at all. I have to communicate that to you.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. Let me express to you merely an identification that this action of tearing that you have been incorporating is temporary. As you continue, you shall offer yourself a recognition and objective assimilation of this action that I have been expressing to you. As you turn your attention, this action of tearing shall discontinue.

JOSEPH: Okay, Iíll take that on faith so I can go on. As I said, I donít understand, but Iíll take it on faith that I will. Shall we go on to another little matter in the time we have?

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

JOSEPH: Something a little bit lighter. (Elias chuckles) My cat does two things. One is he kisses me a lot. He kisses me with his nose and rubs his lips against me, more than any other animal Iíve ever had or known about. The other thing is he does a tremendous amount of scratching in his cat-box. Itís not that itís covering what he put in it, but itís a lot of scratching and it irritates the hell out of me.

So the first question is, the show of affection Ė is it correct to translate that the same way as affection that humans show? And if not, explain. The second is whatís the scratching all about?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

JOSEPH: Thatís enough of that! He certainly must love me tremendously! (Elias chuckles) The second issue is whatís the scratching about?

ELIAS: This, in actuality, we shall not incorporate tremendous discussion concerning, but I shall express to you, is a reflection of your energy. This creature is incorporating that action, which is creating a response of irritation in you, in relation to this subject matter that we have been discussing in this session.

JOSEPH: Itís connected to the tearing, huh?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Wow! Well, I guess thatíll take care of that. (Elias chuckles) Just let me ask you one little thing about focuses. There are all these focuses of the essence Rose. I know that one is in Wisconsin. Iím terribly intrigued by something. The one in Wisconsin is Gramada; he comes from that family. Iím Gramada and I have loads of family members in Wisconsin. This is a wild thought, but I wonder if that focus of Rose whoís Gramada in Wisconsin might be one of those nieces or nephews of mine. Just answer yes or no.

ELIAS: No.

JOSEPH: Thank you. I think Iím way over, am I not? (Elias laughs) Thank you for your time, talking and helping me. I wish I could get more communication objectively from you in my thoughts. I talk to you a lot and I ask you things, but I donít get it objectively. I guess I do get another way, right?

ELIAS: Yes, you do. (Laughs)

JOSEPH: That confirmation helps, so thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend. I shall also express to you acknowledgment of recognition of recent emergence day, in relation to your choice to begin your manifestation in this physical focus.

JOSEPH: Wait a minute, wait a minute! Iím lost here!

ELIAS: That which you within your physical expression define as your day of birth.

JOSEPH: You lost me, Elias. I donít know what youíre telling me there.

ELIAS: Have you not incorporated...

JOSEPH: Oh, youíre telling me ďhappy birthdayĒ! (Laughing) I am so dense! (Elias laughs loudly)

ELIAS: I am offering an acknowledgment.

JOSEPH: Thank you, thank you. (Elias laughs) I canít ask you when your birthday is because itís just always, all the time!

That reminds me, I want to ask you something about birthdays. George has 1414 focuses. In a case where a person has a lot of focuses like that, are the birthdays generally distributed evenly throughout the days of the year, or are they kind of clustered in certain spots in time, or does it vary a lot?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the expression of the essence and...

JOSEPH: It varies a lot, then.

ELIAS: Yes, this is an individual choice.

JOSEPH: Thank you, Elias, and good-bye.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend. As always in great affection to you, au revoir.

JOSEPH: Iíll be talking to you every day.

Elias departs at 11:03 AM.


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