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Thursday, June 01, 2000

<  Session 628 (Private/Phone)  >

ďPsychic ExpressionsĒ

ďThe Gates of HornĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and John (Rrussell).

Vicís note: John has an interesting British accent that is difficult to decipher at times, so you will see (inaudible) here and there.

Elias arrives at 2:37 PM. (Arrival time is 16 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good day!

JOHN: Good day, Elias! Iíve got a number of questions and comments and various sorts of bits for you. I hope we will be able to cover them all. In our last session (inaudible), and we managed to work through them all (inaudible), so I think we should be able to do it.

Iíve been chatting with Mary, which is fantastic. Iíve drawn up some notes for this session, Elias, and when I went to draw up the formal notes, as it were, there was a bloke at the pub who kept wanting to talk, and he bought me a shot and that was fantastic, and then we got absolutely pissed (drunk). And this time round, Iíve wandered up to another pub, and there I was, expecting to get some coffee, and Iíve had several beers now, and that is fantastic. But Iíve not had the chance to really organize the session, as it were, which I sort of wanted to do to make it more efficient, but I think we should be able to proceed with a certain degree of accuracy anyhow.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Very well! You may proceed.

JOHN: Fantastic!

Iíve visited a number of psychics in the past, and theyíve each made all sorts of interesting comments, and theyíve each made a number of very similar sort of comments, and they were interesting to me. They were the sorts of things that I felt I was creating at the time, from about Ď94 onward, but they held a certain degree of confusion to me also, in that I wanted to create this sort of thing, but somebody is telling me that Iím going to create this sort of thing, and there is a certain discrepancy there, in what Iím going to create and what do I want to create, and itís quite obvious, in certain terms. However, itís day-to-day, on a day-to-day basis, ďOh geez, am I doing what Iím supposed to do, or am I doing what theyíve suggested to me, or am I doing what I really want to do?Ē And the answer is both, but hell, I donít even know how to explain it beyond that!

ELIAS: Ha ha!

JOHN: However, Iíve broken this down to its bullet points, and if we can cover certain bullet points together, this might be good, and you can comment as you desire.

ELIAS: Very well! (Grinning)

JOHN: Very well! (Elias chuckles)

I met a bloke in London, a nice bloke who talked about a number of things dealing very specifically with what Iím doing now. He was quite spot on, as it were. He said, ďYouíre going to meet a guy, and I see this thing Ė I see something that I interpret as Munich.Ē Fair enough, whatever. And then one of the things is, Iím in Munich now, which in our last session I didnít believe. I sort of thought Iíd be in New York, and later on I thought Iíd be in Frankfurt, but here I am in Munich. And then one of the things he sort of foresaw, as it were, was a period of panic in May, and I consciously tried to avoid this, and I think it worked. What have you got to say about this?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Let me express to you that as you allow yourself to be engaging individuals that you identify as psychics, you are participating in their offering of information to you concerning the probabilities that you yourself are creating in the moment.

Now; in this, as you are recalling, at our last meeting we were discussing your movement in possibility to the physical location of New York.

JOHN: Yeah.

ELIAS: In this, let me offer to you an example of difference.

You surprise yourself and you become amazed at the information that you receive from individuals as it may appear in your reality quite specifically, such as your movement to this physical location of Munich.

JOHN: Right.

ELIAS: But let me also express to you that these are probabilities, and they are quite changeable within the moment.

The action that an individual identified as a psychic performs is to be tapping into the probabilities that you are creating within that moment, which may appear in what they view to be the future. But there is a dangerous quality in expressing to another individual an absolute, in that they SHALL be engaging this action or that action.

JOHN: Yeah, I do understand.

ELIAS: For this discounts your ability to be changing and creating choice, and many times you shall create what you have been offered through suggestion.

Now; this be the reason that you and I have engaged the type of discussion that we did within your previous session concerning your movement to New York, in the allowance for you to be creating that choice of movement IF YOU WERE SO DESIRING.

JOHN: Aha! Really! Well, Iíll tell you what. One thing that you yourself brought up in the session was regarding the orientation of soft, as you call it, which I hold. In this, you had said that the soft orientation has a certain ... one tends to surprise oneself in oneís creations if one is soft.


JOHN: To what extent am I doing that, and to what extent am I just looking to what these so-called psychics have said, and my own will at creation?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) In this, you ARE following with the natural movement of energy of your particular orientation, which is not unusual, I may add. For even in your interaction with individuals that you identify as psychics, and even offering the information that they may offer to you, you continue to be creating your reality in a manner that shall create the element of surprise, regardless of what is being offered to you. Even in the situations in which you are offered information, and you subsequently follow that information or have already created that particular type of movement, such as your choice to be creating movement to this location of Munich, you surprise yourself once again!

JOHN: Well, that pisses me off!


JOHN: I mean, I want to know what the hell Iím creating at the point Iím creating it, not some years afterwards! And as we discussed, you told me that Iíve created probabilities which are far and beyond, in terms of time, and there was a recent session dealing with patience, and youíve created such and such, and thereís a movement of patience towards this, but I said, no! Bloody hell! What Iíve created is ... I mean, itís sort of shocking!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! Ah, but you DO appreciate the element of fun and surprise!

JOHN: Indeed!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! Therefore, you continue to be creating this expression within your reality!

JOHN: Iíve been surprised a lot of times, and when Iíve been surprised, as far as I can recall now, itís been fantastic! I DO like this element of surprise, provided the evidence of surprise is within what I would tend to think of as a good surprise (laughing) or a (inaudible) surprise, or thereís another term for it Ė I forget.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

JOHN: But it has been such throughout, and provided it is such, then fine! I suppose it shall be such! But to my own ... well, you would term it discounting of self or something or other, and that of course Iím still engaging, but I suppose to me, itís (inaudible).

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And you shall, for you ARE allowing yourself to be noticing what you are creating, and your own responses to what you are creating! (Chuckling)

JOHN: Okay, Iíve got more. Again, Iím going to narrow it down to bullet points. I swear, I do believe Iím going to start somewhere, and what I wanted to do was divide it into specific areas and such, group these bullet points together. However, Iíve not done that because Iíve been drinking beer instead!


JOHN: (Laughing) Yes! I wish you could enjoy and try and like, as I do, some of the beer Ė thereís some nice beer here!

Letís see, (inaudible). My mother, who is quite interested in these psychic sort of things, she saw a lady who said, ďYour son, he wants a girlfriend, and heís got such a specific idea of whatís going on, and he wants (inaudible), and heís got to be more open to getting such prosperity.Ē Fair enough, Iím quite realizing of this.

One of the games I was playing one day ... itís not a fun game. It lasts about an afternoon. But this girl here, I would see her just walking down the road and I would say to myself, this could be her, or this could be her, and even if I didnít see a girl, she could be fun, she could be this, she could be that, and I was trying to play myself out of this idea of (inaudible).

However, these people Iíve seen, these so-called psychics, seem to have something specific in mind to point out to me that ... I donít know, but perhaps there is some sort of counterpart agreement that I have taken on some time ago, either now or before I was born, and I am working towards it. Is that so or not?

ELIAS: It is not the situation that you are working towards availing yourself of an interaction with a counterpart, and thusly creating a relationship with this individual in intimacy.

JOHN: Okay.

ELIAS: But I shall express to you that the reason that you design specifics, within your thought process and your association, of a particular type of individual that you wish to draw to yourself is that you allow yourself to be accessing information that you hold inwardly concerning relationships that you have engaged within other focuses. In this, you create a type of blueprint or prototype, so to speak, of the type of individual that you wish to draw to yourself.

Now; I shall express to you that there is no element that is wrong with this particular type of movement. If you are choosing to be setting forth an expression of energy of this type to be drawing to yourself a specific type of individual, you may be accomplishing of that action, for your energy moves outwardly from yourself as a beacon, and other essences do pay attention to the energy which is being projected, and those essences....

JOHN: Let me give you an example ... and I donít mean to tread upon your crystal ball. But the lass in the hotel from which I just came, is that an example of what youíre talking about?

ELIAS: In part, for you are experimenting with your own ability in energy.

JOHN: Okay. We shall see what happens.

ELIAS: As you continue to pay attention to your own energy and you continue to pay attention to self and what you are projecting, you shall objectively become more practiced at this action and allow yourself to hone your own energy, in a manner of speaking.

JOHN: Okay, so itís not simply a matter of being more aggressive and giving out chat-up lines and the rest.

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

JOHN: Okay. The element of notoriety, which is quite common between these psychics Iíve spoken to ... I was going over the interpretation of soft, and that of Ilda, where I would deal with many people on a day-to-day basis. However, I actually think that this is a direction Iíve created and am moving into, this element of notoriety.

ELIAS: Within your profession, or are you inquiring as to psychic expressions?

JOHN: I donít know how to separate the two. I donít myself know how to define notoriety. As one so-called psychic put it, ďI donít mean to burst your bubble,Ē she said, ďbut I donít see you in Hollywood in Los Angeles and being on the big screen,Ē and neither do I see myself as such. However, I see myself as quite affecting of others, in one way or another, and interacting with others, in one way or another, on and off and quite objectively.

ELIAS: You are correct, and you may be creating of this more fully, if you are so choosing. In that respect, yes, you may be creating what you identify as notoriety for yourself in this focus. Now....

JOHN: But itís creeping up on me, one way or another. I donít know where itís coming from and I donít know what itís all about, and if not, there is no ... well, there IS an element of worry, but thereís also an element of, what the hell is going on? (Elias chuckles) And thatís difficult to reckon with on a day-to-day basis sometimes.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

JOHN: As one psychic said, the fact that I may have mirrored or not, she said, ďThereís this future you, and thereís this time in-between that youíre moving through, which wonít seem like the future you, but youíre moving through it,Ē and I feel like Iím moving through it, and whether or not Iím following what she said or not, I DO feel like Iím moving through it on a day-to-day basis, but this future me that Iím moving towards does not always mirror whatís going on now, and there is a certain element of frustration and yearning there.

ELIAS: I am understand of what you are expressing. Be remembering that what you have been offered in information concerning what you term to be a ďfuture youĒ is an interpretation of this individual.

Therefore, you may literally associate that what you are expressing and becoming is an expression of you, but the association of terming this to be a ďfuture youĒ is an interpretation of the individual, as filtered through that individualís identification and beliefs.

Now; you ARE becoming and you ARE creating movement, and you are creating a type of movement in alignment with your desires, but you are experiencing this element of frustration and confusion in this now, for you are also beginning to be allowing yourself to familiarize yourself with your own abilities.

In this, many of your abilities objectively are unfamiliar to you, but you are allowing yourself to view more and more objectively and become familiar with your own abilities and with self, and this allows you the freedom of movement to be expressing yourself more fully outwardly.

Let me also express to you that in these types of movements, you also create much subjective movement, and although you hold difficulty in translating that subjective movement into objective terms or thoughts, you do hold an awareness of the movement subjectively in itself, which also creates a type of interference at times, and confuses your objective direction.

But I shall express to you that this is temporary, and you ARE allowing yourself more of a familiarity with....

JOHN: But how do I avoid ... Iím sorry to interrupt. (Elias laughs) How do I avoid moving into a direction which I donít want to move into? If I donít know whatís going on ... I mean, how do I not do what I donít want to do?

ELIAS: Ah! In this, you pay attention to the now and you pay attention to self.

The reason that you create movement, in which YOU are expressing that you may be creating actions or probabilities Ė and actualizing them Ė that you objectively donít want to be creating, in your terms ... you are already creating all of your movement NOW.

Therefore, as you allow yourself to become more familiar with yourself, and you pay attention to the now and allow yourself to be noticing and recognizing what you are creating in this present now, you shall also offer yourself a tremendous expression of information concerning what you perceive to be the future.

JOHN: Okay. One of the blokes said, ďThereís a bloke who is going to be helping you.Ē Is that you?

ELIAS: ONE of them. Ha ha ha ha!

JOHN: Okay. Perhaps (inaudible) is another?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Yes, you are correct.

JOHN: Okay. Weíre beginning to have contact, and weíll see what shall happen.

You said in the last session that I was fundamentally changing the way I interact with others, and itís been in the back of my mind and also in the fore of my mind that Iíve changed my orientation or something. What did you mean by that?

ELIAS: No, you are not altering your orientation. You are merely allowing yourself, as I have already expressed, to become more familiar with yourself.

In this, you also allow yourself to be expressing of your intent, as expressed through your family alignment, more fully. Therefore, you allow yourself more of an ease in the expression of exchange and interaction with other individuals in a natural flow, and with less obstacles and less elements hindering your movement.

JOHN: Yeah, there was an alignment I was more familiar with when I was born, and Iíve moved into this Ilda, as itís called, alignment.

ELIAS: You have held this alignment with the Ilda from the onset of your manifestation in this particular focus. You have not engaged the fullness of its expression at times....

JOHN: Iím sorry. I missed the first part of what you said because of the mobile phone interference.

ELIAS: You have not always engaged the fullness of the expression of this alignment of the Ilda throughout your focus, but as you are familiarizing yourself more with self and allowing yourself more of a free expression, you are also allowing yourself to be engaging the fullness of this alignment in your exchange. You are also allowing yourself to be manipulating that energy to your benefit.

JOHN: Okay. One chap, and this is quite provocative to me, he said, ďI feel you are entering a new dimension in a few years,Ē and I sort of take it as a friendly challenge, and I think that as I achieve a certain realization, thereís a certain landmark that I may perceive as a landmark within a couple of years after I create this landmark? Bloody hell! You know, I was on mushrooms Ė Ďshrooms Ė once, and there was a certain feel to that movement while I was on mushrooms, and when I think of a new dimension, I canít help but think of that, but also this landmark, as Iíve put it. What was that all about?

ELIAS: This is merely a viewing of probabilities that you are creating and moving into in relation to this shift in consciousness, allowing yourself to widen your awareness, and in that widening of awareness, dropping the veils that are separating you within this physical dimension and other expressions of you within essence that occupy other-dimensional focuses....

JOHN: Okay. The music focus is in another dimension? (Short pause)

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

JOHN: So, can I term it an alien focus? (Short pause)


JOHN: Yes. Yes, okay.

Am I the final focus? As you say ... in a session that was recently published, I myself, like the person with whom you had that session, hold a certain disinterest in investigating other focuses. Iím more concerned in whatís going on now, and me, and so on and so forth. And am I the final focus?

ELIAS: As the designated focus of essence which initiates the disengagement of essence participation within this physical dimension [and] which you identify as the final focus, no.

JOHN: No, okay. Who is?

ELIAS: Another focus of your essence! (Grinning)

JOHN: Is it a future focus or a past focus?

ELIAS: (Laughing) In actuality, the final focus of your essence occupies a time framework that you identify as past.

JOHN: Past, okay.

ELIAS: You are a future focus of it.

JOHN: Okay, okay. Am I the last focus, as far as itís concerned, in a linear time framework?


JOHN: No, okay. Interesting. Then why do I have a disinterest in other focuses? I mean, you challenged me in a sinister sort of way in our last session before my phone card ended. ďBe investigating, if you will, of another focus in your present country,Ē I think you said. (Elias chuckles) And I tried, or I half-tried, and it sort of bored me. I came up with analogies as to model-building, and how as children, some people have a model before them, whether itís a boat or a plane or whatever, and they build it, as it were, and I was the sort of child that would take these sort of pieces and sort of build whatever I wanted.

But I was not so interested in following this other focus, and I am not so interested in what a lot of the people whom you deal with are, like energy balls and whatnot as symbols. I donít quite fall into what youíre discussing in this specific way.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and this is quite acceptable. It matters not. If you are choosing to be accessing information concerning other focuses of essence that you hold within this dimension, you may be, for you do hold the ability to be accomplishing this action. But I may also express to you that it is not necessary in absolutes.

You are focusing your attention in this present now and occupying yourself with the movement of THIS particular focus, and I shall express to you, in the action of this shift and your alignment with this particular essence family of Ilda, this may be quite beneficial to you, to BE paying attention and holding your attention within the action which is occurring in this focus presently. There is MUCH movement occurring.

JOHN: I feel unbalanced in a balanced sort of way, as Seth put it in one particular book.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Quite appropriate!

JOHN: Letís see. Well, weíve covered quite a bit. There is a woman who has already died who is helping me, as one person put it. (Pause) Have you any comments in that direction?

ELIAS: What be your inquiry in relation to this subject?

JOHN: Um ... yes or no!


JOHN: Is this an interpretation of the lady who told me this? One woman said to me, as we were talking about essence (inaudible), but what was that about?

ELIAS: I shall express to you, Rrussell, that there are many individuals that lend energy to different focuses that continue within physical focus. This is not unusual.

Yes, this is correct. I shall validate to you that the information offered by the other individual is correct. It is also quite common.

JOHN: Okay. A focus thatís been offered to me is that of an actor, and I myself have felt one of a woman painter in the Renaissance.

ELIAS: Correct.

JOHN: Both are correct?


JOHN: And the actor is in this century?

ELIAS: Within what you identify as the beginnings of the twentieth century.

JOHN: Yes, yes.

Seth has described certain occupations one takes on, for lack of a better term, beyond physical life. One of his is that of a teacher, and I suppose that is yours also. Curiously, he mentioned ... this is a two-part question, I suppose. He mentioned, one, if you dream of the Gates of Horn and so on and so forth ... and I donít know how he meant that or whatís going on there. Two, he mentioned a certain profession where one helps people after death, and in this, I had a dream where I decided I was going to see what this was all about, and I did, and I was interacting with someone as a peer, and I realized or somehow it occurred to me that this is not mine Ė this is not my profession, although it is quite interesting. And then somebody was coming from another company to see another company, and this person from this other company was showing me around, like what he does and the operations and so forth. Could you comment on both, please?

ELIAS: Quite. I am understanding of what you are expressing.

As to each of these actions, or the expressions of these actions, be remembering that these are translations for your understanding within your physical objective awareness.

Now; in this, you may be offering yourself the suggestion concerning the Gates of Horn and employing this within your dream state, which creates a type of dream portal, in a manner of speaking, which allows you to be accessing information in other areas.

Vicís note: Here, the phone gets disconnected. Elias laughs, and then pops out at 3:15 PM.

MARY: Oh, here we go again! Okay.... (Pause, and the phone rings) Hello? (Pause) Okay, Iíll just resume! (Laughing) Thatís so weird when that happens! Iíll talk to you later.

Elias returns at 3:16 PM, with an arrival time of 12 seconds.

ELIAS: Continuing!

JOHN: Ah, yes! You were talking about the Gates of Horn and so forth ...

ELIAS: Ha ha!

JOHN: ... and I got cut off by the telecom.

ELIAS: In this, let me offer to you that you may be accessing this particular action within your dream state, and this offers you the ability to be moving freely through other areas of consciousness that you may not necessarily engage within your usual dream activity and imagery. Now....

JOHN: Thatís exactly what Seth said, perhaps before I was born, I donít know. It was in books written by Sue Watkins, if I remember correctly. How can I say ďGates of Horn,Ē and all of a sudden, in three words, there I am with this dream portal?

ELIAS: Ah! This, in actuality, IS all that is required.

There are other methods in which you may be creating the same type of action also. You may be engaging a portal within your dream state through dream triggers or through the ďactivizationĒ of this particular summoning, so to speak, in the Gates of Horn. There are many methods....

JOHN: So those three words are somehow ingrained into my genetics? How do those three words come out of nowhere and suddenly invoke a dream portal in me?

ELIAS: This is not merely your accessing, but this is a design which has been created Ė associated with this particular physical dimension Ė as an avenue, which you have all agreed upon in the design of this particular physical dimension.

JOHN: Quite curious!

ELIAS: Therefore, any individual within this physical dimension may be incorporating that action and may be enacting this dream portal, and offering themselves an avenue to be accessing information within other areas of consciousness.

JOHN: Okay.

ELIAS: As to the professions, so to speak, in nonphysical areas of consciousness, let me express to you first of all that this also is a translation, for these are not quite professions, so to speak, but they are engagements of interest of certain aspects of the essence.

JOHN: So why do you bother? What do you gain out of these sessions?

ELIAS: This action that I engage within this phenomenon associated with your physical reality is an aspect of interest, so to speak, with myself as essence. There are aspects of my essence that engage this action with you in an exploration of my expressions of energy, filtered through different layers of consciousness, to be creating an interaction with a particular design of physical dimension.

In this also, this essence of Elias has chosen to be responsive to the requests of other essences which continue to be engaging interaction in physical focus within your particular physical dimension, in relation to this shift in consciousness.

JOHN: Both yourself and Seth talk a lot about the ďout of physical realityĒ sort of reality, and I feel like I know what youíre talking about. I really feel like I know what youíre talking about, and when I really, really want to know about all of this, which is fantastic, I really FEEL what youíre talking about.

ELIAS: This is yourself allowing yourself to be accessing information as the remembrance of essence. Of COURSE you know what we are speaking of, for you hold this information also. You have merely created a veil of separation and have chosen to be forgetting, so to speak.

JOHN: Indeed. I feel the same way. I feel like youíre a peer, and I perhaps feel like youíre a son of a bitch ... in a good way!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

JOHN: And Iíll carry on! Letís see Ė business. As Iíve written here, (inaudible). Ilda Ė I somehow feel like my own business operation parallels the shift with this company Iím dealing with.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOHN: Ah. I had a dream of being young, and it now feels very real. On one hand, I feel naive towards dealing with business and so forth. On the other hand, I feel maybe inexperienced in business protocol. I canít be bothered with the sort of rough-and-toughness that sort of characterizes business protocol, both here and I suppose in America, but I almost see it as merely a sort of language or protocol that I easily adopt for my (inaudible). But now and then, thereís a certain confusion that is just sort of ... sometimes I come to this business rough-and-tough protocol and I say fuck it Ė I donít need that. Iím going to do things my own way. Other times I think, well, I can be rough and tough, and it seems to work. But I donít know Ė thereís confusion there. Can you comment?

ELIAS: Yes. In this, you are incorporating confusion, for the familiar aspect of yourself moves in the direction of expressing yourself in the manner that you are dictated to, through your beliefs and your societies, what you term to be protocol.

In this, there is another aspect of you that you are becoming aware of and familiar with, which is the natural movement of you, which is moving in association with this shift in consciousness, and [you are] beginning to be expressive of yourself according to your own dictates and recognizing that your direction of yourself is equally as efficient as any other method, and that you may be creating your own direction and you may also continue to be interactive in the design of corporations or establishments within your societies.

It in actuality matters not. What holds significance and importance is that you allow yourself to be moving in the direction of your own expression and not necessarily continuing to be dictated to by other individuals, for in that action, you are discounting of self.

JOHN: Ah! Yeah. Point taken, twice over. If I may say, for the sake of the transcript, if anyone out there is reading this, I would be quite interested in discussing business issues in relation to the material presented here. (Elias grins)

As I am not the final focus, how do I feel that I am quite an old essence, as it were? Is this quite true?

ELIAS: I shall express to you acknowledgment. Yes, you may term yourself to be an old soul, so to speak. Ha ha ha!

JOHN: Okay. Now, Iíve had focuses outside of what we call history in ... I donít know. Itís called Mu, one of them, and (inaudible), another one, and Atlantis, and so on and so forth, and Lemuria, and maybe Iím pronouncing it wrong. But Iíve had focuses there, or Iím there somewhere?

ELIAS: Yes. These are not outside of your time framework, so to speak. They are the occupation of another dimension.

JOHN: Are they all looking to me? Do they sort of look to me, and are they sort of amused at my lack of interaction objectively? Are they watching my progress and sort of looking towards the skies and stroking their beards, perhaps, or something like that?

ELIAS: No, not in the terms that you are expressing, although they may be allowing themselves momentarily to be accessing information concerning your focus....

JOHN: What are they interested in, in terms of my focus? I would think my intent, which is sort of balancing subjective and objective, and creating fun and enjoyment through this shift in consciousness.

ELIAS: They ARE momentarily accessing information concerning your movement in relation to this shift in consciousness, but not in the manner of evaluation or judgment; merely as a movement of curiosity, of how you may be interactive in creating your reality in relation to this shift in consciousness.

JOHN: Was I correct about my intent?


JOHN: Yes, okay.

Iím going to create more fun, because thereís not nearly enough of it, now that Iím in sort of a bunker or a basement or something or other that looks like ... I donít know, but it seems like fun, and Iím leaning towards that, and yes. Very good. (Elias chuckles)

Next, I have a certain disinterest, when I need to objectively, about personal details. Furthermore, keeping in touch with people is quite difficult for me, and I oftentimes donít give a shit. I mean, so what? You visit so-and-so, and youíve met so-and-so previously, and your plans are such-and-such, and Iím quite bored with these sorts of details, although there is this cultural protocol nowadays. Whatís going on there?

ELIAS: This is also an influence of the essence family that you are belonging to.

JOHN: Hmm. I see.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

JOHN: One would think Ilda is quite keen on sort of maintaining social contacts....

ELIAS: I am not expressing....

JOHN: Which I do, to a certain extent, but....

ELIAS: I am not expressing the family that you are aligned with, but the family that you are belonging to.

JOHN: Oh, Sumari.

ELIAS: Yes. In this, you hold an underlying influence throughout your focus which is NOT concerned with detail or specifics or preciseness, so to speak.

JOHN: Okay. Where do I find the humor in this game with Randy and Daniel? I think Randy and Daniel and the rest of the all-star gang, as we used to term it, weíve shared a focus together. Am I right?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

JOHN: Yeah, and Daniel?


JOHN: Not as brothers, but perhaps as sort of a teacher/learner, or maybe as a parent/child? I donít know. I know we were friends, but is there a teacher/learner relationship weíve had before, or not?

ELIAS: Yes, in a manner of speaking, in friendship.

JOHN: In friendship. Where and when, if I may ask?

ELIAS: Within a physical location that you identify as Finland, and within a time framework which you identify as sixteenth century.

JOHN: Okay. I like to keep in touch with some of these blokes. Where do we find humor in our game? It can be quite offensive to others. However, I personally ... (here, examples are given of various words in this game, but I canít make out what they are). Itís bizarre, but whereís the humor in that? What is humor, and where do we find humor in that?

ELIAS: You ARE expressing humor in these expressions, are you not?

JOHN: Yes!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And this is your expression of recognizing that in actuality, it matters not. These are all filtrations through your design of your perception.

JOHN: Okay, okay. So weíre playing games with our perception, and matching things in a certain sort of odd kind of way.


JOHN: And realizing that weíre perceiving it in a certain way, and laughing at it ...


JOHN: ... at our end result.


JOHN: Ah, okay! This is what I was trying to ask you in the last session. I think that Iíve got to ask you the questions, and then you answer me in such a way that I ask. (Elias chuckles) Indeed!

In this, can I ask Ė I must ask Ė do you know where I can acquire a (inaudible)?

ELIAS: Ah, you may be investigating of this yourself!

JOHN: And what about a (inaudible)? (Elias chuckles) The same, is what youíre saying?


JOHN: Theyíre quite Greek!

ELIAS: And you may continue with your game! Ha ha ha ha ha!

JOHN: I see that again as symbolizing a subjective undertaking.

ELIAS: Partially, but not entirely.

JOHN: Okay, because I have a hell of a time sometimes with German. I have a hell of a time Ė pronunciation, just bothering to sit down and study, and then vocabulary and so on and so forth. Itís a pain in the ass! On one hand, itís quite interesting, but on the other hand, I canít deal with it.

ELIAS: You may be engaging information subjectively, and accessing this through an objective translation. You may be engaging your activity of your portal through the Gates of Horn, so to speak!

JOHN: Ah, okay!

ELIAS: Ha ha!

JOHN: I can try! My extended family ... and I donít know, there is a thing about (inaudible), actually. I have a certain disinterest in other focuses, and my extended family holds a certain disinterest in me, and my immediate family also, where I think weíre quite similar in certain respects, but I think we move in different directions, and thereís not ... culturally, it would seem, with oneís immediate and extended family, thereís different relations, and I donít hold any of those. Could you comment, please?

ELIAS: And we have spoken of this previously.

JOHN: Yeah, briefly. We hold different ... well, weíve spoken about my assistant, actually, who with him, you said that we donít need to have certain things in common objectively, but we do certainly need to be friends. But we hold different intents, and those intents are quite in different directions.

ELIAS: You are correct; yes.

JOHN: Yeah, okay. Okay.

ELIAS: Let me express to you also that this may be applied in your understanding with many members of your family unit, so to speak. You have chosen to be manifesting within this particular family unit, but not necessarily to be participating with them in a tremendous association continuously, for your intent and your family alignment moves you in different types of expressions.

JOHN: Okay. Correct me if Iím wrong, but weíve all held focuses together, in one way or another, and with my mother, Iíve held focuses together particularly, however. Is that correct?


JOHN: Yeah, okay. Okay, and what of this chap? I think it was my mother who saw him, and he said, ďYou and your son, youíre made of the same sort of stuff.Ē Is she Sumari/Borledim?

ELIAS: Sumari, you are correct. Alignment, Vold.

JOHN: Vold, okay. And my father, his essence family and alignment?

ELIAS: Essence family, Zuli; alignment, Gramada.

JOHN: Ah, okay. And his orientation is common?


JOHN: Okay. My motherís orientation?

ELIAS: Common.

JOHN: Common, and my sisterís orientation?

ELIAS: Common.

JOHN: Okay. Iím the only soft one in the family Ė curious! My sisterís essence family and alignment?

ELIAS: Essence family, Milumet; alignment, Tumold.

JOHN: Okay, that would make sense. Yeah, okay. Very curious! Okay, I think weíve got about five minutes left at least, and Iíd like for you to just shoot the shit with me. Have you got anything to say, any silly remarks or what have you? I would like to offer you a fag, and Iíve got some great (inaudible), as it were.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I express....

JOHN: Most ... sorry!

ELIAS: You may continue! (Grinning)

JOHN: Most people, theyíve noticed blue lights and you playing with electricity and whatnot, and I havenít noticed anything as such, but then again, I havenít been open to anything as such. Have I missed something?

ELIAS: No, you have not necessarily missed any expression, although I may also express to you that you at times are not paying attention to the energy which I may be expressing to you.

JOHN: Hmm, okay.

ELIAS: Ha ha!

JOHN: Were you expressing energy to me this afternoon or last night?


JOHN: I felt quite under pressure.


JOHN: Yeah, okay. (Elias laughs) Alright, okay. Have you any remarks as I puff on a fag, or not?

ELIAS: Merely to be reminding you to be holding your attention within the now, and not distracting yourself with projections into what you perceive to be future actions and developments, so to speak.

JOHN: Okay.

ELIAS: But be paying attention to what you are creating now and be paying attention to the energy that you are expressing within this now, for you are engaging an action of familiarizing yourself with yourself and your own energy, and this may be quite beneficial to you objectively in many different types of expressions.

JOHN: Hmm. Have you got any comments about this (inaudible)?

ELIAS: I express to you to be following your choice.

JOHN: Yeah, okay. (Elias chuckles) That I shall do. Okay.

ELIAS: Ha ha! And I shall continue to be encouraging of you.

JOHN: Okay! When you say ... in our last session, you said ďau revoir.Ē When you say au revoir, do you mean it as sort of a good-bye generally, or do you really mean till later? How exacting are you in your language?

ELIAS: Ah! I shall express to you that my expression is not a farewell, but a continuation until later.

JOHN: So you are a genuine son of a bitch! (Laughing) Because I didnít realize we were gonna have another session!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

JOHN: (Inaudible), and you foresaw this, and you said au revoir! (Elias laughs) Curious, curious!

God, what do I have left to say? Whatís going on with ... weíve got a little time left. My interaction between London, my colleagues in London, and what Iím doing here, there are certain discrepancies, and I feel like Iím going in a different direction than they want to go, and I have trouble dealing with it, and I also have trouble dealing with the direction Iím moving into business-wise and the directions theyíre moving into business-wise.

ELIAS: This is also an expression of you familiarizing yourself with your energy and directing of yourself.

JOHN: Okay. So if I take the ball and hold onto it, Iím alright.

ELIAS: Yes. You are already alright! Ha ha ha ha ha!

JOHN: You interact with me in a certain way. I read the sessions and I think, ďWell, this is the way Elias is going to interact with me,Ē and Iíve taken an average look mentally at what goes on and what youíre talking about, but from the perspective of other sessions, you take certain liberties in dealing with me, from my perspective.

ELIAS: (Laughing) This is dependent upon the energy that you are projecting and what you allow yourself to be receiving in openness, and this is expressed differently with each individual.

JOHN: Hmm. I feel like there are things you could tell me that would throw me into conflict. Am I correct?

ELIAS: You are correct, and this be the reason that I am not offering of certain expressions.

JOHN: Okay, unless I ask for them.

ELIAS: Specifically, yes.

JOHN: I see, I see. I feel like Iíve covered as much ground as Iíve wanted to.

ELIAS: Very well!

JOHN: Yeah, I do, and....

ELIAS: And you may be allowing yourself to be assimilating what we have been discussing this day.

JOHN: I shall!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! And you may raise a glass for myself also!

JOHN: (Laughing) Iíll tell you what Ė I think I will tonight!

ELIAS: Very well!

JOHN: Iíll do that tonight!

ELIAS: Very well! Ha ha! And we shall engage great fun together!

JOHN: Indeed!

ELIAS: I express to you great affection, and I shall continue to be offering energy and encouragement to you, and I shall express to you once again, au revoir, my friend.

JOHN: Thank you very much indeed. Speak to you later.

Elias departs at 3:45 PM.

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