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Thursday, October 19, 2000

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ďExchanging Aspects of SelfĒ

ďHow Other People View YouĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Mike (Mikah).

Elias arrives at 10:24 a.m. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

MIKE: Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles) I have many, many, many, many questions for you!

ELIAS: As always!

MIKE: Yes! (They both laugh)

Okay, I have a couple of focus questions to ask you. The first one is, the focus of Hemingway, is that a focus of Rudim? (Pause)

ELIAS: No, although that essence does engage a focus in association with that individual.

MIKE: Do I know a focus of the essence of Hemingway? (Pause)

ELIAS: Within this present time framework, objectively, no.

MIKE: Okay. Alright, letís see. Do I have a focus as a ... Iím having maybe an impression that itís a professor of anthropology at Columbia University. (Pause)

ELIAS: In association with that individual?

MIKE: Yes, as a focus of mine. (Pause)

ELIAS: Within that time framework?

MIKE: No, within any time framework. (18-second pause)


MIKE: Yes?

ELIAS: No. You do hold a focus which engages as a student of that subject matter.

MIKE: Okay. At Columbia University, or just a student of anthropology?

ELIAS: At that university.

MIKE: Wow. Could you tell me what time framework? (12-second pause)

ELIAS: Early 1900s.

MIKE: Okay, alright. And then, do I have a focus with Seth as ... my impression is that we were fishermen. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: Okay. And then, how many focuses do I have as a samurai? (Pause)

ELIAS: Four.

MIKE: Four, okay. That cleared a bunch of stuff up. Alright, and then Joseph, my focus in New Zealand ... I know when I asked you last time about his auditioning or whatever for that movie, you said that he made an attempt. But at that time, I assumed that meant he didnít get the part, and I was wondering, did he get the part in the movie? (Pause)

ELIAS: First express to me, what is your impression?

MIKE: My impression is, yes, he got the part.

ELIAS: And what is your impression of what you term to be the part?

MIKE: As to what role he got?

ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: I donít know Ė like a background person or something.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MIKE: Okay, cool. Iím happy for him. Okay, now I have a couple more focus questions. Iím trying to figure out these focuses of relative fame. Do I have a focus as a magician? (Pause)


MIKE: And then a focus of relative fame with ... Iím not sure what instrument, but a stringed instrument player? (Pause)

ELIAS: Cello, yes.

MIKE: Okay, cello. An antiquities dealer? (Pause)


MIKE: Okay, and a focus as a lawyer, and my impression as to why he was relatively famous was because he was known for his ruthlessness, or his ruthless tactics. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: Okay, and one more. Do I have a focus as an architect? (Pause)


MIKE: Okay. This architect, was he in Egypt? (Pause)


MIKE: Okay, alright. Did he help with the pyramids? (Pause)


MIKE: Okay, alright. Now I have a question for ... I made contact with an individual. I donít know his last name, but heís in Germany and his name is Stefan. I talked to him a couple of times briefly. I hope you know who Iím talking about. I offered to get his essence name and family and alignment, and I was wondering if you could give those to me. (Pause)

ELIAS: Very well. Essence name, Shri Lu; S-H-R-I-capital-L-U.

MIKE: Okay, and the family and alignment?

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Borledim.

MIKE: Okay, alright. Now I can start on these other questions.

As we move throughout the shift and whatsuch ... and I managed to answer part of my question the other day, but Iíd still like to hear your answer. As the shift progresses Ė the insertion of it Ė and we become more accepting of ourselves and our abilities and whatsuch, will there be a more frequent shift in the aspects of self?

ELIAS: As to a shifting of the positions of aspects?

MIKE: Yes.

ELIAS: This is dependent upon the individual.

MIKE: That was the answer I gave myself. Okay. (Elias chuckles)

As to my focus now ... Iím really interested in this aspect thing. Am I, as a focus now, shifting aspects of myself on a regular basis, or more than most people? I donít know if this is an explanation to that or whatever, but I know weíve briefly touched on it before, but I always get this thing like Iím fragmenting or something, and after our last session, and talking about intent and aspects of creativity within self and all that stuff, I figured that maybe this might be an explanation, because Iím shifting positions of aspects on a regular basis. Would that be true?

ELIAS: Partially. Now; let me also express to you that as you ďshift the aspects of self,Ē as you express, you are moving the primary position of the aspects of self in relation to those that may allow the expression of some latent qualities, but those that also hold close qualities to the one aspect that you are familiar with.

In this, let me explain that within each individual in your physical dimension, as you manifest, there are, in a manner of speaking, groups of aspects that may express outwardly and objectively very similarly, but that do exhibit some differences and some qualities that may be viewed as latent or unexpressed in the other aspects within the particular group.

Now; in each of these groups of aspects, there are many, many, many aspects of you. Therefore, you may be altering the position of the aspects of yourself into the primary position, and you may be exchanging with many different aspects of yourself in this primary position, but continue to view your focus as uninterrupted and continue to create a familiar sense of self, so to speak.

Now; as you move your attention to different groups of aspects of yourself, you may be creating a movement of turning your attention to a different type of aspect of yourself and placing that in the primary position, and moving in a type of exchange of positions with that aspect and all of the aspects in that group, and you may recognize some quite unfamiliar qualities and expressions of yourself.

In these situations, individuals may objectively express that they do not feel like themselves. They do not recognize some of their own behaviors, and there may be some expressions that are more extensive than merely not feeling as yourself, but in which you create an actual blocking of objective memory.

You are not creating this type of exchange. You are exploring the aspects of self within the group of aspects that is familiar to you, but it is also noticeable to you that you may be creating this action of exchanging positions with different aspects of yourself, even within that group which is familiar to you objectively.

Are you understanding?

MIKE: Yes. Maybe along the same lines ... and I notice sometimes now, and before I encountered this information, and occasionally in this last couple of years, that Iíve sort of suppressed it Ė I donít know why, but I have Ė and itís beginning to emerge a little bit now, and itís a little bit unfamiliar because itís not something Iím used to, because itís been 2 or 3 years that Iíve been pushing it away.

But itís Ė and I have to express natural, or I think itís natural Ė a knack for being quick-witted, and also being, I guess I could say, to the point, as some would term it, and when I say this, Iím talking to the magnitude of people jumping to the defense, and getting upset and offended, and whatever else they get. Iíve noticed how at times this movement is influenced by an automatic response, or related otherwise to a belief system. But for the most part, I feel itís natural.

The only judgment that comes out of this behavior of mine is the judgment I put on myself for saying or doing many of these things, not on the person that Iím saying or doing whatever about. But when Iím saying or doing these things, itís more like I find it funny, and itís not because Iím judging the other person; I could care less what theyíre doing or saying. I just say something or whatever because I find it funny. But the judgment that comes out of it plays on me because of what I said or did, Ďcause I feel bad afterwards.

I was wondering, would this characteristic qualify as a natural movement in my focus, or is this like a result of belief systems or something? ĎCause it bothers me sometimes, because I end up falling into the trap of duplicity.

ELIAS: I shall express to you that within your focus, it is a natural movement. Now express to me why you create this judgment, and [why you] express to yourself that this movement is unacceptable.

MIKE: Because a lot of the time Ė and I realize it in the moment, but I still do it anyway Ė I accept what people are saying about why Iím doing this, like, ďYouíre only saying that because youíre upset. Youíre only saying that because you donít understand. That was quite rude. That was bad of you to say. How could you say something like that? How could you do something like that? Why would you do something like that?Ē Stuff like that. So itís like I catch myself, I stop myself, I shut myself down, and I go into the thing of just questioning myself as to why I did or said some of those things, because I convince myself that theyíre not necessary to say or do.

ELIAS: And without the convincing of yourself that your expression is unnecessary, what is your assessment of why your expression may be unacceptable?

MIKE: I donít know. I think for the most part, why I shut it down or suppress it is because I equate the action with non-acceptance.

ELIAS: Of other individuals.

MIKE: Right.

ELIAS: And this is reinforced by the expressions of the other individuals.

MIKE: Right.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, Mikah, you may be expressing a natural movement within your focus, and you may be creating outward behaviors that may not necessarily be expressing a judgment in relation to other individuals. You may be merely adding voice to an observation, and another individual may interpret that and may perceive that expression as a judgment.

Now; where is the responsibility in the exchange?

MIKE: (Laughing) On me!

ELIAS: And what is your responsibility to?

MIKE: (Laughing) For everyone Iím talking to!

ELIAS: AH! To be assuming responsibility for every other individual and how they create their reality!

MIKE: (Laughing) Exactly!

ELIAS: Ah! Very well! (Mike laughs) Now that we have brought clarity to the action and your responsibility in the interactions with all other individuals, we need not be discussing this subject matter any longer! (Chuckling)

MIKE: (Laughing) Okay, but really ... so this is the thing of personal responsibility again?

ELIAS: I am understanding that within physical focus, your belief systems are held quite strongly, and this creates an atmosphere, so to speak, in which you present great challenges to yourselves in the actual expression of acceptance of self.

Now; your choice of behavior to be verbally, outwardly expressing an observation Ė or not to be Ė is merely a choice. Where it becomes an issue, so to speak, is the point at which it begins to create conflict within you.

In this, you are noticing Ė and have been noticing Ė that you are experiencing conflict in relation to your behavior. You are attempting to be recognizing and identifying the source, so to speak, of your conflict.

In this, no, it is not merely the expression of personal responsibility for other individuals that is affecting of your choices in this situation or in these types of situations. You also are concerning yourself with the perception of other individuals Ė how other individuals view you.

In this, you equate how other individuals view you and how they assess you with how you assess yourself. Therefore, it is also a question of value, of worth of self, for as you are equating the expressions of other individuals as the measure of your value and your worth and your acceptability, you are turning your attention outwardly, and you are not focusing upon self.

Now; in this particular situation, you ARE moving your attention to self Ė which I am acknowledging of Ė for you are questioning. You are questioning your behavior and your expression. You are inquiring of me, ďIs this a natural movement? Is this a natural expression that I create within this focus, or is this an expression and a behavior that I am creating in tremendous influence of my beliefs? Am I discounting of other individuals?Ē

In this, you ARE looking to self. You are questioning, and you are seeking the answers to these questions.

I have expressed to you, in this particular focus, yes, this is a natural movement, a natural expression of you in this focus. It is not necessarily a projection of a judgment, but merely a verbalization, an outward expression of observation.

MIKE: Okay.

ELIAS: In this, you are merely outwardly expressing what you are observing, in like manner to a verbalization of any type of observation. It may be an observation of a creature Ė a rabbit crossing a field Ė and your noticing of that, your attention which is directed to that, and your outward expression of it.

I am quite understanding of the action and the behavior that you are questioning, and I may express to you also the recognition that many times, there is in actuality little or no thought process which accompanies these expressions. They are merely observations that you are expressing outwardly.

MIKE: Okay, good.

ELIAS: Now; I may also express to you that you are, in response and reaction to that observation, incorporating the expressions of other individuals, attempting to justify self as if you had expressed some wrong, and you are discounting of self, equating yourself and your value with the dislike of the other individual of your expression.

How another individual receives your expression is their responsibility, but you also are influenced very strongly by mass belief systems, and concerning yourself with how other individuals perceive you is quite strong.

MIKE: Yes. Okay, thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

MIKE: I have three more questions, and then I have some questions for Jene.

Iíve had a couple of interesting experiences, as far as jobs go, in the last month, or two or three months or so. First, the last three or four job applications ... and these are only the applications that have come to my attention, so I donít know about the other fifteen or so that Iíve placed in the last year. But itís come to my attention that the last three or four job applications that I have put in have either been misread, misplaced, or are mysteriously missing Ė theyíve disappeared. So, I found out that people havenít been getting my job applications.

One of the jobs I was actually quite excited to be taking because I figured it would be a fun and creative way to get my membership back at the gym, and the day before I go in to get the job, because they said they had an opening, she tells me that they no longer have a job opening. So, this caused me to notice what was going on, and I was wondering, what am I creating thatís not allowing me to get a job?

ELIAS: What is your impression?

MIKE: The only thing I can come up with is that I may Ė somewhere, somehow Ė feel that it may interfere with something that Iím doing now. I donít know; Iím kind of cloudy on it. Itís very confusing.

ELIAS: That is your guess. That is not your impression, and I shall accept your statement that you are cloudy as to your impression!

In this, I may express to you a suggestion that you allow yourself to view the types of jobs, so to speak, that you are applying for, and the expressions of qualifications and duties that are expected within those jobs, and in this, as you view the types of jobs that you have applied for, allow yourself to view self.

You are engaging a tremendous movement in the direction of self-discovery in relation to value and worth, and in this, you are creating imagery in every area of your focus presently that shall provide you with an opportunity to view this issue in many, many, many, many directions and from many different angles, for you have chosen to be addressing to this issue, as you recognize the value and importance of this particular issue and addressing to it.

In this, you may allow yourself to view how these particular jobs that you are applying for reinforce the position that you have already created within yourself and your assessment of worth.

MIKE: Okay, alright. That makes a lot of sense for a lot of stuff. Iím pretty sure that now I know why Iím battling with myself in this one issue. It didnít even come to me when I was writing down what I was thinking about asking.

Hereís a crystal ball question, but I feel that the answer is going to evolve into another question which I think will be helpful, so I hope youíre accommodating with the crystal ball question.

Iím looking to be applying ... and I havenít told anyone yet. All anyone knows is that ... which this in itself, me not telling anyone about this, should be a clue to myself, in the question of worth and not trusting self. Iím going to be applying to Columbia University, and Iíve been telling people that Iím going to be applying for next year, but what Iím really doing is, Iím applying for next semester.

And my question is ... because there has been a mini-battle going on in my head, and Iíve been ... for the last couple of months Iíve been trying to differentiate between impressions and influences of belief systems, and just conflict within personality, and all that stuff in my head, trying to differentiate the different voices. This one is a tough one for me because I canít differentiate which is which Ė which is my impression and which is what Iím telling myself I canít do when I really can do it, that sort of thing.

My question is, is it more probable or less probable that I would be accepted for next semester?

ELIAS: This is quite dependent upon your movement. As I have expressed to you within this discussion, you are addressing to self. You are beginning movement into a recognition of what you are addressing to. You are beginning to allow yourself the objective realization of what creates many of your obstacles, that being this issue of worth, which you project outwardly in the expression of personal responsibility to other individuals, and this distracts your attention to self. But you are moving in the direction of addressing to this issue.

Now; I may express to you, as you continue Ė IF you continue Ė to be addressing to this and turning your attention to self, and allowing yourself a reprieve from your continuous expression of personal responsibility in relation to other individuals, I may express to you that in what you may be creating, it may be more probable that you shall allow yourself to create this movement.

I may also express to you that if you continue to be creating movement in expressing outwardly and not turning your attention to self, and assuming personal responsibility for other individuals, it may be less probable, for your attention shall not be centered upon self. It shall be held in the direction of other individuals and their wants and what you perceive to be their needs.

MIKE: Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, the choice is yours, my friend.

MIKE: Okay. One more small question. Itís more of a curiosity. After you had the session with Tom about the fluctuation in essence names, I was curious ... Iím sure everyoneís essence name fluctuates on a continual basis.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MIKE: So I was wondering, is there a tone that my essence name fluctuates between other than ... well, other than Mikah, obviously. I mean, is there like one tone, like on a more regular basis, that it fluctuates between?


MIKE: No. So it pretty much stays Mikah all the time?

ELIAS: There is a fluctuation, but it is not a constant. What is the constant is the tone of Mikah. The other fluctuating tones are quite varying.

MIKE: Okay. Just out of curiosity, could you tell me just one of them that my tone fluctuates to? Iím just curious.

ELIAS: Most recent fluctuation in tone may be translated into your language as Milsh.

MIKE: Milsh?

ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: Interesting. Okay.

Alright, now I have some questions for Rudim. One of the questions is, why is she experiencing or why is there a temporary reprieve in her doing the numerology charts and counseling that she was doing? Why has it stopped?

ELIAS: For she has created this. You may express to Rudy to be looking to self and allowing the discovery of why certain expressions that are familiar may be temporarily discontinued. I may express to you, you may also express to Rudy that the looking to self is key Ė a genuine looking to self, without outside influences, without outside focal points.

MIKE: Okay. The next question is, are we Ė and Iím assuming she meant herself, myself, and Candace Ė characters in Oversoul Seven?

ELIAS: I shall express to you, all of you may be expressed as characters within these stories. They are not in actuality assigned to any one particular individual.

I am aware that I have expressed previously that I have created an inspiration with the individual that is known as the author of these books, in modeling certain characters in relation to certain individuals that have been interactive with this forum from the onset of this phenomenon. But these are merely models, and those characteristics of the characters within the books may be applied to all individuals.

MIKE: Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, if you or Candace or Rudy view yourselves in strong association with a particular character within these books, it is not an accident.

MIKE: Okay. I have one more for Jene, and then Iím gonna ask for Mary back so she can shut off the tape, because I have a couple more questions.

Jene would like to know, what is her issue with cords, necklaces, electrical wires, vacuum cords, et cetera? She doesnít like them. They bother her.

ELIAS: This may be also explained in relation to another focus which she is allowing to be influencing, and if turning her attention to self and allowing herself to SPEND SOME TIME WITH SELF WITHOUT OUTSIDE DISTRACTION, she may be investigating of other focuses and may offer herself some information which may be beneficial; NOT that the other focus is creating this issue, so to speak, but that she is allowing this imagery to be created within her focus to be motivating her to be investigating.

MIKE: Okay. For the moment, I will say good-bye. If you could return Mary for me, she can shut off the tape, and then Iíll talk with you again.

ELIAS: Very well.

Elias departs at 11:16 a.m.

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