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Tuesday, December 16, 2003

<  Session 1479 (Private/Phone)  >


ďYour Responsibility to SelfĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Marta (Bourjn).

(Arrival time is 17 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

MARTA:: Good morning, Elias! How are you? Iím so happy to talk to you again. Remember me?

ELIAS: (Laughs) Yes, my friend!

MARTA:: How are things? I have, like always, a lot of material.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARTA:: Letís go first with focus identification.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARTA:: I donít know this time if I connected very well. (Elias laughs) I got in meditation William Henry Talbot, the English mathematician and philosopher, who transcribed many Syrian and Chaldean texts.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: I got Roger Williams Ė I think he was called Roxie Ė a pirate, who was born in England and joined Blackbeard in the Caribbean Sea.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I got the son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar, Caesarion.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: I investigated a focus in which we were brothers in Italy and you killed me. My focus was Nicola Bertucci in Verona in the 1600s, and you were my older brother Pietro. I think I had an affair with your wife, who was younger than you. You found out and then we fought and you killed me.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Jonathon McGregor, a future focus that will be born in the United States in 2033.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: In meditation Ė this was strange Ė I got the name Zoroaster.


MARTA:: Is this a focus of my essence?

ELIAS: Future.

MARTA:: Can you give me a time framework?

ELIAS: Twenty-third century.

MARTA:: I got Nefuro in Egypt, who was involved in mummification.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: Laconius, Roman soldier in the first century BC. (Pause)

ELIAS: Ah. No, you are not that individual, but you are known to that individual.

MARTA:: Then I was also another Roman soldier, a friend?


MARTA:: In meditation I also got Tirso de Molina, the Spanish writer in the 1500s. He was Gabriel Telez, but I got Tirso de Molina.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: Also in meditation I got the name of Olaf, the founder of the city of Bergen in Norway.

ELIAS: You incorporate a focus as a relative.

MARTA:: A close relative?

ELIAS: Yes, parent.

MARTA:: Lawrence Turner, a British soldier who died in battle in 1917, in the First World War.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Now, for days, Elias, I have all the time when I meditate the name Amenhotep, but I didnít know which Amenhotep. Then I got in meditation that it was Amenhotep the third, but I couldnít feel Amenhotep the third to be my focus. I found out that Amenhotep, son of Hapu, was an advisor and a scribe of the pharaoh Amenhotep the third.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I feel that my focus is this other Amenhotep.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I had the impression that Amenhotep the third is a focus of yours.


MARTA:: This Amenhotep that is my focus, did he also serve Akhenaton and could this be also from a chapter of the religious book, Amarna?


MARTA:: Next one, I got St. Margarita Cortona, Italian, and she was born in 1247.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: In meditation. It keeps coming the name Nebwenenef in Egypt, who was a high priest of Ramses II.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: Ling-Fei, a concubine of the emperor Hong Li, in the Qing dynasty in 1700s.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: This one is a little strange, because in meditation, Elias, I see myself walking through scenes in the time of Judea at the beginning of the first century. Then it changes to another city, and I got the impression that my name was Zamir and I accompanied Jesus/Telleth in his travels for a long period of years and that I died in Tunisia in one of those travels. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Then for many, many months I kept having the name Oseres, Oseres, Oseres. In meditation I got the impression it is my focus in Atlantis.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: After I got that, also Osiris from Egyptian mythology.

ELIAS: That is a translation. You do incorporate another focus, an other-dimensional focus, which is expressed in similar quality, so to speak.

MARTA:: As Osiris?

ELIAS: Yes, and therefore you present this to yourself as a translation of that focus.

MARTA:: Also in meditation, in South America in 10,000 BC, I got a name thatís hard like Kuaxi-Kuk, and he was a priest and a shaman.


MARTA:: I was reading the Trojan War, the Iliad, to see if I got an impression of myself, and the only impression I got it was Minerva.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: In another meditation, I got Ahmed III, that this was a focus of Carter/Cynthia. I got the impression that I was a woman who was related to him, very close to him, I think his mother.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I tried to connect with my Dream Walker name. I got a name Antares as my Dream Walker focus.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I got Hans Klauss Getz, and he was a spy for East Germany and was killed in the 1960s.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: Anna Baranskaya, a future focus in Russia, 2290, and sheís involved in teaching.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Hector Bouillard, a future focus in France, and heís a painter, 2083.

ELIAS: Eighty-four, correct.

MARTA:: This is when he was born, right?


MARTA:: I got in meditation the name Viala and I know that this a focus in another dimension in which your essence has focuses, too, dimension of LOTR [Lord of the Rings].

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: In meditation also I saw the face of Nicolai Hanson, a Norwegian zoologist who died in 1899 in the Antarctic.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: In another meditation I got this one that I connected with you. You were my father and I was your favorite first son. It was in India and I see my name was Nandi Ramana Patjwani. You were a maharaja or something like that.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: It was in 1000 AD?


MARTA:: In meditation I got this name, Aero Saarinen, the famous architect.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: In meditation also I think I connected with one of my present focuses, the one from Tibet, Lama Wangdu Rinpoche, a Buddhist monk. He was born in 1936 in Tibet and now heís living in Katmandu.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Tatiana Yurikova, a Russian peasant woman in the 1600s.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Marguerite Gillot in France, who worked and lived in a hostel/tavern on the road to Nantes, in the 1400s.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: In meditation also I got Eero Saarinen, who was the chief advisor of King Edward IV.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: I got Maria del Tolde, an Italian actress in the 1800s.

ELIAS: Counterpart.

MARTA:: I got this one, Gwendolen. It was in the British islands and I think she was a Celtic priestess in 400 BC.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: This is a chapter?


MARTA:: Maxim Trevors, 2480 AD, a future focus who experiences interdimensional projections.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I was seeing my last future time framework focus, 2700, and the name Akaki. I think he mastered interdimensional projection.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: And was my last one.

ELIAS: Yes, in linear timeframe.

MARTA:: Also, this was a shock for me because I never expected, but in meditation I got the famous pianist, Paderewski.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I never would get that; I was totally shocked I saw him! (Elias laughs) Anyway, I connected with another dimension and I got information that the name of the dimension is Kathule or Kathor, something like that. I got the impression that in that dimension, they donít focus in different time frameworks but that they experience simultaneously probabilities.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: What is the name of that dimension? Is it correct, Kathor?

ELIAS: That is your translation.

MARTA:: I was looking at this painting by Renoir, ďLuncheon of the Boating Party,Ē just looking at this painting to see if I get any strong impressions. I got an impression from a woman that caught my attention. I looked at the name and it was Aline Charigot. This is my impression by watching the painting.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: I know I connected with Raymond Severak, a royal courier of King Louis XIV.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: In meditation also I got this connection with Dante Alighieri.

ELIAS: Also observing.

MARTA:: I also connected with Mary Rose Meredith, in England. Iím not sure about the time framework. I got the impression that she understands the simple living of objective manifestation.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, although this is not a focus of you; it is a counterpart action.

MARTA:: And can you tell me a date, a time framework?

ELIAS: Ah, my friend!

MARTA:: I just want... 1600s? But something in me says this is not correct.

ELIAS: Continue your investigation. (Laughs) You do very well with your impressions.

MARTA:: No, I try! (Laughs) Iím trying to learn to trust my impressions. A shaman in Africa, 1000s.


MARTA:: Lionel Graham, I think he was an anthropologist or historian in Australia in the 1800s.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: In our last session, you told me that the emperor Wan-Li was not a focus of my essence but that I hold a focus with this name. I tried to investigate and I got an impression that my focus was a follower of Lao Tzu in 400 BC.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Now, Dora/Arria in a meditation herself felt that Lao Tzu was a focus of your essence.

ELIAS: That also was an observing role.

MARTA:: Another one, Milo Miljkovic in Croatia, I think in the 1500s, I saw his face. But then I also saw like a cliff going to the sea, and I got a name Sophia and I knew that she jumped from this cliff to her death. I got the impression that she was the wife of Milo.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Now, I feel that my focus is Milo Miljkovic. Or was it Sophia?

ELIAS: Sophia.

MARTA:: Sophia is my focus, Sophia Miljkovic.

ELIAS: Yeah. (Transcriberís note: Yeah, Elias said ďYeah.Ē)

MARTA:: Now with this one. I got Maria Teresa Cayentana, the duchess of Alba, in Spain.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: You remember when, from my first or second session, that I had seen this clear focus in Scotland in the 1200s and I had to investigate to know my first complete name. I think itís William Sinclair.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: The father of Henry Sinclair. That is correct. I got Milena Hoyt, a little girl who died in the Black Death in the 1300s. I got the name of her father, it was Andras Hoyt, and I think it was in Hungary.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Is Andras Hoyt a focus of Dora/Arria?


MARTA:: That was my impression. Another one I got was Countess Marie díArmagnac in the 1400s, and she was the grandmother of James II, Stuart, king of England.

ELIAS: Observing.

MARTA:: Letís see. Luigi Boccherini, the Italian composer?

ELIAS: You incorporate a focus...

MARTA:: This is constantly in my mind, Boccherini. I feel the connection with Boccherini, but Iím not sure because I didnít connect it from meditation.

ELIAS: I am understanding. This is not a focus of your essence, but you do incorporate a focus with that individual.

MARTA:: Okay, I need to find out. Now, I feel that I have, as an observing essence, Johan Sebastian Bach.


MARTA:: I got the name Cachima, a woman in the Amazon rain forest, a very natural, a very simple life.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Elizabeth Terence, who came to America from England during the time of King George.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: About my present focus in Mexico, I am trying to connect. What I got is that heís an art professor, a male, but heís not living in Mexico. I got his name, Jose Rincones, but I have been unable to find him.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARTA:: In the ďOversoul SevenĒ books, my impression is Window. (Pause)


MARTA:: I tried to connect with a dimension in which my essence has a focus of a liquid being, okay? I got the name Rulta. I experienced for a few moments and I felt a very different consciousness. I even merged for a few moments. I felt the awareness is totally... I donít know how you call it. Each molecule had the same awareness as I would feel myself having in my head. You know what Iím saying?

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding.

MARTA:: An expanded awareness.


MARTA:: Now, I projected to another dimension and I saw that it was very real. I know itís my interpretation, but what I saw, what I perceived was a huge, round, black, dark rock. I donít know how to explain. I saw that there were beings going in and out, flying. Those beings, they were a mixture between humans and gods, and they had like a membrane that joined their body with their arms. Of course it was my interpretation, but it was that they were flying. I got a strong impression that I have a focus in this dimension and my name is Leetea. I got information that they donít have gravity as we know it and that itís a five dimensional physical universe. Then I got the impression that they manipulated space-time as we manipulate matter and that those round rocks that I perceived were in reality space-time rocks.

ELIAS: Correct! It is an interesting but somewhat accurate translation.

MARTA:: Oh! I canít believe it. Whatís the name of this dimension?

ELIAS: As with any of these type of questions, I shall express to you as I have to other individuals, each dimension does not actually incorporate a name. You may attach a name to it for your own reference, if you are so choosing. But in like manner to your own dimension which does not incorporate a name, other dimensions do not incorporate a name, either. You, within your physical reality, attach names to them merely to allow you a reference point.

MARTA:: Then, particularly if I have an impression of a name, it would be my interpretation that I would relate to this dimension with this name.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: The other night I was meditating and trying to connect with another focus, and then I sensed your energy. Right now I am unable to recognize your energy. But I felt a breath of air in my face like someone was blowing air in my face. (Elias smiles and nods in agreement) You are very subtle. Then I got the impression that the essence has changed. I sensed a very different energy. I donít know how to express. For me, I believe I can say like a very strong personality energy. Then I got impression the essence of (inaudible).


MARTA:: Then also I got the impression that the other essence fragmented from Elias, another essence and Otha.


MARTA:: Now, the other name of the other essence I got, it was like Elanos. (Pause)

ELIAS: Elaamos, E-L-A-A-M-O-S.

MARTA:: Okay. Elias and Otha, I got that right. I would like some verification about a focus you already verified for me, that they are from the chapter in the shift book. Imhotep, Egypt chapter from the shift book?


MARTA:: Lonar, the sorcerer, is from the Scotland chapter?


MARTA:: Penelope, the witch, is from the British islands?


MARTA:: Madeline, Elias Bodreauxís sister, is from the French Revolution?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Rhodas, from The City?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Because what happened is that in the group, everybody has trouble, a problem with how to understand the time framework of the chapters, and they asked me to ask you if you can verify for us the timeframe that spans in those chapters. For example, Egypt chapter, what will be the time framework?

ELIAS: They all fluctuate.

MARTA:: Then itís not precisely like 300 BC.

ELIAS: No. They fluctuate.

MARTA:: Then itís not something like itís only 300, and any other focus doesnít belong to the chapter.

ELIAS: No. This is not correct.

MARTA:: Now, about the religious book. How many chapters has the religious book?

ELIAS: And shall you not investigate?

MARTA:: We have been investigating! We try and already we know that we have nature worship, Melchizedek/Abraham/Zoroaster, Egypt/Amarna, Judea, Roman Civil Wars, Lao Tzu, inception of the Catholic Church, Second World War. Now, my question is I think that the origin of most important religions can be traced to Mesopotamia, like 500, 400 BC. Could this also be a religious chapter?


MARTA:: What about ancient Egypt and Greece? They have also a religious chapter?

ELIAS: Yes. There are many.

MARTA:: Hinduism in India?


MARTA:: I was thinking also that in the religious book should be North, Central and South American culture times, like the time of the Inca, the Mayan, the Aztecs.


MARTA:: Is my essence participating in the Alexander book?


MARTA:: Has my present focus any observing essence?

ELIAS: This focus?

MARTA:: Yeah.


MARTA:: May I have the name?

ELIAS: Jardin, J-A-R-D-I-N.

MARTA:: Thank you. Okay, now I have a question about alternate, probable and parallel selves. After reading the transcripts, I think I have a better understanding between alternate and probable, but parallel selves are not clear for me. Can you can explain the difference between probable and parallel?

ELIAS: A parallel self can also be a probable self, but it would be a specific parallel. It would be a specific type of probable self that would be generated in a manner in which most of their experiences parallel your experiences. Or you may generate a probable self and YOU may become the parallel and you may parallel the probable. Or it may be not a probable self, it may be another aspect of yourself, an alternate you, which parallels your experiences.

MARTA:: Oh, interesting! This parallel would be another self or probable or alternate that... How can I say that? It will be parallel in my intent?


Now; in this, the purpose, so to speak, of generating a parallel self is for what you may term to be additional experience. For the parallel self shall parallel, but shall generate different types of experiences that parallel this same intent.

MARTA:: I have a question. Those parallel selves, they are in a parallel reality?


MARTA:: Good. Now I think I have this more clear. May any probable self also parallel?


MARTA:: In our last session, you verified that Iím in transition. How long I have been in transition?

ELIAS: Approximately six years.

MARTA:: Do all designated final focuses experience expansion of awareness and perception?

ELIAS: In this time framework?

MARTA:: Yes.

ELIAS: In association with this shift, yes.

MARTA:: In general, I donít know. Itís a question that came to my mind.

ELIAS: In general, no; but in this time framework in association with the Shift, yes.

MARTA:: Now I have a question from Dora/Arria. She feels that she is a designated final focus and would like your analysis if she is correct.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Also, she wants to know if sheís already in transition.

ELIAS: Now, beginning.

MARTA:: Is Dora/Arria thought focused or emotional focused?

ELIAS: Political.

MARTA:: Political? Oh, is she going to be...! The first one I am aware of! (Elias chuckles) How many focuses do Arria and I have together?

ELIAS: Twenty.

MARTA:: I had an experience that I would like your explanation, something that never happen before to me. I was in the middle of a lesson, teaching one of my students, and everything was normal, I felt perfectly well. But then suddenly I couldnít really focus my sight. My sight was affected by a blinking point of light, and it was very strange. I had to terminate the lesson with my students. When driving home, it got even more strange. To the side of my vision, it was like moving color and it seemed I was looking through a prism. And I was feeling perfectly well. I was even enjoying the experience. After I got home, it lasted for about 15, 20 minutes, then everything disappeared and it never happened again. What I was creating?

ELIAS: This is an experience that you allowed yourself in conjunction with your movement in connecting with other-dimensional focuses. You have been allowing yourself, within your meditations, to investigate other-dimensional focuses, and in generating an openness in that investigation, you have also allowed yourself a temporary experience in which your perception was altered in a manner in which it may be expressed in an other-dimensional focus.

MARTA:: This is what it was, this two different kinds of sight at once. The problem was seeing normally but my sight it was different. I was seeing totally differently.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: It never happened again, only that day and thatís it. I was feeling perfectly fine and I knew it was interesting.

ELIAS: Let me also express to you that in allowing that type of experience, you also have generated information to yourself concerning this physical reality and movement within this shift in opening to your periphery.

MARTA:: It came totally natural. I didnít expect it; it just came like that, this experience.


MARTA:: Now I have another question. It has to do about transition. When an individual is in transition, it means that they are already aware that they have disengaged?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

MARTA:: A person can be in transition without being aware that they disengaged?

ELIAS: You may be experiencing transition in physical focus.

MARTA:: Iím asking about after the person disengaged.

ELIAS: If the individual has disengaged and has begun the action of transition, yes, they are aware that they are moving in that action of transition.

MARTA:: Regional Area 3 is an area of consciousness in which you say that we can manifest any belief we may have. Now, my question is is it possible for a group of individuals in Regional Area 3 to be together, experience it and manifest their beliefs in a consensual reality without the awareness that they have disengaged from the physical? (Pause)

ELIAS: Let me clarify. If the individual is generating an action of transition, they are aware that they have disengaged. If the individual is not yet engaging that action of transition, it is possible for the individual to not incorporate an awareness that they have disengaged, and in actually is not uncommon. Many individuals disengage and are aware in the moment of that choice to be disengaging. But subsequent to that action, if they are not engaging transition, they may continue for what you term to be a time framework in which they are not actually aware that they are dead. They may continue to be generating objective imagery in similar manner to what they are familiar with within your physical reality.

MARTA:: My question is could this be happening to a group of people, a very large group of people together in this situation?

ELIAS: Yes, it is possible.

MARTA:: I have been trying to imagine your area of consciousness, Elias, your environment. (Elias grins) And I have to say I just came with nothing!

ELIAS: For there is no environment!

MARTA:: (Laughing) I canít imagine! I canít imagine it is just nothing. Will you please explain it to me how your existence is without objective perception?

ELIAS: There is no environment! (Laughs)

MARTA:: No wonder I canít imagine anything!

ELIAS: (Laughs) There is awareness, but there is no objective expression.

MARTA:: But it is so hard, because when I think Iím able to imagine it, for me the action of imagination requires some objectivity.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: And then I canít! (Both laugh) I canít. Itís enough. That just made me think of something. Seth mentions that in his area of consciousness he created an environment that he pleased. He said he was very fond of 14th Rome. Now, was this in Regional Area 4 or not?


MARTA:: Because he said that he was very pleased with this, but this is a physical manifestation.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: It canít be the same area of Elias, you know?

ELIAS: Now; let me also express to you that an essence may be occupying a particular area of consciousness, or perhaps I may express more clearly that different attentions of the essence may be occupying different areas of consciousness, and dependent upon what area of consciousness a particular attention is occupying, they may also incorporate a flexibility and a mobility to move from one area to another.

You also incorporate this ability in your manifestation, in your attention within your physical reality, but it may be somewhat more challenging to generate that type of movement. For you do incorporate an objective awareness within your physical manifestation, and therefore moving outside of that objective awareness may be somewhat challenging, for it is unfamiliar to you.

But as an example, this attention, or in actuality many attentions, of my essence occupy this Regional Area 4, but I also may incorporate the action of moving this attention to Regional Area 3 and...

MARTA:: Manifest something.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I get it. You can create a totally different (inaudible) and this projection of this aspect of yourself can be manifest (inaudible).

ELIAS: Correct. Although, this incorporates little interest for myself and therefore I do not generally incorporate that type of action, for it is unnecessary to be generating objective physical imagery.

MARTA:: But you know I just try, I try to imagine you in those areas. (Both laugh)

Now, let me tell you about something, an experience, Elias, that I only can describe as an expansion of awareness. I think it was remembrance. It was not memory. It was remembrance. What I experienced was I was merging my subjective and objective awareness. I became aware of how this focus of attention throughout my entire manifestation has been in constant connection with all the other focuses of my essence and how interesting the perspective is in all my other focuses. I became aware that even though this perspective is unique and individual, I am much more than this, how in reality I am essence because essence is not separated from me. But the other focuses themselves are unique, as I am, but they are me. Also I became aware that this, my focus of attention now, here couldnít be what it is without all the other aspects or the entirety of my essence.

This awareness then expanded to all dimensions and all areas of consciousness. I was having this expansion of awareness and then I have also the awareness that it was the same among essences, that there is no separation among essences and there is no separation among all the aspects of my essence.

I think it was truly incredible, because I have this incredible awareness of interconnection of all consciousness without having any moment of losing my individuality. I didnít connect with any focuses before, but it was only in this moment that I truly, truly felt this connection. I became totally, totally aware of this connection, that it was through my entire life, not only now. Itís become part of my awareness.

Also, I became aware of something that is very hard for me to express in words. I will try. I became aware that all those aspects of essence are not really like belonging to one focus and the other aspect is another focus. I felt that all those aspects are like qualities, propensities that are energy characteristics of my essence. And we, the focus that we manifested, manifests some of those aspects like from a pool of energy or qualities of essence, constantly. We interchange constantly those aspects. Itís hard for me to express. I felt that a focus is like a point or a focus of perfection which manifests any of those aspects from essence by choice, but experience of the perception of the focus is unique and individual.

I understood also that the experience of the focus is enriched by the essence with the additional more, new aspects that are created by the focuses. Itís very hard to explain it and I canít. But...

ELIAS: I may express to you that you are offering quite an adequate explanation!

MARTA:: And this was no memory, it was awareness. The only thing that I can express to you, it was awareness.

ELIAS: Yes. And this is remembrance. You are correct, it is not memory. It is an experience of knowing, which is an experience of the remembrance.

Now; it, in being an experience, may become a memory, but it is not a memory that you are generating. You are generating a genuine awareness of the knowing of what you are.

MARTA:: Itís hard to explain it, but I try to tell you basically in my own words, how I can express it.


MARTA:: And itís basically... You validate that?


MARTA:: Elias, another thing is I know that objectively I donít have all the answers. I do have my pool of beliefs, but I have been feeling less and less need for answers. I feel like living in the natural world, in the place of no conflict in which there is the feeling that subjectively everything is understood, but knowing without thinking what I know. I have no need of answers or any need of discussing. Itís very weird. (Elias chuckles) Itís a feeling of trusting myself that I canít explain. I trust myself without even thinking.


MARTA:: I also have the feeling that my attention is not directed anymore to the physical like it used to before. I see many people and theyíre interested in creating this, in creating that, or in how they are creating, and I guess I donít feel those needs. I know that all my creations will be naturally in accordance with my intent and perfection.

ELIAS: Which offers you tremendous freedom, does it not? For now you allow yourself to move freely and not concern yourself with all of these complications.

MARTA:: This is what I call playfulness, because Iím not concerning how Iím going to do this and do that. I can just trust that everything will be naturally manifested according to my intent and my position.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: But I do not feel true attraction to this physical like I see so many people have. Is this because Iím in transition and Iím the designated final focus?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. For this is a common misconception, that a designated final focus shall be generating certain types of experiences that incorporate less interest in physical manifestations or in this physical reality. This is, in actually, not a rule, and there are many designated final focuses that express a tremendous interest in this physical reality. It is more associated with your experiences and with your individual movement, and what you are generating in association with your own freedom and your preferences.

MARTA:: It is a personal and individual matter.


MARTA:: About thoughts, thoughts are always a translation.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: It seems to me that thoughts will always be affected by our beliefs. It can be an interpretation, a translation, of a communication. You verified that Iím a thought focus. I draw information mostly through thought. But many times I have what I call ďinstant knowing,Ē then I translate to words, okay?

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: But many times I feel that Iím unable to translate into words what I feel I know.


MARTA:: You mentioned that we also communicate through tone, through resonance.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I felt this many times, this resonance, without thought being involved. For example, I remember with Seth I resonated right away with the material, right away, and I felt that resonance in all my entire body. It was shaking. It was a recognition, you know?


MARTA:: It was not an intellectual thing, no. It was resonance; it was recognition.


MARTA:: I have the same thing with you and with the material and all the information that you are giving to us. I resonate with it and I recognized it, the material.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

MARTA:: Now, this is what you call also instant knowing?


MARTA:: And a thought-focused person can have those, because I had it.

ELIAS: Yes. You are not limited to understanding merely through thought as you may be a thought-focused individual. This is merely the method, so to speak, in which you process information for the most part, intellectually. It is a type of lens of your perception.

Thought-focused individuals process information somewhat more literally than an emotionally focused individual. An emotionally focused individual incorporates within their perception more interpretive-ness.

MARTA:: We thought-focused are more direct.

ELIAS: At times, yes, for you incorporate more of a literalness in your perception. Therefore, there is an element of preciseness. There is also an element of rigidness at times.

MARTA:: (Laughs) I know! Iím aware of that. (Elias chuckles) We can be very stubborn. Oh, Elias, itís true.

Now, this is for people in the forum in which basically they want to change their perception about your information, the Seth Material and others. I found that each person interprets your words so differently.


MARTA:: Itís according to their perception. Itís like weíre talking in different languages. And your own words are interpreted so differently... (Elias chuckles) Youíre laughing but itís true!

ELIAS: I am aware!

MARTA:: My goodness, weíre reading the same information and those people interpreted it so differently than me. This brought two questions I have. The first thing was about responsibility. I know that I am not responsible for other people, that each created his reality. But I feel that I hold a responsibility to myself, to essence and to all consciousness in the acceptance of all consciousness and in expressing myself from essence, in which all my actions, thoughts and words would be for the benefit of all consciousness. I donít create otherís realities and choices, I know that. But I feel, I believe that there is a (inaudible) in all consciousness, that each action and thought I may have will affect all consciousness, and I feel this for me is a responsibility. Now, there is such a thing as this responsibility or not?


MARTA:: We do hold this responsibility to ourself, to essence and to consciousness?

ELIAS: Yes, but recognize that all of the experiences are beneficial and they are experiences which are contributing movements to expansion. What becomes confusing is that you also generate your own beliefs and your own assessments of good and bad.

Your responsibility to self and to essence and to consciousness is to be aware of yourself, of your direction, and of your responsibility to be accepting of yourself and to be manipulating your energy in association with your awareness of yourself and your direction, and in that also to be aware that whatever you may express as your truths is acceptable. You may be expressing that and being, in your terms, true to yourself and your preferences and your expressed beliefs, but also recognizing that they are unique to you and that it is not necessary to agree with other individuals in relation to their experiences and their expressed beliefs and their truths.

MARTA:: This is what I call acceptance. I accept any other consciousness.

ELIAS: Correct. And your responsibility is to be generating the cooperation, regardless of whether you incorporate agreement.

MARTA:: This is the way I saw this responsibility, that it has nothing to do with right and wrong, good or bad.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: I think itís more like an integrity with myself.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

MARTA:: Language is very limiting, but this is how I see it. It has nothing to do with good, bad, right, wrong, no.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARTA:: Then we do hold this kind of responsibility?


MARTA:: The other point of their interpretation is that they think that thought-focused people are more limited in their perception than emotionally focused people.


MARTA:: I donít see any kind of limitation with any of those, political, thought, emotional or...

ELIAS: No, not at all. They are merely different lenses or methods of how you interpret and how you process information.

MARTA:: Because they interpreted your words differently to the way I did.

I have more questions but weíre already past the time. (Both laugh) Oh, Elias, I always enjoy so much talking to you!

ELIAS: And you also, my friend.

MARTA:: You know, I can repeat it over and over, but I love you, I love you, I love you! (Elias laughs) I hope that we will meet again very soon.

ELIAS: As do I also, my friend.

MARTA:: Any advice for me?

ELIAS: Continue in the direction that you are generating now and continue to allow yourself this freedom of your own playfulness. (Both laugh)

MARTA:: And to keep trusting myself.


MARTA:: This is the key, an amazing key for me.


MARTA:: Okay, Elias, thank you, thank you, thank you! I love you very much and I will talk to you very soon, okay?

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. You are quite welcome and I express my lovingness and affection to you also.

MARTA:: And always be close to me.

ELIAS: I shall.

MARTA:: Love you, bye-bye.

ELIAS: In great fondness, my friend, au revoir.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 8 minutes.

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