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Monday, July 31, 2000

<  Session 669 (Private/Phone)  >

ďOrientations/InteractionĒ

ďTension/Lack of ClarityĒ

ďRelationships/IntimacyĒ


Participants: Mary (Michael) and Joseph (Dainel).

Elias arrives at 9:33 a.m. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

JOSEPH: Good morning, Elias! Mary and I had a long conversation just before you came on the scene, and in trying to extricate myself from that conversation, I jokingly remarked, ďDo you suppose Elias is fidgeting in the waiting room?Ē

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

JOSEPH: Speaking of jokes, Iím going to attempt another one. Shall we call the Elias sessions ďThe Ennis Book of RecordsĒ? I mean, who else would go into a trance and produce such a record?

ELIAS: (Laughing) Although you may surprise yourselves, and other individuals may be those that keep accounts of this phenomenon more so than Michael! Ha ha!

JOSEPH: Do you have any hints in regard to this that I can pursue?

ELIAS: I express to you, Dainel, pursue YOUR joyfulness and your desire!

JOSEPH: Thatís a good enough answer. I have some questions for George, to start out with.

ELIAS: Very well.

JOSEPH: Last time, we talked about his dear old pooch that had just disengaged, and George wants to know if Emma has remanifest yet.

ELIAS: No.

JOSEPH: Okay, thank you. Now, the next question George has is about Jeff. Heís very weak, and in a previous session you had with George, you said that the main probability or the strongest probability was that he was not making the choice to alter the situation at the time, but possibly in the future. George wants you to be more specific and clarify just what you meant, in that Jeff created this stroke to not participate in the officially accepted reality.

In other words, to confirm Georgeís impression that Jeff chose the stroke to be free of the obligations of teaching, in that he isnít able to receive his regular pay and extended sick leave. (Pause)

ELIAS: You may confirm the impression that has been offered, in that this individual has created a choice to be disengaging from activities viewed as obligation, and allow himself movement in a different direction, and continues presently to be engaging this choice.

JOSEPH: Okay, thank you. In my last session with you, I also asked you if you would please give me the time of birth of a certain focus of mine, a contemporary of Martin Luther of Reformation fame, and you suggested that I might try to get it on my own, and shortly after our conversation, the time 10:45 a.m. popped into my head, along with the city of Verona, Italy. Then I discovered that the rectified birth time was accessible to me; it was 11:22 a.m. However, I trust myself more than I trust other astrologers. Furthermore, astrologers give Rome as the location of birth, and the Encyclopedia Brittanica gives Caprese, Italy as the location of birth.

So, my two questions for you are, first, is 10:45 a.m. correct? And second, is Rome correct? (Pause)

ELIAS: As to your first question regarding your impression of time, your assessment of time is close. You may adjust the minute number to 47.

JOSEPH: Oh wow! Fabulous!

ELIAS: And to your second question in relation to birthplace, your second identification is correct.

JOSEPH: Caprese, Italy?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Okay. Very good. Okay, another thing I want to know is, am I thought focused or emotionally focused or some other focus? (Pause)

ELIAS: You have manifest in the design of emotional focus.

JOSEPH: Thatís why I have trouble responding to some people, Ďcause I emote rather than think, right? Is that correct?

ELIAS: This is the manner in which you receive information, and in this, in your physical terms, it also is quite influencing of your responses. It is, in a manner of speaking, the manner in which you process information.

JOSEPH: Okay, okay. I understand. Is George thought focused or emotionally focused? I would say thought focused. Am I correct? (Pause)

ELIAS: No.

JOSEPH: Heís emotionally focused too?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Wow! Okay. I want to ask you about the orientations of quite a number of people that I either know presently or have been involved with in the past. You would know these, right?

ELIAS: Correct.

JOSEPH: First, Bernie. I would say sheís common. (Short pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

JOSEPH: I would say that my friend Bob might be intermediate.

ELIAS: Now; express to me what you identify as qualities, that you ďguessĒ this individual to be intermediate.

JOSEPH: He is very solitary. He doesnít seem to deal objectively. (Elias chuckles) Thereís a possibility that he might be just totally opposite to soft, Ďcause sometimes thatís deceptive, the way a person responds, but I donít think he seems that responsive to individuals, or needs individuals that much.

ELIAS: Now; I shall express to you, your identification of soft is correct. (Pause)

JOSEPH: Oh, so he IS soft. Okay, thank you.

I would like to know about my parents and siblings. I would say that my mom and dad were mismatched. I had the impression that Dad would be soft and Mom would be common. I think Dad is soft because, well, thereís a lot of things. Dad was such an emotional person for a man, even though he didnít cry. He just got mad all the time. The other thing, which is more important, is that he had the strongest need for interaction with people. Any time he would get a chance to interact, he would, like he would go out on business in town, or some excuse or other, so he could be talking to people. It seems like thatís a soft trait to me, but I donít know.

ELIAS: I shall express to you, both of your parents hold the orientation of common.

JOSEPH: Both my parents are common?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Oh boy! I have some things to learn then, Elias! Okay, now just answer yes or no. Are all my siblings one orientation? (Pause) Thatís not too general, is it?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOSEPH: They are all one orientation?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: So theyíre all common, huh?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: So Iím the only soft one in the whole family! Wow! No wonder I always felt so left out! (Elias chuckles) Woe is me! I thought maybe Tom or possibly Jim might be something different.

So the next question is, I wonder why my brother Jim has such a ... well, why his social problems are so severe, or seem so severe to me. His sensitivity seems so great.

ELIAS: What is the nature of your concern?

JOSEPH: I think we better just skip this. I donít think itís that important. I want to get on to other things. I might define that question a little better in a future session, because I donít have the answer very well formulated in my mind.

ELIAS: Very well.

JOSEPH: So, let me go on to another question. My friend Curtis that I lived with in Ď92, what is his orientation? (Short pause)

ELIAS: Common.

JOSEPH: Okay. What about Sonny Boy, the man I lived with at the same time who is now deceased? (Short pause)

ELIAS: Soft.

JOSEPH: He was soft? Wow! What about Lee? Now, you mentioned that these are people I get along with, and I got along better with Sonny Boy than anyone else, and Lee is another person I got along extremely well with, living with. I wonder if Lee might be soft too?

ELIAS: No. This individual, common.

JOSEPH: Lee is common. Hmm. Well, itís a mystery to me why I got along so well living with Lee. I didnít have any trouble. The only problem I had with Lee was the financial thing.

I wonder if the preacher at the church where I play might be soft. His name ... Iím trying to think of his name. Do you know who Iím talking about? Oh, Randall is his name.

ELIAS: Common.

JOSEPH: Common, alright. Bernieís mom Loretta, sheís common too, I presume. (Short pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOSEPH: Okay. Iím wondering about my efforts to try to develop self-approval and self-acceptance, my progression in that regard. But more specifically, Iím wondering what else I can do besides the things Iíve been trying. You know that I give myself affirmations that I approve of and accept myself, and I make note of times when Iím not, and a lot of times I think Iíve turned the direction of my mind away from thinking things that would be self-disapproving, or discounting rather.

One thing Iíve noticed is more and more guilt and lack of self-acceptance. It keeps coming up constantly. I would say Iím very, very bad! (Laughing, and Elias grins) I refuse to live like a nun, scrupulously following the rules that have been put before me, and confessing my sins when I donít. But the facts are, I deal with a lot of guilt, which is something Iíve started to really notice.

Is there a more effective way to resolve the guilt than what Iíve been doing? As you know, I tell myself that I approve of my actions and that I choose not to align with mass beliefs in duplicity, and I tell myself that Iím a wondrous, glorious being and that Iím not bad or guilty of anything. Do you have any comments to make on that?

ELIAS: I shall express to you, Dainel, you ARE participating in this wave in consciousness presently, addressing to the belief system of duplicity. Therefore, aspects of this belief system are emphasized or may appear at times to be objectively exaggerated, in a manner of speaking, that you may allow yourself to view many different aspects of the expressions of duplicity.

At times, this also brings surfacely elements that you hold within self, such as guilt, or doubt in many areas of your own movement or your own abilities, so to speak.

Now; in this, I may express to you that you may allow yourself to practice [this] also. In the moments that you are experiencing this rise or the noticing within you of guilt, or a tremendous discounting of yourself in being not good enough yet, in your terms, you may turn your attention temporarily and allow yourself to view yourself as another individual.

JOSEPH: View myself as another individual Ė thatís intriguing! Iíll have to check that out.

ELIAS: In this action, temporarily, as you project your attention and allow yourself to view that expression of guilt as though it were being expressed by another individual, you may allow yourself much more of an expression of acceptance.

And in this, as you notice the acceptance, in part, that you may be willing to engage in association with other individuals, you may also subsequently turn this recognition to self, and afford yourself the same expression of compassion and acceptance that you may offer to another individual.

This may offer you temporarily an efficient method, so to speak, to be practicing in the movement of acceptance, not merely in the offering of affirmations to yourself. I have expressed to you previously to be engaging in affirmations as an initial step, which you have engaged and has been effective to a point.

Now you may engage a different type of step, so to speak, that may be more interactive with self, by projecting an aspect of yourself, figuratively speaking, before you, and allowing yourself to view yourself as another individual, and view the types of responses that you may offer to that individual that you do not necessarily offer to yourself.

JOSEPH: Okay, Elias. Thank you for that.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

JOSEPH: I want to go back to my questions about the orientations of different people. Iím wondering if a question I want to ask is too general or vague for you to answer. The question is, I work around a lot of people. Itís very large, and I couldnít ask about everybody there. I mainly want to know if itís possible for you to tell me if certain individuals Iím close to are either intermediate or soft. I canít be specific; I just wonder if itís possible for you to.

ELIAS: I shall express to you, for the most part, the individuals that you interact with within your employ hold the orientation of common....

JOSEPH: Yes, I would guess that. Iím sure of that, but Iím just wondering if one or two of them might be soft or intermediate, and Iím just wondering if you could tell me which ones, of the ones Iím fairly close to; I mean close in terms of how much I relate to them or deal with them.

ELIAS: I may express to you, you do not interact with individuals in an ongoing manner that hold the orientation of intermediate.

As to the orientation of soft, I shall present to you the challenge. Yes, you do interact with one individual that also holds the orientation of soft. This shall present to you an exercise which may be beneficial to you....

JOSEPH: You know who comes to my mind as you say that? Thomas. Is my impression correct Ė the black sales leader?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Oh, I got it right away, huh?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Well, good for me! Iím patting myself on the back!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

JOSEPH: Okay! So thatís the only one that I interact very much with in my employ. Thereís no other one, right?

ELIAS: No.

JOSEPH: Just from a distance. Okay. Well, thatís great! That answers my question very well and thoroughly. Thank you.

In the last session, you confirmed that Curtis has a focus in the American slavery era as a female Afro-American slave, and I was a male slave. We had an intimate relationship, and we were separated, and the female slave was sold. Iím wondering about the separation. I have a notion that she was sold because she caused a lot of trouble with the authorities, and she was later in a secret network where all the slaves escaped to Canada, or some other snarled situation along those lines.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOSEPH: Okay, thatís all I need to know. Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

JOSEPH: I became very drawn to Afro-Americans about two decades ago, and I know this is tied in with a relationship I had, where I met a young Afro-American man who had very, very strong sex with me. But then I had a horrible experience when we parted, and I ended up in the hospital with a broken nose. I didnít want to have bad feelings about him, so what I did is, I tried to replace him in meditations with someone who loved me and wouldnít hurt or injure me.

Well, Iím wondering if ... in this meditation, what appeared in my mind was an extremely strong, attractive Afro-American, along with just the fact that he was an initial experience for me, although I think that was only part of it. It seems that thereís more behind that, and thatís really my question. What else is behind my strong attraction to Afro-Americans besides that, or in addition to that?

ELIAS: I shall express to you that you have created this draw within yourself, that you may be allowing yourself to address to your individual movement, in how you address to situations and the belief systems that may be influencing of those situations.

Now; in this, you move in a type of expression, that you associate certain movements of your own and directions that you choose with individuals. It is quite efficient within your focus to be associating concepts with individuals. You incorporate the symbolism of individuals as a type of focal point to focus your attention.

In this, you have encountered or participated in the creation of a specific type of relationship and interaction with another individual, and in this, you have also associated the individual with certain actions.

Subsequent to the disengagement of the relationship, you have continued to use this symbol, so to speak, which is embodied in the identification of this individual, as a type of focal point to be moving your attention in different manners; not in the direction of acceptance of the choices of the individual, but in an overlaying expression in which you continue a draw to the identification of this individual, and project that in an attraction to other individuals of this ethnicity.

You continue to create an action of drawing this circumstance, so to speak, to your attention through that symbology, that you may move into the expression of addressing to the beliefs which are influencing of the perception that creates that type of action and interaction in relationships. (Pause)

JOSEPH: Well, that gives me quite a bit to think about, and Iím sure Iíll have more questions as I think about it. So I thank you for the answer, and let me go on to something else.

In the last session, we talked more about my orientation, which is soft, but there are a couple of lingering questions. I do know that much of the description of soft fits very strongly. What continues to puzzle me is your assertion that a person of this orientation that is not in continuous interaction with others is in conflict.

Now, the first mystery to clear up is the real definition of what you mean by interaction, and the second mystery is a question of whether this (inaudible), or that what goes through their minds is different from individuals of other orientations, and could that mean that our alternate selves are in continuous interaction. But then, how could a person even choose this? Itís something spontaneous, so the person couldnít be not interactive, or in potential conflict.

Well, first define what you mean by interaction, and then weíll go on from there, please.

ELIAS: Continuous interaction may or may not be expressed in an actual verbal exchange or in a physical exchange. Individuals that hold this orientation of soft may be creating a continuous interaction in energy, and this may be accomplished and expressed not necessarily with other individuals in an objective expression. Are you understanding?

JOSEPH: Yeah, I understand so far, but I donít feel like Iíve been given the definition of continuous interaction, and what you mean by that. I recognized what you said, that a person may not necessarily be in physical contact or objective communication.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOSEPH: But then what else would there be?

ELIAS: You are also moving in a correct identification as you express your questioning as to the involvement with alternate selves, or other focuses or other aspects of other essences also.

JOSEPH: Okay. Well, I guess thatís about as much as I can get out of that at the moment. I might have more questions later on.

Recently, Iíve recognized how much of a need I have to work with other people to get myself moving. Now, thatís always been there, but for some reason, my mind is really focused on that. If I work alone, I feel like Iím frozen or stuck on slow speed. However, when I work with another person, Iím bursting with energy. Iím virtually unable to control the speed of my movement. The solution might be to alternate between working with another individual and working alone, but another problem is that I donít have the choice of working with other people most of the time.

I spoke to my boss about my need to work with others Ė I did that recently Ė and could I get him to go along with my need. If you have any clues as to how I can talk to my boss and get him to let someone work with me once in a while, that would solve the problem. Just say a few words about that, please. Then Iíll go on to another aspect.

ELIAS: I am understanding of your expression in this area, and this also is a quality in expression of your orientation, which shall also provide you more information concerning your orientation.

JOSEPH: It sure has!

ELIAS: In this, let me express to you, you may be, in your physical terms, accomplishing this direction with less intensity of pushing.

JOSEPH: Can you describe what you mean by less intensity of pushing?

ELIAS: In your interaction with....

JOSEPH: Oh, in my interaction with others.

ELIAS: Yes, and....

JOSEPH: So they wonít be too stimulated. Okay, I understand you. Yeah, thatís one solution, but another solution I seek is for when I canít interact with others, you know?

ELIAS: I am understanding.

In this, you may be viewing your interaction with the individual that you identify as your supervisor, and you may be recognizing that your identification of need in intensity also creates an expression outwardly of pushing with this individual ...

JOSEPH: Okay....

ELIAS: ... and in that action, you are creating an obstacle....

JOSEPH: Okay, I understand. Now, what approach do I use?

ELIAS: Allow yourself to be recognizing and expressive of your want, but also creating an allowance of energy in interaction with the other individual.

In this, as you allow yourself to relax, you also shall offer to yourself a clearer viewing of your choices. You block some expressions of your own individual ability in creativity, to be approaching different scenarios or situations, by incorporating an intensity of tension within your energy.

As you experience an intensity in your identification of your feelings, you also automatically begin creating this tension within yourself, which is translated not merely in your physical form Ė which it is, for it is affecting of your actual interaction of your muscles Ė but it also is projected within your energy.

Let me express to you, Dainel, other individuals feel your energy!

In this, as you are creating this tension, you also block your clarity in allowing yourself to view all of your individual choices.

Now; this is significant, for you incorporate this action in many situations, not merely this one. You create this tension in situations, and as you create that tension, you also narrow your field of vision, so to speak, and as you narrow your field of vision, you create obstacles in [not] allowing yourself to view all of your choices.

Whereas, if you are allowing yourself to be relaxing your energy, you also may allow yourself to move easily into a natural expression of interaction with other individuals, for this allows you to draw other individuals to you.

(Intently) Let me express to you, hear what I am stating to you. Your supervisor within your employment is not creating the denial to you to be interactive with other individuals. YOU are creating that action, in pushing with your energy and creating this expression of tension.

JOSEPH: So itís a matter of trying to relax, and Iíll succeed in my endeavors.

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Okay. Well, I think that answers that very well, for the moment at least. Maybe later Iíll have more questions, but letís go on to something else, okay?

ELIAS: Very well.

JOSEPH: Thank you. One evening while I was brushing my teeth, I had this fantasy conversation with you. I referred to a position in the musical world, with Wagner and Liszt and their followers on one side, and Brahms and Debussy and their adherents on the other side, and I noted that my musical and artistic sister Doris, who just visited me, which is why sheís on my mind so strongly, went through a phase with a strong liking for Debussy, but she seems to dislike everything by Franz Liszt, and I suspect that maybe she has a focus involved in the 19th century.

I remember you saying in my mind that she has a focus as Richard Wagner, and mentally I jumped because itís a little astounding, and Iím not sure it fits, although I could see it. Afterwards, I thought about it, and I could see it.

Anyway, like I said, mentally I heard you say that she has a focus as Richard Wagner. Would you care to repeat that? (Laughing)

ELIAS: I shall express to you, this is an objective misinterpretation. I have not identified that this individual is that individual in another focus, but is closely associated with that individual.

JOSEPH: Okay. Was she well-known? Is it a name I would recognize?

ELIAS: This individual is a family member to that other individual.

JOSEPH: To Richard Wagner?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: You mean, not his wife or one of his lovers, but a family member?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Like his mother or a sibling, or something like that? Richard Wagner was a bastard, I think. His father and mother never married. His father, I guess, was an actor. Would you tell me which family member, or do you want me to try to get that myself?

ELIAS: Offer to me presently, in this moment, in playfulness, what is your impression?

JOSEPH: Well, Iím seeing in my mind my sisterís acting ability, and this bastard father. I wonder if Iím getting it?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOSEPH: Okay. Wow! Good for me!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

JOSEPH: Okay. No wonder I couldnít ... I mean, I would never have thought of that Ďcause itís so remote. Okay.

Now, I wondered about another definition of yours, and I have to say what I think before I ask you how you define creative or creativity, because I think I may understand it to a certain extent.

Now, to illustrate that, Iím gonna tell you that I thought I saw my creativity extend way beyond myself; in other words, way beyond what anybody would see. I mean, people can see me paint. People can see me do things physically, but they canít see how my energy extends to other things, like the park across the street was redone by the city, which was a big undertaking Ďcause the city rarely does anything to the park. Down the street thereís a new building next to the school, and on the other side of me, itís the same thing. I play the piano at two nursing homes, and they are spending a lot of money on their pianos, and most people donít do that when theyíre in the inner city. The department where I work has gone through a lot of renovation and expansion. Everything around me seems to improve, and that seems to be an extension of my creativity. Even in this place, for example, the landlord is gutting the apartments and redoing them completely.

In a recent session, I asked if you would give my intent, and you told me that I might be able to figure it out by looking at my life and putting things together, as though they were pieces of a puzzle. Well, that sure was a puzzle! All I could do was scratch my head on that one! When all this stuff I was just telling you about came into my head, I didnít think about my intent at all, but Saturday morning, all of a sudden, it just struck me like the proverbial ton of bricks that Iím looking at my intent. So, Iíd like you to express my intent in an Elias way. First, confirm that Iím seeing my intent, and then express it the way you express it. Iím turning it over to you now.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) I shall express to you, yes, you are offering yourself a recognition and impressions concerning your intent in this focus, and you are also examining the expression of creativity and your participation in that expression of creativity.

In this, incorporated in association with your orientation and the design of expression of that orientation, you have chosen to be exploring other avenues of creativity that may be what you identify to be more obscure objectively than those that are identified through mass recognition.

You exhibit talents Ė or what you may identify as talents Ė in this focus, and within the assessment of other individuals, and even yourself previously, you may have viewed those talents as expressions of your creativity. But once again, this is the surface viewing and what you may term to be the narrow identification of your expression of creativity.

For your exploration, which is your intent in this focus, is to be recognizing and manipulating energy that is expressed in a more abstract type of movement of energy, which is affecting in creative expressions, but not necessarily in what may [be] viewed as obvious, as expressions such as your musical endeavors or....

JOSEPH: Painting.

ELIAS: Correct. ...but your manipulation of energy in participation with aesthetic value, in all that you create within your environment surrounding you. Are you understanding?

JOSEPH: Yes. Okay, I think that rounds out what I was seeing and thinking. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

JOSEPH: I have these friends, John and Warren. Iíve mentioned Warren, and John is someone he always hangs around with, much more than he does with me. Warren goes crazy because John keeps giving Afro-American and Hispanic men money for sex, and as a result isnít wanting to work. I would like to offer an understanding that might help Warren get a sense of what John is doing with his life.

There is one particular situation that Warren and myself have an interest in hearing your thoughts on. This is the strongest long-term relationship that John has had. Itís with a man named Julio, who doesnít work. John supports Julio, and Julio doesnít even give him sex. Julio was a drug addict, but there is a recent development. First of all, John was giving Julio money for drugs all these years, and then all of a sudden, Julio changed, and suddenly, unexpectedly, heís a different person and heís not on drugs anymore. I think what happened is that an alternate version replaced the primary one.

Also, can you tie the answer in with what Johnís intent is in life? He has no interest in the Elias stuff, as far as I know. Iíve never really talked to him about it, but I might, if you give me some tasty information that I think he might nibble on.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And what is your motivation, Dainel?

JOSEPH: Understanding, I think. (Elias chuckles) If I was maybe more calm about it, and feeling less exasperated with John....

ELIAS: Ah!

JOSEPH: Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes. Now; I shall express to you that this individual creates a different type of....

JOSEPH: Youíre talking about John now, right?

ELIAS: Yes. ...a different type of exploration within his focus than do you.

There is a fascination with the movement of energy and the choices of individuals that move contrary to what you in mass beliefs identify as positive or good, and in this, there is a fascination with the expressions associated physically with good and bad and right and wrong.

Therefore, this individual involves himself in interactions and contemplations, in a manner of speaking, in scenarios that present objective examples of acceptable and not acceptable, and in this, chooses to be exploring aspects of the unacceptable as acceptable.

Now; let me also express to you the inquiry as to why this shall be bothersome to you?

JOSEPH: Why it bothers me that John is doing this, or why it bothers me that Warren is always upset by it?

ELIAS: Either! Both!

JOSEPH: Okay, it doesnít bother me ... it DOES bother me a little bit what John is doing, but only because of jealousy. Heís getting some and Iím not! (Laughing) Which Warren wonít say anything about because of that. It bothers me what Warren is doing because I feel he should just let John live his own life and not worry about what John is doing, but I wouldnít express that to Warren because then I would be doing the same thing that Warren is doing.

ELIAS: Ah, but within you, you ARE creating a very similar action, regardless that you are expressing it! (Chuckling)

This is your opportunity to view your movement and your responses, rather than concentrating your attention upon the responses and choices of another individual; but in recognizing that you choose to be interactive with this individual, as this individual provides you with a mirror action that may be clearly exhibited, and allowing you the opportunity to view your own behaviors and choices that move in very similar type of expression, regardless that you do not engage conversation or objective communication in addressing to the subject matter.

JOSEPH: Well, Iím gonna share this with Warren, and Iíll understand even better then, Ďcause itís really helpful when I share the things that you either say on tape or that are presented in the transcripts. I find that I can get more out of it, sharing it with Warren.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and I....

JOSEPH: He also has a lot of interest in just that part, but not in going beyond, like reading a transcript or talking to you, etc.

Letís go on to something else. I had a dream about my childhood in northern Wisconsin, and my relatives and my father.... (the rest of this is inaudible).

As I was nearing age 33, I met a Greek immigrant in Chicago named George, whose personality strongly reminded me of my father. We had a sexual relationship for a while, and Iíve always been intrigued by his strong resemblance in mannerisms to my father. I wonder if that might indicate my recognition of George as a focus of my father.... (the rest of this is inaudible). Do you want to comment on that?

ELIAS: You have drawn yourself to this individual in a recognition of personality type, and a manifestation of a physical focus that offers you enough of an objective recognition of similarities that you have allowed yourself to be moving into expressions of certain unexpressed desires previously. In this, no, the individual is not another focus....

JOSEPH: But the other impressions are correct? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Okay. I still have something I want to ask about Warren. He is wondering if he is a famous singer during the time of Handel, and if you would please give the name of this individual, and also, please give Warrenís essence name. (Pause)

ELIAS: I shall express to you, no, this individual does not hold a focus exhibiting fame within that time framework, but does hold a focus within that time framework; not of popularity, so to speak, or exhibiting any expression of fame....

JOSEPH: So, his focus was a popular singer who fell into obscurity, right? Is that what youíre saying?

ELIAS: No. There is no....

JOSEPH: No focus in that time period.

ELIAS: There IS a focus within the time framework, but of no popularity in recognition within ...

JOSEPH: Oh, okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: ... societies.

JOSEPH: Okay. Whatís Warrenís essence name, please? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Delphia; D-E-L-P-H-I-A. (delífia)

JOSEPH: That reminds me of ancient Greece. Does Warren have an important focus in ancient Greece? One of the dancers of Delphi?

ELIAS: This individual does participate in a focus within that culture, although it may be questioned as to your identification of ďimportanceĒ of....

JOSEPH: Well, would it be in an encyclopedia or in history books, or is it just one of those dancers of Delphi, where they are obscure as an individual?

ELIAS: Not in an identification of recognition or fame either, in this focus.

JOSEPH: Okay. Elias, the time is just about up. I wouldíve liked to have taken up one little thing ... well, itís not a little thing. Itís regarding my sex life. In one of the first sessions I had with you, I discussed my interest in having a partner, and I still havenít gotten anywhere near that, and perhaps ... do you want to leave this for another session, or do you want to say a few words, like console me or encourage me or something? (Laughing)

ELIAS: I express to you, my friend, to continue to be focusing your attention upon self and moving into the expression of acceptance of self. As you continue to practice in these expressions, you also create more of an opportunity to be moving in the expression of creating that type of relationship that you seek.

JOSEPH: Okay, thereís another question that springs from this. What Iíve been trying to practice in regard to an expression of acceptance of self, is that just something to continue?

ELIAS: Yes, and in this, allow yourself to be recognizing more of your familiarity with self.

In this, you already have allowed yourself some expressions and recognitions in familiarity with self, identifying more of your individual movement, and this allows you the definition in more clarity as to what you are in actuality seeking in this want of relationship.

As you become more familiar with self, you may also become more defined in your direction in your creation of relationships, rather than the generality of, ďI wish to be creating a relationship with another individual,Ē and as you move close to the creation of that action, you [may] also identify that what you are creating is not necessarily what you wish to be creating.

JOSEPH: Hmm. Well, that presents more of a mystery than an answer!

ELIAS: You wish to be creating interactions in a type of relationship with another individual, but not necessarily in all expressions of intimacy objectively.

JOSEPH: Oh. Yeah, okay, I think I see what youíre saying. Like when I envision this relationship in my mind, I see this person as visiting me for sex. I cannot see this person interacting with me, going out and doing things and eating together and all these other things that people do. To me, the relationship is nothing but sex. Is that what youíre talking about?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Thatís what youíre talking about?

ELIAS: Yes.

JOSEPH: Huh! How the heck ... you know, ever since maybe my third meditation that I was talking about earlier, that I think led to my liking of black people, ever since then, Iíve found myself totally unable to see anything other than sex with them.

ELIAS: This is what we are speaking of this day, in your movement and how you have created a type of symbology in association with an individual Ė which extends now to an ethnic group of individuals Ė and the identification which is associated with relationships and intimacy.

You are involving many aspects of associations of aspects of beliefs in this action that you have incorporated, and this is what we began addressing to this day in that discussion, that you may allow yourself to view what you are creating.

This also is related, so to speak, to what I am expressing to you in familiarizing yourself with self, and this shall create the allowance for yourself to BE creating this want of relationship.

Presently, you create many obstacles within yourself and your energy, all of which we have been discussing this day. Allow yourself to view [that] all of your movement Ė as you Ė moves harmoniously in whichever direction you choose. You do not isolate one direction and create one type of behavior and interaction, and create a different type of behavior and interaction in other scenarios.

You are you, and your energy moves in the type of expression that you direct it in generally, so to speak. Your interactions may be created slightly differently, or you may identify different types of relationships, but the energy of you is projected similarly in ALL of your directions within your focus.

Therefore, be remembering also of our exchange concerning tension of energy, and what this creates within your movement also.

All of what we have been discussing this day interplays with ALL of your directions of movement.

JOSEPH: Well, thatís something that I have to really dig into a lot more. I canít get it all in one session. So, I can only thank you, and say goodbye. Weíre out of time now.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, and I shall continue to be offering energy to you.

JOSEPH: Yes, I wish you would give me ideas!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

JOSEPH: Especially in this regard, Ďcause this is really a bothersome thing.

ELIAS: Allow yourself time frameworks of relaxation, and you may be aware also of my energy and presence with you.

JOSEPH: Thank you again.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend. To you, in affection, au revoir.

JOSEPH: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 10:44 a.m.


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