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Wednesday, April 12, 2000

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ďWhat Happens After Transition?Ē

ďPlaying the Dead Mouse GameĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Vivien (Miriam).

Elias arrives at 11:40 AM. (Arrival time is 23 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

VIVIEN: Good morning, Elias! My, itís nice to speak with you again!

ELIAS: Ha ha! And you also!

VIVIEN: Well, today Iíve got quite a few things. Iíd like to start off, though, with my orientation. I think Iím common. Am I correct?


VIVIEN: And I think my husband is also common.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN: And my son James, I believe, also is common.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN: Okay. My mother, I believe, is soft. (Pause)


VIVIEN: Oh, I got it! Great! Thanks very much. (Elias laughs)

I wasnít sure about my mother. There was something about her, that because sheís so reclusive in her ways, I was wondering if she was intermediate, but no. Soft, okay. Thank you.

Another question: one of my focuses, my holocaust focus, Ruby, I just wanted to check; I donít think Iíve checked this with you before, but her family name, I believe, is Grabowski.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, and I shall interject that you have presented this to myself previously, although not within what you term to be conventional terms! Ha ha ha ha!

VIVIEN: Yes, I have asked you, when I have my little chats with you in my head, and I thought I heard you with the affirmative. I doubt myself still sometimes, but Iím getting better at it! (Elias laughs)

Iím getting better at listening to and hearing you, and hearing other things too! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) Opening up to a whole new world!

Okay, another focus. Iíve got a few focus questions, and some other connections.

One evening I heard a group of Irishmen talking Ė in my head, as usual Ė and I had an image of a man, a rather portly, amiable-looking man sitting in a pub having a pint of beer. I think heís a farmer, and I think heís a focus of mine by the name of either Patrick Flanagan or OíFlaherty. (Pause)

ELIAS: You are correct, although alter physical naming to OíFlatley.

VIVIEN: OíFlatley Ė I was pretty close, though! Great. Thank you. I believe his wife at that time was named Elizabeth.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Mary Elizabeth.

VIVIEN: Mary Elizabeth, okay. Is he a contemporary focus? I feel like heís sort of around now.

ELIAS: I shall express to you, the reason that you hold this sense within you is that this is an overlapping focus, so to speak; not quite within the duration of the same time framework as yourself, for this individual has created a focus prior to the time framework of your focus, but....

VIVIEN: Okay, did he die in 1956?


VIVIEN: (Laughing) Oh, thatís great! And he lived near Northern Ireland, not actuality in Northern Ireland, but close to Northern Ireland.


VIVIEN: Oh, very good. Iíll find out some more about him. Heís such an amiable sort of person, very sort of a gentle kind of soul, not a very ... well, to me, it doesnít seem like a very interesting life, but a contented kind of life. (Elias laughs) Is that correct?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN: Okay, thank you. He was a farmer, right?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

VIVIEN: Okay. Another focus Iíve connected with, and Iíve actually already checked with the entity who is known as C9, and she and I were sisters in China, and as those sisters, we looked after a jade collection, and I want to check a couple of other details about that life with you. I believe the man who was the head of the household, I think his name was something like Master Wu. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN: And was that one of the focuses of my father-in-law?


VIVIEN: Okay. There was an older woman in this one, and I see her as if Iím kneeling on the floor, and sheís shouting at me or yelling at me. Sheís an older woman, maybe 70 years old, thin. I think this might be why I have a feeling of not liking my present stepmother-in-law. I think it may be something to do with that relationship. Was she that woman?


VIVIEN: Okay. She seems to be like a ... I donít know whether she was Master Wuís wife, or was she a housekeeper?

ELIAS: Concubine.

VIVIEN: Okay, concubine. (Laughing) Alright. Iíll work some more on that on my own. Thank you.

Another one, and Iíd love to get into a long story about this woman Pam. For everybody reading this, sheís the owner of the house that we just bought, or the previous owner, I should say. There were a lot of problems involved with her with the buying of this house, but while we were going through all the turmoil, I found that I wasnít angry with her like I felt that I probably normally would have been. I had the image of her as an older Chinese woman sitting cross-legged on the floor, and I heard within myself,Ēbeloved sister.Ē I think maybe we have been beloved sisters in China at some time.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. This may serve as an interesting example in relation to the subject matter of perception, for in this, you have offered yourself an opportunity, in the action of allowing yourself to widen your awareness, to engage the action of becoming more familiar with yourself and all of the aspects of you. In this action, you also draw to yourself many different types of experiences to be presenting objectively to yourself recognitions of how your perception may be altered through the action of familiarizing yourself with you.

In this, many individuals, as influenced by mass belief systems, look outside of self to be gaining information, with the assumption that as they offer information to themselves from outside of [them]selves, they shall be allowing themselves to learn, and therefore equip themselves in a better manner to be interactive with their reality.

Now; be understanding, this is the expression of the mass belief systems. In actuality, what you are allowing yourself to be moving into is what I have been expressing to all of you for much time framework, in turning your attention to self and becoming familiar with you and all of the aspects of you and your own beliefs that you align with, and therefore becoming familiar with your individual perception and what influences that perception.

In this situation with this individual, as you have allowed yourself an openness to self and allow yourself to be objectively connecting to information concerning self, you override certain aspects of beliefs that you might otherwise be expressing behaviors in alignment with. Therefore, you also allow yourself the opportunity to view the flexibility of perception, even in situations, circumstances, and interactions in which you may view that your perception is set, so to speak, in a particular direction.

For this is the emphasis of the reality that there are no absolutes, that any element that you create within your reality is not set in stone, and that all of your reality is quite changeable, and your perception is the most affecting element that is altering of your reality; not elements outside of yourself, but within yourself, within your own creation of your reality, how you view and interpret your world, your beliefs, yourself, other individuals Ė THIS is the construct of your reality.

Were you not to be allowing yourself this openness and this availability of familiarity with yourself, you may have created an entirely different type of reality concerning your interaction with this individual.

VIVIEN: Yes, Iím sure I would have. Iím just going to change phones Elias; one second.

ELIAS: Very well.

VIVIEN: Are you still there?


VIVIEN: Are you there?


VIVIEN: Okay, great.

Yeah, I can see that easily, because at the time I was interested by my own reactions and responses to her, so I knew this was an exercise of a different kind. But thank you very much. Youíve made it really easy for me to understand what was going on there, and some other things that have been going on too.

I have some more questions about Pam, but Iíll get back to those afterwards. Iíd like to finish now with going through the rest of the focuses that Iíve connected with.

ELIAS: Very well.

VIVIEN: Okay. I saw the image just the other day of an extremely beautiful woman. She had pale skin but very large dark eyes, wavy hair, dark wavy hair piled very high in the sort of way that the Edwardians used to in England, but Iíve got a feeling that she might be possibly Greek, and the name I connected with was something like Gazelle or Gazavina, something like that. Iím not sure if she is me or a focus of someone else. (12-second pause)

ELIAS: This individual that you have allowed yourself to view in actuality is not a focus of you. This individual, and what you have viewed temporarily with this individual ...

VIVIEN: Yes, it didnít last very long, but she was very clear.

ELIAS: ... is in actuality another focus of the essence of Lawrence.

VIVIEN: Ah! Okay.

ELIAS: Lawrence also, I may interject, has momentarily allowed himself to view this particular focus quite briefly.

VIVIEN: Ah, interesting. Was there any particular reason why I viewed her?

ELIAS: What you are creating is an allowance in openness, in movement with this shift in consciousness.

Now; let me briefly explain to you that as you are inserting this shift in consciousness into your objective reality now, you also allow yourselves the beginnings objectively in viewing more than merely yourselves individually, recognizing that one of the actions of this shift in consciousness is to be dropping the veils of separation and recognizing the interconnectedness with all of the essences that participate in this physical dimension.

In this, as you continue to move with the energy of this shift in consciousness, not in resistance to it, and as you continue to be widening your awareness, you create, in a manner of speaking, an addition in your movement to the familiarizing of yourself with merely yourself, but you also incorporate other actions and allow yourself the beginnings of movement in viewing other aspects of your reality.

Now; the reason that you choose to be incorporating this type of action is one, you experience a comfort and a trust in your ability to be viewing other focuses, and also, you choose this action in relation to this individual, for this provides you with an underlying sense of comfort and safety, for it already holds objectively an element of familiarity.

VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. How did I do on the name?

ELIAS: Second interpretation of name, correct.

VIVIEN: Oh, Gazavina. Thank you very much.

Okay, another focus. Sometimes when Iím walking, not really thinking or doing anything in particular, I feel as though Iím nearly seven feet tall, and at times I have connected, I think, to a very tall, elegant, black tribesman with long braided hair ... I think belonging to a tribe called Watutsi, a very tall tribe of people.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN: Thank you. There also seems to be a female involved in this as well. Am I also a female in that tribe?

ELIAS: No. You interact in relationship with this other individual.

VIVIEN: Alright, thank you. Okay, Iím very attracted to Tibet, and I see quite often ... he looks like more of a Mongolian warrior on horseback, not a very tall man, quite a small man, but he has a costume like a warriorís costume of sorts, a very vital kind of man, very full of passion and life, and he seems to be a very forceful, strong individual. I think this may be a focus of mine. I havenít got a name or anything. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN: Heís charging about on his horse like crazy, having a wonderful life!

ELIAS: (Laughing) Incorporating more of what you identify in excitement than your Irish pub-dweller!

VIVIEN: (Laughing) A whole different game! (Elias laughs) A very different life, yes.

Okay, another question. One time, quite a few years ago now, I found myself at night ... I was walking around a lake. I started humming, just la-la-la-ing, and all of a sudden, it started to sound like an Oriental language, and I was making these sounds and really feeling quite wonderful while I was doing this. I didnít know what it was at the time, but Iím wondering, was I connecting to the Sumafi language in some way?

ELIAS: What you have allowed yourself is the incorporation of two different elements simultaneously, one which is related to this physical dimension and your participation in several focuses within eastern cultures. This is the translation of language.

You also have allowed yourself simultaneously to be incorporating some tonal qualities of the Sumafi family, and you have incorporated the two together.

VIVIEN: Yeah, making a hybrid of it. (Elias laughs) Okay, it was a language then. It was quite fun to do, I remember that! Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

VIVIEN: I think I have another focus, and I donít know who she is quite yet, but I think sheís an opera singer, or a singer on the stage of some kind Ė very loud voice, very pure note.

ELIAS: You are correct, although not what you may term to be an established opera singer, but an individual that participates in cabarets, and incorporates a tonal quality of voice that could be incorporated into opera.

VIVIEN: Yes, she has that range. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

VIVIEN: Okay, thatís about all my focuses for the time being.

I have to ask a question now about a focus Iíve connected with the essence of Laya. I believe it was Michelangelo, the artist.

ELIAS: For yourself or this individual?

VIVIEN: Not for myself, for the individual, for the essence of Laya.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Not that actual focus, although she does participate in that time framework and interact with that individual.

VIVIEN: Yes. Her art now reminds me of the strength that Michelangelo put into his artwork.

ELIAS: Quite understandable, for in the interaction which is shared with these individuals, there is an offering of instruction.

VIVIEN: Ah, so she was a student of Michelangelo.


VIVIEN: Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thatís where sheís getting that from. Yeah, I can see that very clearly. And I think I was an artist at that time as well, but not well-known at all; in fact, not known at all as an artist.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

VIVIEN: I donít know who I studied under. I donít know whether it was Michelangelo, but I am very affected by his work. I havenít really gotten into that focus, but I would like you to help me with that.

ELIAS: I shall express to you, it is not an identification that you are realizing in the role of student to that particular individual, but the individual that is a focus of you within that time framework holds admiration for this particular artiste, and studies with a companion or colleague, so to speak, in the naming of Raphael.

VIVIEN: Oh, Raphael. Okay, I know who that is. Thank you very much. Iíll work on that myself some more.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

VIVIEN: Now Iíd like to connect a focus of yours during the time of first century Judea and the time when I had a focus of Miriam ... and Jesus and everyone. I seem to keep coming back to Nicodemus for you in some way, or attached to the church in some way with Nicodemus.

ELIAS: I do not hold a focus as this individual, although you are correct in the religious association in priesthood.

VIVIEN: Oh, okay. So thatís where Iím getting that from. Okay, thank you.

A question Ė my niece Helena, you gave her essence name as Seth, and Iím wondering if itís the same entity of Seth that spoke through Jane Roberts.


VIVIEN: Okay, I didnít think it was.

Alright, another question that a lot of us have been talking about. When we connect with our focuses, when we go back to view them again, they are often in the same setting and doing the same things as when we first connected with them. Is this to offer ourselves familiarity and comfortableness?


VIVIEN: Okay. I guessed it was something like that.

Next, my eyesight. Iíve spoken to you about this before. Initially, it was to do with my personal responsibility issues as a mother with my son James. I donít think it has anything to do with that anymore. I think Iím kind of getting better with my issues of responsibility regarding him. Iím not over it completely, but I think my eyesight ... it doesnít seem to be improving very much, but I think Iíve moved into another belief about it, and Iím wondering, is it tied into not wanting to see trust belief systems, something with that?

ELIAS: Partially, and this also, in your vernacular, continues to tie into the issue of personal responsibility.

VIVIEN: (Laughing) Okay.

ELIAS: It is, in a manner of speaking, in your terms, an expansion of your viewing of it. You are allowing yourself to be examining this issue and identifying what are the contributant factors to this particular issue.

VIVIEN: Ah, so is it one of thoseďitís going to get worse before it gets betterĒ kind of things Iím doing?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

VIVIEN: You know that saying? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ah, yes! Ha ha ha ha! And this would be the expression of a mass belief system, would it not?

VIVIEN: Very much so! I think weíre all in that one! (Elias laughs)

Okay, now Iíve got quick questions for a couple friends. I have a friend that I havenít met objectively. Heís in prison, and I think heíd like to know if heís going to be creating parole for himself soon, and whether heís going to improve his health.

ELIAS: Ah! We move once again into crystal ball questions!

VIVIEN: Well, Iím talking about his movement within probabilities. Iím sorry. I didnít mean to ask a crystal ball question.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

VIVIEN: I meant in the terms of how heís creating his probabilities right now.

ELIAS: Within this present now, both creations continue.

VIVIEN: Okay, good. So heís in movement, at least.

ELIAS: Understand what I am expressing to you. First of all, you are all continuously moving.

In this Ė as to shall the individual create parole Ė within this present creation of probabilities in this now, he continues to create the situation to remain in the space arrangement that he has already created. He is perpetuating that creation.

As to the physical manifestations, he is creating a perpetuation of this also.

Now; I shall express to you quite briefly, the individual is creating both of these movements quite purposefully, and also partially objectively intentionally.

In this, I shall not expound upon all of this situation and these creations presently. You may offer an invitation to this individual, if you are so choosing, that I may be interactive objectively with this individual, if they also are choosing, and in that, I shall offer more information.

VIVIEN: Very well. Thank you very much.

I have another quick question, for George. He has a Roman focus, and he got the name Marcus Affilius. Heíd like to know if heís correct in that.

ELIAS: First name, correct. Second name, no, and he may continue his investigation.

VIVIEN: Okay, Iíll tell him! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

VIVIEN: Alright, can I get back to Pam, my beloved Chinese sister?

ELIAS: You may.

VIVIEN: She has created a lot of drama and trauma in her life in the past few years, and particularly recently. Sheís had imprisonment, drugs, alcohol, a whole bunch of things Ė relationship problems Ė but now sheís in the hospital. Theyíve taken her out of the prison, and sheís in the hospital, and sheís created cancer.

I think she would like to understand how sheís gotten herself into this situation, if there is anything you can offer to her that might help her understand. I think the doctors have told her that she has maybe a month, maybe a year to live.

ELIAS: This particular creation singularly of this dis-ease has been created as a choice in what this individual identifies and assesses as a reasonable action for disengagement.

VIVIEN: Okay. I had a feeling that she had chosen to disengage.

ELIAS: This is an expression that has been chosen as the individual views other individuals shall be accepting of that creation, and within self, she has created this type of physical dis-ease and method of disengagement as an outward expression of how she views herself in disdain, and therefore is deserving of painfulness in more of an excessive manner than has already been created.

VIVIEN: Yes, sheís had a really ... for me, to live that kind of life would be awful, and I think for her itís been awful too.

ELIAS: Let me express to you, although I do not identify your creations in these types of terms, I hold the awareness that you all within your dimension, and associating with your belief systems, DO identify judgments and assessments of certain types of creations within your reality as expressions of misery.

And in this, I shall also express to you Ė quite in relation to your dead mouse game that you are all so very fond of playing Ė many times within your physical dimension, with many, many individuals, there is an allowance and choice of certain creations within the individual realities that creates an expression of what you all identify as misery.

And in these creations, in relation to this dead mouse action and as influenced by your beliefs and the interaction of duplicity, as you begin creating these effects of misery, you also compound and perpetuate these expressions and creations of misery, so to speak, with MORE misery, in the expression that the misery you have created initially is bad and wrong, and therefore you need be creating more misery, for you assess that you are deserving of more misery ...

VIVIEN: Yes, we punish ourselves.

ELIAS: ... in the expression of punishment for the initial creation of misery.

VIVIEN: Yes, the sinful self kind of thing.

ELIAS: Quite.

VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. Thank you very much.

Okay, a question about moving. You told me once before that I move objectively quite a lot Ė as many of us have been doing recently Ė as objective imagery of my inner movement. Well, since 1998 Iíve moved three times, all in the same area. Is this still subjective imagery about moving myself? Because itís a real nuisance as well!

ELIAS: (Laughing) Partially, yes. You are continuing to be offering yourself an objective mirror image of the movement that you have been creating inwardly.

Now; I shall also express to you, in your very common vernacular, an offering of the light in the tunnel! Ha ha ha! For you have quite purposefully created this physical movement in this mirror action as an objective validation to yourself.

VIVIEN: Oh boy! (Laughing)

ELIAS: But let me also express to you that within your movement in these previous years and subsequently to this present now, you have offered yourself repeatedly evidences of your movement inwardly, which you are beginning to trust and accept now.

VIVIEN: Yes, I think I am now.

ELIAS: And therefore, you are not requiring as much objective validation in extreme as you have previously.

VIVIEN: So, I donít go from one side of the country to the other Ė I just go five minutes away now! (Laughing)

ELIAS: And you may view that you may continue in this type of action temporarily futurely also, but you are already creating probabilities now, that you shall be discontinuing this type of action.

VIVIEN: Yes, I have the feeling that itís going to be ONE more move. (Elias laughs) Just one, and I keep seeing this place. Itís by the water, which is what I want. Iím not sure if itís California or an island country, somewhere like the Mediterranean. But Iím leaning more, now that Iím thinking about it, that itís possibly more in the Mediterranean or the Caribbean.

ELIAS: And I shall express to you that you shall create, in agreement with your partner, the most beneficial movement to you.

VIVIEN: We will. Thereís other things to take into consideration, but I see the place. This house that Iíve constructed in my head, I feel pretty confident about that. Itís getting more real every day.

ELIAS: And this is the manner in which you create your reality!

VIVIEN: Yeah! Iíve been giving that concept lip service up until now, but Iím really beginning to understand it! (Elias chuckles) Itís pretty neat Ė it really is!

I guess Iíd like to finish up with asking you a question about our awareness after death. Iím not quite sure how to phrase this. The awareness that you have now ... all your focuses have now disengaged, and you have an awareness of all of them. What Iím wondering is, when we designate the final focus and everybody else disengages with us, when I have gone through my transition and everybody else has too, when we do that, do we come to the place or the awareness where you are now? Is that a clear question?

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding what you are expressing.

First of all, let me express to you, this is a matter of choice. As you disengage physical focus, and subsequent to your movement through nonphysical actions of transition and the movement into other actions within consciousness, it is the choice of you [as to] which types of explorations you wish to be engaging within.

For I may express to you, you may be moving through the action of transition, and in your physical terms, subsequent to that action, you may choose to be non-physically interactive, but you may also choose to be incorporating some action that may be associated with any particular physical dimension.

In this, it is dependent upon your focus of attention. I have focused this attention in this particular area of consciousness.

In like manner, figuratively speaking, to yourself Ė as you manifest in your particular physical dimension and in that particular physical focus of attention which you identify as you Ė I also hold a direction of attention, which is that which interacts with you.

I hold an awareness of many other directions of attention of essence, or of what you may term to be myself, and am interactive with them in a manner that you do not allow yourselves within your physical dimension, for you have created veils of separation in physicality, or your corporeal expressions.

In this, each attention holds its own directedness.

I am understanding of what you are inquiring of Ė in the realization of other focuses of attention of the essence, and the recognition and the knowing continuously, and the interactive participation with many other attentions.

VIVIEN: Yes, I think thatís more what Iím getting at.

ELIAS: In this, once again I shall express to you, it is dependent upon which direction you choose in your exploration. Let me offer you an example simply.

As we have spoken previously, there are some essences that subsequent to transition may be choosing a direction of focusing attention in Regional Area 3, and in this, their attention is directed to interaction with individuals that are participating within physical dimensions. Let us narrow this scenario even further by expressing that one essence may focus its attention in interaction with individuals in YOUR physical dimension.

In this, the essence is not choosing to be participatory in physical manifestation. They are participating non-physically, but they are focusing their attention in the direction of interaction with this particular physical dimension.

You all hold an aspect of awareness objectively of this type of interaction. You create translations for this interaction, but you do hold an awareness, even objectively, of this type of interaction. You label this as interaction of guides or angels.

In this, you hold an identification and a recognition that there are essences that participate with you that are not choosing to be physically manifest. Those essences that are choosing to be interactive with you are focusing their attention in a different manner than my attention is focused.

Now; I shall express to you, the awareness of those essences encompasses all of your physical dimension. It is not focused upon one individual or even groups of individuals, but it is focused in the entirety of your physical dimension Ė all of the layers of time frameworks, all of the manifestations, all of the individuals participating physically, and all of the individuals that are disengaging and entering into nonphysical transition.

Therefore, the awareness is similar in its expression to the awareness that I incorporate, but the ATTENTION is different.

Are you understanding thus far?

VIVIEN: Yes, I am, believe it or not! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Therefore, what I am expressing to you is that this is the offering of two different choices of attention subsequent to the action of transition, in which the essence has, in those focuses, shed the belief systems, and has also shed the objective awareness, but has created a choice to be reincorporating an element of objective awareness to be associating with the physical dimension.

Even within my focus of attention, as I interact with all of you within this particular dimension, each time I am interactive with any individual participating within this physical dimension, I choose also to incorporate an element of objective awareness that allows myself to be creating a more efficient interaction and communication, for it allows me to speak your language.

VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. Iím amazed that I do understand, but I do. Youíve explained it very clearly.

ELIAS: This is not to say that I am incorporating an objective element of awareness continuously within my focus of attention, for it is unnecessary, but I do incorporate some elements of objective awareness in the action of interacting with all of you.

Essences that are choosing to be occupying their attention in Regional Area 3 and interactive directly with this particular physical dimension Ė those that you identify as angels or guides, that also allow themselves, in your terms, from time to time to physically materialize, that you may view as apparitions Ė those essences incorporate a different type and more of a quantity, in a manner of speaking, of objective awareness to facilitate their action and interaction with your particular physical dimension than do I.

There are other essences which do not incorporate objective awareness, for they do not choose to be interactive with any physical dimensions, and therefore, there is a choice to be creating an exploration of other areas of consciousness which are not expressed physically or objectively.

VIVIEN: And of those, there are limitless to choose from, correct?

ELIAS: Correct. You are merely viewing presently within this now, in this discussion, two options or choices.

VIVIEN: ĎCause this is whatís familiar to us.

ELIAS: Correct, and which offer a type of understanding within your translations in your objective reality.

In this, I may express to you that this be the reason that I express to you all, quite strongly and definitely, that you within your physical dimension are not manifest to be teachers or learners.

You are not teaching or learning within your physical dimension, NOR IS ANY OTHER ESSENCE.

I am not interactive with you to be teaching you. Although I have expressed initially within my identification of this area of consciousness that this is a teaching area, these are terms that you understand.

VIVIEN: Yes, but really what youíre doing is offering information.

ELIAS: And creating my own exploration of different interactions within consciousness and manipulations of energy. Therefore, I also am not learning, but am engaging my own exploration of consciousness, in like manner to yourselves.

VIVIEN: Yes, I understand. Wow, itís quite a trip, isnít it?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

VIVIEN: A never-ending trip!

ELIAS: Quite, and how wondrous it is!

VIVIEN: It really is; itís just amazing! Even what we continue to term the good and bad experiences, each of them is just as wondrous as every other, because weíre using our energy and turning it into anything we want to.

ELIAS: Quite, and continuously creating an exploration!

VIVIEN: Yeah, itís amazing. Really what weíre doing is exploring ourselves, arenít we?


VIVIEN: In every interaction that we have with others, in whichever way, whether itís with you or with guides, angels, or with ourselves, with each other, itís still just another energy exchange going on.

ELIAS: Yes, and even within what you identify as myself, as an essence non-physically focused, or any other essence that you view to be ďbeyondĒ this essence of Elias, in your terms, the action is the same. This is the action of becoming, a continuous exploration of self, for self is consciousness.

VIVIEN: Yes, and growing into what we are, or the potential of what we are, whatever you want to term it. (Elias laughs) Itís brilliant! I love it!

Well, I think our time is just about up, Elias. Thank you very, very much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

VIVIEN: As usual, itís been wonderful!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And I anticipate our continued interaction, and you may offer my greetings to the small one.

VIVIEN: Oh, I shall. I asked him yesterday, I said, ďDo you have any questions for Elias?Ē ďNo.Ē I guess he knows it all!

ELIAS: (Laughing) And creating contentment.

VIVIEN: Yes, I think he is. The information that youíve offered to me about my role as a mother and personal responsibility, I really have been addressing to that, and I think itís helped me greatly, it really has. Iím a lot more calm, and I think a lot more accepting of myself in that respect, and thatís really all it takes.

ELIAS: And I continue to be encouraging to you in this action.

VIVIEN: Thank you, Elias. Iím starting to trust more now when I hear you. Iím learning to listen.

ELIAS: Ha ha! No, you are notďlearningĒ to listen! You are turning your attention. (Grinning)

VIVIEN: I am widening my periphery!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

VIVIEN: Well, again, thank you very much, and I love you lots.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, and I extend to you also tremendous affection. In anticipation of our continued interaction, au revoir.

VIVIEN: Au revoir. Thank you.

Elias departs at 12:43 PM.

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