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Friday, August 19, 2005

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ďMoving the Kids OutĒ

ďA Little Bit about EliasĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael), Naomi (Kallile) and Elena (Deena).

(Eliasí arrival time is 18 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good day!

NAOMI: Good afternoon, Elias!

ELENA: Good day! That sounds Australian! (All laugh)

ELIAS: And what shall we discuss?

NAOMI: Well, Elena and I are going to share a session Ė this is Naomi Ė and Iím going to go first with a few questions, and then sheís going to come on with a few questions.

ELIAS: Very well.

NAOMI: First of all, I want to thank you for all the information that you have been giving people lately. There is so much that is useful to me, especially last year when I was deciding whether to leave my job. The things you have said about offering yourselves permission to create what you want was very liberating to me and really helped me a lot. So thank you for that.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

NAOMI: Iím finding that Iím trusting my choices more because of that, so itís been good.

ELIAS: Congratulations!

NAOMI: Itís about time! (Both laugh) I have just a couple short questions about other focus impressions Iíve gotten in the dream state or the semi-dream state. One was, am I an AIDS researcher in Africa? Or where did that impression come from?

ELIAS: You engage counterpart action with an individual that engages that action.

NAOMI: What about the Arab woman in the evacuation? That really felt like a current focus.


NAOMI: Can you tell me where that was?

ELIAS: And your impression?

NAOMI: I have no idea. I was thinking of Iran, but I donít think there are any evacuations going on there. Maybe Afghanistan?


NAOMI: Then the third focus question: am I an observing essence to Carl Sandburg, or maybe that is one of my focuses?

ELIAS: Observing.

NAOMI: Is that lifetime or just partial?

ELIAS: Throughout the focus.

NAOMI: One more general kind of question: what is the ear ringing I get sometimes? I canít make out any pattern about what that is doing.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) In similarity to other individuals that experience this also!

NAOMI: (Laughs) Oh, no! All right, Elena! (1) (All laugh)

I want to ask you a few questions about this relationship and the potential relationship I have with John, and it really leads to some bigger questions on communicating in general. The fact that weíre not really communicating objectively in this timeframe, is that an allowance by both of us to take care of our own business and then also explore our preferences about the relationship subjectively?


NAOMI: That was my impression. So weíre just kind of giving ourselves time.

ELIAS: And what is your assessment of your progress?

NAOMI: I think Iím becoming more accepting of just the allowance of the timeframe. Even within the last few weeks, I think I feel I understand more that itís a potential. Itís not a done deal, so to speak.

ELIAS: Correct. And are you recognizing more of your preferences?

NAOMI: Yes, I am, and I keep the statement you made in New Orleans taped to my computer about how our best choices, so to speak, are what allow us the most freedom. I really understand that I do appreciate my independence a lot and Iím really enjoying that, so Iím okay with whether it actually works out or not.

ELIAS: Ha ha! I am acknowledging of you. It is an opportunity for you to genuinely become familiar with you, and to express your own freedom and to genuinely express your own appreciation of yourself and your own accomplishments without generating obstacles of compromise.

NAOMI: Yes, thatís a big thing to me, Elias. I donít want to compromise my intent, and I want to be able to express my preferences. Sometimes I wonder if Iím almost trying to do that too much, rather than allowing for other people also.

ELIAS: Which in this, remember, it is also important to balance Ė not to compromise and not to acquiesce, but to generate a balance in which you allow for your own freedom and your own expressions and your own preferences, but you also allow for the expressions of other individuals regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

NAOMI: Yes, and I think as I explore my preferences, I think it could really go either way as far as whether we actually materialize a romantic or a life-type relationship. I think I could work with balancing other peoplesí preferences as well as mine, or I could just go on and just express mine, and I realize I havenít made that choice yet.

ELIAS: Yes. But also remember, it is merely a choice. What is significant is that you are becoming more aware of you, and you are becoming more aware of your preferences and therefore generating more clarity. In that clarity, it allows you to move more freely and in more of an expression of comfort with yourself.

NAOMI: I feel like I know more what I have to have to really feel that comfortable. But I just want to ask, even though we are not communicating objectively, I feel that we are communicating a lot subjectively, especially in dreams.


NAOMI: This leads to the bigger question of communications. Was that a quote ďrealĒ experience when he called me up on the phone in my dream the other night, and also the other communications in dreams? Was that a real communication from him?


NAOMI: I thought so. The reason I ask that is because I want to be able to feel those things, but I donít want to delude myself. I donít want to be creating something thatís not there.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But remember also, projections of energy that you may generate subjectively, you yourself or the other individual may not necessarily incorporate a clear objective awareness of those allowances.

NAOMI: Oh, right! I knew that if I told him that he called me up in a dream, he wouldnít have any idea what I was talking about. What about when I woke up, just came out of the dream state, and I felt that he was next to me in bed and just laughing and being playful? Was that a projection of him or was that a projection that I created?

ELIAS: It was an allowance of you to be drawing that energy to yourself, but the energy is quite real.

NAOMI: I feel that it is. Itís not as strong as it used to be, but I still struggle between wanting absolutes and also meanwhile understanding that probabilities are chosen in the moment. But I think Iím getting better at that. Iím trying really hard not to have expectations. (Both laugh)

ELIAS: I am understanding that this is somewhat of a challenge. Expectations are quite familiar, and allowing yourself to not be generating expectations is an unfamiliar action and requires genuinely holding your attention upon yourself.

NAOMI: I keep reminding myself of that. Iím wearing my WWES bracelet, the ďWhat Would Elias Say?Ē bracelet, and I think okay, Elias would just tell me to focus on myself...


NAOMI: I really am trying to do that more.

ELIAS: That is your point of power, my friend. That is what allows you to create whatever you want.

NAOMI: And it feels so much better than having expectations.


NAOMI: Thereís a lot less anxiety associated with that.

ELIAS: Yes, for expectations generate the potential for disappointment. If you are not generating expectations, you are also not generating the potential for disappointment, which allows you to be more directed and to be more objectively intentionally creating what you want.

NAOMI: And who knows, as linear time goes on, who knows what I will choose?

ELIAS: Correct. For in this, preferences also change. As you become more familiar with yourself, some preferences that you may have expressed previously may change. You may express different preferences that are more associated with your natural flow of energy.

NAOMI: I am preparing myself for the potential that I may make another choice. (Elias laughs) Just one more question about John, though. What is the connection here? Itís a very strong connection. I donít really know what essence twins means, but I feel a really, really strong connection there.

ELIAS: You are not essence twins, but you have shared many focuses, which generates a strong familiarity. You have shared many focuses in intimate relationships, and that creates a strong sense of familiarity and interconnectedness.

NAOMI: Yes, it really feels that way.

Iím going to move on to some questions about my oldest son in particular, and then maybe my other sons. First of all, in talking about Ross and where he is right now, I completely understand that he chose this current experience heís in, and I have accepted that, I think itís fine. The only thing I struggle with is the question of whether he was actually using heavy drugs. He has lied to me so much, and I just really would like to know if you could possibly tell me if he was using those. It does have a bearing on how I will treat him.

ELIAS: First of all, express to me more specifically what is your concern, what is your interaction, and what is your motivation in this direction?

NAOMI: My motivation is what it is with all three of my sons, that I want them to experience value fulfillment.

ELIAS: And they are.

NAOMI: The thing is, some of the things they choose are things I really donít want to be around.

ELIAS: I am understanding. It is also another example of becoming aware of your preferences and also recognizing differences.

NAOMI: I think Iím already there, Elias. Itís just that my motivation here is I really want to help Ross Ė you know, the old mother support belief thing. I want to help him do what he wants to do, but I feel like so many of the things Iíve done in the past he has not appreciated, he has not really done anything with. Thatís okay, but I donít know how much to do in the future. I think sometimes that maybe I shouldnít do anything, just let him go.

ELIAS: The significant element in this is, once again, to be paying attention to YOU, and to be recognizing the difference between what you think is helpful with another individual and what is actually helpful. What is actually helpful to another individual is to be expressing an accepting and supportive energy. That does not necessarily require any other action.

In the role of a parent, many individuals become confused, for they express a personal responsibility in association with their children, and this motivates them to be incorporating actions that compromise themselves in order to be helpful to their children. But that is not being helpful. In this, generally speaking, what you actually generate is reinforcing the behaviors and the choices that you disagree with and dislike, for you continue to project energy in that manner. The more you focus upon what you disagree with or what you dislike, and the more you push energy in association with that, the more you encourage it.

NAOMI: Hereís the dilemma for me. Iím getting very familiar with my own preferences, and I think Iím quite familiar with quite a few of his. I do not want him staying with me. I really donít want him here at all. My real dilemma right now is should I really help him get into another place in order to keep him out of here? Thatís what Iíd really like to do, but Iím not sure that that would be beneficial for him or me. Iím not sure it would really work. The only thing I know is I donít want him here, and I donít really know how to deal with that. I donít know what to do about that.

ELIAS: What is being expressed within you that is moving you in this direction of offering to set him in another location?

NAOMI: Because he wouldnít be here, that he...

ELIAS: That is not the question. I am understanding that you do not wish him to continue to reside within your home. But what is motivating you to generate this responsibility to, in your terms, place him in another location?

NAOMI: I guess I feel like he wonít do it unless I do something.

ELIAS: But that is not your responsibility. Your responsibility is to YOU, and to hold to your expression and not to compromise.

Now; let me also express to you, I am expressing these inquiries for a reason, to prompt you to be genuinely evaluating what is occurring within you, for it is not quite as black and white as it may seem. For I am understanding the beliefs that you incorporate as the mother and incorporating that role, and that you do incorporate beliefs concerning personal responsibility with your children and guidance and providing and being helpful, and those beliefs can be clouding and can be confusing. But they also, dependent upon the strength of the influences of them, can actually at times be facilitating in allowing you to genuinely move into your own expression of freedom and recognizing your own strength and your own confidence in that.

At times an individual may, in a manner of speaking, use the influences of certain beliefs that surfacely may seem that they are generating a compromise, but in actuality, they may be incorporating certain beliefs to allow themselves one act in which they can thusly express to themselves that they now can offer themself permission to express their own preferences and not to concern themselves with the other individual any longer.

NAOMI: Thatís kind of where Iím at, Elias. I want to express my own preferences, and there are times when I just want to throw all of them out, because I want my life, I want to do what I want to do, and they should be doing what they want to do.

ELIAS: Now; first of all, in association with this subject, let me also express to you that the first movement that is your responsibility to engage is a movement in association with you, to stop concerning yourself with their choices, with their behaviors, and to genuinely focus your attention upon you.

Now; initially, to reinforce that action and to genuinely interrupt your automatic responses to rescue or to help or to quell, perhaps it may be significantly beneficial to you temporarily to disappear these individuals from your atmosphere. Physically they continue to exist, but if you are paying attention to you and temporarily generating this action of them disappearing from your reality, there is no longer a reason to concern yourself with what they are doing or what their behavior or their choices are.

In this, it may also be helpful to you to actually, at different points, physically remove yourself from their presence and not necessarily offer an explanation, for there is no necessity for you to justify paying attention to yourself.

NAOMI: Thatís true. There have been times Iíve done things even as simple as just going in my room and shutting the door.

ELIAS: I would offer a suggestion to remove yourself more dramatically, for in removing yourself within your room, you continue to occupy the same space arrangement within your home. They are occupying that space arrangement also. Therefore, your energy continues to somewhat mingle. Whereas, if you are actually removing yourself and engaging a walk or some other activity, you are no longer in the environment participating with them.

NAOMI: I do that. I take trips; I go to movies; I deliberately donít cook meals so that they donít have the expectations.

ELIAS: I am understanding. But the most significant element is you paying attention to you. Not to motivate them, but they shall automatically be influenced by your energy and the alterations of your energy if you are not concerning yourself with them genuinely and if you are not generating a direction of hoping that their choices or behaviors shall change. That is merely another expression of expectation.

Whereas, if you are concerning yourself merely with YOU, you begin to generate a situation in which it matters not what they are creating. That is significant, for you are no longer reinforcing their energy. You are no longer opposing it, you are no longer generating expectations, and you are no longer offering payoffs.

NAOMI: That gives me a lot to think about. What I would really like to do with Ross is, I have been feeling quite similar to how you have been describing. Iíve packed up all his stuff, and my original plan was to say hey, hereís your truck, hereís your stuff, just go do whatever you gotta do; just donít involve me. Thatís what Iíd really like to say to him.

ELIAS: I may offer another suggestion. You may, if you are so choosing, choose to engage conversation with Michael in relation to this subject, for Michael has engaged experiences with this subject also. That may be somewhat helpful, to be sharing experiences and offering yourself information in that manner also.

NAOMI: Thank you very much for that suggestion, Elias, and thank you again for all your help.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

NAOMI: I am going to turn it over now to Elena. Sheís got some questions for you.

ELIAS: Very well.

ELENA: Elias, was that you last night dancing around, that my kitty was looking at you?

ELIAS: Yes! Ha ha!

ELENA: That was great! The finger discomfort on awakening, what is that?

ELIAS: What is your impression?

ELENA: My impression is that itís another focus. Is that correct?


ELENA: Can you give me a clue to who it is?

ELIAS: I may express the suggestion that you allow yourself to pay attention within your dream imagery, and you shall present the individual to yourself and more information that you can investigate.

ELENA: I knew youíd say something like that! (Elias laughs) The left eye blind spot that I experienced, my impression is thatís a focus. Is that correct?

ELIAS: That is correct, but it is also associated with an other-dimensional focus.

ELENA: In that other dimension, is that considered a disease?

ELIAS: No, it is considered quite normal for the focuses in that dimension do no incorporate periphery. Therefore, it would translate to you in your reality as a blind spot.

ELENA: And what dimension is that?

ELIAS: As I have expressed previously, none of these dimensions actually incorporate names or identifications. Individuals within your reality create names for them as a manner of allowing themselves to connect with each other and share information. Incorporating their own name for a particular dimension allows them to share with each other more easily and understand what they are expressing with each other. But in actuality, any dimension does not necessarily incorporate a name any more than does yours. (Both laugh)

ELENA: Okay! The right knee, I have twinges, like parallel pins. Is that a focus?

ELIAS: No. This is you.

ELENA: The ear tones, they vary in volume and tone, pitch and length. Iíve been trying to correlate them with earth movements. Am I going in the right direction with that?

ELIAS: You are correlating them with what types of movements, in what capacity?

ELENA: In earthquakes.

ELIAS: You can, although I would express to you that these are energy expressions that are also other dimensional. But you can manipulate that in a manner to tune yourself into the shifting and movement of the earth, which can allow you to be more aware of its movement in association with this type of development. That would be an action in tuning-in sense wise in similarity to creatures. They also generate a heightened awareness in association with a phenomenon that occurs in association with your earth and your weather.

ELENA: Oftentimes Iíll see a green haze or a red haze. What are the colors? What do those symbolize?

ELIAS: In what capacity are you viewing them?

ELENA: As I am dropping off to sleep, usually. In the red haze, I usually will see faces, which I think are other focuses.


ELENA: What is the significance of the red?

ELIAS: The red is an expression of your energy that is being projected by you from your red energy center, which allows you to slow your energy. It also allows you to incorporate relaxation, if you are responding to it, and it shall facilitate slowing movement, which allows you to generate more clarity.

ELENA: Then thereís also the green one, a beautiful shade of green, and in that haze I see geometrical shapes. Whatís the significance of the green?

ELIAS: That is what you are allowing and drawing to yourself. That is not your energy; that is the energy of the essence Otha. This would be associated with our Game. This is one of the essences that facilitate this energy exchange. This essence is presenting its energy to you in introduction and in supportiveness.

ELENA: What about the geometric shapes? Theyíre beautiful, the geometric shapes.

ELIAS: That is imagery that you are configuring in association with this energy, its projection and the qualities of it, which you are translating into these shapes. What is significant is that you are generating somewhat of a fascination with this energy, and you are recognizing and appreciating the beauty of it and the strength of it.

ELENA: Well, beautiful it is! Itís really fascinating, but it only comes occasionally. I havenít figured out a pattern as to when it shows up.

ELIAS: There is no actual pattern. It is an offering of energy by that essence, and you view it in moments in which you are allowing yourself more of an openness.

ELENA: (Laughs) No wonder I think itís beautiful! Let me go into focus questions. Thereís a pro football player, Jevon Kearse, is he a focus of mine?

ELIAS: Counterpart.

ELENA: No wonder I picked up his ills, his medical ills. The focus named Chad Ė is that his name, actually?

ELIAS: Clarify.

ELENA: With the breathing difficulties that Iíve expressed that I manifest from another focus, the name Chad came to me once in thinking about who this focus is. Is that correct?


ELENA: Chad, is he in Eritrea or Ethiopia?

ELIAS: Ethiopia.

ELENA: Do I have a counterpart in Eritrea?


ELENA: Male, female?

ELIAS: Female.

ELENA: Chad, what age is he now?

ELIAS: He is not a current focus.

ELENA: Oh! What timeframe?

ELIAS: Early 1900s.

ELENA: Is the young woman that I saw with a long skirt and shoulder-length hair, is she a focus of mine near Emiliano Zapata?


ELENA: My impression is Iím just part of the crowd around him.

ELIAS: Correct.

ELENA: What about Vincent van Gogh? Am I observing essence to him? (Pause)

ELIAS: Also counterpart.

ELENA: This is a really interesting question, for me anyway. (Laughs) I had this dream about a time when I am a lion tamer, a female lion tamer. In that dream, I run away with a man. My impression is that that man is my current husband. Is that correct?


ELENA: Thank you very much! (Elias laughs) When I walked into my friend Junieís apartment, I felt immediately at home. Whatís the connection between Junie and me?

ELIAS: You incorporate many focuses together.

ELENA: Thatís what I thought. How many times have Junie and her ex-husband, Gary, been together?

ELIAS: Eighteen.

ELENA: The number that came to me was 16, but 18, thatís pretty close. Thatís pretty good. (Elias laughs) Whatís Junieís essence name?

ELIAS: Essence name Sabtha, S-A-B-T-H-A.

ELENA: And what is her family and alignment?

ELIAS: And your impression?

ELENA: My impression is Tumold/Milumet.

ELIAS: Reverse.

ELENA: That was my first impression when I was thinking about it, then I reversed it. (Elias laughs) Is she common and emotional?


ELENA: Iím going to move to these scientific questions, so to speak. Where did water come from, Elias?

ELIAS: (Laughs) You created it!

ELENA: Yes, but did it originate here?

ELIAS: Upon this planet?


ELIAS: Not necessarily.

ELENA: What do you mean, not necessarily?

ELIAS: It is not unique to this particular planet. In relation to this planet, it originated here, but it is not a unique commodity to this planet. Water exists in the design of other planets also.

ELENA: Are you familiar with the Dal, D-A-L, universe?

ELIAS: Somewhat. What is your question?

ELENA: Iím reading this book about the Plejarens. They are in, I think, a two degree, one degree of separation from our universe. In the book that Iím reading, the Plejarens describe their universe as similar to ours. They call theirs the Dal universe, and they call ours the Dern, D-E-R-N, universe. Iím wondering, since you mentioned about the other-dimensional influences, Iím wondering if some of the ear tones and the other manifestations, are any of those from a counterpart or a focus in the Dal universe?

ELIAS: This would be a translation, but yes, I am understanding what you are expressing, and my response would be yes.

ELENA: Was she Ė I say ďsheĒ because I had an experience of a female presence Ė my impression was that she was from the Dal universe. Is that correct?

ELIAS: Once again, that is a translation, but yes, you are correct.

ELENA: Do we here on earth, our physical makeup, does our genetic makeup include a gene for aging and a gene for aggression?

ELIAS: It can, but not necessarily.

ELENA: So some of us have it and some of us donít?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon what you create, what you generate, how you create your individual genetic makeup.

ELENA: So the gene for aggression, say, is not part of the overall blueprint?

ELIAS: Correct.

ELENA: In the boat party painting by Renoir, do I have a focus there on that boat?

ELIAS: Do you incorporate a focus that was present?


ELIAS: Yes. Are you necessarily imaged in the painting? No.

NAOMI: Elena, do you mind if I interrupt? I had a question about that also, if we had time.

ELENA: Go ahead.

NAOMI: Elias, I understand that I may be in that painting, but Iím not sure either. Can you tell me?

ELIAS: I would express that you also incorporate similarly. You do incorporate a focus that participates in that party, but are not necessarily imaged in the painting.

NAOMI: That explains why I was stuck not getting impressions. (All laugh) Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

ELENA: My neighbor across the street, Miranda, she has been interested in me since we moved here. Whatís the connection between Miranda and me?

ELIAS: You also incorporate many focuses together, and therefore, there is a sense of a familiarity.

ELENA: Ever since I moved here, I have always felt that I could depend on her if I needed anything. If something came up, I could run over there across the street. I could depend on Miranda. My neighbor Theresa down the street, whatís my connection with her?

ELIAS: And what is your impression?

ELENA: My impression is that I pick up empathically whatís happening for her.

ELIAS: Somewhat, yes, you are correct, and you do also engage counterpart action.

ELENA: Oh my god! Well, that is a surprise of major proportions! (Elias laughs)

Well, Elias, I want to know a little bit about you. What makes you happy? What do you enjoy doing, wherever youíre doing it over there? (Both laugh)

ELIAS: First of all, I may express to you that I do not incorporate happiness or sadness, for I do not incorporate emotion. As I express my energy through layers of consciousness in engaging this energy exchange, I configure that energy in a manner that is familiar to you as I interact with you. Therefore, it incorporates inflection and different emotional qualities that you are familiar with, and that generates a comfort in the allowance for interaction between us. But in actuality, in the areas of consciousness that I occupy, I do not experience emotion.

Emotion is an objective expression, and I do not incorporate an objective awareness, for it is unnecessary. Therefore, much of which is known to you within your physical reality would not necessarily be relevant to what I experience or what you would term to be what I do. Although, some of what I do is to be interactive with all of you and continuously projecting energy to all of you that you may configure in whatever manner you choose.

I do incorporate interaction with individuals that have disengaged in a limited capacity, and I do incorporate focuses of attention in many other dimensions. Therefore, there is actual manifestation participations in other realities, as I have with yours also, previously.

ELENA: Can you describe the manifestations that you exhibit in the other dimensions?

ELIAS: There are countless.

ELENA: Iíll let you pick one.

ELIAS: Very well, I shall offer one example. I incorporate one type of focus in another dimension that, in your terms, may be translated that I incorporate a fondness for those particular manifestations. The manner in which it may translate into what is known within your reality is that the manifestation would be somewhat likened to a jelly-like substance, which appears quite pliable and can move itself into many different forms, dependent upon the expression in the moment.

Each expression that is generated creates a different configuration of actual forms. The form is quite pliable and can even be separated into sections and reunited and absorbed together again, dependent upon what the expression is and how that is affecting the physical manifestation. We also, in that physical dimension, incorporate an equivalent to pets, as do you in your physical dimension. The pets are somewhat different, but they incorporate a significant interconnectedness with the focuses. These also incorporate the ability to alter their form, but also express significant color in association with their form, which changes, which is somewhat entertaining and also amusing. (Chuckles)

ELENA: That sounds fascinating. Do they eat?

ELIAS: They do consume. That would be somewhat more challenging to translate into what is known within your reality, for it somewhat would appear to you to be likened to air, but in actuality, there is more of a substance to that air. But it is colorless, and therefore, it does not necessarily incorporate actual form but density.

ELENA: That dimension, does it have a name?

ELIAS: Does your dimension have a name?

ELENA: Yes, itís called the universe. Itís not really a name, though.

ELIAS: Quite. Every dimension incorporates its own universe, but none of the dimensions actually incorporate a name unless you choose one for it. But that would not necessarily be the official name, it would be your name that you have assigned to it.

ELENA: What is the social construct like?

ELIAS: Social construct in that dimension... It would be likened to the construct of plants in your dimension but incorporating personality and curiosity, fascination and amusement. There is a playful expression within that physical dimension.

NAOMI: Playful plants.

ELIAS: They are not actually plants, but the question has been posed of the social construct and the most translatable would be similar to the social construct of plants, how they merely exist and interact in the same space arrangement and share interconnectedness, but are not necessarily, for the most part, expressing any competition or aggression.

ELENA: That sounds so fascinating to me. Maybe Iíll go visit you there! (Both laugh)

ELIAS: And so you can!

NAOMI: I think our timeís about up.

ELIAS: Very well. I express to each of you my encouragement and my supportiveness, and a reminder to be playful. I offer to you each great affection. In loving friendship, au revoir.

ELENA: Au revoir.

NAOMI: Au revoir.

Elias departs after 1 hour, 6 minutes.


(1) Naomiís note: As you will see later in Elenaís part of the session, she is the one with the ear ringing experiences. She and I have talked about this before.

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