Thursday, January 01, 2004
“Experimenting with Nonphysical Intimacy”
“Complacency in Intimate Relationships”
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Myranda).
(Arrival time is 18 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good afternoon!
ANJULI: Hello Elias!
ELIAS: (Laughs) And what shall we discuss?
ANJULI: Do you experience ... there was a sound, Elias. Now it’s there again. (Elias chuckles) What am I creating?
ELIAS: What ARE you creating? (Anjuli laughs) Perhaps if you allow yourself to relax and quiet your excitement, you may be generating less interference. Ha ha ha!
ANJULI: Oh, Elias, that’s surprising that I am excited!
ELIAS: You have incorporated a time framework in which you have not objectively engaged conversation with myself.
ANJULI: Yes. We had other conversations...
ANJULI: ...many others. (Elias chuckles) That’s on my list of questions also, our other interactions.
ELIAS: Very well.
ANJULI: Because I was so happy with them, I didn’t feel a need, so to speak, for the sessions, although they are always fun. But there was definitely a big change.
ELIAS: I am understanding.
ANJULI: It was an experience of much greater intimacy and a new understanding what intimacy is, and about relationship, I think.
ELIAS: Yes, and allowance of more freedom.
ANJULI: It started somehow in the session when I talked to you about translating you into solid form...
ANJULI: ...and we talked about how I can translate you and use other bodies of your physical focuses for your body that I translate your Regional Area 4 focus into.
ANJULI: You said I can also use bodies of your other-dimensional focuses as a body to translate your nonphysical focus into, but that it is understandable that I am using a body of my species to translate you.
ANJULI: Ja, and I felt a something in your energy when you said the words “your species.” There was a something. (Elias chuckles) Then later, with all of the many fantasy books I am reading, in one of my “Darkover” books there was somebody who had an intimate romantic relationship with a being of another species. When I read about their relationship and their explorations of each other, there was all of a sudden the experience of I have a relationship with you, and you are after all another species, so to speak.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes, you are correct.
ANJULI: Ja, so I suddenly related it to that story in the book, that when you have an intimate relationship how they were exploring each other in intimacy. They were exploring each other and it was new and unfamiliar and also great fun.
ANJULI: We still create the sound! I create it. (Elias chuckles) From then on, I was understanding my interactions and the experiences with you differently.
ELIAS: I am understanding. For you are widening your awareness in different manners and allowing yourself new explorations of different types of relationships, but no less intimate.
ANJULI: Yes. The old intimacy we are used to is, of course, that there is a relationship of two beings of the same species, and they hug and do all the things which we think to be intimate. Suddenly I understood that there are so many more ways to express intimacy and it does not have to be physical, with a physical being.
ANJULI: It also was almost as if I would at that time not desire to translate you into a solid body. It was energy-wise so interesting.
ELIAS: I am understanding. It is an interesting exploration, and in this, it is fascinating to experiment with other types of intimacies and expand your awareness and your experiences in association with intimate relationships and how they translate in energy.
ANJULI: I also had lots of fun with Vicki/Lawrence.
ELIAS: (Chuckles) Who in this time framework is generating considerable activity!
ANJULI: We did some games together. For example, I tried a little bit of an energy mix with her similar as I do with you, and we played a card game on my computer. Is this correct, we did that?
ANJULI: Ja, and I was very happy about that. It is again this fulfillment of a relationship which is unusual, and she is after all not physical but was physical. I was sometimes creating a little bit of a loneliness or something like that, maybe because the usual traditional relationships are not so interesting anymore. When I talk with her and interact with her, I feel so fulfilled because of this sharing of the action of transition, but also about my interest in energy and how it translates into the objective, and I felt understood by her.
ELIAS: Yes. And in this, if you are allowing, at times you may generate what you may term to be more of a completeness in intimacy with an energy that is nonphysical, for you generate less separation. For in associating and interacting with an individual that is nonphysical, you do not restrict yourself with the form of a physical body; therefore, you allow an intermingling of the energies together within your own physical form, and you generate an awareness of the realness of the other individual’s energy and allow that to penetrate your energy field, which generally speaking, for the most part within physical focus, individuals do not necessarily allow that type of an interaction in intimacy, in which their energy is so very mingled that there is no distinction of physical forms.
ANJULI: So my interest in that has something to do with my intent of creating unusualness. Also the soft orientation is a bit a part of that, but it is especially my intent?
ANJULI: That I am in transition also is a factor?
ELIAS: Yes, but you could be generating this action if you were not engaging the action of transition, and that would be generated in association with your intent.
ANJULI: Ja, and then I felt the more I do it and the more I am used to it and it gets more intense, I guess this can continue...
ANJULI: ...in more intensity?
ELIAS: Yes. And in this, as you become more familiar with these types of actions, you do not generate fear even if you are creating more of an intensity in the experiences, for you are aware that there is no harmfulness that may be expressed to you or with you. In this, it is merely a matter of generating new explorations of intensities and discovering your own capacity for these types of experiences and your own appreciation in much more of a depth.
ANJULI: Who would have thought that I have times in which I don’t even think of translating you into solid form into my species! Although, of course, I will still focus on that also, Elias.
ELIAS: (Laughs) I am understanding.
ANJULI: Ja, but I feel as if what I do now is sort of... Let’s say if I would have translated a longer interaction with you in solid form earlier, I would have focused more on the physical.
ELIAS: Correct, and in this, what you are offering to yourself is evidence of your own widening of awareness, that you are moving beyond merely paying attention to physical manifestations. Not that the actions that you incorporate within physical manifestations may not be fulfilling in some capacity, but there are expressions beyond that which are not limited to the familiar associations of how individuals interact in physical manifestations.
ANJULI: So when I am more paying attention to that, more exploring that and allow myself to not pay attention to the objects, I feel that I even do not desire for that so much. I am a little bit afraid that something is wrong with that. But I can do that, to focus more on these other things, and I don’t need to be afraid that somebody will think me to be crazy because I am not cleaning my apartment! (Elias laughs) I mean, when I focus more on these explorations, I do not have to pay attention to my Anjuli focus and the objective so much. The translation into the objective imagery functions, so to speak, by itself?
ANJULI: And this has also something to do with the wave of truth, because the objective imagery does not need to be in a sequential, logical sequence?
ANJULI: The objective imagery is really an imagery, and I don’t have to think of sequences and how I did that, so to speak, in the past?
ELIAS: Yes. I am acknowledging of you, Myranda, that you have offered yourself considerable information in these experiences and are generating that examination of truths, recognizing that they are not true, but that you may continue to express them IF YOU CHOOSE in time frameworks in which you choose to express them, but that you are not bound to them. They are not absolutes.
This is a tremendous discovery of your own individual freedom, that you may allow yourself to choose the actions that you want rather than expressing expectations of yourself of what you SHOULD BE engaging, as opposed to what you WANT to be engaging, and that what you want to be engaging is not absolutely frivolous but that it does offer you considerable experiences that are valuable.
Those experiences that you are offering to yourself now in this exploration of intimacy with individuals that may be nonphysical can translate into a greater awareness and appreciation for your interactions with individuals that are physically manifest, therefore enhancing your relationships and your experiences and allowing you a much greater fullness in intimacy within your interactions with individuals that ARE physically focused, if you so choose.
ANJULI: It already happened. I am experiencing more of an ease and a closeness because of that.
ELIAS: Yes, for your awareness is widening in a manner in which you generate a greater understanding of the meaning of intimacy, and you have allowed yourself these experiences of this intimacy with yourself and with energies that you cannot touch. Therefore if you may generate such intensity in experiences with energies and you become aware of your own intimacy with yourself, you allow a much greater exposure objectively within your physical interactions with other individuals, and you allow yourself a tremendous capacity for much greater freedom. In this, you allow yourself to be receiving much more.
ANJULI: Yes. So I don’t have to have my attention on the objective to be functioning in the objective “better” and with more freedom.
ANJULI: That is because I allow myself to do what is interesting for me, and that is why then everything is easier.
ANJULI: And Elias, if I in this now want to create lots of unfamiliar actions within essence, connections with my other focuses or more intense connections with other essence aspects and all that – the ones we talked about in many of our sessions – but in more intensity as I do now, I think I have still some fears probably about that. If I, for example, find myself being physically solid in The City in the future or at the Alterversity, are these fears or beliefs into absolutes or what? What would I do energy-wise to accomplish that?
ELIAS: I may express to you, it is not actually quite a fear but somewhat of an apprehension, and that is generated merely that you are beginning to create experiences that are genuinely unfamiliar. As you continue and you practice with these types of experiences, you shall allow yourself much more of an ease and a confidence in these actions.
There are some beliefs concerning what you should be engaging and responsibility that are being expressed also in association with these experiences, that perhaps you are not being productive enough in an objective manner in your own focus – which, recognize that that matters not. You are, in your terms, being productive and you are offering yourself valuable experiences that do translate in other manners in your focus in your objective awareness. For the more that you evidence to yourself what your capacity is and what your abilities are and that you actually, genuinely CAN generate these types of manifestations and these types of experiences, it reinforces your trust and your confidence within this now in your objective reality, in which you allow yourself much more of the expression of your own power, which is the point.
ANJULI: Let’s say I create lots of these types of actions, actions in which I do not focus so much on my focus but on essence and consciousness actions, my focus can still be functioning normally, so to speak?
ANJULI: And I don’t have to think about it, that is happening by itself? Yes.
ELIAS: Yes, you are quite correct.
ANJULI: So what is happening now within me is remembrance, that I feel more being essence, all of my focuses, and not so much mainly my focus Anjuli.
ELIAS: Yes, that IS an experience of the remembrance. In this, recognize that if you are allowing yourself to generate experiences in which you actually physically manifest yourself within other focuses, other time frameworks, and you are aware of what you are doing, how powerful of an experience is that in association with reinforcing your trust of your abilities. How much shall you offer yourself the trust in your objective expression now that you may create whatever you want to be creating? For you are creating these experiences of materializing yourself, so to speak, within other focuses, knowing the other focus but also knowing yourself as being that focus as essence. If you may manifest a physical form, you may manifest anything that you want.
ANJULI: Elias, when I translate you into a physically solid form and I could use any of your bodies of your focuses to translate you, can this be done with my focus also?
ANJULI: I am still my same focus Anjuli and could use any of the bodies I have in other focuses?
ELIAS: If you are so choosing, yes.
ANJULI: Recently after an intense dream, I woke up and for a short time there was the feeling as if I did not recognize my body anymore or what. Did I have for a short time another body, another type?
ANJULI: Oh! Oh! (Elias laughs) Which one? Probably that of my splinter in the future, Roni Elwing?
ANJULI: I shall be investigating.
ELIAS: Yes. (Laughs)
ANJULI: For example, I could create looking into the mirror – or I don’t have to look into the mirror for that – but in the next moment I could feel “oh, I have another body.” How would that feel if I don’t have my old body?
ELIAS: I may express to you that you shall continue to feel as yourself but surprise yourself that your appearance is different.
ANJULI: So I can use the bodies of other focuses for my focus, and if I would start playing with my energy, I could also change this body without using another body. This body also could be like what my fluid focus does with his body, so I could change things in my body without that being the body of another focus?
ANJULI: Ja. The beliefs are still maybe quite strong, still. (Elias laughs) But I can see that as something very normal, so to speak. So in the future that is very normal, so I can use the collective of the future, probably, as a support for this action?
ELIAS: If you are so choosing.
ANJULI: Or I don’t need the support of the collective, I can do that outside of the collective beliefs of my time also.
ELIAS: Yes, but I may also express to you as I have expressed previously, in pooling energies it does allow any individual to be creating more easily, for it is a combining of energies which generates a greater strength.
ANJULI: Then I can use future focuses, my own focuses and those of other essences, to pool, like I already did.
ANJULI: I can pool with the future beings who are exploring similar, or beings in other time frameworks, wherever they are, who are exploring similar, and pool with them.
ELIAS: Yes, you may.
ANJULI: Yes, and about creating the past and all other time frameworks in the now: if I, for example, create a very new past for my focus in the now, after all I do not just create the memory, I do an action in the other time framework?
Now; in this, what occurs is that you exchange one probability for another. The other probability continues to exist, so to speak, but it is exchanged for a different probability being inserted into this reality.
ANJULI: Ja, and those probabilities would be created in the now. If I would see them as already created, they are also created in the now.
ANJULI: So if I use another probability, then this probability I now use would move into being another probability, and I don’t have to think that I don’t accept my old past.
ANJULI: Because it is still my past, it is just moved into a probability.
ELIAS: Correct. It has been inserted into a probable reality, and you have inserted a different probability into this reality.
ANJULI: I thought I have probably beliefs that for the generating of a new past in the now or for the creating of a new probability I need to create the past in the form of first having certain beliefs into not trusting self or what. But if I have this past already, I don’t have to create another probability with again the same beliefs?
ELIAS: Correct. Or you may if you choose to do so, but you are not bound to that.
ANJULI: Ja, it is not an absolute.
ANJULI: It is not that that is bad. To explore a little bit more wideness in my new past in some areas would not mean that I try to have a utopia life.
ANJULI: I can probably see this as me writing a story. That is probably helpful for me to view it as that?
ELIAS: Yes, in a manner of speaking, and that you may change the experiences of the characters within the book.
ANJULI: In a past session, we once talked about that I have been writing books in the past as imageries of my explorations and that I now want to feel my now created life as a story, that I am exploring to get the impressions similarly and to feel the story without using the tool of writing it down. You said this would be more familiar, and meanwhile it is more familiar. Sometimes I sit there and I feel how I, so to speak, write my story now, create my life as a story, and I experience a similar intensity of detail as I had in the past by writing it down.
ANJULI: So that is a direction I am now training more? This can be more intense, the using of this experience as a tool?
ELIAS: Oh yes.
ANJULI: And I can also use as a tool what I did in my Runi-Inmi book, you remember, the probability which I want to experience which I probably have already created?
ANJULI: This helps me a little bit because it is an unfamiliar action, and to think like that helps.
ELIAS: And offers you creative playfulness, which allows you more freedom in what you may allow yourself to express and to explore in alterations of energies, alterations of past experiences and probabilities, and exploring alterations in future probabilities also, if you are so choosing. Although, I am understanding that it is more challenging and therefore somewhat more exciting to be generating alterations of past experiences and scenarios, for you view them as much more solid and more absolute than you do future experiences.
ANJULI: While you talked, I created a little firework outside right now. (Elias laughs) Oh, that is a nice validation I created!
ELIAS: Offering yourself a celebration of you! Ha ha ha!
ANJULI: As to relationships, I am changing my view on intimate relationships also. Sometimes I thought the most exciting experience is when you start to know somebody, the beginning time, because the beginning time would be an expression of exploring the unfamiliar.
ANJULI: But that does not have to be like that in intimate relationships. It can always be new.
ELIAS: Yes. The reason that individuals generate complacency many times in association with intimate relationships is that they incorporate these beliefs that they may explore the relationship only to a point, that eventually you shall have explored in intimacy with another individual to the end, so to speak, and that there is no more to explore – which in actuality is quite ludicrous. For, look to yourself and how you may be exploring yourself and discovering new elements and new factors and new abilities within yourself. Every individual incorporates this vastness, the same as yourself.
Therefore, in genuinely recognizing what it is to be exploring in intimacy, you may continue to be generating that excitement regardless of how much you know objectively concerning another individual, for there are always new avenues to be exploring and to be tapping into new expressions of energy. For all is continuously changing, and therefore it is not static. In this, with another individual, just as you may with yourself or with an individual that is nonphysically expressed, you may be generating tremendous excitement.
The key in that, in continuing to explore a relationship within physical focus in that manner, is appreciation. For once you discontinue the expression of appreciation, you also discontinue your motivation to explore.
ANJULI: Just a second, Elias, the tape.
ELIAS: Very well.
ANJULI: The others also tape their sessions. They say this must be the wave of truth. (Elias chuckles) (inaudible comment)
ELIAS: I am understanding.
ANJULI: I had some experiences, greater experience of the awareness of me as consciousness.
ANJULI: This is much more on an experiential than on an intellectual level. In the past, what I called “me” was much more my focus or essence, Myranda. Now the feeling is a stronger experience of ME: I am consciousness, I am the Shift, I am all the essences.
ELIAS: Correct, and this is an awareness of less separation, which is also significant in expressing that remembrance. For as you dissipate the separation, you also generate less of a stronghold in your associations with absolutes, for the absolutes become blurred and you begin to recognize that regardless of what you view to be absolute, it is not.
ANJULI: Then I won’t have to be, for example, intellectually investigating all of my absolutes. I can do other actions like energy experiences, and then the rest is a by-product?
ELIAS: Yes, you may.
ANJULI: As essence we have probable focuses to our focuses. Do we also have probabilities to essence actions?
ANJULI: So for example, I could have a probable essence action that I don’t focus at all into physical dimensions?
ANJULI: Or about my number of focuses in this dimension?
ANJULI: I felt that I increased my number of focuses in this dimension again. I thought about the new focus number and I felt two numbers – one was 111 and the other 119. I have the feeling that this was concerning two probable essence actions, and sometimes I felt to be exploring to have 119 focuses and sometimes 111.
ANJULI: So I investigate my essence probabilities like I do with my focus probabilities?
ANJULI: Oh, then I will write a mail to the lists that I have created two different kinds focus number increases, one 111 and the other one 119! (Both laugh) Is that sort of correct, can I write that in that way?
ELIAS: And both are correct.
ANJULI: And both are correct? Oh, Elias! (Both laugh)
Ja, then we are arriving a little bit at some fun impressions about those new focuses. KC/Nanaiis and I think to be quite correct about a future focus. We are a northern Italian family and we like to do gender changing and all these kind of things. She is my mother or my father, but she was choosing to be my mother when she was pregnant with me. The focus of Archor is the father, or when he is gender changing he is the mother of the focus of me. Is this correct?
ANJULI: And I am using various names. One would be Djinni or Tiazian, and some other names probably, but these two are names?
ANJULI: And the name of Nanaiis is Kijhi?
ANJULI: And Jean is the name of Archor?
ANJULI: And I have some elder brothers. One is a focus of Patel, Zhesti?
ANJULI: And we are in the century after the year 7600?
ANJULI: Then all the other impressions, details about what we are doing, are also correct. We have lots of fun with that. (Elias laughs) Nanaiis and I were wondering of my friend Lilian U. is a current focus of Nanaiis.
ELIAS: Not a current focus but an observing.
ANJULI: I was wondering, in the time when I was pregnant, an essence was interacting with me, although there was in this probability no essence responding to be using that body of my daughter as a focus, but there was some action of some essence interacting with me during the time of pregnancy, correct?
ANJULI: I created some imagery that this has been Ayla.
ANJULI: Has Nanaiis also a little bit been involved in that?
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.
ANJULI: There is a new individual in the forum, in Berlin, Germany, Gunnar G., and he would like to know his essence name.
ELIAS: Essence name, Ethan, E-T-H-A-N.
ANJULI: Then also his family and all that, he thinks he is probably Sumari belonging or aligning.
ANJULI: And what is his belonging?
ANJULI: I just thought Gramada and you said it! (Elias laughs) Is he common?
ANJULI: And he thinks to be a final focus. That is correct?
ANJULI: Recently Giselle discovered her focus in the folklore dimension, Arkanderel, and I had the feeling that the brother of her focus, who is a focus of the essence Arkandin, his name is Arkandini?
ANJULI: And I am also a sibling of them and have the name Ardarion?
ANJULI: Are we wizards?
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.
ANJULI: Kind of energy artists.
ANJULI: With my focus Empress Sisi of Austria, Sandel had such an interesting imagery, because a cat sat on her lap named after the Bavarian Princess Sisi. We thought she must have a nice intimate focus with me. We discovered that probably she is Bay Middleton. Is that correct?
ANJULI: Ah, great, Elias! And I thought Sisi’s close friend Ida von Ferenczy is a focus of Khalil?
ANJULI: Our family is increasing! We can even increase the identifications of focuses with Sophie, Franz Joseph and Sisi much more with the group session in Vienna. (Elias laughs)
There are many impressions about the other civilizations in this dimension. I have the feeling that one of them, the civilization I am connecting with the imagery of the gate and the city, that this is a civilization exploring most focuses having soft orientation. Like we have most commons, so they have more soft?
ELIAS: Within the time framework of The City?
ANJULI: No, in our civilization here on Earth we have in all time frameworks more commons than soft and intermediate...
ANJULI: ...and I thought that it would be logical that we explore in other civilizations in our dimension having another percentage of the orientations, that they explore in a different way. I thought in the entire civilization with the gate and the city they have more soft than the other orientations.
ANJULI: We also connected with a civilization which I thought is exploring to be mostly intermediate, and Vinu and I found that it has a kind of dark sky with a purple light. Is that a civilization with mostly intermediates?
ELIAS: Yes. These are both parallel probable realities.
ANJULI: What? Oh! They are the same civilization and the one is the probable to the other one?
ELIAS: They are all probable to each other. Your civilization, so to speak, is a probable to each of those civilizations, and each of those are probables to each other and to your civilization.
ANJULI: Oh, you mean they are on Earth, these two? No... Okay, I don’t understand.
ELIAS: Yes, but they are parallel probable realities. They occupy the same space arrangement and they are expressed in the same design as your reality; but as you have discovered, each incorporates the majority of the manifestations of a different orientation.
ANJULI: Does this mean we don’t have to think in terms of other planets with the other civilizations in our dimension?
ELIAS: It is dependant upon what you are exploring. In relation to probable realities that are associated with actions and manifestations that are generated with your planet and your civilizations, these would not necessarily be manifest in association with different planets. They are dimensions within dimensions. In this, they are expressed in relation to probable realities; therefore, in a manner of speaking, they are interconnected with your reality.
There are other realities that are expressed and other civilizations that are expressed in association with other planets, but they may be expressed quite differently, and the reality of these civilizations may be different from what you are familiar with within...
ANJULI: Would they count as other dimensions or as being in our dimension?
ELIAS: They would be within your dimension.
ANJULI: Oh, but then they would not be exploring a human body, for example. They would have a very different...
ANJULI: Ah, I probably start to understand. Ja, but with whom am I connecting with this...? I have probable focuses in those other probable parallel civilizations?
ANJULI: And when I connect with them, I connect with probable focuses of my essence and of others in those probable civilizations?
ELIAS: Yes. Therefore, now you offer yourself more avenues of exploration.
ANJULI: But definitely, Elias! (Both laugh) Ah, Elias, I will look for a probable civilization in which you did not choose that all of your focuses after 1900 fragmented! (Elias laughs)
I have written down some impressions about five of my focuses. Is it too much when I focus on this entire half page and ask you if it is all correct?
ELIAS: I may express to you, for the most part yes. (Anjuli laughs) And in your evaluation, you shall offer yourself impressions as to which of your impressions are somewhat clouded.
ANJULI: Are my impressions about the focuses of Patel correct?
ANJULI: And the impression that Katharina of Aragon is a focus of Cynthia?
ANJULI: That is correct also?
ANJULI: Then I will look into the rest. I have also written down many names, the names about my new future focuses within my essence probability decision to have 111 focuses. Are they also correct?
ANJULI: Oh, that is a nice way to ask you, Elias. (Elias chuckles)
Then we come to the letter of my mother. She has written a letter to you.
ELIAS: Very well.
(Omitted by request)
ANJULI: Thank you, Elias.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome.
ANJULI: When I connect with my father, I have much more of a nonphysical feeling as when I connect with Vicki/Lawrence. I wanted to ask you if that was my translation or if sometimes just for fun during my connection she used some kind of a little bit of an objective imagery for herself for fun, or was that a translation I did?
ELIAS: That was a translation.
ANJULI: It is just that she is aware of my...?
ELIAS: Yes, and is projecting an energy that is directed. Therefore, in your reception of that energy, you translate in a manner which is intended.
ANJULI: It is certainly not an absolute that our hour is over, Elias! What do you think? (Both laugh) Not for you, but maybe for me it is quite an absolute. (Elias chuckles) Let’s see, I could quickly accept that now...
ELIAS: (Laughs) And in that, you may also continue our interaction subsequent to your discontinuation of this interaction.
ANJULI: Yes, right, right. (Elias laughs) I have now less problems with this, because I know how intense our interaction is and I trust myself in creating lots of creativity around that.
ELIAS: I express my congratulations to you. (Chuckles)
ANJULI: Thank you for all the fun we created, Elias.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome, and I am quite enjoying of it. As always to you, Myranda, my dear friend, I express tremendous affection and great lovingness.
ANJULI: To you too, Elias.
ELIAS: I express to you, my friend, au revoir.
ANJULI: Au revoir, Elias.
Elias departs after 1 hour, 5 minutes.
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