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Wednesday, September 17, 2003

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ďQuestions About the Energy ExchangeĒ

ďBeliefs versus What You BelieveĒ

ďAgnosticism as a TruthĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Don (Allard).

Elias arrives at 9:25 AM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

DON: Hi, Elias! (Elias laughs) I have a lot of questions in my mind today and itís hard to formulate any of them. (Elias chuckles) Iíll see what I can do.

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: Iíve become more curious about the phenomenon of the energy exchange that allows me to interact with you objectively like this. A small question first Ė I wonder, can you be offended during a session, this particular aspect of yourself?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! No!

DON: But you can be amused.

ELIAS: That is an expression that I incorporate to allow a comfortable interaction with each of you, and to also be expressing in a manner that you understand.

DON: I know youíve talked about in other sessions, and we have a little bit, about your using an aspect that is able to incorporate emotion to facilitate our understanding.

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: Iím wondering if that, in your estimation, leads to any more distortion of your material than if you were using that aspect which did not incorporate emotion.

ELIAS: No. In actuality, it facilitates understanding with each of you. It facilitates your assimilation, for it is an expression that is familiar to you. This allows you to engage your inner senses also in conjunction with the information.

DON: Oh, is that right? Because itís more familiar we naturally allow ourselves more?


DON: Iím curious about the role of the other essences involved in this energy exchange. Iíve read that youíve spoken of a session as being a mergence between yourself and Michael. I wonder, are all thirteen of you merged during this session, say? Thirteen, including the twelve of you and Michael.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, although the energy that I project in association with Michael is the strongest.

DON: Do they each have specific roles that they play, or is it all just a matter of lending energy?

ELIAS: It is a matter of offering a supportiveness in energy.

DON: I discussed with you one time a mergence I had with Jene, where I felt that I could, while I was in normal waking consciousness, I felt that I could translate her energy, the energy that I received, into words, and did for a couple of sentences. Would you call this an energy exchange, even though obviously itís much different than what happens with you and Michael?

ELIAS: Yes, it is a type of energy exchange.

DON: Qualitatively different, then, and not just a matter of degree Ė not just that itís not as strong as what you and Michael are doing.

ELIAS: Correct. It is a different type of energy exchange, but nonetheless an exchange. I may express to you that all of you engage that action as a natural movement. You all engage energy exchanges with each other, and in this, you offer yourselves experiences and communications and interactions with each other in association with what each of you are projecting in energy.

DON: So though you use the term ďenergy exchangeĒ to describe the phenomenon of your interaction with us in these sessions, itís really a very general term. This is just one type that youíre engaging in.

ELIAS: Correct. The reason that I express that type of terminology in explanation of this phenomenon is that it is a different action than is commonly identified as channeling. For the most part, individuals that incorporate this action that you term to be channeling, what they are engaging is precisely that Ė they are channeling different energies and different aspects of their own essence.

DON: I see. If they were doing that with the energies or aspects of another essence, you would call it a type of energy exchange.

ELIAS: Correct, for that is an exchange between more than one essence.

DON: There was something in the transcripts a while ago where Ė I donít have the details down Ė but there was a slight distortion introduced. I think it was another focus of Myranda, other than Anji. Family alignment and belonging were given reversed from what they actually are. You said in explanation that it was due to the excitement on the part of the person that was having the session. (1)

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: Her energy... I didnít quite understand. Did it interfere somehow?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, which may occur, although quite infrequently. But at times an individual may interfere with the exchange that is occurring with the energy as it is being projected through Michael.

Now; do not misunderstand. This is not an interference of Michael, and there is no energy that Michael is introducing in relation to the energy exchange that is interfering. But in filtering energy through layers of consciousness and into the physical expression through Michael, the energy may be interrupted at times. This occurs in several different manners.

At times it may be interrupting with the electrical energy in the physical proximity, and in that, it may be affecting of the functioning of electrical equipment, or an individualís energy may be being expressed strongly and it may affect the recording of the actual conversation, or it may affect whether the individual allows a reception or not. At times, dependent upon the strength of the energy that the individual is expressing and projecting, it may interfere with what you would term to be my transmission.

This has occurred in very few situations, but I may express that it has occurred on occasion. In this, I offer correction to qualify and to ensure that the information has been offered correctly and to eliminate the distortion.

DON: I had a figure in my head of the number of times that this has occurred in my sessions with you. But from what youíre saying, you would say it has not occurred at all in my sessions?

ELIAS: No. I shall correct if a distortion of that type occurs. I may offer an example that you may be aware of. In one conversation with Giselle, a question was offered as to an identification of a focus of another individual, which I responded to in relation to the energy that was being projected. In this, I offered a response concerning a different individual than what she was asking for, which I subsequently corrected and offered a similar explanation as to that of the other focus of Myranda.

And in that particular interaction that we engaged, in that particular time framework, her energy was quite strongly being expressed for other reasons, not in association with excitement. But I do express explanation in moments in which there may be a distortion of the information.

DON: Well, letís see. I donít really know how to address this next question or how to frame it. I guess Iíll start by saying I have, I think, by nature a fairly skeptical mind. For the first part of my life I was raised agnostic and was taught and believed that the universe was essentially random, chaotic, had no purpose and that there was no more to it, really, than what we could perceive either with our senses or instruments that we could devise with our senses.

I find that recently Iíve started returning to that. Iím kind of surprised by it, but Iíve been finding myself dissatisfied with... well, let me rephrase that. Iíll try to make it simple. I find that thereís a part of me that doesnít believe Ė and Iím speaking of ďbelieveĒ in terms of whether I quote ďbelieveĒ it is true, as in one believes in a religious precept Ė I find thereís a part of me that doesnít believe that thereís a shift, that doesnít believe that I create my own reality at all, and I could go on and on. First, I wonder if you have any comments on that Ė probably not, because I havenít asked a question yet.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Ah, you are assuming!

DON: Yes! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I may express to you that this is, in actuality, not unusual. Remember, you are participating in this wave addressing to truths, and in this, you are addressing to your truths. It is not merely a matter of intellectually recognizing what your truths are or thinking of your truths, but also addressing to them, and therefore experiencing different influences of your truths.

DON: Yeah, I got a kick out of one thing you said. I think it was in the group session in Germany. You said, ďQuestioning is beginning.Ē I thought, well, for me it is and itís starting with you! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: Ah, and therefore you inquire as to whether I may be offended or not! (Both laugh)

DON: Yes! (Laughing)

ELIAS: I may express to you, my friend, with myself it matters not what you believe. It matters not with me whether you believe that I am real or whether you believe any of the information that I offer to you, for I am merely responding to what you are requesting.

Therefore, in this, I do not incorporate the beliefs that you incorporate in relation to investment and that if you invest yourself in a particular expression and it is not expressed in conjunction with what you believe that you shall incorporate loss. I do not incorporate those beliefs. Therefore, there is no investment; there is merely responsiveness.

DON: One thing Iíve noticed in myself, I think, is that... Well, let me just say first that thereís a part of me that has almost fallen completely back to what I might call a rationalist/materialist point of view of the universe and of existence. Yet I can feel that somewhere, aside from my thoughts, there are certain portions, at least, of the information that youíve presented and similar information that Iíve picked up elsewhere that, regardless of my thoughts, I feel like Iím still in actuality acting and choosing in line with.

Iíve wondered if Iím not looking at and changing what I believe is true to actually facilitate my doing. Because as I say, I feel like a part of me aside from my thoughts is still choosing and doing as if there were a shift and then trying to achieve more acceptance of my beliefs.

ELIAS: Correct!

DON: And by changing what in my thoughts I believe is true, Iím no longer holding the same expectations of myself to try to do it right. So Iíve thought that itís very purposeful, but Iím not sure. What do you have to say about it?

ELIAS: I may express to you a validation; you are correct. Addressing to truths may be challenging, and at times you may perceive yourself to not be moving. But that in itself is another expression of these truths, for it is not true. (Laughs) In this, you continue to engage conversation with myself although you express that you are unsure of whether you believe that I am actually real. But you engage conversation with what you think you believe is not real.

This is a strong point, my friend. This is what I have been speaking to all of you concerning for a considerable time framework now in paying attention to what you are actually doing and what you are actually choosing, and recognizing what you are expressing as evidence of your concentration, your attention and your beliefs. This also allows you to recognize the influences of your beliefs.

Now; it also is offering you the opportunity to recognize the difference between what you express as beliefs, and what you believe or do not believe. When you express that you believe some expression or manifestation or that you do not believe, that is an opinion. That is not necessarily an identification of beliefs. It is associated with thought and the translation of preferences and opinions, but it is not necessarily an accurate assessment of beliefs.

Many individuals in this time framework, in association with the movement of this shift in consciousness, express that they do not believe in religious concepts, that they have previously but they do not incorporate those beliefs any longer.

Now; this is also an expression of individualís truths, and they are not true. The individuals DO incorporate religious beliefs. They merely express an opinion that they do not agree with established religion and the doctrines of the religions or the expressions or the expectations of them. But this is not to say that they do not incorporate religious beliefs, for they do, and they are expressed.

What you are allowing yourself is precisely the point, to be not merely intellectually incorporating thought processes concerning these concepts but to be generating experiences that move you into a clearer identification of your individual truths and what the difference is between beliefs and what you believe.

DON: Yes, I see what you mean. Since I first encountered the transcripts, and then shortly thereafter had a session with you, Iíve been holding to the opinion that I not only believe that you are real but that there are such things as essence, that there is something more to me than just my neurological system and my body. Yet, I think this whole time Iíve actually been expressing the beliefs that these things are not so. Iím just now becoming aware of the fact that I am actually expressing these other beliefs despite what opinion Iíve been holding in my thoughts.

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: I notice for example that Ė and I think that this is a good example to me that thoughts donít create Ė my thoughts of what I profess to what opinions I hold I could say are radically different. Yet my life, or the events in it, donít seem to have changed at all. In fact, they have changed to some degree and itís been an improvement. Somehow by seeing these truths Iíve been holding invisibly, I feel a lot freer. I feel like my energy is flowing more freely, despite the fact that I now profess I donít believe in this or donít believe in that.

ELIAS: And in this, if you allow yourself the flexibility to be recognizing the influence of the expressed beliefs, you may begin to recognize that there are certain elements, certain influences, of each of them that do move in association with your preferences. But there are also influences that limit you and that do not allow you to accomplish in the freedom that you want.

But this is the powerfulness of this particular wave and addressing to this particular belief system of truths. For in this, as you begin to genuinely allow yourself to recognize what your truths are, you may generate a balance between those beliefs that are also expressed that may not be your truths but are expressed beliefs. Those are the beliefs that generate your opinion and your expression of what you believe or do not believe, for those are the beliefs that are your preferences.

Now; your preferences at times may be aspects of a belief that is a truth to you. But at times, they may be other expressed beliefs that are not necessarily generated in absolute and therefore have not become your truth. Are you understanding?

DON: Yes, I think so.

ELIAS: You incorporate many beliefs that are influencing of all that you do. Some of the beliefs are generated in absolute and therefore become your truths. Other beliefs may be strongly expressed, but not solidified in an absolute within your perception. Therefore, they may be influencing and they may be associated with your preferences, but not actually generated as one of your truths.

What you are presenting to yourself is an expression of both expressed beliefs that are in association with your preferences with what you believe or what you express in opinion, and expressed beliefs that have become truths, which is also what you believe but in a different manner, for it is a truth. Therefore, it appears stronger or it appears more real, for it is your truth.

DON: Would you call, for lack of a better word my agnosticism, would you call that a truth of mine or a preference? Something I believe is true, or at times both?

ELIAS: For the most part, within you it is a truth.

Now; understand that a truth may be strongly expressed and it may incorporate many different influences, but in actuality, it is not true. Therefore you are not bound to it or destined to incorporate it or fated to it, and in this, you are also not a victim of it.

DON: I was just thinking, Iíve generated a lot of evidence of what youíre saying, I think. Even before this wave addressing to the belief system of truth started, I can look back through the sessions Iíve had with you, and though theyíre subtle, from the very first question practically that I posed to you asking about my intent, Iíve generated through you some real evidence that you were reading my energy in one fashion or another...

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: ...which is contrary to that truth of mine. So, in effect, I have and do generate imagery for myself that is contrary to these truths of agnosticism that I hold.

ELIAS: Correct, but you also are offering yourself evidence now of the strength of the influences of beliefs that become truths. For regardless of the evidence that you offer to yourself to present to yourself that your truth is not true, it continues to be expressed.

This is also significant, my friend, for what you are also presenting to yourself experientially, which generates reality rather than concept, is the recognition now of not eliminating beliefs but recognizing that they continue to be and they may continue to be expressed. It is not a matter of attempting to eliminate them or to view them as bad and the enemy, but rather to recognize that it is an influence and that ultimately you choose which influences you allow, and you generate your perception, which creates your actual physical reality.

In this, as you begin to recognize experientially in reality these concepts and recognize the influences and the strength of the influences of your beliefs and the obvious evidence to the contrary of your beliefs, you begin to genuinely allow yourself a real expression of freedom, for you begin to allow yourself a real expression of playfulness rather than the seriousness in the black and white of what is and what is not.

DON: Yeah, I think I can sense that. Through this recent examination and not trying to eliminate these beliefs that Iíve held all this time in agnosticism, even though one could say Iíve taken many steps backwards, it in fact feels like Iíve taken a tiny step forward. That almost for the first time since Iíve been having sessions with you feels real, and I feel like thatís why I feel so much more energy...


DON: this recent examination, because what I do... I donít know how to put it. What little I feel like Iíve done, for the first time it feels real, in a way. Does that make any sense?

ELIAS: Quite! And I shall acknowledge you in what you are not acknowledging yourself, that you actually have generated quite a significant movement, although you view yourself not to be generating much movement.

These concepts Ė and I may not reiterate this enough Ė are very unfamiliar. This type of movement has not been generated within your physical reality ever before within your history. Understand that although you are you and you incorporate your own identity of yourself in this physical manifestation, you are also all of your other focuses, for you are essence. Therefore, all of those focuses that you incorporate in past time frameworks which have not experienced this shift in consciousness and are not generating movement in that direction, they continue to express in the familiarity of what you are changing now.

In that, as I have expressed many, many times previously, all of the focuses influence each other. You all are attentions of one essence and there is an influence in energy of all of them. Many individuals in this time framework incorporate more focuses that you term to be past than they do in what you term to be future focuses.

Now; there are many individuals that incorporate relatively equal numbers and many that incorporate more future than past; but many individuals that are participating in interaction with myself incorporate more focuses pastly than they do futurely. In this, the greatest influence is the familiar. This is not an accident. This is one of the reasons that you draw yourselves to this information and to the interactions with myself, for it is...

DON: As a final focus, Iíd guess that might even be a stronger influence. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Generally speaking, yes.

DON: I have one question I forgot to ask when I was asking you a little bit more about the mechanics or the nature of the energy exchange.

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: I wondered if Ė not that Iím going to today, even if I could Ė but would it be possible for me to pose a question to you specifically asking that you relay it, say, to Ayla? And then could you translate her answer?

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: No, I just wondered if it were possible. I donít actually have such a question today.

ELIAS: Yes, it is possible.

DON: Okay. Well, I have a couple of very different questions.

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: Is Mr. Ed a translation of a focus of mine somewhere in some dimension?


DON: (Laughs) Of course I ask, even though part of me doesnít believe it!

ELIAS: A loose translation, but yes, a translation. (Both laugh)

DON: Well, Iím happy with that!

I found myself, just last night and the night before, thinking a lot about a musician that died recently, a schizophrenic named Wesley Willis. I have the feeling Ė it may not be correct Ė that I donít have any focuses in roughly this time frame that have been musicians with some notoriety. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: So I think I have some strong counterpart action with Wesley Willis. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Correct.

DON: I can feel so much counterpart action with contemporary musicians. Is there some generalization that you can make about the specific nature of these counterpart actions? I ask because they feel somehow focused to me, as if they do share, roughly and in general, some similar quality.

ELIAS: Yes, and also serve, generally speaking, as an encouragement to you to be allowing yourself to be channeling your own creativity.

DON: It felt that it had something to do with emotion also to me...


DON: ...but I expect that has something to do with expressing emotion through creativity.

ELIAS: And also paying attention to that type of expression as a communication.

DON: Regarding my focus of Bukowski, did Allistar have a focus that has some intimate involvement with Bukowski? (Pause)

ELIAS: A friend.

DON: Male?


DON: And how about Jene? (Pause)

ELIAS: The same.

DON: Do I currently know a focus of the essence that has the focus of Jane Cooney Baker? (Pause)

ELIAS: I shall encourage you to investigate.

DON: Iíll take that as a yes! (Elias laughs) Letís see, we still have just a little time. I think Iíll save this question, though. Well, I donít think I have anything else off the top, Elias.

ELIAS: (Laughs) Now perhaps offer to myself an account of any playful experience you have incorporated recently. Ha ha ha!

DON: I would say first, this one. (Elias laughs) Iíve been thinking about what youíve been saying about playfulness. Youíve been making some cracks about philosophers recently and seekers of the truth, quote unquote. In a way, these things are quite playful to me. (Elias laughs) Would you agree?

ELIAS: In an amusing manner! (Both laugh)

DON: Oh, amusing to you, huh? (Both laugh) Okay, so what have I done thatís playful? My relationship with Sophi, I would say, is constantly playful, and itís probably my main avenue of playfulness these days. Would you agree?

ELIAS: Yes. (Chuckles) But I continue to be encouraging of you to be incorporating MORE playfulness.

DON: Oh, even more, huh?


DON: Okay. (Both laugh) Okay, an experience of playfulness... Oh, youíd have to be there!

ELIAS: Very well Ė I shall incorporate your offer and I shall express my energy in presence with you! (Laughs)

DON: I do have one other short question, I think.

ELIAS: Very well.

DON: Iíve wondered if all of the subtle parlor tricks that you have been incorporating through my sessions were in part, at least, in anticipation of this time when I would really start examining my agnostic beliefs.

ELIAS: Partially.

DON: And partially maybe just because you felt like it?

ELIAS: Partially in association not merely with the agnostic beliefs, but in association with your addressing to truths to allow a facilitation that you may draw upon experiences to be helpful to you and less struggling in this time framework.

DON: Interesting. Well, Iíll say that they have been very helpful. I donít know that Iíd be talking to you without them today.

ELIAS: (Laughs) And the friendship would be missed. Ha ha ha!

DON: Yes, it would. Well, that is all I have today, Elias.

ELIAS: Very well, my friend. As always, I offer my affection and my encouragement to you, and I shall be projecting my energy with you also. (Chuckles)

DON: Thank you.

ELIAS: I anticipate our next conversation, and I encourage you in your exploration. Acknowledge yourself Ė you are worthy of it.

DON: Thank you.

ELIAS: To you in lovingness, my friend, au revoir.

DON: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 10:19 AM.


(1) This situation was discussed in session 958, November 13, 2001.

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