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Thursday, October 28, 1999

<  Session 495 (Private/Phone)  >

“Redefining Healing”

“Personal Responsibility Issues”

Participants: Mary (Michael), Jene (Rudim/Rudy), and Mike (Mikah).

Vic’s note: This is a split session, with Jene in the first half and Mike in the second, but it felt like one session. So, I decided to create one transcript rather than two.

Elias arrives at 12:33 PM. (Arrival time is 15 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning, Rudy!

JENE: Good morning, Elias!

ELIAS: We meet again!

JENE: Yes, we do! I am always so excited to talk to you!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

JENE: (Laughing) And to acknowledge you when you are giving us hints and sending such warm and healing and loving energy. (Elias chuckles) And putting up with my railing and stomping and screaming!

ELIAS: Ah, and this would be quite usual! (Grinning)

JENE: (Laughing) Yes, it’s quite usual, isn’t it? (Elias chuckles)

I was just having quite an extensive conversation with Mary, and I was wondering, would you just validate for me my interpretation of my connections with George and Steven and Robert? Was that a correct past focus association with those commanders?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JENE: Thank you. Wow. And the conversation as to the viewing of the mirroring of belief systems associated with the individuals that I was working with? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JENE: Thank you. Did I complete, for me, a completion in objective participation with these individuals, including Michelle?

ELIAS: Completion is quite a strong term, and offers a suggestion of a discontinuation futurely of any interaction.

In this, I may express to you that this type of terminology may be extreme, for you may be interactive with some of these individuals futurely; although in your recognition and movement in this area, concerning the belief systems held in these situations, you may allow yourself the opportunity to be interactive differently, which may be quite affecting.

JENE: Oh, great. Oh, wonderful! Thank you. I was kind of hoping that it wouldn’t be over, or a completion. I was just curious, and thank you again.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

JENE: Now, the last time we spoke, we kind of left off any objective or subjective information on Quick-Clean for another time, and my question being, is this creation a distraction for myself, and do I need to express the production of this product and not leave it in the hands of other individuals in order for it to manifest within this reality and time frame?

ELIAS: The situation is not in actuality a distraction, so to speak.

This also is a presentment that you have created as an opportunity with yourself, in allowing yourself to view certain directions that you move into and the beliefs associated with those directions and the motivation which is created as influenced by those beliefs.

Now; in this, you also offer yourself the opportunity to view yourself, your behavior, and automatic directions that you choose repeatedly. This is a repeated action.

This is not the first or initial time framework in which you have moved in this similar type of direction, but within this time framework, you have created a line of probabilities, that you may view throughout each step, so to speak, how you are creating, what you are creating, why you are creating each movement, the motivation which lies beneath your movement, and also your placement of obstacles, for this is an important point.

JENE: Okay.

ELIAS: And in this, you allow yourself to view the beliefs or the aspects of the belief systems that all interplay in your creation of these types of lines of probabilities.

Let us examine your movement in this repetition of these types of lines of probabilities, in which you consistently create elements of frustration and a very reinforcing avenue within yourself to be continuing to discount yourself.

A key element in this type of creation of lines of probabilities is a repeat action in which you offer yourself another opportunity to be moving into a trust of your own abilities; not of actions or circumstances outside of you and not of the creations of other individuals, but of your own creations and of your own abilities to manipulate energy in a manner that is beneficial to you.

Therefore, what I am expressing to you [is], you and I have entered into discussions from the onset of our objective interaction and have continued discussions throughout all of our interactions objectively, in which I continue to direct your attention back to the base element of the trust of self, for this is the largest area of affectingness within you individually – that you automatically create probabilities that shall offer you an opportunity to be examining and noticing, but also offer you a very clear avenue to be automatically discounting of yourself.

For you may move in these directions and you do not notice all that you are participating in and all that you – YOU, Rudy – are creating. And therefore, as the probabilities play out, so to speak, and are inserted into your official reality objectively, you express to yourself repeatedly, “Another failed effort.”

JENE: Hmm.

ELIAS: And this creates an automatic expression within yourself to be discounting of yourself and to not be trusting your ability to be creating what you want.

JENE: Whew! Okay, that’s wonderful. Thank you. Subjectively and objectively, where did this entangled distrust of myself – me, Rudy, me, Jene – come from? On an objective level intellectually, there are times when I am so involved in understanding the creation and manifestation of all you’ve just relayed to me, and at other moments, I’m immersed in the discounting and distrusting of self, and fear and aloneness, so to speak.

ELIAS: Quite. You have been engaged in this type of creation for much of this focus.

JENE: Yes.

ELIAS: Now; in this, be remembering of our discussions in the area and subject matter of healing.

In this, I have been expressing to you for much time framework that you hold a great ability to be offering instruction, so to speak – or what I have termed to be a didactic ability – in interaction with other individuals in the area of healing.

A tremendous element of that expression is a movement in conjunction with your discovery objectively of your own abilities and your own movement into trust and acceptance of self.

Now; this has been quite purposeful, and I shall express to you that I have held recognition of this movement that you have created throughout your focus presently from before our objective meeting, and this be the reason that I offered to you, immediately upon our objective engagement, information in this direction and have continued to be encouraging of you in this area.

In this particular focus, you have chosen a pool of probabilities that you have actualized many lines of probabilities within quite purposefully. You have created a direction in this focus to be intensely experiencing certain elements of fear, certain elements of movement in creating probabilities that you insert into your objective reality that do not necessarily move in the direction that you objectively want.

These have been very purposeful experiences, for in this, you are offering yourself the purity and the genuineness of certain types of experiences that many, many, many other individuals also create, but the reasons are different.

Many individuals create what you objectively look to as failures. Many individuals create lines of probabilities in which they express an objective want – Mikah is one of these individuals – but what they objectively want is not necessarily in alignment with their intent. Or, they objectively want certain manifestations for they view these wants to be the creation or the manifestation of ease within their focus, and they are distracted, and they do not view self in these objective wants. Many individuals move within their objective focus, and experience tremendous manifestations of fear for many, many different reasons.

Now; you within your focus have created certain lines of probabilities to be experiencing – in their purity – these similar types of actions, these similar types of movements and creations within probabilities, but for very different reasons.

Your reasons are not necessarily that you are moving in disharmony with your intent. You are not moving in disharmony with your intent. Your reasons are not necessarily that you wish to be creating of certain actions and certain gains within your individual focus for ease, so to speak. What YOU have created is many lines of probabilities that shall allow you the fullness of an understanding of what other individuals create.

JENE: Hmm.

ELIAS: And in this, as you allow yourself movement through the purity of the experience, you also experience all of the thoughts, all of the emotions, all of the objective movements that many other individuals experience in these types of creations.

Now; this offers you the opportunity to view your individual abilities, for all other individuals hold these same abilities, but they do not acknowledge these abilities objectively within themselves, and therefore they express the feeling that they are stuck. And how very many times have you expressed, “I am stuck?” For you are allowing yourself the recognition of the same experience that other individuals are creating.

I have expressed to you many times, you have a tremendous ability in the area of your empathic sense, but your interpretation of the information that I have offered to you moves in very objective terms and very immediate terms.

What I have expressed to you is far broader than you have allowed yourself to view to this point, but this is also quite purposeful, for you – within the probabilities that you have created and the method in which you allow yourself to move – have chosen to be creating repeatedly different types of experiences, and the experience of feeling stuck, and the experience of intensity of fear and immobilization, so to speak.

And in that creation, you have allowed yourself a frustration which motivates you to continue moving and allows you to create a type of movement THROUGH all of these creations, and once you are creating the movement through and experiencing each step that you create in the movement through, you also allow yourself the ability to be enacting that didactic quality which you hold, which shall serve you quite efficiently in the area of healing.

This idea, this concept of healing, is far broader than individuals objectively perceive, and I have been expressing this to you from the onset of our objective engagements. I have been continuously expressing to you individually that this action, this area of healing that you move into, is far greater than you see, for you have created an identification, a definition of healing in conjunction with mass belief systems, and this definition is far too narrow for the action that you move into.

In this, you also draw yourself to many different types of situations – and individuals – in which other individuals are experiencing confusion, frustration, irritation, blocking, feeling stuck, a lack of understanding objectively, a continuous discounting of themselves and their abilities, and the expression of powerlessness to be creating their reality in the manner that they choose.

All of these expressions are experiences that you have offered to yourself, and in this, you have offered these experiences to yourself, that you shall hold an experiential knowledge and understanding of what other individuals create, and as you hold not merely the understanding and not merely the knowing of the experience but the movement THROUGH the experiences, you also may offer information to other individuals objectively; not necessarily in offering a method, but in offering a reinforcement of energy and an encouragement and a type of supportiveness that shall be helpful to other individuals in their movement through very similar types of actions, very similar types of creations and probabilities.

JENE: That’s extensive!

ELIAS: You and I have spoken many times of responsibility. You and I have spoken many times of healing and of your abilities and of your intent, and of your movement in the area of acceptance and trust of self and how important these two elements are within this physical dimension, within every individual upon your planet.

JENE: We have. (Sighing)

ELIAS: And this is the movement that you are beginning to engage, and you are onslaughting yourself with probabilities and creations to be noticing and to be offering yourself repeated opportunities to engage your own trust and acceptance of self. For how shall you be offering this didactic ability that you hold to other individuals in the area of healing if you shall not also be creating of this?

You may not be offering helpfulness to another individual as the straight little sapling if you are creating your experiences in the direction of the convoluted little sapling. (Emphatic pause)

Therefore, as you allow yourself to be moving through these creations and recognizing your own expression of trust of self, and realizing REALISTICALLY that this in actuality IS the key to your objective manifestations, you also shall radiate this energy to many other individuals and you shall be creating the fullness of your intent.

But do not be discounting of yourself in response to this information either, for be reminding yourself that all that you have created thus far throughout your focus has been quite purposeful!

JENE: (Whispering) Okay.

ELIAS: They are not mistakes. They are not accidents. They are not failures. They are quite purposeful experiences that shall offer you a much fuller ability in the accomplishment of your individual intent.

JENE: (Whispering) Wonderful. Thank you so much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, Rudy, and I continue to be encouraging of you and I shall continue to be interactive with you in helpfulness as you continue to move in your direction of fullness within your intent, for it IS quite affecting.

JENE: (Still whispering) Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

JENE: (Emotionally) Thank you for your acceptance.

ELIAS: As always, for what shall I not be accepting of?

JENE: (Emotionally) Of course, and you can feel my love.

ELIAS: Quite.

JENE: Thank you so very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

JENE: It’s Mikah’s turn. I will get him.

ELIAS: I offer great lovingness to you, and we shall engage again.

JENE: Yes, we shall. I look so forward to seeing you soon. Hold on just one moment.

ELIAS: Very well. (Pause)

MIKE: Hello!

ELIAS: Good morning, Mikah!

MIKE: Good morning!

ELIAS: We meet again! And what....

MIKE: I’d ask how you are, but I think I know the answer!

ELIAS: And you do! And what be the manifestation this day?

MIKE: Oh ... heh heh heh.


MIKE: I do have three questions for Candace real quick.

One, she would like to know what color would be associated with the vibrational quality of her essence. (Pause)

ELIAS: This would be what you may term as an orchid purple.

MIKE: Okay, and what about a musical note? (Pause)

ELIAS: Musical note in sound quality, G.


ELIAS: Correct.

MIKE: Okay, alright. She has another question, but I don’t think she knows exactly how to frame the question. She wanted me to ask, what is her favorite color? (Elias laughs, and there is a pause)

ELIAS: This would be the expression of not necessarily her favorite color in objective terms, for the color that she holds in preference or favor, she already holds an objective knowing of. I shall express to her that within a vibrational quality, the association of a color which offers the transmission of connection through energy – mind you, this is the vibrational quality, which translates objectively within your physical dimension into a color – is red.

MIKE: Red?


MIKE: Okay, and one more off-the-wall question: I would like to know which energy centers affect or can be used to speed up metabolism.

ELIAS: You may be engaging your blue energy center, and you may be moving energy with that energy center in conjunction with the pink energy center, and this may be affecting.

MIKE: Okay. Would it be a thing of speeding, like speeding them up?

ELIAS: This would be a situation in which you would be directing the energy of the blue energy center in conjunction with energy of the pink energy center to your glandular system, and as you direct energy in this manner, you may be infusing, so to speak, these energies into your glandular system, and this shall be affecting. You may be accomplishing this through visualization if you are so choosing, and you may allow yourself the recognition of a physical affectingness.

This is not a creation of spinning or rotating the energy centers more rapidly, but directing energy from those energy centers to specific areas of your physical body.

MIKE: Okay, alright. Now, I would like to ask you, if you will so indulge me with an answer without a specific question in mind, (Elias grins) what is it that’s been affecting my reality so much that I’ve been employing questions that are distracting? What is it that ... you know.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) You are quite distracted, are you not?

MIKE: Yes, I am! (They both laugh)

ELIAS: To the point that you may not even formulate your question!

MIKE: Exactly! (They both laugh)

ELIAS: I shall express to you that you have allowed yourself to move into an area of much confusion, and in this, be remembering of our discussion of your steps into the expression of acceptance.

Now; as you have allowed yourself, to a point, to move into step two – the recognition and identification of certain aspects of belief systems that you engage and that you align with and that you manifest behaviors and movements within – you have also moved into a position, so to speak, of confusion, for you have temporarily allowed yourself to be recognizing and identifying certain aspects of beliefs, but you have also moved your attention into an analyzation of those aspects to the point that you have created a confusion within yourself.

Therefore, what you have also created is a type of little whirlwind within yourself, and you within your attention have placed yourself quite in the middle of this whirlwind, and you may figuratively visualize yourself as sitting within the eye of this whirlwind and continuing to view it moving all about you, but not quite recognizing any particular individual movement, merely just the entire movement, which appears overwhelming and confusing, and therefore you have chosen to continue sitting within the middle. (Chuckling)

MIKE: Yes!

ELIAS: Now; let me also express to you that this action is common. This, within the movement of identifying and recognizing aspects of belief systems, is a temporary situation, and it is also quite commonly experienced. For as you begin to view one aspect, your attention moves to another aspect, and then to another, and then to another, and soon you experience an overwhelmingness in which you are expressing to yourself, “I know not which direction I shall pursue and which direction I shall hold my attention in, and I know not what to be creating in conjunction with ANY of these aspects! Shall I feed these birds or shall I starve these birds? Shall I be creating movement amongst them or shall I be quiet amongst them?”

And in this, you become overwhelmed, and therefore you discontinue your movement and you sit in amazement!

I express to you that you shall allow yourself movement, and distraction is not necessarily a negative. At times you may be distracting of yourself, for you ARE experiencing an overwhelming feeling.

Therefore, I express to you once again, you are pushing upon yourself and you are not allowing yourself to relax, and if you are allowing yourself to be relaxing, you shall also discontinue this feeling of overwhelmingness and confusion, and in that movement, you shall allow yourself more clarity.

Let me express to you, Mikah, you hold a tremendous expression of personal responsibility, and as you allow yourself to turn your attention to this expression of personal responsibility, and allow yourself to be relaxing and not continuously pushing so very intensely upon yourself in this area of personal responsibility, you shall also offer yourself much more clarity.

MIKE: Okay. So pretty much, the only way to be relaxing ... what area am I holding personal responsibility in? I mean, I don’t even know anymore. Where am I holding this personal responsibility?

ELIAS: (Firmly) You hold personal responsibility in the direction of any and all individuals that you encounter and you choose to be establishing any type of relationship with.

MIKE: Oh geez!

ELIAS: You also hold a tremendous expression of personal responsibility in the area of relationships of family.


ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! Let me express to you, Mikah, YOU create your reality, period! YOU create your choices, period! Other individuals create their choices and their reality, period! You do not create other individuals’ reality, period! You do not hold responsibility for the creation of other individuals’ reality, period! Are we understanding each other??

MIKE: Yes. (Laughing)

ELIAS: HA HA HA HA! (Grinning)

MIKE: So, that’s pretty much the only way to be relaxing myself then, is to start letting go of this personal responsibility?

ELIAS: You may be allowing yourself to relax, and that shall be influencing of your letting go of these expressions of personal responsibility.

Let me also express to you that this is a very STRONG expression. This is a very common creation within your physical dimension, and it holds a tremendous expression of energy. Therefore, I hold the awareness of the difficulty that is associated with the action of moving through this issue. Therefore, I am not expressing to you that I hold an expectation that you shall immediately disengage this action, or that you may be expecting within yourself that you shall immediately be disengaging this action.

What I AM expressing to you is that you may be allowing yourself to be noticing each time, in the moment, when you are experiencing or expressing personal responsibility in conjunction with another individual, and in that moment, allow yourself to relax. Allow yourself the recognition that this is what you are experiencing, what you are creating ... and do not be discounting of yourself!

I am not expressing to you that you create a noticing and express to yourself, “Ah! I am noticing, within this moment, I am assuming personal responsibility for this individual. Very bad bad bad!” No! Merely be recognizing.

Notice how you are automatically moving into that expression and recognize how it is affecting, of yourself, of your behavior, of your expressions, and in that, allow yourself to relax and offer yourself permission, merely within the moment, to STOP. As you allow yourself to practice with this type of exercise, you shall also allow yourself more and more of a relaxation.

(Intently) Not holding personal responsibility for another individual is not synonymous with not caring.

You may be quite interactive with other individuals. You may be expressing the fullness of emotion in conjunction with other individuals, that which you identify in physical focus as caring and loving and compassion. You may be expressing and experiencing all of these elements and NOT be expressing personal responsibility. (Pause)

Let me also express to you, Mikah, a statement that I suggest that you allow yourself to ponder quite seriously: There is absolutely no element within your reality that is broken – not yourself, not other individuals, not situations, not circumstances, not actions, not feelings, not emotions, not thoughts. No thing within your reality is broken. No thing within any other individual’s reality is broken. Therefore, there is no element within your reality which needs be fixed, and there are no mistakes.

Therefore, each action that is created by yourself, by other individuals, each action is quite purposeful. You may not hold an objective understanding of all of the actions that are created within your objective reality in conjunction with other individuals, but they are all purposeful and they are not mistakes and they are not broken.

MIKE: Alright. I will ponder that, and I will most definitely keep that in mind in my interactions. (Elias chuckles) Okay. Is there anything else that I am distracting myself from, if I were to proceed with other off-the-wall questions?

ELIAS: You may proceed.

(Firmly) My message to you this day is to be looking to self and [to be] noticing, and to allow yourself to discontinue the intensity of pushing that you create within yourself. You push very hard, and the harder you push, the more obstacles you create.

MIKE: Okay. I suppose all of this, especially with the pushing, has been mirrored objectively by my overwhelming fatigue, and not even being able to get up some mornings.

ELIAS: Quite!

MIKE: Okay. Alright, kind of along those same lines, because this state of being is tremendously boring to a point ... I mean, it does have it’s good points. I get to set myself aside and really look at my reactions and interactions and whatsuch, but it does get boring, and I’ve been wanting so bad to be finding something to want to do, to be creating of a job that I would enjoy, and it seems that every time I come up with a brilliant idea of a place to work, I either get sick or the car breaks down or I miss the day to go in for like an interview or whatever, so it’s like even when I find a place that I may even consider, it doesn’t work out. So I was wondering, why?

ELIAS: This is also in conjunction with what we are discussing this day, and this issue of personal responsibility and this pushing that you create within yourself.

How may you engage a direction that shall be fun and pleasurable within yourself, and how may you identify what that direction is, while you are holding your attention so very intensely outside of yourself?

Your attention moves in the direction of responsibility in conjunction to other individuals and what they are creating within their reality. Your attention moves in the direction of your responsibility as an individual in conjunction to other individuals.

And as you continue to be viewing and holding your attention in the direction of other individuals, how shall you be creating what YOU wish to be creating?

You are not paying attention to your own voice, and in the moments that you DO pay attention to your own voice and you DO begin movement in response to your voice, you thwart your own efforts in creating obstacles for yourself, that you may continue to be pushing yourself in the direction of personal responsibility in conjunction to other individuals. (Pause)

This is expressed quite simply in the differences between the “wants” and the “shoulds,” and the identification that the “wants” are not necessarily good or responsible, and the “shoulds” are.

MIKE: Hmm. That’s a good one to ponder. Okay, well, may I ask a crystal ball question?

ELIAS: HA HA! I have been offered an objective, physical crystal ball, and I have already expressed to the individuals that have presented myself with this gift that it is defective! HA HA HA HA! Therefore, you may be inquiring, and I shall express to you that the crystal ball is defective! Therefore, I shall not be expressing responsibility for the response! HA HA HA HA!

MIKE: (Cracking up) Okay. Well, in the direction I’m moving, am I gonna be eventually, soon, drumming up some sort of direction that I’ll be enjoying, like an occupation or a job that I’ll be enjoying?

ELIAS: This is dependent upon your movement, and this is dependent upon what you choose to be noticing and how you choose to be moving through these issues, and letting go of some of the aspects of these issues and whether you shall allow yourself permission to be creating of that type of probability, for presently you are not offering yourself that permission.

Therefore, I express to you, this is not a crystal ball question. This is a question that you may present to yourself, and whether you are willing to be offering yourself the choice to be giving yourself permission to move.

MIKE: Hmm. Alright. Okay, okay. Alright, I have one more off-the-wall question, because I think my time is up. This one IS a crystal ball question. (Elias laughs) With regard to my trip to Australia, I’ve been getting a lot of cruise-line imagery and I don’t know how to interpret it, because at times Australia comes to my mind when the imagery is presented. And so I was wondering if a cruise is going to be involved with my trip, or will I be interactive with a cruise-line industry of some sort or something?

ELIAS: Ah, you are getting closer! I express to you that this is imagery that you are presenting to yourself in offering yourself different avenues, different types of choices.

You have been previously expressing to yourself a wish to be moving in this direction and to be creating of this trip, so to speak, but you also view that this trip may be quite difficult for you to be creating. In actuality, it may not be quite as difficult as you have previously viewed.

You yourself are offering yourself new ideas, so to speak. You are offering yourself imagery that you may translate into different avenues of different types of choices to be accomplishing what you seek. You have a direction that you wish to be actualizing, and you are allowing yourself the presentment of imagery to be offering you new ideas and new avenues, different types of choices – not black and white choices – of how you may creatively accomplish this direction.

MIKE: Hmm. Okay, so I didn’t uncreate my trip, right?


MIKE: Okay. Well, I think that’s all I have time for today. I got myself in trouble last time, so I won’t go over again today!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I am quite sure that you have not presented yourself with trouble! This is merely your interpretation.

I express to you encouragement to be continuing to notice. Do not be discounting of yourself and your creation of imagery and your ability to be connecting with that imagery. You ARE offering yourself avenues.

In this, be remembering, relax. Do not hold so very tightly to your expectations of yourself and to your energy in the “shoulds” of your reality. (Chuckling)

I offer to you much affection this day, my friend, and I shall offer to you energy that shall be lending an expression of encouragement to you futurely. I anticipate our next meeting, and express to you this day very lovingly, au revoir.

MIKE: Thank you.

Elias departs at 1:45 PM.

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