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Tuesday, December 21, 1999

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“Acceptance and Emotion”

“The Desire for Intimacy”

“The Simplicity of Reality”

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Marcos (Marta).

Elias arrives at 12:37 PM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning, my friend!

MARCOS: (Without much energy) Good morning, Elias, a very good morning to you. (Elias chuckles) I have some questions for you which I’ve been wanting to ask for some time. I’d like to get started, if I may.

ELIAS: You may.

MARCOS: Thank you.

First, the obvious one. I seem to have created a very bad cold, and for some reason, I think I don’t want to get rid of it. Things like getting things off my chest and a congested head and things like that come to mind, but it’s lasted longer than usual. It’s been almost a week now. Can you help me out on this?

ELIAS: Ha ha! And your statement is correct, for this may be obvious to you, why you are creating this particular physical affectingness within this time framework.

First of all, one obvious explanation for your present creation is that you are expressing to yourself a stopping of your activity, which were you to not be incorporating this type of immobility, you would not be listening to your inner self, as you are aware, and you would not be stopping, for you push yourself quite efficiently, do you not?


ELIAS: Also, one other obvious reason that you are creating this particular physical affectingness within this particular time framework is an outward expression of inward struggle.

Inwardly, you create a struggle within yourself of division and cloudedness in your choices and your issue in the area of personal responsibility, and in this, you assume personal responsibility with your daughter and you are incorporating some elements of conflict in relation to family issues.

Therefore, this being the expression of a particular time framework which within mass beliefs is the bringing together and celebration with family and individuals that you hold closeness and relationships [with], you incorporate struggle in your choice to be moving into physical location of one family and not physical location of another family.

MARCOS: Okay, that was very clear. I thought that was very close. Somehow, though, it seems that I want to create new experiences, because I even thought of just spending time by myself these days.

ELIAS: Quite, and this is the element of your expression to yourself to be stopping.

MARCOS: Right, okay. Thank you for that validation.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

MARCOS: Another question is about a dream I had, which is tied to some other experiences I go through periodically. But I had a dream about a month ago where I was protecting one of Mexico’s presidential candidates from getting assassinated, and as we went into this very large house, I left him. I dropped him off in a room where he was safe, and then I went off to a different room and I started crying, and I just cried and cried and I couldn’t stop, and I heard myself saying, “I don’t know if I will be able to go through with this,” or something like that. Could you please explain that one to me?

ELIAS: Yes. Now; this is imagery that you present to yourself in relation to choices that other individuals engage and your inability to be altering those choices. As we have discussed previously, this is a struggle that you engage inwardly in many different directions with respect to different individuals and yourself.

In this, you are offering to yourself a recognition that regardless of how you may participate in different scenarios physically with other individuals, and regardless of the efforts that you extend to be safeguarding or influencing the interactions and the scenarios that other individuals participate within, you may be helpful or influencing only to the point in which another individual allows, in objective terms.

This has been an ongoing struggle within you, and you have been presenting yourself with different types of imagery – and dream imagery also – to be emphasizing to yourself this point: that you shall be incorporating much less conflict and much less of a sorrowful expression within self as you allow yourself to begin viewing self and turning your attention to your choices, regardless of the choices of other individuals.

Now; let me also express to you, this is not to say that you may not incorporate thoughts or opinions or feelings with respect to the choices of other individuals, but the conflict shall be eliminated and the struggle shall be eliminated and the limitation of self shall be eliminated as you allow yourself to turn your attention.

This is a subject matter that we continue to engage together, for within certain moments, you allow yourself a temporary movement in this manner and allow yourself to be moving your attention to self, but you discontinue that action and you turn your attention once again outside of self and hold your attention in the direction of other individuals, as you begin to incorporate thoughts, feelings, and opinions as to the other individual’s choices.

This is significant, for I am expressing to you that you may continue in these natural expressions. They do not create the conflict. You may continue with these expressions and also not incorporate the struggle or the conflict as you recognize that your attention may be held with self, and this creates the allowance within yourself for the acceptance of the choices of other individuals.

Are you understanding?

MARCOS: Yes I am, Elias. Thank you. I think I just need to work more on this. I think you have incorporated some slightly different information this time, but I think it does go back to the same root of this inner struggle which I’ve created, and it’s not movement, correct?

ELIAS: You are allowing yourself the incorporation of some movement, but where you are incorporating difficulty and confusion is in your definition of how you may be accepting, and therefore, as your definition is a misunderstanding, you also perpetuate this movement in discounting of self and expressing to yourself that you are not incorporating movement at all.

Your identification of the acceptance is that if you are accepting of the choices of other individuals and if you are accepting of self, you shall be eliminating the feelings that you may incorporate in response or in conjunction with different choices, and this is not the situation. This is an incorrect definition.

The acceptance is the recognition that the choices are merely choices, and that it matters not which choices are incorporated by any individual in any situation.

This is not to say that you shall discontinue your opinion or your thoughts or your feelings. You may be incorporating emotion, and simultaneously be accepting.

You may be viewing another individual’s choice and you may incorporate the emotion of sadness, as you also may incorporate the emotion of happiness. This is not an automatic expression of judgment.

This is where the confusion lies, in that you are placing judgment upon the emotions and the thoughts which are creating of the opinions, and in this, you assess that there is no acceptance. Therefore, you move yourself into a box, so to speak, in which you hold yourself so very tightly that you allow yourself no space for movement.

For in this, you associate emotions with judgment. Emotions are a natural expression in this physical focus. They are not necessarily an expression of judgment, and may be incorporated simultaneous to an acceptance.

I have stated from the onset of my discussions within this forum, to all of the individuals that I interact with, that you may continue to be holding opinions of your reality – AND within your beliefs – and be accepting of your beliefs.

The acceptance of your beliefs, the acceptance of self, is not the elimination of self or beliefs, and is also not the elimination of the base qualities of your physical reality, and the base qualities of your reality is that you create emotion, you create thought processes, and you create physical expressions of sexuality. These shall not discontinue for the reason that you are accepting of your beliefs or of self.

You shall continue to be creating expressions within your sexuality, within your emotions. You shall continue to create your reality incorporating thoughts and opinions. You shall continue to be assessing your experiences and all of the qualities of your reality in this physical dimension. But you may also incorporate a lack of judgment.

This judgment you place in much weightier measure upon self than you do in relation to other individuals, and this be the reason that I continue to express to you to be turning your attention to self, for other individuals are not creating your conflict. Other individuals and their choices are not creating your struggle. YOU are creating your struggle and your conflict in relation to your judgment upon self and your lack of allowance of yourself to be incorporating more of your own expression of freedom.

You lock yourself into this immobility within this box in the expression that you may not move without the movement of other individuals.

For as you move and as you may be interactive with other individuals, you may view their movement, and this is invoking within you thoughts and emotions, and you are automatically moving into a judgment of self that you incorporate those thoughts and those emotions, and in this, you assess that they are wrong, and subsequently you assess that you are not creating movement, and therefore you do not create movement, for you block your movement as you begin creating your judgments within your perception of self.

Do you view this circle?

MARCOS: (Sighing) Yes, I do, and you’re absolutely right on this judgment of self. I seem to get caught up in the circle of emotion, thought, and judgment of self, and it just goes around and around.

ELIAS: Let us view a very simple scenario that may be familiar to you within your memory.

We have engaged a conversation previously and we have incorporated interaction with Isabel also, and in the conversation and in the interaction between myself and Isabel, she has offered a scenario of fingernail-biting. (Reference session 245, 11/29/97)


ELIAS: Now; you may view the simplicity of this scenario as an obvious example of this circle that you automatically create.

Another individual whom you interact with objectively has presented a scenario to me and has requested information regarding this activity of fingernail-biting. I in turn offered a response to the inquiry in that situation. Subsequent to my response in the exchange between myself and Isabel – not between myself and you, not between you and Isabel, but between myself and Isabel – your automatic movement proceeded in the direction of turning your attention to Isabel and her actions and her choices, and your assessment of self and your automatic judgment of self that you have incorporated wrong action.


ELIAS: This is an automatic response that you create, and in this, you create an expression of discounting and devaluing – within your perception – yourself.

MARCOS: Right.

ELIAS: Therefore, your assessment is that you are not accepting of another individual and you are not accepting of another individual’s choices, and therefore this is bad and it is a lack of movement.

Now; I shall express to you a difference in viewing this scenario.

The presentment is offered to myself in exchange with Isabel. There is an inquiry offered and there is a response offered. You objectively participate in listening to this exchange between myself and Isabel.

Now; you also, in your participation in that listening, offer yourself the opportunity to be incorporating information – not judgment, information – that you may allow yourself to view your behaviors and your interaction with Isabel in conjunction with the discussion and the subject matter, and you may be offering yourself acknowledgment that you have drawn yourself to that forum to be allowing yourself more of an openness, to be incorporating information, and allowing yourself to view objective expressions that you incorporate, and in that noticing, you also open yourself to more of your freedom of different choices.

There need be no judgment incorporated, but merely a noticing and a recognition of expressions that have been engaged, an acceptance of those expressions and behaviors, and a recognition that you also are incorporating an activity and participating in an action which is – in the moment – opening you objectively to the incorporation of information and more of an allowance of acceptance of self in that moment and more freedom within your own choices, and this creates a natural byproduct in the acceptance of the expression and choices of the other individual.

Do you see objectively how you may turn your perception, and how you may be not incorporating the judgment of self, and how you may be incorporating the acceptance of self in a very simple example?

MARCOS: Yes, I do. It’s a very simple example, but it’s a very clear one, and it’s very, very helpful, Elias. I think what I get hung up on very much is the emotional part. Immediately with an emotion there comes a judgment, and if I’m understanding correctly, it doesn’t necessarily have to be that way.

ELIAS: You are correct. You may continue to be incorporating the emotional expressions.

Your confusion lies in that you associate and identify emotions as an automatic response OF judgment, for this is a creation that you have incorporated in which you do create an emotional response IN judgment, but they are not necessarily synonymous.

MARCOS: Right. That’s exactly right. Well, there’s certainly a lot to think about, but thank you for the information. It is very, very clear.

ELIAS: Now you may offer yourself a respite. Allow yourself to be incorporating an acceptance of what you have created physically, recognizing that you are offering to yourself a slowing of activity in which you may incorporate objective thoughtfulness and you may occupy your attention with you, and not be incorporating the distraction of busy-ness.

MARCOS: I know exactly what you mean, and thank you. I needed that, doctor!

ELIAS: Ha ha!

MARCOS: Maybe one or two quick questions, Elias, if I may?

ELIAS: You may.

MARCOS: Is there a root kind of problem? I seem to go back to a sense of loss. I seem to go back to an emptiness very deep within me. Is this in any way related to when my mother died when I was four years old, or am I missing something?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Ah! Interesting how you move yourself into an automatic expression of incorporating your psychological belief systems! Ha ha ha! I express to you that you do not incorporate this sense or this feeling of void as a reaction or responsiveness, so to speak, to the disengagement of your mother.

But within your focus, you have incorporated, for what may be termed many, many, many years, a desire which translates objectively into an expression of a tremendous want to be objectively creating an intimacy with another individual in which you look for an expression of acceptance and nurturing.

Now; I have expressed to you previously that you may draw this to yourself as you begin to offer this to yourself first, for in your offering of this to yourself, you shall also be radiating that energy outwardly, and this shall be the draw which shall incorporate the energy of another individual, for you shall draw to yourself what you project in energy.

MARCOS: That’s beautifully said. I’ve often thought of this, and I think that I have been turning more to taking care of myself than I have in the past, and I keep thinking about what you said, that at least in my case, my soul mate is myself.

ELIAS: In one respect, you are quite correct, and in response to your assessment that you have been allowing yourself more attention in incorporating yourself, you are correct also.

What I am expressing to you, Marta, is that you, within this focus, incorporate a strong desire underlyingly, in energy, in which you move in the direction of incorporating this type of intimacy in relationship also with another individual objectively.

This, I shall express to you, is quite natural. This, as I have expressed previously, is a natural movement within this physical dimension as an expression of essence.

This be the reason that you collectively incorporate your ideas or your philosophies of soul mates and split-aparts, for these are your objective expressions or translations of a natural movement within your expressions as you manifest physically within this dimension.

This is the knowing of the lack of separation, which is translated objectively – in the expression of many individuals – in a tremendous movement in objective want for the incorporation of intimacy in individual relationships.

Not all individuals manifest within your physical dimension move in an intensity of this type of expression, although I shall express to you that all individuals in your physical dimension DO incorporate some type of objective expression of this desire. It is merely translated objectively in different manners.

Some individuals may incorporate this desire in the objective translation of an intimate relationship with God. Some may incorporate this as an intimate relationship in consciousness or an intimate relationship with masses within your world or an intimate relationship with one other individual – it matters not.

The underlying drive, so to speak, is a recognition of an expression of essence in the knowing of the lack of separation and the desire to be translating that in objective terms in some manner which appears to you objectively to defy the physical expression of separation.

You manifest in physical solid matter, in what appears to be singular expressions of individuals, singular bodies, singular manifestations of objects – things, so to speak, yourself also as an object of physical matter – and this creates an illusion of separation.

Therefore, in defiance of that illusion, you create an objective translation of the lack of separation, and move into the want of coupling yourselves with another expression of consciousness.

And in this, some individuals move in the direction of their translation in the manifestation of an intimate relationship with another physically focused individual, that which you identify as a split-apart or a soul mate.

You have held this want in conjunction with the desire for much of your focus, and I do not express to you any wrongness in this want. It is merely an objective translation of the desire, and you may be objectively creating of this as you allow yourself this type of relationship with self.

MARCOS: This is truly wonderful. This is incredible information. You make it sound so simple. I’ve been struggling with this issue and question for most of my life, and all of a sudden, I can see how all of this really makes sense in the context of all the information you’ve given me before. It truly is a wonderful, wonderful experience to talk to you, my friend. It is so incredibly helpful.

ELIAS: Let me express to you that as you recognize the wonder of self, other individuals shall also recognize the wonder of yourself! Ha ha!

As you allow yourself to be radiating this energy in illuminating yourself, you shall also allow yourself to draw yourself to other individuals, and you shall express yourself as a beacon to allow other individuals to SEE you, and therefore draw themselves to you.

MARCOS: This is a prescription that I will immediately begin to take and put into effect.

ELIAS: Let me also offer to you one other suggestion.

I express to you to be noticing and allowing yourself an awareness of the simplicity of movement, and that you need not be complicating and incorporating such analysis in all of your movements and all of your expressions, but allow yourself the noticing of the simplicity of your reality.

MARCOS: (Very quietly) Okay.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Recognize how very easily small ones incorporate simplicity. Recognize how Isabel is beginning the incorporation of complication now that she is moving into further years.


ELIAS: Allow yourself the expression of simplicity.

In this, temporarily you may allow yourself a further motivation to be turning your attention to self and to your incorporation of simplicity, in that you shall objectively offer an example and a reminder to Isabel in the incorporation of simplicity.

MARCOS: Absolutely.

ELIAS: You may offer to her an example in like manner to how she offers an example to you. It is not merely the expression of one offering to the other. (Chuckling)

MARCOS: I hear you. I hear you very, very loud and clear, and thank you once again.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend.

MARCOS: I have no more questions this day, Elias. There’s so much here to think about. I appreciate your words and your interaction with me, which has been very, very constant and daily. I see these huge waves of blue, of a brilliant blue, especially since I’ve had this cold, and I appreciate that interaction as well, very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friend, and I continue to be interactive with you always.

I offer to you great affection and much encouragement, in that you allow yourself to relax! (Chuckling)

MARCOS: I will certainly do that. Thank you very much.

ELIAS: Offer my greetings to Isabel, and also to Paul.

MARCOS: I will do that very gladly.

ELIAS: To you this day, my friend, carpe diem and au revoir!

MARCOS: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:33 PM.

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