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Saturday, October 27, 2001

<  Session 938 (Group/Pennsylvania)  >

ďEngaging a War on IdeasĒ

ďAnthrax Ė Not a ContagionĒ

ďHow Shall You Insert the Shift?Ē


Participants: Mary (Michael), Ben (Albert), Curtis (Juva), Edward (Colleen), Eric (Cuffee), Frank (Christian/X-tian), Frank (Tyne), George (Mahidad), Gillian (Ari), Jan (Mona), Jim (Marion), Joanne (Gildae), Joe (Holden), Leslie (Myranda), Linda (Robert), Liz, Lorraine (Kayia), Luanne (Inez), Lynda (Ruther), Marj (Grady), Marje (Mikail), Mike (Mikah), Pat (Ling-Tu), Pat (Treice), Renate (Chaumbre), Rodney (Zacharie), Ron (Olivia), Rosie, Sheri (Milde), Suki (Lissethe), Ted (Cara), Vic (Lawrence), and 9 new participants: Andy, Arlene, Bruce, Donna, Joe, Linda, Martin, Ralph, and Yvonne.

Elias arrives at 2:22 PM. (Arrival time is 30 seconds.)

ELIAS: (Grinning) Good afternoon!

GROUP: Good afternoon, Elias!

ELIAS: Ha ha! Welcome! This afternoon, I shall be accepting questions, but we shall also be engaging a theme.

MALE: A (inaudible)? (This was one word that rhymed with theme)

ELIAS: A theme! (Grinning, and laughter)

The theme of this session is the mass events that you have been creating and what you are creating NOW ...

MALE: Thanks! (Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: ... and your perceptions of what you are creating, and the movement of this shift in consciousness in relation to what you are creating in this movement.

Let me express to you first of all a brief identification of an aspect of this creation, a parallel. I have offered information previously concerning chapter focuses. These are focuses in which groups of individuals manifest together to be creating a type of chapter of a book. These books, so to speak, incorporate several to many chapters, dependent upon the subject matter of the book.

Presently in this time framework, you are participating in a chapter focus of the book which incorporates the theme of this shift in consciousness, and as I have stated previously, this particular focus is the final chapter of this book.

This is not to say that it is, in your estimation, the most advanced within time framework, for there is another chapter of this book which incorporates what you view to be a later time period. But it matters not, for all time is simultaneous, and this particular chapter is the ending chapter of this particular book.

In your previous century, overlapping with this chapter was another chapter, a final chapter of another book, of a religious book. This chapter centered itself in the time framework of your second world war. Many of you, if not all, participate in focuses in that chapter also.

These two chapters incorporate commonalities, almost parallels. In that final chapter of that book ending an era, and in this final chapter of this book beginning an era, you engage the entirety of your world. Every individual occupying manifestation upon your planet participates. You ALL participate in the mass events that have occurred in both of these chapters.

Now; you also have created mass events of trauma in both of these chapters. You incorporate war in both of these chapters, and you individualize and personalize the affectingness of the theme of each of these chapters in unique manners.

Within your religious book, you have creatively chosen to be individualizing and personalizing the theme of that book in choosing religion and differences as a lasting expression of that particular chapter, which affected every individual within your globe.

I may express to you, in this final chapter of this book, you have also been quite creative. You have chosen to be creating mass events, and you have also chosen a manner in which to personalize and individualize your mass event through dis-ease, and whether you choose to create the dis-ease or not, you all incorporate the effect, for you are all aware of it.

You also quite creatively have not chosen a contagion to be the manner in which you personalize and individualize your mass event, for this would not be in keeping with your shift, for this shift in consciousness focuses upon the individual, and the reality that you create every moment and every aspect of your reality individually, and that all of your reality is created through your perception, and that you direct yourselves, not to be dictated to by beliefs or by other individuals or that which you view to be authorities.

Therefore, you have chosen a dis-ease which must be manifest individually and not to be transmitted from one to another, but you also have not chosen a dis-ease that shall be creating an avenue of mass disengagement. You have offered yourselves CHOICE.

Now; there are many movements occurring presently. Many individuals incorporate many questions. I have addressed to some questions that individuals have presented in relation to your movement, this shift, your mass events, and what YOU are creating, and how this mass event is also incorporated within your individual reality, for it very well is! Do not delude yourselves, my friends, in expressing to yourselves that you are removed or that you are not participating, for you are.

And within this time framework, as I have stated at the turn of your new century and millennium, now you insert this shift into your objective reality and you present yourself with choices. How shall you insert it? In the continuation of trauma or in the acceptance of yourselves and the realization of your choices? Shall you be victims or shall you be expressing freedom? It is your choice.

Now you may incorporate your questions, in keeping with this theme.

CURTIS: Elias, in our decision to bomb the heck out of Afghanistan, does that mean that weíve chosen to incorporate more trauma and more conflict rather than, say, taking a look at ourselves and how weíve treated the people in that area in the past?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

I may express to you, there is great division within the energy of your dimension presently. Individuals are divided, in keeping with duplicity. Many individuals are recognizing their choices. Many individuals are not. As you are aware, a tremendous expression which has been created is that of victim. Victims view no choices.

Let me express to you in emphasis once again, the choice to be a victim is not wrong and is not to be judged, and is not worse than the choice to not be a victim. It is a choice of experience, and individuals choosing this particular expression shall also offer themselves information in their widening of their awareness. They are not stuck.

Now; as to this type of movement in what you view as bombing, there is more than one energy expression occurring. This is the objective imagery of the projection of energy from individuals that are choosing to be expressing this role of victim.

Let me express to you, all of you, at one point or another within your focuses, have experienced some form of an expression of being a victim, in which you are either defensive or you are aggressive. But as you express victimhood, so to speak, you also project an energy outwardly to be forcing energy to what you perceive as other individuals.

In actuality, you are attempting to force your own energy, for you view no choices and you feel snared, but this is quite commonly expressed. If you perceive yourself to be attacked, you shall automatically defend. This is an automatic response. The defense is also an expression of victim.

Now; those individuals, as I have stated, throughout your globe that are expressing the energy of victim are creating what you perceive to be the attack Ė the attack or what you perceive to be attack within your country here, and the attacks that continue within other countries. This is the energy of the individuals of victims.

But there is also obvious energy being expressed by all of the individuals that are NOT creating the expression of victim. This is viewed by you all quite obviously in new and different expressions within what you are terming your ďnew war,Ē for you may be expressing bombing, but you are also expressing helpfulness. You are counterbalancing. You are moving, IN duplicity, into a balance.

Let me be reminding all of you, duplicity also is a belief system. Belief systems in this shift in consciousness are not being eliminated. You are accepting them Ė acknowledging their existence, continuing to incorporate your opinions and your preferences but not incorporating the judgment, and recognizing choice, and recognizing that there are no absolutes. Therefore, you may prefer, and another individual may present a preference that may appear to be in quite opposition of your preference. But you recognize that it is merely preference, and there is no judgment within yourself or concerning any other expression of preference. You are moving into a balance.

I have expressed to you all cautions. I have expressed to you all recognitions that you are engaging the hurricane, and in your lack of attention, you did not listen, and now you view what you yourselves are creating. And what you are creating is not bad, for you are striking at the foundations of your beliefs; not eliminating them, but you are shaking them, and you are quite offering yourselves the opportunity to examine them.

And as I have stated previously, you are now redefining all of your reality, and therefore it shall restructure. Those expressions that you offer tremendous value to and in association with previously appear much less valuable now, for what becomes of value now is the individual, and the worth of the individual is being recognized, and this is movement, my friends! This is accomplishment.

Therefore, what you have created is not bad, and although you view it to be tragic that many individuals have disengaged, this has been their choice, and in their disengagement, they continue to offer energy to what you continue to create within your physical dimension.

CURTIS: A follow-up ... Iím sorry. Were you done?

ELIAS: You may continue.

CURTIS: Okay. From what you said about germs at the beginning ... and I know this is a crystal ball question, but might we anticipate more virulent strains of germs in the future as we each deal with this individually in our own lives?

ELIAS: I may express to you, this is a potential, but you have not yet inserted that. Therefore, in this present now, it is not a probability. But remember, you create within the now. Therefore, in this now, you are not creating that action.

CURTIS: But what we do create is going to be something that each of us deals with individually? It wonít be like a mass atomic blast that does us all in. It would be more like a germ or something that each of us can deal with in our own lives....

ELIAS: This is the direction that you have chosen presently, yes. I have expressed to you that you are now creating your science fiction as your science fact, but this is not to say that you are going to annihilate yourselves and become mutants! (Laughter)

EDWARD: I was looking forward to that!

ELIAS: Ah, Colleen! You wish to be a mutant! You may engage your dream state, and you may view another focus within another physical dimension and please yourself! (Everybody cracks up) Ha ha ha!

EDWARD: You keep saying ďwe.Ē Who is we? I mean, are you talking about we as in us here, or are you talking about ... do you refer to we as the U.S.? Do you refer to we as the world....

ELIAS: We as the world.

EDWARD: We as the world. What....

ELIAS: And those essences such as myself that participate with you.

EDWARD: Hmm. That doesnít seem very hopeful.

FEMALE: Itís your choice.

EDWARD: Yeah, I know itís supposed to be my choice, but itís also a lot of other peopleís choice, so if itís my choice ... so your choice is your choice....

ELIAS: Quite.

EDWARD: Itís scary.

ELIAS: But as I have stated, there are many individuals that are not choosing trauma. There are many throughout your globe that are not choosing to be creating the familiar.

You are not engaging a world war. You are engaging, as YOU identify it, a new war, a different type of war. For what are you waging war upon? Ideas Ė not necessarily multiples of countries, but upon philosophies.

BEN: Then I have ... I donít know if thereís a question here, but Iíve read your sessions about the World Trade Center, and I started to think about the idea that everything is me. So Iím thinking that if these particular terrorists have done these things because they believe that this is a godless, evil society that we have here, then really what Iím saying is, I believe this is a godless, evil society, and I brought down the World Trade Center.

ELIAS: Correct. (Laughter)

BEN: So if I can deal with that on my own level, the rest of it just goes away? If I accept the fact that I believe all these things at once, then does it change into something else?

ELIAS: If you are choosing, yes. (Laughter)

EDWARD: But the other people have to be choosing....

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

EDWARD: Well, only Albert could make it something else....

ELIAS: But what I am expressing to you is that this IS the movement. You discount yourselves and your individual affectingness and power, and therefore you do not allow yourself to even express or to choose. For you express to yourselves, ďIt incorporates no meaning. It moves not. My energy is insignificant,Ē and what this lends to is perpetuating the mass movement of that expression, and you create what you have created.

But in equal measure of power that you have already demonstrated in trauma and despair, you hold this same power to turn your perceptions individually Ė which creates mass Ė to be expressing playfulness, appreciation, and what you identify most strongly with, love. (Pause)

As strongly as you may annihilate yourselves, you may also appreciate. The energy does not move in one direction, and it is your choice, and it begins with EACH of you.

For as you continue to project your attention outside of yourselves to other individuals, you create what? You wait and you wait and you wait for others to create your reality for you, and they shall not. They CANNOT. (Pause)

You express the projection of responsibility outwardly to other individuals, and this denies your own freedom, for you do not express freedom without accepting responsibility of self.

If you are a victim, you view the responsibility to be of a circumstance or another individual or a situation or even an object, a piece of paper Ė money. And in this, where is your power? If the object, if the other individual, if the circumstance or situation is creating your reality for you, and you are the victim of it, where are your choices? You do not incorporate them.

But if you are responsible for creating every aspect of your reality, therein lies your freedom, for therein lies your choice and your strength. (Pause)

RENATE: I have a question. Weíve been creating mass events which are perceived as negative. I also see that what I have specifically created for myself is expressed also, and can be viewed as positive, or in a positive way. Iíve been trying to go inward in the last few years, and somehow I see it reflected in freedom of speech, which I think everyone is feeling right now. I donít feel I can say as much as I used to. Itís kind of an expression of going inward rather than thinking about words, so I do create an inward movement, in a strange kind of way. Is this true?

ELIAS: It is not strange.

RENATE: It is. Okay.

ELIAS: It is new.

FEMALE: (To Renate) It is NOT strange.

RENATE: Oh, okay.

ELIAS: It is unfamiliar, for you are redefining. You are not merely redefining what you view objectively, but you are redefining terms. Therefore, in your movement inward, in familiarizing yourself with you, your words become inadequate. They do not incorporate the same meaning as they have previously. You are redefining. This is unfamiliar and new, but this is the point.

And as I have expressed to you all, you communicate through energy much more efficiently than you do through language.

You may approach another individual, and the other individual may express to you, ďGood day, my dear friend,Ē and their energy may be expressing, ďI am so irritated with you!Ē (Laughter) And you shall view their smile and you shall hear their words, and you may respond in a question of, ďWhat may be the matter, my friend?Ē for you have recognized the energy immediately.

You communicate much more efficiently, much louder, and much more clearly through energy than you do through words or language. This is not to say that you shall discontinue expressing yourselves through this manner of language, but you are beginning recognition that there are other avenues of communication, and you are paying attention.

We shall break for Michael, and we shall continue shortly.

BREAK: 2:57 PM.

RESUME: 3:34 PM. (Arrival time is 20 seconds.)

ELIAS: Continuing.

FEMALE: Elias, you said that we all had a desire to be here for this chapter. Did we all have a common motivation for that, or is it that we each had an individual motivation?

ELIAS: Both. You each incorporate your individual motivation in association with your individual intent, and you also incorporate a collective motivation in relation to your choice of movement and your choice of lending energy in this shift in consciousness.

FEMALE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

FEMALE: I have a question. We were talking during the break about creating our reality, and I observe that in my reality now, in this group, weíre creating a wonderful interrelation with each other. We have a warm, positive feeling with people we care about. My daughter experienced creating a lot of positive things in the area of people helping each other with this tragedy that occurred.

How is that translated into my next level of reality, which is the bombing and the violence that goes on? How am I going to help that level of what seems to me unsatisfactory conditions to create a more peaceful thing, as Iím experiencing in my immediate reality? Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes, and let me express to you, you are already creating. (Emphatically)

I am aware of the association that you each express in your want for the discontinuation of the other expression, but this is not the point.

FEMALE: Itís acceptance.

ELIAS: Correct; to recognize that this is a different expression. This may not be the expression that you are offering energy to, but it is also an opportunity to incorporate movement into acceptance, not judgment.

FEMALE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

EDWARD: You said earlier that we all also participated in World War II, correct? (Garble) So everybody in this room or in this group or in a lot of the Elias sessions are people involved in World War II?

ELIAS: Yes.

EDWARD: And so weíre choosing to be involved in this particular event also?

ELIAS: Yes.

EDWARD: Are we doing that to realign for possible mistakes we made, or decisions? Are we trying on like a new coat for this particular event? Do you know what Iím saying? Weíre trying on new ideas and new approaches to mass events that maybe we didnít handle correctly ... or not correctly, but weíre trying it again, so to speak? (Pause) I mean, weíre all here....

ELIAS: Correct. Not necessarily. You are not attempting to create different manners of similar expressions. You are creating similar expressions in different directions.

What you are creating in these mass events are similar in objective imagery. They are familiar. What you are moving with these mass events are different, for your direction of your expressions are different. You are incorporating familiar actions, but your direction is different.

For in this event in this focus, your direction is to widen your awareness, offer yourselves the recognition of your beliefs and the strength of your beliefs, but also to offer yourselves recognition of yourselves and the strength of your own energy. Therefore, your movement is different, but you have chosen to incorporate familiar imagery.

You are not attempting to ďget it right.Ē You are not creating an improvement. You are creating a different direction to offer yourself a new exploration of freedom within this physical dimension; in a manner of speaking, to expand your choices and your exploration in this physical dimension. (Pause)

EDWARD: Alright. (Elias chuckles) I never trust you! (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! And I may express to you, it matters not!

EDWARD: I know! Iíve heard that before! (Everybody cracks up, including Elias)

RODNEY: Elias, one of the impressions I got is that ... Iíll use the term ďMuslim world.Ē But in some of these countries, there is just a tremendous amount of energy put into creating a set of beliefs in the culture as to how to think. I was reflecting on their insistence on how their women are treated, the kind of thoughts that they have, and so on, and I reflected on, we do the same thing, in that we bombard ourselves with messages via television and newspaper and so on, which channel our thinking into very specific directions. Then I reflected on seeing all of this as part of myself, and in accepting that in the process ... and then I told myself, and I just want to verify this, I think, this is my way of moving into a greater awareness of choice.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

RODNEY: And it seems to me that this is what this widening shift is about. I would not ... I look back 20 years ago, and I really didnít think like this.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: These kinds of impressions did not come to me, and this is, I guess, why Iím here, to experience it.

ELIAS: What you have chosen.

RODNEY: What I have chosen.

ELIAS: Yes. I may express to you once again, quite literally, although you do not offer yourselves many experiences yet that validate this to you Ė a few Ė as you alter your perception, you do actually alter your reality. You alter events. You alter actual physical reality.

RODNEY: Are you saying that my recognition of that and my accepting of that is actually changing?

ELIAS: Yes. It is not merely, my friend, that you think differently. You create differently. You perceive differently, and as you perceive differently, you actually create....

RODNEY: See, thatís the catch here. I can see this going on in my head, but Iím not accustomed to seeing it (inaudible) out there.

ELIAS: Quite, but you are moving closer!

RODNEY: One little step at a time! (Laughter, and Elias chuckles)

ELIAS: Your beliefs are quite strong, and the belief that suggests to you that you cannot create certain expressions or that your individual perception does not create your reality is quite strong.

The belief that other individuals are creating part of your reality is also quite strong. You have created new terms. You create your reality and you ďco-createĒ your reality, which is merely a new term to be expressing old philosophy and perception that you do NOT create your reality. (Grinning, and laughter, and Elias chuckles)

VIC: Okay. Well, I want to bring something up then. I want to bring up this transcript imagery again Ďcause itís being re-created again, and there are quite a few people here in this room that have participated; not everybody, of course. And when it started back up again Ė I donít know, was it a month ago? (somebody agrees) Ė I was surprised, because it has been a few years, and then it was all over again last week, which I also thought was interesting, and then the night before I left to come here, Thursday night, I went online, and there were at least 15 people that had written to me by that point, and another five or ten people the next morning.

There has been a lot of interaction between me and other people about this imagery, and Iím sure between yourselves, and what Iíve noticed in this particular thing as itís happening again now is that most of the interaction that people come to me with is, again, that there has to be something fixed, that thereís something wrong with my computer or their computer, or if they just do it this way....

RODNEY: Or that way....

VIC: Rodney just said this to me on the break: ďI figured it out. If I just do it on my computer this way, then it will be fine.Ē I just find it fascinating that it all came up again, and Iím bringing it up because there are people here that have experienced it, like Mikey, and Iím just looking around the room; not everybody, but....

MIKEY: Youíre not looking around the room. Youíre looking at me! (Everybody cracks up)

VIC: I donít know what else to say about it really, except Iím just noticing that itís happening again, and I think itís part of this ... itís imagery of this victim thing, that weíre all creating imagery of this in many different areas, and this would just be one.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, and of discounting of your abilities Ė that your abilities are inadequate, that you are inadequately equipped to create your reality perfectly, and that you are ill-equipped or that you do not incorporate the ability to physically manifest what you want.

RODNEY: It seems obvious to me that thereís also the overlay that we canít handle these communications coming through. Weíre on overload, so weíre sabotaging ourselves.

ELIAS: Some individuals incorporate this perception, yes; not all.

SHERI: When I get them and theyíre like that, I just say send them again. It doesnít bother me one way or the other this time around.

ERIC: I havenít had a problem. (Other people agree)

ELIAS: Each individual incorporates their own imagery and is creating this action for their own reasons. I have expressed one identification of a reason. Each of you that participates in creating this type of imagery may be noticing whether you are incorporating conflict or not, for you ARE participating, in like manner to your mass event. You are participating whether you are incorporating conflict or anxiety or not.

Be remembering, those beliefs that suggest the good Ė or what you term to be the ďworking beliefsĒ Ė are those that you may be viewing now and paying attention to. For those that create conflict, you easily identify, and you may initially move into an expression of attempting to fix. But you incorporate enough information in this time framework that you eventually shall be viewing yourself and questioning what you are creating.

But if you are NOT incorporating conflict or confusion, as you create neutrality or you view certain imagery or expressions to be good, you are continuing to be expressing judgments, and you are presenting yourself with imagery to offer yourself information. (Pause)

MARJE: Elias, I have a question, and I donít know, it may even pertain to what you were just discussing, because Iím in a state of confusion a lot lately.

In my own small reality, there has been a lot of conflict, and when this mass event was about to occur, there was so much communication. I got flooded with it just before it occurred, during the occurrence, and for days afterwards, so many emotions from the people there, from their families and their families and their families, and it was my own sense of conflict and struggle to achieve balance. (Emotionally)

I was finding myself in what seemed to me to be a selfish place, asking for all of the communication to ease off because I was not capable of assimilating all of the information, and two things occurred. One time we were in a group with C9, and I was like this, chasing away the communication, and I said, ďC9, away,Ē because she wasnít ... I donít know whether she was quite sure who I was trying to stop the communication from. And then there was also a situation whereby I just ... I donít know if I do myself an injustice by not just trying to be quiet and listen and assimilate. Do I create more dis-ease in myself by trying to block such communication?

I have been asking ... Iím doing affirmations daily. I have been asking to remember and to have my dreams, have my visions, have my communications, and to use them fully, as theyíre meant to be. So when all this happened, I was overwhelmed, which I know to be quite normal under the circumstances. But Iím not sure if I was just like doing myself more harm or more injustice by trying to hold it at bay when it was what I had asked for.

ELIAS: I am understanding. There are two elements which are occurring in this situation.

One is a very commonly expressed belief which you have created a clichť for. You express to yourselves, ďBe careful what you ask for,Ē and what you imply to yourselves in that statement is to beware, for the tremendous potential which you are inviting is not good. Your assumption in this statement alludes to the negative, and also lends to fear.

Now; underlyingly, this is what you are expressing, and therefore you also incorporate guilt for asking and receiving. But you have not in actuality asked of that which you perceive to be the universe. You have asked of yourself, and you have responded to yourself.

In this, as I have stated, the beliefs are quite strong. As I have spoken to you all in explanation of your objective imagery of this event, your beliefs are immense structures. Your towers and your constructs are mere symbols of the strength of your mass beliefs.

In this, you have offered yourself an experience, and you place an expectation upon yourself to be moving within that experience, balancing, and not overwhelming yourself.

Now; I have expressed previously, this in itself is what generates trauma, as individuals overwhelm themselves in attempting to race. ďLet me experience much now! Let me open fully now! Let me drop the veils of separation in entirety now!Ē And you may, momentarily, and you shall be overwhelmed, for it is unfamiliar.

MARJE: So I should have asked myself for those things in smaller increments, because I needed them to pertain to me and my knowledge of the inner self.

ELIAS: It is not a question of should, my friend. You have chosen what you have chosen. You have offered yourself an experience to give yourself information, and to recognize that you may be easily overwhelmed in movement that may be expressed in what you term to be too quickly.

You may, if you are choosing, instantaneously manifest this shift in consciousness. I have expressed this from the onset of this forum. I have also expressed from the onset of this forum, in choosing that action, you SHALL overwhelm yourselves and you SHALL incorporate trauma, for this shift is entirely unfamiliar. It is an expression that has not been incorporated in your physical dimension throughout all of your history.

You have offered yourself an experience to offer yourself information, and to allow yourself the recognition to move without trauma and within your own comfort.

I assure you, my friend, many, many, many individuals are presenting themselves with the opportunity to personalize and individualize an experience of trauma in some manner, which in actuality lends energy to NOT creating more trauma in mass events.

RODNEY: Would you say that again somehow? (The group murmurs and laughs in agreement)

ELIAS: As I have been expressing to you throughout this conversation, the movement concerns the individuals, and as you create individually, you affect the mass. You affect the collective.

Figuratively speaking, in like manner to small eruptions of steam within your planet, the small eruptions release pressure and prevent large eruptions.

Therefore, as you each attend to self, turning your attention to self and allowing yourselves your own movement, even in your own individual expressions of trauma, you are a pressure valve and you release energy, which lends to the non-creation of more mass events such as you have participated in recently.

MARJE: That takes like a huge weight off, what you just said. (Laughter) But it does! It just like takes it (inaudible).

ELIAS: I may express to you also, in viewing your experiences, the suggestion that if you are presenting to yourselves experiences that appear to you to be overwhelming, you are correct Ė the more that you force energy against what you are creating, the more you shall experience conflict and trauma.

You in actuality are not asking for an experience. You are choosing an experience and you are creating an experience. It is not coming to you. You are generating it, and once generating and choosing an experience, as you also move your energy in opposition to what you are creating, you create friction in energy, for you are creating two movements simultaneously. You are choosing, and you are also ďmatching energyĒ (pause for emphasis) with yourself. You are creating forces of opposition within your own energy.

Now; in choosing the experience that you created, you may have experienced less overwhelmingness. You may have accomplished the same action as a pressure valve, but within yourself, you may have created less trauma in allowing yourself to move with the wave of energy rather than attempting to force against it.

CURTIS: So repression is the worst thing you can do? Repressing is the most making of trauma that you can do?

ELIAS: It shall generate conflict and it shall generate thickness in energy, and you shall experience more conflict and more communication, for your emotion shall be expressing communication much more loudly.

CURTIS: In successive waves. As you repress and youíre not able to listen to what youíve heard the first time, it gets worse and worse and worse and worse, or more and more intense.

ELIAS: Generally speaking, yes.

CURTIS: Okay. So the idea is just to like take your hands off the steering wheel and just sort of let it go?

ELIAS: And trust that you shall steer quite perfectly! (Grinning, and laughter) And that you need not be incorporating control.

CURTIS: If I ever try that in reality, would you be there like with training wheels? (Much laughter)

ELIAS: If you are requesting, my friend, I shall comply. Ha ha ha! (Laughter, and Elias chuckles)

GILLIAN: Elias, when the event happened in New York, I became very emotional. At the same time, the following day I started withdrawing all communication little by little, till I didnít want to communicate with anybody. I was doing it at work, but thatís a little group. I would read something or whatever, and just have a lack of interest in it, completely coming away from everything. At the same time, I was creating a dis-ease in myself in the way of headaches, very throbbing headaches, particularly in the left side of my head, where I couldnít even move my head, and thatís still happening.

ELIAS: And what perhaps shall this be expressing to you? This also is quite commonly being expressed, perhaps not in the identical imagery that you present to yourself. But what is occurring is associated with your belief that thought creates reality and that thought precedes creating reality. You have confused your identifications. Thought IS reality, but it does not generate it.

Therefore, in your example, you are allowing yourself to view this event, to participate in this event, but you focus on communication and you withdraw. If you are not communicating, if you are not outwardly expressing thought, you shall not contribute to the perpetuation of what is being created. And this, my friend, is not the point, and you are expressing to yourself, through physical body communications in affecting of yourself, that this is not the point. Withdrawing does not diminish your participation. It also does not diminish your perception.

Thought verbalized does not create reality. Perception creates reality, and perception is not thought. Perception is guided by attention, and attention is not thought. But you quite strongly believe en masse that if you are thinking, and subsequently you express this verbally, you shall create it.

(Humorously) I may express to each of you to examine your experiences in thinking what you term to be a nasty thought concerning another individual, and thusly you also verbalize this nasty thought concerning the other individual to another individual, and subsequent to this action, you stop and you express (gasping), ďI retract this statement! I retract this thought! Pull this back to me and not within the universe, for it shall come round to myself and I shall create it, for thought creates my reality. It is this evil vapor that seeps out of myself and creates realities that I truly wish not to be creating!Ē (Everybody cracks up)

Thought does not create your reality, my friend, and the verbalization of thought does not either, and in withdrawing your communication and in withdrawing within yourself, this action was not and is not an action of turning your attention inwardly to you. It is a retreat from outside.

GILLIAN: It is that. But also, at the same time, when I tried to communicate with myself, as I have begun to do more successfully, so to speak, where I could hear myself and my answer, I couldnít seem to even get that anymore. It was like I was going blank every time.

ELIAS: Quite, for the action is not the same. You are withdrawing, and in the action of withdrawing, you are not creating turning your attention to self. You may be thinking that you are turning your attention to self, but this is the reason that I have been expressing to many individuals recently to be paying attention to what you are DOING.

GILLIAN: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

MARJ: Elias, do I have this straight now? If we go out and start picking little fights with each other and creating conflicts, weíre letting off steam? So in the big picture the volcano is quiet, and this is good? I mean.... (Laughter) You know what I mean!

ELIAS: It is dependent upon your direction and your motivation.

If you are engaging conflicts with yourself or with other individuals, and your motivation is to be creating a pressure valve, no, you shall not be accomplishing this! (Laughter)

If your intention in generating conflict is to offer yourself the opportunity to view your heightened awareness Ė which IS paying attention to you Ė yes.

MARJ: Itís a byproduct of that.

ELIAS: Yes.

MARJ: Okay, gotcha.

ELIAS: (Humorously) Therefore, I am not encouraging all of you to be creating small conflicts with each other to be producing pressure valves, (laughter) for this shall not be accomplished!

But I AM greatly encouraging of you to create small conflicts with each other to offer yourselves the opportunity to familiarize yourself with your own expression of heightened awareness ... but also, do not be creating judgment! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! (Laughter)

EDWARD: Geez! Youíre asking a lot!

ELIAS: Quite! (Grinning)

LYNDA: Elias, but if you ARE creating a judgment, which is quite automatic in this specific scenario, to view it, my experience Ė which has been pretty raw this last year, only because Iím so hard on myself Ė when I see the judgment is to view it, and step by step, let it go faster, the discounting. And in the turning to self, the feel of the turning to self has more of a feel to me of trust, and because Iím becoming familiar with that, itís easier for me to turn to that after I view the other, because the other is quite automatic ...

ELIAS: Quite.

LYNDA: ... as you know, with all of us, and itís not as much of a bogeyman, the feeling of judging yourself, or myself. And what you are saying about how thoughts do not create my reality, I had no idea how deeply imbedded that idea was in my own thinking automatically. I suppose itís psychological. Mostly for me, I think itís religious mass beliefs in my own reality, but Iím sure itís psychological and affirmations and whatever. But that has been one of the single most liberating things for me in the most recent future, the very recent future, and weíve talked about that Ė that itís okay for me to say something really bad, even to be playful, even have fun, and not be afraid that Iím gonna get in trouble, which I know is ... but itís true! And just these little steps to do that, and not being in a race with myself. I just want to tell you, like I always tell you, this stuff is doable.

ELIAS: Quite. Remember, duplicity also is a belief system. Therefore, as you recognize that you are expressing judgment, do not compound the judgment with judgment! (Laughter) But recognize in the moment that it is expressed, and accept this. (Pause)

For, my friends, the more you practice offering yourself acceptance of what you express, even in judgment, the less you create judgment, for the more familiar you become with acknowledging yourself and validating yourself and accepting yourself, and the less frequently you express the judgments. (Pause)

EDWARD: I didnít get her name, that young ladyís name, when she was talking about what happened ... McClaine?

MARJE: My name is Marje, and my essence name is Mikail.

EDWARD: Mikail, okay. I donít practice any of the things she was practicing, but during that time period, I could hear, for days on end, like the screams in my head. It was very distracting. It was so distracting, and Iíve been sick ever since. Literally, Iíve been sick in one way or another, and these poor guys had to deal with the whole thing. I mean like now, Iíve got all these lung infections and everything.

But what Iím hearing is, if you just accept the fact that youíre feeling this way, itíll just go away, or youíre just accepting the fact that thatís the way youíre feeling about it.

ELIAS: Correct.

EDWARD: ĎCause youíre right, Iím making a huge judgment on the whole thing, and then the judgments come piling all out, and (inaudible).

ELIAS: Quite, and this perpetuates the action. It is very similar, what you are creating, to this example, for as you force energy and you create judgment upon self, you perpetuate the cycle.

Let me express to you, Colleen, what you have created is similar, although you have created an empathic mergence. You have assumed the experience of individuals that chose to physically participate. In discounting yourself and in judgment of yourself, you continue to perpetuate this empathic mergence.

The empathic sense is not empathy. It is an actual experience of what other individuals experience and create, and in the generation of particles and dust and irritants, many individuals are creating this experience of physical dis-ease in similar manner to yourself. You are creating it through an empathic mergence and you perpetuate it through guilt, and you force your energy against your experience, which also perpetuates guilt, and therefore the cycle continues, and you continue to create the dis-ease.

MALE: Guilt for what, though?

EDWARD: Oh, I know why I feel guilty. I donít have a huge, happy outlook towards humans. I will surround myself with cats or dogs or other things much easier. I donít care. I can step over the people in the street (inaudible), and then when all that happened, it seemed like ... I did not expect it. I didnít practice anything. I wasnít asking for anything, and I cried for days, and I mean for days! It was the most unexpected reaction, when you donít....

MALE: So you were pushing off that, and then all of a sudden, it all came back.

EDWARD: Yeah, and then I felt guilty, Ďcause here I am, not paying any attention. Itís sort of like the Christmas Carol type of thing. Youíre not paying any attention to humanity....

MALE: Like Scrooge and the ghost....

EDWARD: Yeah, and here it is, all of a sudden. They just decided to like be in my head for days, and itís hard to let go of it....

ELIAS: This is the acceptance of self that I am expressing....

EDWARD: Yeah, well, thatís the whole thing about liking myself, which, you know....

BEN: That ainít gonna happen!

EDWARD: That ainít gonna happen! (Everybody cracks up)

ELIAS: (Inaudible), my friend! (This was drowned out by laughter)

EDWARD: You should know that better than anyone by now!

ELIAS: This is your choice, to wallow! (Much laughter)

LYNDA: Far be it from Elias to not let you wallow!

EDWARD: Thatís okay. Iím taking back my jewelry, thank you!

ELIAS: Very well! I view I possess it now! Ha ha! (Much laughter, and a pause)

MARJ: Elias, is our self-worth probably the hardest or the one that takes the longest to....

FEMALE: Have?

MARJ: To have, yeah.

MALE: To accept?

MARJ: Even though there are times I feel like Iím getting somewhere, Iím still lacking.

ELIAS: It is not the most difficult to have. You already possess it! It is difficult to recognize for many of you; not for you all. But for many of you, yes, this is one of the most difficult expressions to recognize.

MARJ: Itís so easy to be compassionate and caring about everybody else, to give everybody else a break....

ELIAS: This is quite associated with religious beliefs, and they are quite strong.

PAT: But then why do some of us find it really easy to be accepting of ourselves?

ELIAS: For you are not aligning with the religious beliefs.

PAT: I find it easy! (Giggling)

MALE: Hey, youíre God! (Laughter)

PAT: So just wear a sign that says youíre God!

FEMALE: She doesnít believe that.

MARJ: And yet I do. Itís like a dichotomy of thoughts, back and forth, (inaudible). But I am a recovering Catholic.

ELIAS: Ah! (Laughter) Another victim! (Everybody cracks up)

MARJ: And all those years of ugh! But Iím glad. I was so happy to hear I never did anything wrong. I felt so liberated, but still....

ELIAS: You do not believe this! (Laughter)

MARJ: Yes. That is very difficult.

ELIAS: Temporary liberation. (Laughter) Permanent incarceration! (Everybody cracks up, which obliterates a few comments) You may! (Leaning forward with outstretched hand) I offer you the key! Accept it and release yourself!

FEMALE: Grab it quick! (Laughter)

ELIAS: The door is not locked. (Smiling, and a pause)

Each time you are discounting of yourself, I shall incorporate Lawrence to echo with me with the largest word in our vocabulary, to be (Vic and Elias together) NOTICING.

I have been expressing this from the onset of this forum Ė noticing Ė for the mere noticing allows you choice. As you notice that you are creating judgment upon self, NOTICE and express to yourself, what is this judgment? Acknowledge the belief, and it matters not.

MARJ: Acknowledge the belief that Iím not worthy? Because thatís what Iím noticing. Iíll be saying to myself ... oh, I canít think of what wording I might use, but I know when Iím judging myself, and the basic emotional feeling I have is that Iím lacking inside. So what am I accepting Ė that feeling of lack? Or am I trying to identify that itís a religious belief system? How do I break that down?

ELIAS: The feeling is the signal. The emotion is the message. Discover the message. Receive the message. The message identifies precisely what you are creating in the moment and in association with what beliefs.

Once you have identified the belief or the association of the belief, do not judge this. Express acceptance of this, and you shall offer yourself choice. For once you are recognizing of the communication, you are offering yourself information, and you may genuinely express to yourself that it matters not.

MARJ: I get close at times, but no cigar.

ELIAS: It is not about a cigar! (Grinning, and laughter) It is a process, and in this, you practice, for you have chosen a process.

MARJE: So some of us have chosen a longer process? (Much laughter)

ELIAS: (Grinning) Not necessarily, my friend, for you all continue within physical focus! Do you view any of these individuals who have crossed the finish line? (Various inaudible comments) Therefore, you are not lagging behind!

MARJE: Well, it wasnít even a sense of lagging behind. It was just a sense of, this is getting old! (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ah, but your process continues throughout the entirety of your focus. Are you getting old? (Laughter, and no audible response) Then perhaps your process is not old either. (Grinning)

MARJE: I just know that my body has been sending me an awful lot of messages, and Iím not getting a clue. Iím really not getting a clue!

VIC: It seems to come back to this whole thing of passing so much judgment on what you create.

ELIAS: Quite.

VIC: And this is what I noticed a lot in the recent transcript imagery. People would write to me and they would say, ďI messed it all up again,Ē or something similar. Even with something as simple as that ...

ELIAS: Correct.

VIC: ... there was a success/failure assessment going on, and itís really hard, I think, to move out of that particular thought process. I know Iíve had a lot of struggle with it, a few light bulbs though, and being able to accomplish that in certain areas. But thatís what it all comes down to and what everybody is talking about, I think, is that we judge our creations, and we think the process is bad and itís taking too long, and when is it going to be over, and like you said, where is the finish line? Thatís the belief thatís being addressed to now, right?

ELIAS: Correct, and this is quite involving judgment. This is the base.

VIC: Yeah, even if weíre judging it as good.

ELIAS: Correct.

VIC: Weíre still creating a judgment. Weíre not ... the it matters not thing isnít there yet, really.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARJ: So itís gonna take 74 more years....

MALE: Seventy-three and a half! (Everybody cracks up)

GEORGE: In my session of several weeks ago, you gave me a real present in that session when you talked about the intolerance of intolerance and the lack of acceptance of the lack of acceptance, which I interpreted as the quintessential double binds that stop thought. It occurred to me that there may be other people here suffering from the same thing, and maybe you would like to expand more on those ideas, if itís appropriate.

ELIAS: They are simply what they are. This is what you express. You all express these two expressions repeatedly.

You view intolerance, and you are intolerant of it. You view lack of acceptance, and you incorporate a lack of acceptance of that lack of acceptance, be it in another individual or within yourself. You view yourself to not be accepting of some expression that you have created, and you are not accepting that you are not accepting.

This is the point of what we have been discussing, to recognize when you are creating a judgment, and accept that you are creating a judgment. This is what you ask for in your methods. Where shall we begin? How shall we proceed? Begin in accepting what you do not accept!

In the moments that you express intolerance, tolerate your intolerance. In the moments that you are not accepting of yourself, recognize this, and accept that you are not being accepting of yourself. This is the practice. As you view intolerance in other individuals, tolerate that intolerance.

You have expressed in this forum questioning of what you are participating within in these mass events. You have expressed identification of bombing. You have expressed in this recognition of bombing your wish to be altering the bombing, creating it to stop.

This is not tolerance of intolerance. This is not acceptance of a lack of acceptance. This is matching. It is matching expressions Ė intolerance of intolerance, a lack of acceptance of the lack of acceptance. You express it outwardly with each other. You express it MORE with yourselves.

GEORGE: Thank you very much.

MALE: Elias, can I try something? If one achieves self-acceptance and if one achieves acceptance of the world as it is, then it opens up creativity. In other words, you can select actions or you can choose to do what you want because itís coming from your true center, and then you can make an impact on the world that is positive. Does that make sense?

ELIAS: Yes Ė within the expressions of your beliefs concerning creating a positive impact, yes. (Various inaudible comments, and laughter)

RENATE: Let me ask a question about emotions during this shift time, especially now. Iím learning to ... I donít know, do something with my emotions, or not letting them affect me so it sweeps me away from going inward, just trying to create in the now, in the me, whatever. I donít know how to say this, but going along with less emotions may be perceived as being colder or whatever, but Iím not expressing so much emotion anymore, and I feel great about it, because I also feel that within that, I can be very accepting of me, and also of others.

MALE: Me too. Iím not focusing on (inaudible).

RENATE: Oh, okay. Heís understanding. I just wanted understanding! (Laughing)

ELIAS: I am understanding.

RENATE: Okay, you as well. So three, okay! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Let me express to you, you are not discontinuing your expression of emotion, for emotion is a communication. What you are discontinuing is the signal, for it is not necessary. For if you are paying attention to your communications, you need not generate the signal, which is the feeling. The emotion continues, for this is the communication, and this is in actuality one of your main communications from your subjective awareness to your objective awareness. Therefore, it is not discontinuing, but you are quieting the signals.

RENATE: I almost want to say, so this is good, right? (Laughing, and everybody cracks up, and various inaudible comments)

ELIAS: Within your expressions of beliefs, yes! (Chuckling)

FEMALE: Elias, do we confuse the word emotional with feelings? Is that part of our problem?

ELIAS: Yes.

FEMALE: When she said, ďIím less emotional,Ē she meant she has less feelings, like sadness, happiness, those kind of feelings?

ELIAS: Yes, in less extreme.

RENATE: Oh, I used to be extreme. Iím glad Iím containing it, or reusing it. Itís like reusing.

ELIAS: You are listening to your communications. If you are listening to your communication, you need not generate the signal. The signal ...

FEMALE: Itís like the telephone ringing.

ELIAS: Yes. ... is generated to gain your attention. If you already are incorporating your attention in the message, you need not be generating the signal to gain your attention.

MARJE: The signal is usually dis-ease?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is the feeling.

CURTIS: But Iíve taken it to an extreme where Iíve just lost the drive to do much of anything. I mean, when I watched the World Trade Center come down, I was thinking, what am I going to have for dinner tonight? It had absolutely no effect on me at all, really. I know Iím making a judgment that this is bad, but.... (Laughter)

ELIAS: Let me express to you, my friend, not every individual creates their association with imagery in the same manner. You may not generate a strong association with the physical event, although you are participating, for it is within your perception. But you may generate your imagery in another direction, and it shall be in association with what is being created en masse. It may be imaged differently, but it is in association. (Pause)

MALE: Are you saying....

ELIAS: And it is neither good or bad or better or worse that you grieve in relation to this imagery or that you express that you feel nothing. They are merely different expressions, and you shall image an association with SOME expression in extreme.

MALE: Elias, are you saying heís reacting to the event even though he doesnít feel that he is, but heís reacting in his own way....

ELIAS: It is not a reaction. It is a participation. Each individual that incorporates any perception of the event in any capacity is participating. Your association with your participation may express itself in many different manners.

One individual may be creating an expression of dropping veils of separation. Another may be incorporating empathic experiences. Another may be generating extreme conflict within their employ. Another individual may be generating conflict within themselves concerning their own perception of need of protection of themselves. Another may be generating an extreme expression in concern of finances.

ERIC: Does it all have to be in conflict, though? Can you be expressing in a different, productive manner, say? For the last three-and-a-half weeks, Iíve been redoing my garage, and itís been like this mission. Iíve just been like totally into this. Iím at home, I work out of the house, I take care of the kids, and I mean, it has just been this huge energy (inaudible). I donít know where the time goes, and itís related to the stress, I guess, Iím feeling from the event, but itís all channeling into, now I have a garage I can move into. Itís wonderful! Itís painted, itís blah blah blah. I can store 900 tons of things in it. But this is how I reacted.

ELIAS: Precisely.

ERIC: Iím not in conflict about it per se, but I know that that event caused me to go in that way, and not....

ELIAS: Precisely. This is the point. Each individual may image....

ERIC: I didnít have a bad reaction necessarily.

ELIAS: No. It is not necessarily associated with bad or negative, but extreme.

ERIC: Yes, and the amount of attention and focus and energy.

ELIAS: Yes. This is the movement that you are creating!

LORRAINE: Are there any individuals on the planet right now who that event is not in their perception, you know, any aborigines or bushmen or something like that? Is everybody aware of that?

ELIAS: Every individual upon your planet in this time framework participates in some capacity Ė every individual.

LORRAINE: So it is in their perception. They know about it. They consciously, objectively are aware of it.

ELIAS: Not in the same manner as yourselves, but in some capacity, yes, and in some capacity, objectively.

Very well, my friends! We shall be discontinuing this day, and I shall be anticipating our continued interaction, and extend my invitation to you all to be engaging conversation once again.

To you in tremendous encouragement each in your challenges presently, whatever they may be individually, I acknowledge you each. Do so within yourselves also! In tremendous affection, I say to you, au revoir.

GROUP: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:54 PM.


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