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Sunday, July 20, 1997

<  Session 196 (Group/Castaic)  >


Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), Ron (Olivia), Cathy (Shynla), David (Mylo), Cecelia (Sari), Tom (James), Gail (William), Bob #1 (Siman), Drew (Matthew), Norm (Stephen), Reta (Dehl), and Bob #2 (Falon).

Elias arrives at 6:47 PM. (Time was seven seconds.)

ELIAS: Good evening. First, we shall attend to our game!

VICKI: Iíll go. I have some other peopleís stuff here. Iím going to start with two folks that we met in Elmira. First, for Joanne: Ilda, animals, sea anemone.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: Ilda, gods, B-A-U-D-O.

ELIAS: Less probable.

VICKI: Ilda, occupations, tavern/innkeeper.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: Paul would like to introduce a new category of rock bands.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: Sumari, rock bands, Yes.

ELIAS: One point.

VICKI: Ilda, rock bands, Jethro Tull.

ELIAS: Less probable.

VICKI: Sumafi, philosophers, Nostradamus.

ELIAS: Examine alignment.

VICKI: Sumafi, birds, owl.

ELIAS: Less probable.

VICKI: Crow with Milumet.

ELIAS: Less probable.

VICKI: Crow with Sumari.

ELIAS: Less probable. (Grinning)

VICKI: Vold, artists, Madonna.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: For Mary: Vold, political leaders, Franklin Roosevelt.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: Zuli, wars, the Chinese-Japanese War.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

VICKI: For myself: Tumold, vibrational tone qualities, the sense of touch.

ELIAS: One point.

VICKI: Sumafi, oceans and seas, the Baltic Sea.

ELIAS: One point.

GAIL: Sumari, movies, Cold Comfort Farm.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

GAIL: Borledim, leisure time activities, decorating.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

RON: Vold, fairy tales, Billy Goats Gruff.

ELIAS: Acceptable.

RON: Tumold, rituals, prayer.

ELIAS: One point. (Grinning)

CATHY: Tumold, animals, turtle.

ELIAS: One point. (Grinning)

CATHY: Physically-focused essence connections, movies, all essences with the movie Contact.

ELIAS: All essences within your globe?


ELIAS: Acceptable! (To Bob) Shall you attempt?

BOB#1: To do what? (Laughter) No.

ELIAS: Very well. In continuing our discussion of change, I open to you this evening, for much change is occurring within movement that all of you are noticing of. Therefore, in relation to your experiences, I shall offer your question and answer period to be helpful with your changing.

DAVID: Just open to questions? Okay! This is a kind of loaded question, so youíre going to have to bear with me here ícause Iíve kind of written it out. Could you offer some information that would be beneficial to the many, many people Ė mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters -- who have lost a loved one to the terrible disease of AIDS? Thereís much taboo surrounding this particular disease that many of our churches and such establishments are distorting, that I can see developing into yet another major belief system. Therefore, if we can nip it in the bud, so to speak, then maybe we might be doing a justice to ourselves. Yes, there are many who know within their hearts this is not a discriminative disease. It can strike at any gender. However, call it ignorance or what, there are just as many who choose to believe otherwise. Other than what information our society has access to presently, this does not seem to offer any comfort to the bereaved. Maybe if they knew that their loved ones didnít suffer and die in vain, so to speak, they would understand the cause of this disease in terms of it being a chosen experience of the individuals. Therefore, I feel we can offer them somewhat of the truth of this disease, rather than the distorted one they have presently. And is there a cure approaching soon?

ELIAS: I have addressed to this subject previously, and offered the reasoning for its creation. You may offer to individuals that you view to be experiencing suffering at the supposed loss, although there is no loss, of an individual connected with them that this has been created as a mass statement. Within agreement, at different time periods within your history, essences collectively have chosen to be creating of what you may view to be devastating effects physically. This attains your attention. Your societies shall pay attention if you are collectively en masse creating of some action which you view to be distasteful. In this, as you move into your shift, there is more of a recognition and acceptance of no gender within essence; this being only a creation of this physical dimension, holding the purpose for experience. In this, a mass statement has been agreed upon to be delivering information globally, in instruction to individuals that this what you view to be discrimination is unnecessary. You hold no differences.

You may offer to this these individuals that you all, in choosing to enter this cycle of manifestation within this particular physical dimension, agree to manifest three times at the least, for the sexual orientation experience. It is an intimate element of this dimension and your manifestation within it. In this and in recognition that essence holds no gender, this statement has been created en masse quite similarly to your plagues of old to be enlightening the societies, the public, to conditions which are deemed now to be unnecessary and unacceptable. Therefore, individuals choose the action of creating this dis-ease, and also choose their disengagement from physical focus in connection with this dis-ease. It has been purposefully orchestrated, and within the time period of the beginnings of your shift, intentionally.

As to the question of its cure: A cure, in your terms, for this dis-ease shall not occur until its purpose has been accomplished.

DAVID: So, no time frame?

ELIAS: As you look to your planet presently and its response to this mass event, the purpose has not been accomplished, although movement has been accomplished. In your terms, awakening is occurring.

DAVID: So are we expecting many, many more millions of people to die from this disease yet?

ELIAS: Presently, within the chosen probabilities, yes. Be remembering also that this is a choice, and merely a movement in a mergence into another area of consciousness. Therefore, it holds no negativity.

DAVID: I accept the fact that itís a choice, but itís the parents, the mothers and fathers who have this barrier of this gay-ness thing, that are causing much pain within themselves to think that their son or daughter was gay, and therefore theyíve brought much pain upon themselves to accept the fact. So many sons that I know have been thrown out of families because their parents just thought it was disgusting. They couldnít even say, ďYouíre my son.Ē

ELIAS: But this has also brought much attention to this subject. You are not physically experiencing such secretiveness objectively in this area as you are moving and there is more of an acceptance, although to your perception at times it may not appear in this manner. In actuality, thousands and thousands and thousands of individuals objectively are more accepting of this situation and choice than have been within your past.

DAVID: Iíll agree on that. (Pause)

CATHY: Iíll go. This is about acceptance, which I donít think Iím doing such a real good job of accepting how other people create their reality right now! Probably the last little thing was a phone call I got this morning about a friend of mine that is ... well, I donít know for sure, but I suspect is manifesting their cancer-thing again, and I found my reaction was very much the same today as it was three years ago when I heard it. So, what do you have to say about that?

ELIAS: Examine, Shynla, to yourself: What element threatens you in other individualsí creation of their reality? The element which is the foremost issue presently with yourself is that of the unfamiliar. All things, all actions, all concepts, all thoughts, all feelings that are unfamiliar to you are unacceptable. This is an issue you have chosen to be examining and are presenting yourself with many objective examples of in many areas personally, and also what you view to be outside of yourself. Be realizing that none of these things in actuality are threatening to you; this also being part of what we focus upon presently with change. It is a basic element of your nature. Therefore, it is unnecessary to be fearful of change. You create this continuously. It is unnecessary for you to be experiencing conflict, and conflict to the extreme of creating physical maladies! (Grinning) This also view as not negative. You have offered yourself the opportunity to be examining a very strong issue within you, and if you were not identifying and moving within this, you would also not be objectively creating elements that you may physically view. This is an indication to you that you are beginning to create your movement. It is also an indication of the strength of this issue and belief system, which is based in fearfulness of unfamiliar elements.

CATHY: More so than acceptance of how other people create their reality?

ELIAS: This would be your translation, this being easier to view; a lack of acceptance of other individualsí creation of their reality. But underlying, ask yourself: Why are you not accepting of other individualsí creation of their reality?

CATHY: (Sighing) Why do I do so much underlying stuff? God! (Laughing, and Elias begins chuckling) Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

GAIL: I also have a question. Iíve been creating some sort of discomfort in my hands, and Iíd like to know why Iím doing that. Iíve been trying to think about it, and I canít really connect it to anything specific.

ELIAS: This being an aspect of resistance. (To Vic) Be noticing of interference! (Elias was having difficulty pronouncing words)

GAIL: (Giggling) Oh, she did! (Pause)

ELIAS: Your intent is not necessarily within the direction of healing, although you hold natural abilities, and within your intent and wishing to be helpful, you are expressing more of this action. In this you also hold a resistance, for this is not the direction of your intention. Therefore, you manifest physical expression. (Here, Elias gives Vic an exasperated look, and Gail cracks up) Excuse! We shall break and readjust, that we may discard this interference presently, and we shall continue with all of your questioning.

BREAK 7:12 PM.
RESUME 7:19 PM. (Time was five seconds.)

ELIAS: Continue.

GAIL: I have a question to go with that. Tom suggested or thought that you said that I was resisting something?

ELIAS: Merely to the direction of healing.

GAIL: Okay. So I can do it if I just want to deal with my hands hurting and ...

ELIAS: Once you recognize within you that you choose to be engaging in this act but it is not necessarily to be confused with your direction and are accepting of this, the physical sensations shall dissipate.

GAIL: Okay.

DREW: I have a couple. First of all, is there anything significant we should know about the break that we just needed to take, or is it just another one of those sort of energy-scattering kind of things?

ELIAS: Not necessarily scattering; merely moving closely and affecting in interference. Energies may move closely, but within the intensity of energy focused within this type of energy exchange, as another essence moves close, it creates a wave in energy and is disrupting to a slight degree.

DREW: This is an energy other than ... excuse me ... an essence other than yours or Maryís?

ELIAS: Quite.

DREW: And it moves close for the experience of participation, or it just moves close because it happens to be close, or is there an intent behind its moving close?

ELIAS: Yes. This essence would be that of my dear one, which moves close to this energy exchange in evaluation of the process, in preparation for action of the same process with another individual.

DREW: Interesting! Have you addressed the subject of your dear one previously? (This is the essence of Patel, whom we call Paul)

ELIAS: Many times.

DREW: Okay, I just havenít been here for that. So as I understand what youíre saying, this action, this energy exchange that you participate in with Mary, there is a probability that this will occur with your dear one and someone else in this forum?


DREW: Can you be more specific? (Elias stares at Ron, grinning, and we all crack up) Really! Oh, would this be Paul?


DREW: Oh okay, thatís your dear one. Whew! An energy exchange in terms of a verbal exchange the way Mary is participating, as opposed to the way Paul already participates with Ron?


DREW: And is Ron aware of any changes in this energy exchange at this point, or is this a surprise to Ron at this point?

ELIAS: You may be inquiring of Olivia! (Laughter) Within the action of energy exchange, this essence of which I speak engages this action, but not within the same manner as this energy exchange which you witness.

DREW: Currently.

ELIAS: Quite.

DREW: But thatís going to change, is what youíre saying?

ELIAS: Yes ...

DREW: Interesting!

ELIAS: ... within the allowance of probabilities.

DREW: And the agreement of the two essences involved?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: Okay. Well, weíll look forward to that! Concerning change, I have some questions about that and this wave that we talked about a couple of weeks ago. I have been riding this wave and feeling really good about it, and have been changing my objective reality by changing my living space and some other things around me, not because I felt I needed to change them but because I felt I have become a different person. Iíve grown into a different person, and therefore my living space is not me anymore. Now at the same time, Iím having lots of objective imagery from the old me come back and kind of bug me. For example, much of this growth and becoming and change that Iíve been directing myself toward is with my business and financial growth and that kind of thing. And as Iíve been riding this wave and really feeling good about some things and some new training Iíve gone through and some other things that have been happening, at the same time last week all of the appointments Iíve had either cancelled at the last minute or stood me up. And so I spent a whole week not only frustrated because of that, but additionally frustrated because Iím looking at this what I thought was a change going on with me, and then looking at my objective imagery and saying, wait a minute! Whatís going on here? And so this raises several questions, number one being, what IS going on here? Number two, the nature of change, and it may be different for different people and different circumstances, but is change the kind of thing that ... I can hear the answer already, but Iíll ask the question. Is change the kind of thing that just happens and youíre changed? Or is there kind of a working-through process, of going back and forth and working your way through a change? Or how does this work, and how should I interpret what Iíve been feeling versus the imagery Iíve been creating?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the individual and their choice. It is also dependent upon the strength of your belief systems that you are choosing to be working through, and the belief systems that you hold about belief systems and working through these belief systems! At times you may allow yourself to instantaneously move through an issue, and you may alter your perception and your imagery and your behavior and you may move into more of an acceptance of those belief systems which you hold. At other times, dependent upon your choice, you may be experiencing a process, for you have chosen to allow yourself the experience of the process. At times, for your objective understanding, this may appear to you to be more beneficial, that you may understand all of the elements involved in these belief systems that you are addressing to. Therefore, it appears that you are creating conflicting imagery, although it is not necessarily conflicting. It is merely offering you more information. As you move, you experience some elements of movement in your feelings and you allow yourself acknowledgment. As you recognize that you have not completely moved through individual issues and addressed to all of the belief systems attached with these issues, you also offer yourself objective imagery to be suggesting further movement to you and motivating you to continue.

DREW: It actually is almost de-motivating because it leads me to doubt my feelings. My feelings have been good ... excuse me. My feelings have been optimistic and there have been feelings of movement, but my imagery conflicts and therefore I begin to doubt my feelings. Iím trusting what Iím feeling, but looking around me and seeing that my objective imagery is not reflecting what Iím feeling.

ELIAS: Therefore, you look to this as negative.

DREW: I look to it as a contradiction, and if that is imagery from the past that I feel like Iíve moved through, why then is that imagery continuing to present itself? And with that in mind, I begin to think my feelings must not be correct, and itís de-motivating.

ELIAS: I have expressed to you that your feelings are never not correct. If you are trusting of self and accepting, you may also use these imageries as an opportunity to be motivating and not moving into familiar areas of focusing upon negativity and devaluation of self. These are automatic responses. You are familiar with discounting of self and your actions. Therefore, recognize the movement. Recognize the feelings and the motivation within this, and use the imagery to be investigating those elements which you are continuing to address and move through. For within your belief systems, for the most part, you all believe that you must be engaging a process to be moving through issues and accepting belief systems. Therefore, you create a process. In actuality, as I have stated to you, you may accomplish instantaneously, but your belief systems prevent you from accomplishing this, for you do not believe realistically that you may be accepting of belief systems instantaneously or moving through issues instantaneously. You believe you must understand first, and you must be creating a process to be moving through. If you are viewing this, your words are indications of this belief also, in moving through an issue.

DREW: As opposed to just changing.

ELIAS: As opposed to allowing it to fly away. (Pause)

Issue, in your thought processes, denotes negative; an element which is unwanted. It is not negative. It is merely an element of yourself that you focus your attention upon more heavily, and therefore not allowing yourself the opportunity to engage your periphery more efficiently. The purpose of your shift is to be widening your awareness. Therefore, any element which is preventing you from engaging your periphery may be viewed as an obstacle; not negative, merely as a hurdle to a runner. (Pause)

DREW: Okay. So it really comes down to a matter of, as it usually does, trusting what youíre feeling rather than focusing on what youíre afraid of.

ELIAS: Quite.

DREW: Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: As you lend more energy into your accomplishment and your acknowledgment of self and your acceptance of self, you also allow this to flow more naturally. As you continue to lend energy into the area of discounting self, you perpetuate this.

TOM: This morning, Gail was working on my back. I had a sore spot on my back. While she was doing that, I had some images come up. I want to see if I can get some validation on it, because weíve had some connections before on different things. Would this be in the cavalry focus of mine, and if so, would it be during the Civil War?

ELIAS: One focus, yes.

TOM: One focus. Well, Iíll have to investigate! Thank you.

BOB#2: I have a question, Elias. Last September, I was in Denver at the Rocky Mountain Seth Conference. I had a reading from a young lady there that told me, and it was quite surprising actually, that she saw an inordinately high amount of anger in me. Thatís the first time that anybody that has done a reading for me had said that, and the reason it was so surprising was because she was pretty adamant about it. As a youngster I certainly did, but I thought I had put that to rest. Iím just wondering if thereís still a lot of unusual anger I havenít dealt with, or any comments you might want to make.

ELIAS: Let this once again serve as an example to you all; that as you engage activities in this area with physically-focused individuals that connect psychically, misinterpretations may occur, for they are viewing the first layer of consciousness connected with you. They also may be confusing at times of time frameworks; for in connecting to events in probabilities within consciousness, accessing information, it is accessed quite similarly to your dream state, which time frameworks fluctuate within. They are not sequential. Therefore, individuals may misinterpret some information that they connect with objectively and offer this information to you, for their feeling may be quite strong in connecting with the information, but they may also be misinterpreting time frameworks. Therefore, this individual held a recognition of an element of your experience, but misinterpreted the information in time frameworks, viewing also that you are simultaneously all of your aspects and all of your ages presently. Therefore, you may hold an understanding in how an individual may confuse information. They may be tapping into an aspect of you which is present but is also to you past or future, for all of the aspects of your focus are in consciousness simultaneous. Therefore, the recognition is correct, but the objective time framework is not.

BOB#2: Well, that was my feeling, actually. Thatís the intuitive feeling I had. I just wondered, because if I did have some issues I certainly wanted to bring them up and deal with them. I have a person in my life who is in the family now thatís a youngster with a lot of anger and is kind of violent, and I thought maybe she might be picking up some of that. But Iím not sure if thatís possible, that maybe a physically-oriented person, a psychic, so to speak, could confuse someone whoís real close to you with your own essence?

ELIAS: This is possible, for they are dealing with energy and not completely objectively holding an understanding of what they are tapping into.

BOB#2: Well, that makes a lot a sense. Thatís the way I interpreted it myself, or rationalized it at least!

ELIAS: Ah! Personal invalidation! Do not be discounting of your own intuition!

BOB#2: Iíve done that before!

RETA: I have a question. We were talking about the change and the shift. In talking about the body and healing, Iíve been trying to study and deal with what possible changes there can be so that people can allow themselves to be well more often and not take on the aspects of disease. But looking at other people and trying to help them with an awareness of even their own physical problems is really difficult unless you can get on some wavelength with them. Can you sort of help me to become aware of some of the expansiveness or some of the awareness that will come about as we go into the shift? Some of the differences?

ELIAS: Allow me to offer to you, Dehl, an experiment that you may engage yourself, which shall offer you the experience to be understanding a little more the action of this shift and its affectingness. You speak of healing and a desire to be helpful. I suggest to you: Temporarily attempt to put aside your desire for helpfulness, and allow yourself to view individuals that you deem needing helpfulness. Instead of directing your attention into being helpful, direct your attention temporarily into connecting empathically with these individuals. In this, allow yourself to experience what the other individual is experiencing physically, emotionally, mentally. As you allow yourself this experience and practice with this experience, you may also offer yourself an understanding of the tremendous workings of inner senses, which shall be offering you information of the action of this shift. It shall also offer you information in connecting with other individuals and understanding the action of helpfulness, for as you understand through experience another individualís experience, you may also understand how to be helpful more efficiently.

Example: If you are encountering an individual that has created a broken arm and you are choosing to be using your empathic sense and connecting with this individual, you shall experience the broken arm. In this experience, you shall also offer yourself information of how to be communicating with the bone which is broken and reestablishing its natural state; for the action of healing occurs by communication to affected areas subjectively, in instructing or reminding these areas to be reestablishing their natural order. Therefore, this exercise shall offer you, if you are allowing yourself to be accomplishing, much information that presently is quite confusing to you.

RETA: Okay. In the one case I did become very empathetic, and I can understand and believe what needs to be done. But like you said with the broken arm, take on the broken arm and try to communicate with myself what it takes to heal that, and then communicate to the other entity the same information? Or is it just knowing how that feels is enough to interpret and communicate that to another person?

ELIAS: The knowing shall produce the understanding within you, and this shall offer you the information of the communication. Therefore you may, without words, communicate energy to be helpful to another individual.

RETA: In just a moment of knowing?

ELIAS: Yes. The experience that you offer yourself shall be quite helpful to you.

RETA: Of course, the question is time period. How long will this last? Am I going to be fearful? No! How long would the knowing or the empathy be lasting within my body?

ELIAS: You need not hold the empathic experience.

RETA: Just know about it.

ELIAS: Correct. You may release the energy immediately. It shall reform, and it shall redirect.

RETA: To the other individual.

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It may redirect in many different areas, but this also may be helpful in offering the element of release within the other individual.

RETA: In the one case, the person is very receptive to mental images but is very, very ill, and I tried to be very empathetic with her, but thatís not quite enough to understand the whole of her illness.

ELIAS: You need be understanding the direction and the intent within your empathic experience. An empathic experience is not merely physically experiencing those elements that another individual experiences. You must be connecting and experiencing the whole of the individual, for they may be choosing not to be healing themselves, and this you must be understanding of; for you may not be affecting if another individual is choosing to continue with their manifestation of malady, and you may hold no healing ability with another individual that they are not within agreement to be accomplishing. Therefore, you may choose to be helpful or wish to be helpful and you may hold a very strong desire to be helpful to another individual and not be affecting, for it is their choice of their creation.

RETA: Certainly. Of course, the next thing would be letting go.

ELIAS: Quite; accepting of another individualís creation of their reality.

RETA: Even though they emphatically state that they donít want it? How can I tell if their inner senses are saying, ďOh, but you do want it.Ē

ELIAS: By engaging your empathic sense.

RETA: Okay. I will try. I will do!

ELIAS: Very good!

BOB#1: So youíre saying if her empathetic episode is successful, she might actually sense not only the illness, but sense that the person on some level wants it, needs it, is not going to let go of it, and that would make it easier for her to accept it, because on some level she doesnít want them to be sick.

ELIAS: To the first part of your question, yes. To the second part of your question, not necessarily. Dehl may not necessarily find more of an ease in the letting go of her desire to be helpful, in spite of knowing that the individual is choosing to be continuing within the manifestation that they have created. This is the element of accepting another individualís choice; this being quite difficult at times for many individuals.

BOB#1: For a variety of reasons.

ELIAS: Quite.

BOB#1: Some of them belief system oriented, others of them simply desire.

ELIAS: Which is also influenced in many areas by belief systems.

BOB#1: So is there desire thatís not influenced by belief systems?

ELIAS: Yes, but not that you feel; for you hold desire within intent, but you may not necessarily feel this desire, although it motivates you. It moves you, but you do not objectively feel this.

BOB#1: So when you think youíre feeling something, what are you feeling?

ELIAS: Feelings. (Grinning, and we all laugh)

BOB#1: Okay. Theyíre simply that. They donít have anything to do with anything else.

ELIAS: Not necessarily! (Grinning)

BOB#1: Okay, all right ...

RETA: And when youíre working on these feelings, Iím just going to suppose that itís better if you have the attention of the other individual. It would be kind of difficult to work with these feelings if theyíre not paying attention.

ELIAS: It is unnecessary for the other individualís attention.

RETA: The empathy can be strong enough ...

ELIAS: It is not empathy! It is empathic!

RETA: Okay, empathic. Excuse me. Iíll have to get the difference. Explain the difference.

ELIAS: Empathic is the action of your inner sense which allows you to in actuality, in reality, experience the whole of another individualís experience. Empathy is different; this being an emotion. It is unnecessary for the attention of the other individual if you are engaging your empathic sense. If you are engaging interaction in healing, yes, you would needing of the other individualís attention, for you are also needing of their agreement.

RETA: Okay. Thank you.

DREW: Does using the empathic sense to experience their whole experience require a mergence?


DREW: So it requires an agreement.

ELIAS: Not in your terms.

DREW: But subjectively ... no?

ELIAS: As you are not holding an intention of hurtfulness and intrusiveness, any action is agreeable within essence. (Pause) I have expressed this previously: You shall not merge with another individual if they are not in agreement. This is automatic. It is not necessary to be creating an agreement. It is already accepted.

DREW: Provided there is no hurtfulness or intrusiveness.

ELIAS: Quite, except within certain situations of individuals choosing to be separating and in your terms closing off, and in these cases you shall not hold the ability to merge or engage your empathic sense. You shall experience ... the wall. (Emphatically slapping his hands together)

DREW: If your intent for mergence is this empathic sense, the purpose of which is to facilitate healing, and this other person doesnít want to be healed, would that then be considered intrusive and the mergence then not accepted because they donít want to be healed in the first place, and therefore the mergence for the purpose of the empathic sense would be unnecessary and in fact not even desired?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It may be engaged and it may be allowed, and it may also be communicated that the helpfulness is not accepted.

RETA: On the second part of the question, can you explain a little bit about how this kind of healing or self-healing will change as we enter our change in paradigm?

ELIAS: As I have expressed previously: As you widen your awareness and you hold more of an understanding of self and offer yourselves more of a remembrance and less separation, you shall understand many more elements of your reality, therefore holding an ease in its creation and an understanding in direction of its creation. You shall be quite easily healing elements that you understand why and how you have created them initially.

RETA: I was reading in a book today, actually listening to a tape today, about an explanation of changing life; for instance, a cancer cell. The explanation was that it recreates itself all the time because that is what itís remembering on a day-to-day basis, and what you need to do is give the cellular level a different plan or help it to remember when it was well. How does that ...

ELIAS: This is the choice of the individual.

RETA: Right, but in helpfulness, to help them go back and remember before it was ill ...

ELIAS: This is the choice of the individual! (Laughter)

RETA: I know, but I ...

ELIAS: They may not be choosing to be engaging this process!

RETA: No, but Iím not meaning the choice. Iím meaning the process. Is that how you understand the process?

ELIAS: The process ...

RETA: Of reestablishing the cell as a healthy cell.

ELIAS: (Patiently) The process is being accomplished within continuous communication from your subjective awareness, and as your subjective awareness continues to be instructing to be continuing in the dis-ease, the cells respond and continue.

RETA: Right.

ELIAS: As the subjective awareness chooses to be changing this action, it may change instantaneously. If an individual is choosing to allow helpfulness within energy of you to be uncreating of dis-ease, you shall be instructing within energy in concert with the individual of these cells to be recreating their natural state. It needs no process.

RETA: Would it be using the words? Would it be helping them to understand in remembrance of the natural state, or just knowing that there is a different natural state? (Elias pauses, closing his eyes)

ELIAS: Let us focus once again upon your broken arm. (Smiling)

RETA: Okay.

ELIAS: View the bone. This is constructed of cells. Your subjective awareness has created a situation to be interrupting the natural state of this bone and breaking it. Within this, the cellular structure is confused and placed into trauma. Therefore, another individual may approach you and be offering helpfulness to return this bone to its natural state. You express agreement. In this, you within your subjective awareness direct energy to the cells in communication of the bone, and also the other individual directs energy in communication to the cells of the bone, expressing, ďThis is not your natural state. Your natural state is to be adhered together again with the disconnected cells.Ē Instantaneously, they may move back together. They need no process. Is this clearer?

RETA: Itís pretty good, but I still have a little bit up there.

DREW: Can I ask a question about that? It may have been a figure of speech for the purposes of illustration, but you said that if her arm was broken, the cells may be confused in that state. But if she chose to break her arm for the experience, would there not be an agreement within her whole body? Wouldnít all aspects of her physicality understand that this was going to happen? Was the term ďcells being confusedĒ just a figure of speech?


DREW: The cells would be confused.


DREW: They wouldnít be aware of the action that was going to ...

ELIAS: They are aware of the action. They are in agreement and are following through with the action, but you are also speaking of the body consciousness, which does not direct itself.

DREW: Yes, and therefore?

ELIAS: Therefore, it holds no reasoning of actions. It responds to your directions. It responds in agreement continuously. Your body consciousness is constantly in agreement to your subjective activity and responding to its instruction, but within the individual cells, the consciousness is designed to function efficiently and not within dis-ease or dysfunction. Therefore, you interrupt its natural state as you choose to be creating within your instructions of these elements. The body consciousness shall respond, for it is never not in agreement to your subjective activity. But the individual cells do not reason. They merely function within their natural state. Therefore, you confuse their energy in interrupting this.

DREW: Okay. Well, this leads to another question, and that is a definition of ďnatural state.Ē For people who choose to be born with what we would call handicaps or disabilities or deformities, would that be a natural state for them?


DREW: And so by natural state, you mean the state we chose to be born into, and any change in that would be the unnatural state?

ELIAS: The form and the functioning of that form of body consciousness within an individual focus.

DREW: Chosen before birth.

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: Okay. So, if someone is born with a deformity and somehow goes into surgery and has that corrected, they would then be in an unnatural state?

ELIAS: To an extent, although this being their choosing. They may continue within that manifestation, just as you may be choosing to be breaking of your arm and not repairing of it.

DREW: Right. I understand. Okay.

BOB#1: So is all disease created at the subjective level?


BOB#1: And thatís somehow in alignment with intent, generally?

ELIAS: All of your creations, to an extent, are within alignment of your intent within the individual focus, for this is your value fulfillment, and if you are not creating your value fulfillment, you shall not continue.

BOB#1: Okay. So on a subjective level, are you affected by your belief systems? Does your subjective create its reality in alignment with your objective belief systems?

ELIAS: For the most part, yes.

BOB#1: I was viewing the subjective as a somehow ... I forget the terminology ... purer state of yourself or aspect of yourself, but itís not.

ELIAS: (Grinning) And are you suggesting that your objective belief systems are not pure?

BOB#1: I told you that was the wrong choice of words! (Laughter, and Elias joins in) No, but what Iím curious about is ...

ELIAS: I am understanding.

BOB#1: ... if disease is caused at the subjective level with generally, at least by implication, a more knowing approach to your existence than your objective and less impacted by belief systems than your objective decisions are, then to what extent do we engage our objective to heal what our subjective has done to us? Now, I understand the choice of words is somewhat creative!

ELIAS: Creative? Quite! (Grinning)

BOB#1: Okay, I just donít want to get hung up on that, but you know what my point is.

ELIAS: You are continuously in harmony. You are not at odds subjectively and objectively.

BOB#1: Okay. So anyone who has disease, almost by definition of the ďno good no badĒ kind of a thing, that disease is just simply experience and doesnít need to be healed one way or the other. It might be, it might not; and the healing is no more or no less a choice than the disease was.

ELIAS: Correct.

BOB#1: However, disease can kill you!

ELIAS: You choose the moment of your disengagement.

BOB#1: To some extent, the disease becomes the mechanism by which we choose our disengagement.


BOB#1: So to some extent, if we have decided on whatever level, subjective or objective, to create disease, and we continue with that disease in harmony with our subjective and objective, we are moving towards disengagement, which is completely consistent with what we want, both objectively and subjectively.

ELIAS: Correct. It is merely your belief systems that suggest to you that you do not want this action.

BOB#1: However, the implication is that if you accept your belief systems you will no longer be diseased, and that doesnít follow!

ELIAS: I have not expressed this.

BOB#1: No, but people have inferred that.

VICKI: Yes, they have!

ELIAS: Acceptance of belief systems is not an elimination of belief systems, and it is not a discontinuation of your creation of experiences.

BOB#1: I understand. However, the word healing, understanding again that thereís no good or bad, tends to take on a positive connotation. Itís even a family intent, and if a family has the intent of healing ...

ELIAS: Although our definition of healing is different from your definition of healing.

BOB#1: Our and your? Are we to be separate now? (Much laughter)

ELIAS: (Grinning) Ah, Siman!

BOB#1: I thought we were together on this!

ELIAS: We are, but you view yourself to be separated within your reality of your objective creations!

BOB#1: Well, how presumptuous of you!

ELIAS: Quite!

BOB#1: Okay, Iíll allow it. (Much laughter)

ELIAS: Thank you very much! (Grinning) I shall be expressing a break, and you may continue with your questioning.

BOB#1: Okay.

ELIAS: (Looking at Bob) You may continue with your questioning!

BOB#1: Well, I donít know if Iím up for it! (Elias leaves laughing)

BREAK 8:19 PM.
RESUME: 8:41 PM. (Time was one second)

Vicís note: Elias arrives as Reta is questioning Vic about the transcripts of the sessions held in Elmira)

DAVID: Elias is here! (Reta keeps asking questions as Elias is staring at her, grinning)

RETA: Hello! (Finally realizing whatís going on)

ELIAS: Do not let me be interfering with your conversating!

RETA: Did you have a good time at the New York conference? Did I ask you that before?

ELIAS: Yes. (Grinning, and we all crack up)

RETA: You looked like you were in great shape when you were there. Sounded like you were in great shape, I should say. (Elias begins laughing)

CATHY: He was in rare form, anyway!

RETA: There were a couple of people that we met there. On one occasion there was about fifteen or sixteen people at a special luncheon, and it was kind of difficult to get to their belief systems. This was a group of scientists. There were physicists and psychologists. There were two people there that were receptive to understanding that they didnít have even an idea of some of the things that would be necessary to understand this. There was a young lady there, a college student, who seemed to be very, very in tune with this. What kind of feelings did you get from that group? We were at a luncheon on Saturday for about an hour and a half with this group of people, discussing how to get to a scientific point of view on this. Do you have any comments on that? I know Iím going to ask you, ďWere you there,Ē and youíre going to say, ďYes.Ē How do you feel about that conversation that we had? We finally kind of gave up because they were always trying to come back to what they knew rather than trying to discover what they didnít know. (Pause)

ELIAS: You do not hold a mission to be changing the belief systems of all of these individuals!

RETA: Oh, I understand that. But to expand the shift and to expand Eliasí desires, thereís a certain group in there, or a certain number of people that can facilitate this in a much faster way than we can possibly. Maybe thatís not true. Maybe weíll be the ones that do it. What is your feeling on that?

ELIAS: I express to you that you shall draw yourself to individuals and you shall draw individuals to you that this information will speak to.

RETA: Do we already know partially how weíre going to do this? Or have we already begun this?

ELIAS: You have already begun. You offer the information and are accepting of the response.

RETA: Were there any in that particular group that you would be interested in?

ELIAS: This be your choice.

RETA: Oh, good! You wonít play my little parlor game of telling me who! Okay. (Elias chuckles)

TOM: Elias, would it be too late for a game question? I just got ďremembering.Ē A vibrational tone quality? Letís see. I guess it would be for me. (Meaning connected with the Vold family)

ELIAS: Acceptable. (To Reta and Norm) Offering also, in remembering: Harlan, Sumafi, belonging to. Rose, Sumafi, belonging to.

NORM: And Robert? (Laughter)

ELIAS: We shall continue at our next meeting with your continuing list of connections.

RETA: You said Rose, Sumafi?

ELIAS: Correct.

RETA: Aligned with Borledim?

ELIAS: (Grinning) We shall be offering at our next meeting your next two entries!

BOB#1: I have a question. If one of us here were to decide that we didnít want the shift to occur, could we in any way impede it?

ELIAS: Yes, for you shall be aligning with the mass belief systems currently holding.

BOB#1: Hmm! I didnít expect that answer. Youíre always doing that to me, you know! I thought the shift was moving in unstoppable force that none of us need participate in nor help with, and it would occur regardless.

ELIAS: Allow me to offer you an explanation. All probabilities are actualized. Therefore, this shift is actualized. But as probabilities are also not ahead of you, and you are creating them within each moment, the actualization of that probability still holds the element of non-insertion into your reality if you are not moving within the direction of actualizing it into this reality.

BOB#1: My individual reality?

ELIAS: The collective reality upon your planet.

BOB#1: Okay. Well, Iím completely confused!

ELIAS: Probabilities may be as simply explained as choices, and as complicated to be understanding as to completely confound you objectively. Within the creation of probabilities and simultaneous time ... Siman!

BOB#1: Now youíre getting into stuff I understand! (Laughter)

ELIAS: Quite! The probability of the shift, as it has been thought of collectively, has been actualized; but it is not actualized within this dimension. (Pause, staring at Bob)

BOB#1: Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, it is actualized within consciousness; and you now, moment by moment, create its actualization into this reality. (Pause, staring at Bob again)

BOB#1: Okay.

ELIAS: Therefore collectively, you hold the choice at every moment to change probabilities. In this, you continue presently with the choice globally to be actualizing into your reality the action of this shift, but this holds the ability to change within every moment. As you lend energy to the opposition of the shift, you hold at bay the actualization.

BOB#1: In order to do that, would one have to be aware of the shift and actively opposing it, as opposed to the people who are just strongly holding belief systems which are not shift-oriented, per se?

ELIAS: Within present probabilities, yes.

BOB#1: Hmm! So there is a probability that aware, widened people could and/or might oppose the shift for some unknown reason?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: But in opposing it, donít they lend energy to it?

ELIAS: No. They may be lending energy to the actualization of your prophecies.

RETA: And the mass belief that weíre going to have doom, gloom and destruction, thatís the big belief system. Thatís the mass belief system right now.

BOB#1: Iím not sure thatís all that strongly held.

RETA: Oh, I believe it is!

BOB#1: I know there are people who do, but ...

DREW: To understand how this focusing of energy works, itís my understanding that ... and Iím sure youíll correct me if Iím wrong! If you focus on that which you do not want, you lend energy to it and quite often cause its manifestation. Therefore, if there are people who do not want the shift to take place and they focus their energy at not allowing it to happen, theyíll lend energy to its actual manifestation.

ELIAS: But they are also understanding of what they are focusing their energy to.

BOB#1: But I defined them as aware, widened people who understood what was going on opposing it, as opposed to people lending energy to things through belief systems.

ELIAS: Correct.

RETA: If you take people who read and believe in the revelations, the prophecies, and all this stuff thatís been going on, could you take an estimate of that mass belief system in the population today? Would that be two-thirds of the population or half the population that believe in that destruction or that prophecy being fulfilled?

ELIAS: More than half ...

RETA: Quite a few!

ELIAS: ... but this does not necessarily lend energy in opposing the shift.

RETA: Well, I donít know how many people even know about the shift to be able to oppose it! I mean, theyíre using their revelations and their prophecies to believe in, but I donít believe that there is an alternative for some of these people.

BOB#1: (To Reta) I wasnít exactly talking in real time necessarily. I was talking more hypothetically. As people became aware, could they oppose the shift, and would they, and might they, and is that a probability.

RETA: It IS a probability ...

ELIAS: All actions are probabilities. All choices are probabilities. This is not a more probable probability. It is quite less probable, although everything is within the realm of probabilities.

BOB#1: One real quick follow-up to her fifty percent question. Isnít the apocalypse largely a Judeo, actually not even Judeo, but a Christian belief?

ELIAS: No. There are many other religious elements that believe in these prophecies also, not necessarily in the identical same actions, but within the action of massive destruction of your planet.

RETA: In talking to a couple of individuals who firmly believe this is going to be happening, and in talking to them about the earth being a living thing and so on and telling them that we possibly could stop this action, they were very adamant that we had no business even thinking it would stop because itís Godís plan. So there would be a lot of opposition in some people.

ELIAS: This is not, as I have said, necessarily opposition. It is a difference in belief systems which does not necessarily lend to the destruction of your planet and the actualization of these prophecies. It does not necessarily express a lack of lending of energy to your shift, for they believe that a massive extreme change shall occur, and a massive extreme change is occurring!

RETA: But not in destruction?

ELIAS: It matters not!

BOB#1: In their mind, itís just a destruction of their precepts.

RETA: I donít know. They believe in physical destruction of the globe, and then theyíre talking about the globe eventually going into a celestial state of a sea of glass. I mean, thereís all kinds of things that can be read.

ELIAS: It matters not.

NORM: So is this vote absolutely democratic? If fifty percent or greater intend for it to happen, then it will happen?


NORM: Well, how is it decided?

ELIAS: Within agreement globally.

NORM: Nobody can ever agree to anything! I mean, are there numbers involved? I mean, are percentages involved?

ELIAS: Not in your terms. You are misunderstanding; this being why we move away from these areas of discussion, for it lends only to your misunderstanding and confusion.

(Firmly) This shift is accomplished. This shift is accomplishing. Within your physical dimension, the probabilities presently, within this moment ... and you may ask and I shall be offering you information within every other moment that we are interacting, and I shall be expressing to you that it is continuing to be in agreement globally ... within essence, within consciousness, this shift shall be accomplished and inserted into your reality. This is not to say that probabilities in themselves do not exist for opposition or for non-materialization, but these are very, very, very less probable for insertion into your dimension within this present now and the agreement within consciousness of all of the essences which focus within this dimension.

NORM: In other words, the shift in awareness is being accomplished, but there may be other happenings that will occur simultaneously or will occur in the next hundred years, such as destruction. The shift will occur, but other ...

ELIAS: If you are choosing, but you may also be choosing not to be actualizing these elements.

BOB#1: So the shift is a result of choices that have already been made and agreements that have already been formed within probabilities in the past, so to speak?

ELIAS: In the now, so to speak! (Grinning)

BOB#1: Okay, for the purposes of discussion! And these choices tend to take on a bit of a cause and effect kind of nature. Had other choices been made, the shift may not have occurred, but since the choices were made en masse, in agreement over time with large numbers of essences, we move towards this shift. So what youíre saying is the probability that we will make an abrupt left-turn or reversal is just not highly likely?

ELIAS: Correct.

DAVID: So the shift then is going to happen. Therefore, if we choose in that process to have destruction, then we will have it, but the shift will happen either way.

ELIAS: Correct; this being part of why I speak to you, that you may become aware and not be creating of these elements which are unnecessary, and also creating much trauma for yourselves which is unnecessary.

BOB#1: Will we get to some shortcuts? (Laughter)

VICKI: Speaking of trying to become aware, I have a few questions for myself and for some other people too tonight. Iíd like to try to understand more of some of the things that happened this week. To go back to Cathyís question, obviously Cathy and I chose a similar physical manifestation so that we could try to figure things out together, I suppose, or Iím not sure exactly why, but itís obvious that we did, and we have been exploring this off and on all week. Iíve come to some of my own conclusions, I suppose. One of the things that we did arrive at as a commonality was, as Cathy said, that we were having trouble accepting other peopleís belief systems and their creation of their reality. And I think that you said that this was a translation of being unwilling, or a response to change?

ELIAS: An unfamiliarity.

VICKI: With change?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: And so would this be connected to the same thing that Drew brought up with this wave of change that we talked about a week or two ago?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: This is all continuing. It seemed to me that a lot of this had to do with direct counterpart action between Mary and I too. Am I way off base on that?

ELIAS: No, you are correct.

VICKI: This would be an element?

ELIAS: Yes, and also an element with Lawrence and Shynla.

VICKI: Within counterpart action?

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: One thing that I noticed all week was that within interaction with David, my physical manifestation was less. It became obvious to me after a few days that there was a direct affectingness within direct objective interaction, and Iím not quite sure how to interpret that, except it kind of seems contradictory to me. Because if the manifestation has to do with change ... of course, a lot of the things that David and I have talked about have been change ... it almost seems logical to me that my physical manifestation would have been more intense or stronger or more painful during those conversations.

ELIAS: A replacement of familiar energy ... (Staring at Vic)

VICKI: Oh. (Pause)

ELIAS: ... within the incorporation of the fifth point.

VICKI: Okay, alright. (Pause) So I find that today my physical manifestation is almost nil. Itís still there, but itís almost nil, and I am confused about how to interpret that!

ELIAS: The moving back of the five points. I shall elaborate upon this subject later.

VICKI: Okay.

DAVID: Can I just jump in there? I donít want to go into detail yet about this dream I was going to tell you about that happened to me about fourteen years ago. I had a vivid, vivid dream about these five points, I think, and I just want to know if youíre picking up what Iím trying to say. Is that in relation to that dream?


DAVID: Thank you.

ELIAS: We shall be elaborating upon the pyramid action. Therefore, you shall not be confused or feeling that you are missing information, but this shall be requiring of some time period. Therefore, I shall be devoting a session to this pyramid.

VICKI: Okay. Also, in attempting to do some more remembering, a question for Mary. Sheís curious if her impression regarding a focus of her essence within your final manifestation that sheís never verbalized before is a correct impression?

ELIAS: Yes. And your impression, Mylo, is also correct, in that the manifestation of the physical individual you may identify as yourself; for within that particular time period of physical focus, the fragmentation was not accomplished.

VICKI: Okay. So, another question. Iím just going to phrase this rather vaguely because I donít want to be taking away somebody elseís remembering, okay? Thatís the way it feels to me. But I had my own impressions yesterday of a person that was focused in this same time period that was a writer, and these impressions were pretty much ... I got more imagery from Mary about it, and Iím connecting this particular connection to David also, and Iím curious if thatís a correct interpretation?

ELIAS: The return of Sherlock Holmes! (Laughter) Correct. (Talk about spilling the beans!)

VICKI: Okay, cool! And just another question regarding some of the stuff Drew was talking about tonight, about recurring imagery associated with oneís issues, shall we say. This has always been a confusing area. I had my own experience in this area last year with my stopping of taking medication, and feeling within a very strong knowing that this was okay and I was trusting myself and blah blah blah, and I do understand that of course I hadnít completed a lot of the action associated with that.

ELIAS: Quite.

VICKI: The question is, and I think Drew has the same question, is that what is hard to figure out is that feeling.

ELIAS: I have expressed to you that you are not not accomplishing. You are merely skipping shells, and within your thought process you are misinterpreting and thinking that you have moved entirely through your issues, but I have offered to you both to be examining of specifics -- specific belief systems Ė which when questioned, you express honestly, no, you have not accomplished addressing to these belief systems and actions as has been suggested to you. You have not viewed another focus within another dimension. There are belief systems that you continue to hold quite strongly to, and know that you hold strongly to these. This is not to suggest that you do not move and that you may not be acknowledging of yourself within this movement, for this is important.

VICKI: Well, you know, I think I kind of get that partially. What I donít understand is this very strong feeling that you get sometimes, that you really feel like you know something. And then you donít know if you can trust that!

ELIAS: Why would you not trust this? It is of you!

VICKI: Well, because quite often the imagery comes back!

ELIAS: It matters not! Be not focusing upon what you view to be a failure or negative or lack of accomplishment, which your attention moves to automatically.

RON: A brief pause for tape change!

ELIAS: You may continue, Lawrence!

BREAK 9:14 PM.
RESUME 9:16 PM. (Time was one second)

ELIAS: Continue, Lawrence.

VICKI: Well, I guess I just donít really understand when you should trust what you think you know. It gets confusing when you really feel strongly about something and you think you know something. Is that just because itís attached to a pretty strong belief system, that knowing?

ELIAS: Do not be discounting of your knowing!

DREW: I think that part of the frustration is that we look for validation of our feelings through ...

ELIAS: Which shall come as you continue to be accepting. You are invalidating your accomplishment and your movement, in doubting your knowing and postponing your validation.

VICKI: But Iím talking about the times when youíre NOT doubting your knowing!

ELIAS: You ARE doubting your knowing or you would not be speaking in this manner! You would be accepting of the knowing, regardless of the imagery that you may create to be attaining your attention that you have not completed the movement.

VICKI: Okay, I kind of understand that.

DAVID: So in fact I had a similar experience with regards to what youíre trying to say. Was what I was feeling or picking up with regards to Drew all week that I expressed to Vicki as a knowing or a feeling, was I correct?


BOB#1: So are you saying that Vicki knows, and for a time no longer manifests what she thinks she used to manifest? And then she sort of throws that back at herself ...


BOB#1: ... just to bring herself into question?

ELIAS: No. She has not completed the movement through the issue.

BOB#1: But she didnít recreate the manifestation ...


BOB#1: ... in order to make a point to herself that she hadnít accepted it?

ELIAS: Movement has occurred, but the completion of the movement has not occurred.

BOB#1: Just simply not occurred.

ELIAS: As of yet.

BOB#1: Okay.

ELIAS: (To Vic) In this, acknowledge the feeling of the knowing, for it is reality; but recognize that you also offer what you will pay attention to, in suggesting to you that the issue is not completely moved through.

VICKI: So basically, donít judge the imagery.

ELIAS: Quite!

DREW: Is this also ... Iím sorry. Were you going to continue?

ELIAS: (To Vic, very firmly) Do not judge the imagery and do not place a negative upon this. Recognize this as your own communication to you, to continue with your attention. And do not be discounting of your accomplishment and your movement, for this neutralizes your acceptance of self and invalidates you!

DREW: Is there a little bit of misinterpretation on our part? When we have this feeling, we believe that we have moved through the issue, when in fact it is movement but not a completion of movement?

ELIAS: Correct.

DREW: And so we get this feeling and we feel, if youíll excuse the expression, good about it, but donít understand that thereís more to come, and therefore feel that this good feeling indicates a completion, when in fact itís just some movement.

ELIAS: You are forgetful ... Excuse. Let me address to ďsome movement!Ē It is not just merely some movement, as if it is unimportant! You are forgetful of information which has been offered to you. Information has been offered to you of those aspects to be examining, and as you create movement and hold a recognition and knowing of this movement and you allow yourself acknowledgment and you feel good about this, which you should within your objective creating, you forget the elements that you have not accomplished completely. You forget the information which has been offered to you that you have not allowed yourself to be completely moving through yet. This is not to be discounting of the movement that you have accomplished! Why must you do this to yourselves??? (Laughter)

DREW: Itís your fault! (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ah! Elias shall hold personal responsibility for you all!

VICKI: I would like to ask also, what was the nature of the specific counterpart action between Cathy and I?

ELIAS: I have expressed to you from the onset of the interaction of Shynla that within this focus, Shynla aligns more strongly with Lawrence. In your terms, recently Shynla has allowed a re-incorporation as a remembrance of other focuses, of a realignment more strongly with Michael subjectively, and creating similar imagery and experiencing subjectively paralleling back and forth. In this, presently the movement has realigned with Lawrence, which is more in alignment of intent within this focus and the action of the pyramid.

VICKI: Okay. One more silly little question: There was a lot of imagery last Wednesday of things not working, and physically focused movement getting stopped and put off until the very, very, very last minute!

ELIAS: Quite obvious, would you not express?

VICKI: I really donít get it! Ron and I talked about it. We explored it for some time and we were just kind of mystified, although there was frustration on the part of some of the other people involved that were also feeling blocked.

ELIAS: And in the final moments and the push-coming-to-shove, the movement was accomplished. (Pause) For some individuals this was drawn to, to be viewed in opposition to the method that you choose to be creating your reality and an opportunity to be viewing and accepting of all creations of reality within all individuals, regardless of your choices. For other individuals, it was an accomplishment of moving through issues of personal responsibility.

VICKI: Okay. I have some questions for Sarah.

ELIAS: Quite.

VICKI: The first question is for her fiancť. Erin would like to connect himself with the Vold family.

ELIAS: Correct.

VICKI: For Sarah: ďWhy am I so hung up on my self-worth revolving around the appearance of my physical body?Ē

ELIAS: Zuli. (Smiling, and a pause)

VICKI: Okay, I can talk to her about this. ďWhy do I get so annoyed and cranky with what appear to be really mild annoyances?Ē

ELIAS: This being the same as was expressed with Candace, in a response to the movement within this shift.

VICKI: Okay. Sarah is going back to school in the fall, to college, but sheís confused about if this particular choice is a beneficial choice for her. In other words, is she crossing the street in this move, or is she going around the country to cross the street?

ELIAS: Not around the country, but not directly across the street. But this is her choice. Not the most efficient, but not the least efficient.

VICKI: Well, she has some doubts about it and wonders why sheís doing it. Sheís wondering if it has to do with a control issue and a desire to be financially secure, but also realizing that this isnít really necessary.

ELIAS: Quite; which is an attachment to belief systems which are being allowed to objectify presently.

VICKI: Okay, one last question for her. Sheís been near-sighted her whole life, and sheís wondering if this is an alignment with genetic encoding, or if thereís more to it.

ELIAS: Quite often individuals create visual dysfunctioning as imagery symbolically of viewing selectively.

VICKI: Sheís aware of that, and sheís wondering if thatís the deal.


VICKI: Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

We shall be discontinuing this evening, and I shall be offering an extra session as a pyramid session for these issues to be addressed. And I shall be expressing quite lovingly to you all this evening great affection, and projecting to you all energy of this affection this evening. In this, I bid you all au revoir!

Elias departs at 9:32 PM.

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