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  Session 1226 (Private/Phone)  

“The Challenge of Raising ‘Children of the Shift’”

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Pat (Ling-Tu).

Elias arrives at 11:52 AM. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

PAT: Good morning, Elias! (Elias chuckles) Happy holidays to you!

ELIAS: And to you also!

PAT: Thank you so much! I’m happy to be with you today, considering how I was postponing my session repeatedly! (Both laugh) Probably because I wasn’t ready. I think I am now.

ELIAS: Very well!

PAT: I’m going to ask some questions for other folks first, okay? Actually for me really, but about other people.

ELIAS: Very well.

PAT: Carter, essence name Cynthia – there is a professor who works where I work named Dr. Alfred Franzblau who looks just like him, just like Carter. Is this a focus of his essence? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: It is! He looks almost identical! It was kind of shocking. (Elias chuckles)

Fran/Sandel, did she work in the Faberge workshop, who made the Faberge eggs for the Romanov family?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: And am I Peter Carl Faberge?

ELIAS: Observing essence.

PAT: Ooo! I love that. Okay! (Elias chuckles)

For Bridgy/Thelma, the essence name of her mother, Lisbeth, please?

ELIAS: Vincea, V-I-N-C-E-A (vin SAY).

PAT: My friend Jose, may I have his essence name please?

ELIAS: Essence name, Lowe, L-O-W-E (LOW).

PAT: My friend Gail that I work with, is she Sumari aligned with Milumet?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: And her essence name, please? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Minnie, M-I-N-N-I-E (MIN ee).

PAT: Wonderful! She and I share focuses as sisters?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: How many focuses do we share together? Nine?

ELIAS: I am acknowledging!

PAT: Ooo! Wonderful! While she was on vacation, she met a man in a restaurant and she feels that this is someone she shared a focus with and was married to. Two questions – was this a man she was married to and was it in a focus she had in Hawaii?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: Now, she was on a camping trip reading a magazine and all of a sudden a dragonfly flew up in front of her. It kind of hovered there and landed on her magazine. Her husband took a picture of it and she made me a piece of artwork. She feels very much that that dragonfly was me or specifically my energy. Was that the case? Was I projecting energy to her?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: In that form?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: What is the imagery of dragonflies for me? I’m very drawn to that.

ELIAS: Balance.

PAT: Balance? Wow, I never thought of that! You know, I thought it had to do with my sense of feeling that that is a bow. I guess that’s the same thing, that it’s a creature that exists in reality yet seems like it exists outside of reality also. So that is the same thing, isn’t it?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: It’s the balance of those two things. Wonderful! (Laughs) Thank you!

My brother Tom, he is Sumari/Vold?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: And his essence name please?

ELIAS: Essence name, Greshen, G-R-E-S-H-E-N (GRESH en).

PAT: He and I hold such connectedness to one another. Is that because we’re both Sumari belonging and aligned with Vold?

ELIAS: Partially, and also partially that you engage other focuses together.

PAT: How many would that be? Shall I fancy another impression?

ELIAS: Very well!

PAT: Eleven?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: For my friend Melissa, whose essence name is Adelle, her grandmother, Gregoria, made her transition and disengaged last year. May I have her essence name, please? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Mariel, M-A-R-I-E-L (mary EL).

PAT: And Melissa wanted to know that her grandmother is doing fine, correct? I assured her she was, but...

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

PAT: You know Anjuli/Myranda, am I Marie, the sister to her focus of Empress Sisi?

ELIAS: Observing essence.

PAT: Boy, lots of observing! (Elias laughs) It’s so funny, Elias, because I was thinking about my intent and how you had asked people previously in group to come with an intent name? (1)

ELIAS: Yes?

PAT: The only name I keep coming up with is like a voyeur, but that’s in a sexual context usually. I don’t mean it in that context but more in line with how I love to look at and participate with people and look at how they do things, how they create differently than I do, and how I use that for my own acceptance and becoming, you know? So just now, when you’re telling me I’m observing essence again, I think wow, I guess that’s part of that intent. I like to do that observing thing, huh?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: Interesting! I want to ask about my present-day focus who’s a clown in Cirque du Soleil. When I went to Cirque du Soleil this summer, the very first clown who came out was dressed in a yellow leotard and tights and he was wearing a turquoise tutu. Was that my present-day focus? (Pause)

ELIAS: No.

PAT: Was it the imagery of the yellow leotard and tights, because I associate that with Vold?

ELIAS: I am understanding your association and the imagery that you presented to yourself, which was purposeful in offering yourself a signal that that individual participates in that company – but not that particular individual.

PAT: I found it really funny, too, because he was wearing a turquoise tutu and my essence name is, of course, Ling-Tu, which is T-U and the word tutu is two of those! (Elias laughs) It just was so funny to me! (Laughs) I just find that really funny.

My brother, Tom, who we spoke about, Greshen, he holds a focus also in Cirque du Soleil, correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: Because he loves it as well as I do, and his wife, Lisa. May I have her essence name, too, please – Tom’s wife, Lisa? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Xyllith, X-Y-L-L-I-T-H (ZIL lith).

PAT: Oh, cool! Does she share a focus in Cirque du Soleil also?

ELIAS: No.

PAT: She just loves it because it’s so much fun!

Another member of this group, Rene/Lanntyn, he was told his essence color was turquoise, which is mine. He’s very much attracted to Cirque du Soleil also. Now, my question is, is our sharing that essence color a result of fragmentation?

ELIAS: No.

PAT: Why do we have the same essence color?

ELIAS: Many individuals, in your terms, express the same color as it is translated in association with your physical reality. This is not to say that the vibrational quality is...

PAT: Exactly the same.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: Okay, I understand that. He’s very much attracted to Cirque du Soleil also. Does he hold a present time framework focus who is participating in that group also?

ELIAS: No, counterpart action.

PAT: My sister Carrie disengaged this summer suddenly of a brain aneurysm, and then my friend Jonna, whom I spoke with you about in April, essence name Caedele, disengaged two weeks after she did.

Now, my question about this is, in April I spoke to you about accessing the energy of my father, who had disengaged in 1980, and how real that was, how I made that connection with him in energy. My question is, did I do that at that time purposely in preparation for the disengagement of both of these people, my sister and Jonna?

ELIAS: No, but it has been helpful.

PAT: Oh, it’s been wonderful! Because I have not experienced as much trauma about either of those individual’s deaths as the other people in my family. I thought it was because I had had that interaction with my father...

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: ...as a means of allowing myself the recognition that just because a person has disengaged, they’re not gone and that I still have contact and I still hold the ability to have a relationship with them.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: One of the interesting things when both my sister disengaged and Jonna, I noticed during that time framework that I looked at how I judge death. I judge certain deaths as a good death and others as a bad death.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: So it was a way for me to look at my beliefs around disengaging also?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: And the duplicity of the judgment of good and bad?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: Because my sister, man, it was effortless. It was done and very sudden. Whereas Jonna participated in cancer and lots of treatment, many chemotherapies and things of that nature. I also cried more about his death than my sister’s. My husband asked me if it was because he was a child and I thought he hadn’t lived long enough. I said no, but I knew that I was crying over the fact that I was identifying more with his mother and the loss of a child and the fear of that and how that feels, how deeply we tend to feel those kinds of things through our beliefs systems. Is that true?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: Now, I had this glimpse of a probability of winning the Staff Service in Excellence Award, and I knew that. At the time, I remember thinking it was mine if I wanted to choose it. Then I did not choose that. I think that – tell me if I’m reading myself correctly in this – that the reason that I did not choose that was due to my own judgment of the fact that I knew I would stand up to receive that award and I would be emotional and cry, and that I judge that as being an unacceptable display in this professional setting.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: That’s why I would not allow myself to have that, correct?

ELIAS: In association with your judgment of yourself in relation to exposure.

PAT: The other thing, though, is at the same time I was aware of the fact that having received the nomination from five people was also a wonderful recognition and that that was acceptable to me.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: The recognition of my work was important. The monetary value is a whole other thing and has to do with my own issues with money! Which, damn it, I wish I’d get over that! (Elias laughs) Anyway, that’s how I was reading it. I thought it was something that I felt would be judged as inappropriate in this professional setting and to be exposed that way.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: It was my own judgment of that, right?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: Susan/Catherine who moved here from California, who I’m so excited about, you spoke with her on Thursday. I’ve been longing to understand more the expression of myself as a focus of the Vold essence family, and I think that one of the reasons that I am having this relationship with Susan is because she is aligned Vold and she and I express SO very differently. Is that my reason for the relationship with Susan, one of the reasons?

ELIAS: One of the reasons, yes.

PAT: For me to view how we do that differently?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: Because I’ve been looking a whole lot at how we are gloriously different, all of us, everybody here in physical focus in this dimension, yet we hold so many things more in similarity.

ELIAS: Correct!

PAT: So I’ve been giving myself a lot of imagery of that.

ELIAS: Correct, for this also offers you the opportunity to view your uniqueness and to appreciate that uniqueness rather than discount it.

PAT: And I think I’m very good at that. I feel like I hold a really good appreciation of myself and really like myself. (Elias laughs) I also think I judge myself harshly in certain areas, which we’ll be getting to shortly in this conversation!

I want to ask you, I had this dream where I am at work with my friend Jerry, who does not work here but he happened to be here with me. My office is on the fifth floor of the School of Public Health and we were working at my computer. All of a sudden, I look out the window and there is a green and white striped cat with gossamer wings that flies up to the window and lands on the window ledge, looking at Jerry and me. All of a sudden it proceeds to walk through the pane of glass, jumps down onto the computer table, jumps onto the floor and then kind of slinks away. And Jerry and I are just amazed that this cat was able to walk through the window! So then we start looking for the cat so the cat can tell us how he did that. That was my dream.

My feeling about that, Elias, is first of all neither Jerry or I thought it was odd at all that the cat was green and white striped and had wings and could fly up to the window. We didn’t find that unusual at all! But the fact that it could walk through the glass was just stunning to us and we went off looking for it so that it could tell us how it did that, which wasn’t strange to us at all that the cat could talk and tell us that! (Elias chuckles)

So, my take on what this dream means is that it is a way in which I am showing myself how that is possible for me also, that what I think of as solid form is not and that the cat almost had to be green and white striped with wings for me to pay attention to it, that I might not have paid attention if it were a regular cat outside a window sill. Also, the fact that Jerry was with me – he is someone that I really trust a whole lot – so I think that it has something to do with trusting myself...

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: ...and safety. I get kind of confused about it! So can you talk to me about that?

ELIAS: It is imagery that you offer to yourself concerning familiarity and trust and impossibility. In this, you present to yourself an unfamiliar image of the creature but it seems familiar and natural to you, which is the imagery of generating familiarity in unfamiliar expressions in shifting. You also, as you are aware, have presented to yourself imagery concerning your own expression of trust of yourself. In trusting yourself, you may create what appears to be impossible, but it is not.

PAT: It sure was funny to me. It didn’t escape my notice when I woke up that the cat also had wings that I associate very much with a dragonfly, the way dragonfly wings look, which was really interesting to me.

Now, my daughter, Ashley/Percie, and I, we are getting matching dragonfly tattoos. I didn’t know why ... well, first of all, I think, as we talked about, it’s my love of the imagery of dragonflies, that that is meaningful for me. She also loves them. Is it the same thing, that love of balance?

ELIAS: Very similar, yes.

PAT: And she and I doing so together is like a statement of our connectedness to one another, correct?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: I kinda thought that.

Shall we talk about Rachel, my daughter Rachel, essence name Vanessa? Boy, she sure gives me a run for my money! (Elias laughs) Oh, man, Elias! (Very emotionally) It makes me emotional because it’s one of the ways I judge myself. I feel like sometimes I’m mean to her, because, man, she pushes so many of my buttons around control and parental authority and personal responsibility.

ELIAS: A wondrous reflection, is she not?

PAT: Oh, my god, it’s unbelievable! I think she is also an incredible reflection for me because she is so powerful and she knows herself as that. I think that it’s showing me that I was also powerful like that as a young child and that I knew that then, that I knew myself to hold power then.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: That’s true?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: Man, she feels so much of her own power, doesn’t she?

ELIAS: Quite!

PAT: It is like the reflection of that feeling that I hold of my recognition of my own power, which you and I have talked about before.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; also recognize, my friend, these small ones, as I have stated previously, are manifest in the objective movement of this shift. Therefore, they are generating quite a different expression of themselves than has been in the officially accepted mass beliefs previously, which challenges the roles within the family unit. For these small ones are manifest knowing their power.

PAT: She is so expressive of that! She rams that home to me on a daily basis.

ELIAS: And not merely do they express this knowing of their own power, but they are quite directed and they are unwilling to allow other individuals to be directing of them, for they are quite aware that they are creating their reality and that they are directing it.

PAT: Right! She will keep up even to her own detriment, and by that I mean if I spank her or I shout at her or whatever. It doesn’t matter! It’s like it just doesn’t matter to her, she’s just going to do what she’s going to do.

ELIAS: Correct!

PAT: This is such a conflict for me at times because, number one, I do recognize that I have issues of the power and control thing, holding beliefs as the mother, the parent, and society also, holding the mass belief that I am supposed to be able to control.

ELIAS: And be the authority.

PAT: And be the authority figure.

ELIAS: But look to this action, my friend, and look to yourself. What do you generate? You generate considerable conflict in relation to this small one.

PAT: Yes, because at the same time I am just narrowing my choices when I behave that way.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: I’m not allowing myself to recognize I hold my own choices, either.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: I mean, I am aware of that, I just don’t... The good news is she – I was going to say the bad news is I don’t know how to stop doing that – the good news is that she keeps showing me and giving me many opportunities to learn it and practice, you know? That doesn’t mean that it’s not conflict for me or traumatic.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

PAT: (Very emotionally) Then I judge myself harshly if I choose to be mean, you know?

ELIAS: Let me express to you my friend, do not be so very judgmental of yourself. They are merely choices of expressions in a moment, and they are expressions of frustration and of your challenge that you are experiencing in shifting and changing your perception and paying attention to yourself. These are unfamiliar actions.

In this, let me express encouragement to you rather than judgment, for you are offering yourself an opportunity to be interactive with an individual that is already in many expressions shifted. In this, you offer yourself the opportunity to view, to examine, to evaluate and to experience your own shifting and paying more attention to yourself.

Also let me express to you, it is the choice of the other individual, this small one, how they configure that energy and how she shall translate that energy. Be assured, she is as knowing of herself as you perceive her to be. Therefore, she is also aware of your challenges and is not receiving that energy and discounting herself.

PAT: Because, see I’ve worried about that, am I damaging her...

ELIAS: No.

PAT: ...through not being a loving mom or being cruel?

ELIAS: I may express to you, you are not expressing cruelty.

PAT: (Emotionally) It feels that way sometimes, Elias.

ELIAS: This is your judgment to yourself. In this, attempt to allow yourself permission to view this reality through a different perception, recognizing that this small one expresses tremendous strength and also incorporates a strong awareness of self and a clear familiarity of self, and a knowing of how to be manipulating energy.

PAT: Yeah, I know she does, boy! I tell people she not only pushes my buttons, she leans on them. It’s not a mere pushing, she likes to lean on it. I do recognize that she and I both are participating. Our choice of this relationship is beneficial for both of us and that it’s a purposeful participation...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: ...because of what we are allowing one another to see through these experiences, recognize, view. You know, sometimes when I hold more of a trust of myself and I hold more clarity, I can see that and not judge myself so harshly, I think.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But also recognize that you are perceiving that, in your terms, she is pushing your buttons, so to speak...

PAT: But it’s me pushing my buttons?

ELIAS: No, what I am expressing to you is that she is merely expressing herself and offering herself the freedom to express her energy in the manner in which she chooses and not allowing any other individual to be directing of her choices, for they are HER choices.

In this, she is equally aware of how to be manipulating energy within herself in relation to the interactions that occur between herself and other individuals, yourself included, in which her ability or her knowing objectively of her ability to manipulate energy within herself affords her the expression of receiving your energy but not configuring your energy in the manner that YOU receive her energy. She does not personalize your expressions.

PAT: Yeah, she seems to not care! It seems to just roll right off of her!

ELIAS: Correct, for she is quite aware that these are your expressions. She is aware of how to manipulate that energy in receiving it within herself, not discount herself, and recognizes that this is your expression of energy and that she incorporates the ability to receive and perceive it in whatever manner she chooses.

PAT: She’s so different from Dylan, my son. He seems to personalize everything.

ELIAS: Which is more of a reflection of you. Therefore, you offer to yourself two clear examples of what you do and what you hold in potential.

PAT: Interesting. I’ll have to ponder that. Yes, it shows me choices, doesn’t it?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: Right here in my house, I hold the example that I hold choice.

ELIAS: Correct. In this, you may also recognize that you do incorporate the choice of how you shall be interactive with this small one. Regardless of what energy and what expressions and what behaviors she chooses, you also incorporate choice of how to be or not be responsive. In this, it is a matter of paying attention to YOU and what YOU want, not what you want from her.

PAT: Yes, not what I want them to do.

ELIAS: Correct – but what YOU want to express and generate in action.

PAT: Hmm. I’ll ponder that for a while, I think. (Elias chuckles) It also holds a certain element of excitement. She’s not boring, that’s for sure.

ELIAS: Which offers you the opportunity to practice in relaxing and allowing and accepting, rather than attempting to be instructing and directing.

PAT: Yes, I get that. It’s a hard thing not to do, though. In my perception, it seems like it’s a hard thing to do.

ELIAS: Let me offer you a simple example. Hypothetically, let us create a scenario in which you may be interactive with this small one and you may be simply expressing to her, “We are engaging an activity outside, and therefore I wish you to be placing your shoes upon your feet. For we shall be moving outside, and you should be incorporating your shoes for it is cold and snowy outside.”

Now; the response may be, for she is not wishing to be directed, “No, I wish not to place my shoes upon my feet.”

Now; your automatic response, generally, in this hypothetical situation, would be to begin engaging argumentativeness with this small one and the situation shall escalate and you shall be generating a conflict.

Now; in this hypothetical scenario, rather than generating the automatic response of expressing argument, you may look to yourself and inquire of yourself what YOU want, turn your attention and therefore alter your perception, and perhaps express, “Very well, do not place your shoes upon your feet. I am moving outside to be incorporating fun in the snow.” And if she emerges behind you with no shoes, it is not your responsibility to be responsive, for this is her choice and she shall soon recognize that she may be generating uncomfortableness with no shoes in the snow.

PAT: You know, this happened just yesterday, where I said to her – she was going outside because she loves to be outside – and I said, “Put a hat on,” and she said, “No, I don’t wanna wear a hat.” I said, “Put a hat on,” and she said, “Why?” I said, “Because it’s cold outside!” and she said, “I’m not cold!” And I went, “Well, okay.” You know, I recognized at that moment that I would be cold outside...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: ...and so why don’t I just put a hat on if that’s the case! If she’s not cold, she’s just not cold...

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: ...and I shouldn’t care!

ELIAS: It is her choice.

PAT: Right! Like I had this experience with her this summer. I was sitting in the living room doing some artwork and stuff like that, and I thought I haven’t heard from Rachel in a long time; I should get up and go see what she’s doing. I got up and I went to look out the window into the backyard, and she had pulled her bathing suit down and was peeing in the grass. I threw the window open and I said, “Hey! What are you doing? Don’t pee in the grass. You’re not supposed to pee in the grass! Come in the house and go to the bathroom!” Then it all of a sudden occurred to me that if I hadn’t gotten up in that particular moment, I wouldn’t have even know if she had peed in the grass. It would have already been done, so it doesn’t matter! You know what I mean? It just mattered to me because I happened to look out then.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) I am aware.

PAT: As I realized that, I said to her, “You know what, never mind. Go ahead and pee in the grass.” Because I realized it just happened to be that I was looking at that time. I mean, she doesn’t pee in the grass all the time ... you know what I mean?

ELIAS: I am aware.

PAT: It was actually just because I happened to look out then that it was happening, right? Because I was trying to give myself that information.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: Now, let me ask you this. Is that indicative of my paying attention in the moment that it was me, not her...

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: ...and that it was okay, that I need to be paying attention to myself and that that’s just my perception?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: Sometimes I’m not sure – I said this to Susan – I’m not sure that I’m always paying attention to myself in the moment.

ELIAS: And I may assure you, you are not! (Both laugh)

PAT: Well, I know that! But I’m hoping that I’m moving more towards the recognition of when I am and when I’m not, and that that’s not so unclear to me.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: It’s tricky! (Elias chuckles) I told Susan, sometimes I’ll be doing something like beading a bracelet or something like that, and I think that’s why I’m actually being quiet and paying attention to myself. But at the same time, I’m aware of the fact that my thoughts can be a million miles away. So am I really in the moment, paying attention to myself?

ELIAS: Are you?

PAT: No, I’m not.

ELIAS: No, correct. Ha ha ha!

PAT: May I ask this question also? What is my relationship to the artist, Erté?

ELIAS: Friend.

PAT: Friend in that I have a present time framework focus that’s a friend of his or that I have held a focus that’s a friend of his?

ELIAS: Have held.

PAT: Is my love of beads and color, is that influenced by my observing essence to Faberge or is it just because I love the color and I love the feel of that?

ELIAS: This is an expression of preference in this focus. It offers you an expression of pleasure, visually. But it also offers you a time framework in which you incorporate this action as an expression of relaxation, offering yourself a time framework in which you may be incorporating a presence with yourself.

PAT: Oh, yeah, because I like that! I’m always saying that there’s never enough time for me to do that. I think I may work on creating that for myself. I herniated a disc in my back in October, early October, and I very clearly saw that as I had been telling myself that I wanted to take time off work, that I wanted time for me where I’m not working, where I’m not being a mom, I saw it clearly as having issues around personal responsibility and wanting to give myself permission to not have any of that but just to be with myself.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: I kept putting myself off, putting myself off, putting myself off, saying, “Well, I’ll do it, I’ll take the time when I’m done with this at work or when I’m done with this with the children or when I’ve attended to this with my husband or this, this, this.” Then all of a sudden, in a blink of an eye... Because, of course, that’s how you create it. (Elias laughs) I’m aware of it. In a blink of an eye, man, I had this herniated disc and was in bed for six days in pain. That really pissed me off, because I saw that I would not give myself permission to do that, take that time for me, but I actually did finally do it but I had to do it with punishment and pain.

ELIAS: And an excuse.

PAT: Right. I mean, that’s how I created that?

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: What really made me mad, Elias, is that I didn’t get to do anything fun that I wanted to do! (Elias laughs) I should have just given myself the time!

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: So while it hurt like hell, it was valuable information. Now if I can only remember and not have to do that again!

ELIAS: I am quite understanding.

PAT: Yeah, I didn’t like that! I mean, I could see where it was beneficial, but darn! It sure wasn’t fun!

ELIAS: Not all expressions that are beneficial are comfortable.

PAT: No, but I want ‘em to be! (Elias laughs) I want to create that more versus doing it the uncomfortable way, because the uncomfortable way seems to be automatic bullshit to me – automatic response versus giving myself permission to just do that.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

PAT: My friend Gail, essence name Minnie, she had has created a considerable amount of psychological trauma, if you will, and conflict in her focus. I went to her office one day and she said, “Close the door,” and I did. She said, “You’re gonna think I’m crazy but...” and I said, “Okay, I make telephone calls to a dead guy, so there’s not much that I find crazy!” (Elias laughs) And she said, “What do you mean?” and I told her all about my relationship with you and my participation in this material, and it has really piqued her interest. Later she said to me, “I think you saved my life. I’ve always thought that I was crazy.”

So I told her that when I talked to you today – because I’m going to let her listen to my tape – can you please say something specifically to her, because I know she’s not crazy. I actually think she’s really creative! But I think she discounts that about herself, maybe. I don’t even know what I’m looking for from you here, Elias – something for Gail, because I love her.

ELIAS: I may express to you, first of all, that you may offer my invitation to this individual to be engaging conversation with myself, and I shall be quite welcoming of that interaction. Also, I may express that some of the confusion that is being experienced is associated with orientation.

PAT: She’s intermediate?

ELIAS: Soft, and with not quite an objective understanding of that orientation and a continuous comparison of self with other individuals that express different orientations.

PAT: Yes, mostly common.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAT: I was thinking about this because she gave herself a little bit of a psychological trauma, where she ended up having an encounter with the medical community around that. I have always recognized that the world basically is made up of many round people who fit in round holes, and I’ve always recognized myself as kind of a square peg and there aren’t as many square pegs as there are round pegs. There are square holes for us square pegs also.

The difference in Gail and I is I recognize myself as a square peg and I’m okay with being a square peg. I felt like Gail recognizes herself as a square peg but wants to be a round peg because it’s easier.

ELIAS: Not necessarily for the reason that it is easier, but within her perception it appears to be the norm and therefore better. This is a very common expression within individuals that do not express the common orientation, for they generate tremendous comparisons.

PAT: So if she and I are both soft orientation, why do I find it slightly easier? I mean, I think I find it a bit easier.

ELIAS: You have offered yourself information and have allowed yourself to be accepting of that aspect of yourself and that choice and that manner of perception. This individual does not incorporate the same objective information and therefore generates a discounting of self in this continuous comparison.

PAT: Yeah, I dig her. I enjoy her company very much. She stimulates me in a creative way, too, I think. I think both of us belonging to Sumari, there’s a certain level of artistic creativity that we both enjoy very much.

ELIAS: Yes.

PAT: Well, my thanks to you. I certainly don’t want to tax Michael, and it has been an hour. Thank you so much! I love you!

ELIAS: And I express the same to you, my friend. I shall be anticipating our next meeting, and I shall be in the interim time framework available to you and offering you encouragement in your continuation of your challenges! (Laughs)

PAT: (Emotionally) Thank you. I appreciate that very much. I have been aware of you.

ELIAS: I shall also be expressing my energy in playfulness with you.

PAT: I haven’t been giving myself as much of that as I enjoy usually.

ELIAS: Remember your fun! You are quite worthy of it! (Chuckles)

PAT: Well, thank you so much. And I know it, I just choose to not focus on that at certain times and do that whole stupid thing of having to... Somehow, I can’t learn it if it’s fun. I gotta learn it if it’s hard, the conflict and all that. It’s kind of boring to me, so I guess when I get bored enough with it I’ll do something different!

ELIAS: And choose fun!

PAT: Yes, I hope so. Anyway, thank you very much. It’s been wonderful!

ELIAS: Very well. Remember not to be expressing responsibility for other individuals, merely for yourself.

PAT: Well, thank you for that. I will work on that. Thank you.

ELIAS: Very well. In great affection, my friend...

PAT: Thank you so much. I love you.

ELIAS: ...au revoir.

PAT: Goodbye.

Elias departs at 12:53 PM.

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