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Monday, November 13, 2000

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ďExploring Choices: SurgeryĒ

ďThe We Shall Become The IĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Leslie (Margaret).

Elias arrives at 12:20 p.m. (Arrival time is 24 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

LESLIE: (Giggling) Good morning!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) We meet again!


ELIAS: (Chuckling) And what shall we discuss this day?

LESLIE: Well, letís see. Weíll start with the bypass.

ELIAS: Very well.

LESLIE: I need to understand something. Each time I went to the doctor, I wasnít thinking there was really anything wrong, and each time I went, it kept getting worse. Finally, the bottom line was/is, I had the bypass. Now, when ... and it really annoyed me! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) You knew that, huh! It was kinda like when you had me do homework Ė it was that kind of annoyance.

ELIAS: I am aware! (Chuckling)

LESLIE: So at any rate, when I said to you, ďLetís go to workĒ Ė when I went to sleep before the surgery and I said, ďWe need to do some workĒ?

ELIAS: I am aware.

LESLIE: Okay. Iím not exactly sure ... at no time did it occur to me that I was ready to disengage. Things were very clear then, when all this was going on with the surgery and during the surgery, what little I remember, and you were there the whole time, huh?


LESLIE: Yes. It was not a big deal. It was just an experience.

ELIAS: This has provided you, in your own creation, with an excellent example.

Now; may you recall with me in this moment another incident/event that you created previously that you would view as a small example, in which in a moment of what you term to be physically hurting yourself ... are you recalling?

LESLIE: Yes. The knife and the finger. (reference #548)

ELIAS: Yes. In that moment, you held a clarity. Are you remembering?


ELIAS: And in that event which you presented to yourself, you held no conflict, no fear, and were merely allowing yourself to watch and observe a choice that you had engaged, and in that observance, you allowed yourself to step back, in a manner of speaking, momentarily from all of the influences of many of the strong beliefs that may have influenced you and your perception in that moment.

Now; you have created this situation in a similar type of manner as an example in more extreme, but this has also been quite purposeful to you. For in the extreme that you created this example, you have allowed yourself to view this as an event that has permeated all of your focus, all of the areas of your focus.

It is affecting of you in manners that extend beyond merely the actual physical body affectingness, but has also allowed you to view other involvements, such as how you interact with all of the individuals participating with you, how they interact with you, your own fears, your own beliefs, your own behaviors. It has offered you an example, that you may view and examine all of these different expressions within yourself that you automatically and continuously engage.

Now; you have also allowed yourself movement in this experience in similar manner to the experience that you created with your finger, allowing yourself, figuratively speaking, to step back and observe what you are creating.

In this, at times you experienced frustration or annoyance with this situation in its progression. Now; the reason that you experienced the frustration and the annoyance is an expression in conjunction with your association with time.

Now; this also is another factor that is significant in all of your symbology in this particular creation. It has offered you a tremendous volume of information, and an opportunity to witness objectively your own responses and behaviors in relation to many different aspects of your beliefs.

This also, in like manner to many, many, many other individuals presently, is a creation that you have chosen objectively in movement with this wave in consciousness addressing to the belief system of duplicity, allowing you to view different aspects of your own expressions in automatic responses in relation to this particular belief system.

In this, in like manner to many other individuals presently, you have allowed yourself, in a manner of speaking, to be objectively confronting the aspect of this belief which expresses itself in the identification of victim, and all that you view to be out of your control and not actually chosen by you, but chosen about you and chosen for you.

Each time an individual creates a response within their perception that they assess any aspect of their reality is being created FOR them and that they are not CHOOSING that creation, the individual is automatically also expressing some identification and association with the aspect of victim.

In this, many individuals, and yourself also, have and are and continue to be presenting this bird in all of its fullness to themselves, through the action of creating clear, specific, objective and significant events and actions, to be offering themselves clear examples of the automatic movement into this association as a victim, and how that role denies you all of your choices.

Now; in this, let me also express to you an acknowledgment, for you are correct that you moved yourself through a process, allowing yourself to be creating interactions with other individuals, with yourself, with your own behaviors, with the responses of other individuals, and with your own responses in relation to your creations within your physical body.

Now; understand that I hold the awareness that you present all of these examples to yourself. But within the process of offering yourself all of these examples, you are not necessarily also offering yourself an objective understanding or a clarity as to what you are creating and why you are creating in those moments; not that you may not be, but in discussing this particular event and your particular situation, realistically speaking, you were not entirely allowing yourself a clarity and an objective understanding of all that you were creating, but this matters not.

For you are moving yourself NOW into more of an objective awareness and understanding of what you have chosen, and an element Ė a strong element Ė of that awareness began in the moment prior to the event of the surgery, in which you allowed yourself to relax and move WITH your energy rather than forcing energy or opposing energy.

At that moment, you are correct Ė you called to myself for the interaction of my energy with you, and in that moment, you allowed yourself to relax and to not be holding to your energy so tightly, and allowed yourself to flow WITH your creation rather than opposing your creation.

This is a significant movement. This is a significant action that you allowed yourself to be creating, for it also has been significantly influencing of your movement subsequent to the choice of engaging this surgery. Your movement has been easier than you may have created it were you not allowing yourself that action of relaxation.

In your terms, it may almost be likened to an association of resignation ... ALMOST, for the term of resignation is suggestive that you are surrendering aspects of your movement or your power or your choice to something else.

But in this, in actuality, what you have allowed yourself is that surrender to self Ė that resignation to self Ė to be moving WITH rather than judging and moving against, in a manner of speaking.

Now; this has all provided you with many examples of your own choices, your own movements, your own behaviors, and your interactions with other individuals.

In this, you have allowed yourself to move into a closer proximity to the expression of ďit matters not,Ē which you are aware of, are you not?


ELIAS: This may be quite encouraging to you, for that expression of ďit matters notĒ is the expression of acceptance.

Acceptance is not without emotion, or even without opinion. But it IS without judgment, which allows for much more of an openness and a free flow of energy, and this is what you are moving yourself into and what you are allowing as you have created this action.

Let me express to you, Margaret, throughout your focus, as you are aware, you have chosen to create excitement and drama in many, many, many experiences. This is the manner in which you choose to move.

But you also have sought out objective information Ė such as that which I present or that which Seth has presented or other essences have offered Ė and as you allow yourself the objective acquisition of that information, in part you have moved in an expression of judgment in relation to yourself.

As you allow yourself to view your own movements and your own choices and your own behaviors throughout your focus, and you view the association of drama or extreme or excitement, you judge those choices as being unenlightened, and as being aspects of yourself that need be changed to be displaying more calm and more of what you perceive to be an evenness of movement.

In this experience that you have presented to yourself, the expression of resignation that you have offered yourself Ė which is significant Ė is a relaxing and a surrender to yourself that this is your natural inclination in how you create your individual reality, and this is acceptable.

You need not be continuing to compare yourself with other individuals, and view yourself as ďless thanĒ or others as ďbetter thanĒ in their choice of movement. For they may not choose to be creating in the type of drama that you create, but drama is not bad. It is merely a different choice.

In this, you have allowed yourself to momentarily view that how you create is also acceptable. It is merely a different expression, and it needs not be the same as other individuals. That does not designate it as wrong. (Pause)

Are you understanding?

LESLIE: Yes, because it cleared up a lot of other things as well. The other thing that it did is, it brought Margaret and I together.

ELIAS: I am quite understanding.

LESLIE: Itís not as separate. Iím not gonna say that once in a while I donít do it, but itís not very often now. Itís kind of a ďweĒ thing. I donít separate the two now.

ELIAS: And as you continue in this movement, the ďweĒ shall become the ďI.Ē


ELIAS: And that shall be the disassembling of the remaining separation within your perception of yourself and essence. It shall move into merely the ďIĒ and not the ďwe.Ē

But this is significant movement that you have created, for as we spoke previously, you had been creating a perception in tremendous separation of yourself and this ďentityĒ of essence. (Chuckling)

LESLIE: I know, I know! (Laughing)

ELIAS: And this has been greatly decreased and lessened in your association with yourself, and how wondrous is that in offering you much more freedom!

LESLIE: I didnít understand completely the surgery Ė why that was necessary. But after the information you provided, it makes a good deal of sense now, in the things that it accomplished.

ELIAS: Quite, and be remembering, there is an automatic association that the creation that you have engaged is bad, is negative, is a malfunction ... which as any element is associated to be malfunctioning, it is certainly not good!

And as you create those automatic expressions and associations with your choice to be creating this event, you are fighting with your own creation, for you are continuously creating judgments, expressing to yourself that this is unacceptable, that it is bad.

And it becomes worse as you move through the process and you are engaging the medical profession and your physicians, and beyond this, it becomes even worse again, that you engage this action of agreeing to be participating in surgery. Oh my! We have moved into MANY expressions of worse and worse and worse as we proceed!

LESLIE: I know! Thatís what happened! (Laughing)

ELIAS: But in this, the information that you are offering to yourself Ė that you may begin to view now Ė is that it is not worse and worse and worse. They are merely choices, and it matters not. There is no necessity for judgment.

You have chosen to create an action. You have chosen to create a physical affectingness within your physical body. It is not good or bad or right or wrong. It is merely a creation. It is neutral in itself, and YOU have chosen it. No other aspect of consciousness has chosen it for you. Therefore, you are not a victim.

Why shall you create any aspect of your reality and fight with what you have created? YOU have chosen it!

LESLIE: Thatís true.

ELIAS: But you fight with it, for you do not believe that you have chosen it. You believe you have CREATED it, but you do not believe you have CHOSEN it.

LESLIE: Oh! Oh, oh, oh! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Therefore, you create the struggle and the fight within you.

But in this, you allow yourself to view this resignation, which is the relaxing and the recognizing that you are not merely creating any event or action within your focus, but you are CHOOSING to be creating that.

Therefore, you are not a victim, and therefore, you also offer yourself the freedom to be moving WITH your creation, and choosing many other avenues in association with it. (Pause)

LESLIE: Oh, itís much clearer now. Thatís cool, though!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE: Now, when I said, ďWell, if this is the way itís gonna be, itís gonna be,Ē I didnít consider myself a victim, did I? Or at that point, did I?


Now; this is what I am expressing to you. You have allowed yourself, in the moment prior to the actual surgery Ė in which you relaxed and in which you created that movement of resignation to self Ė and in that moment, you moved yourself much closer to the genuine expression of ďit matters not,Ē and as you created that action, you also began to allow yourself the freedom to not be a victim, and to discontinue that role and choose another role and choose another action.

LESLIE: Yeah. Since the surgery, many, many, many things have changed.

ELIAS: Quite!

LESLIE: Many things, too many to even go into. You covered them very well. Iím getting into individual, real stuff. You know what Iím saying? But yes, it was my way of telling myself, my message to me or something like that or however you want to put it. Whatever it was, it worked very well.

ELIAS: Quite! (Chuckling)

LESLIE: You know what, though? When I came out of the surgery Ė the time I had the tube down my throat?


LESLIE: I kept grabbing for air. I kept grabbing my hand in the air, like grabbing for something, and I said, ďYou can breath, just relax,Ē and I was able to. But ever since the surgery, Iím doing the same with the breathing now, where I canít seem to get my breath.

Why have I incorporated that into my life? Am I supposed to be paying attention when this happens?


LESLIE: Iíve been trying to associate the breathing with something that is going on at the moment, but Iím not sure, you know? Is that whatís happening?

ELIAS: Allow yourself to be paying attention to this action, for this also is significant. This is a reminder to you.

You presented yourself with another objective example in that action, in your physical incorporation within hospital of the tube, which you viewed in that moment to be an obstruction, a barrier, an obstacle, in a manner of speaking, that obstructed your ability to be engaging breathing freely.

Are you following thus far?


ELIAS: Now; subsequently you have created a similar type of action without the tube within your breathing, and you have created that significantly, that you may allow yourself in certain moments to stop and be paying attention.

Allow yourself to relax, and allow yourself in that moment to recognize that within that moment, there is an expression that you are creating in which you are associating that some action, some expression, is obstructing your ability to be flowing freely.

It may be some action that is occurring outside of you. It may be some association with an influence of a belief occurring within you in the moment. It matters not. Each time that you are creating this, you are creating it as a trigger point, a focal point, in a manner of speaking.

You create it momentarily to gain your attention and remind yourself that within that moment, you are experiencing an obstruction Ė or what you perceive to be an obstruction Ė and that in allowing yourself the same action that you allowed yourself WITH the tube, you shall move into more of an ease, and this experience shall dissipate.

It is merely a trigger point that you have created, recognizing that is shall instantaneously gain your attention. But you also need not continue the action beyond that point of gaining your attention, for it has accomplished what you wish for it to be accomplishing in gaining your attention!

LESLIE: Okay. Just for a little bit of clarification, Iím doing it right now, but why would I be doing it now? I realize itís a trigger and Iím glad because I think itís a good thing, because then it draws my attention to whatís going on at that very moment.

ELIAS: Quite, and within....

LESLIE: I donít particularly want to get rid of the trigger, but I donít understand. Like for instance, at this moment, what would be causing it?

ELIAS: Your association with your lack of an ability to be objectively understanding.

LESLIE: Oh, okay! Okay. Oh wow! Oh, okay. (Elias chuckles) So every time I do this, there is something going on that I need to be aware of.

ELIAS: Quite, and allow yourself the same action that you allowed yourself objectively in hospital. Allow yourself to turn your attention in that moment and relax, and view that you do hold the ability to breath freely and that there is no obstruction.

LESLIE: Yes. Sometimes it goes away very quickly when I think like that.

ELIAS: Quite.

LESLIE: And other times Iíve had it last five or six hours ...

ELIAS: Quite.

LESLIE: ... where Iím gasping for air.

ELIAS: Quite, and I am understanding. This is reinforced because you continue to create the tension.

LESLIE: And that can be also when I hold my energy too tight?

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

LESLIE: Ah! Oh, I like that trigger! Well, I donít like it SO much, but.... (Laughing)


LESLIE: I mean, itís uncomfortable Ďcause itís kind of frightening!

ELIAS: But....

LESLIE: Iíve never created anything with breathing. I think of Margot quite frequently whenever I do this....

ELIAS: (Chuckling) But in this....

LESLIE: I think of her because she does this kind of thing, and I guess itís similar.

ELIAS: But in this, you also have offered yourself examples in which you view that the trigger discontinues quite quickly at times.

LESLIE: Oh yes!

ELIAS: Therefore, you also recognize that you do hold the ability to accomplish that, which is reinforcing.

Therefore, in the moments that you are NOT discontinuing this action immediately, you may also recognize that you ARE holding tightly to your energy, and you are creating the action continuously by incorporating a tremendous expression of tension.

And as you allow yourself to dissipate the tension within your physical energy ... AND within nonphysical energy Ė your energy field, your emotional expressions, your thoughts. These also may be incorporated into relaxing; not merely physical muscle relaxation or physical nerve relaxation and responsiveness of your physical body consciousness, but other aspects of your energy also.

This is the area that you incorporate the difficulty, in those moments which you continue the obstruction within your breathing for extended time frameworks. You are continuing to hold tightly to your energy and create a tension within your energy, not merely your body consciousness.

LESLIE: Okay, but Iím glad I created the breathing thing because I need things in black and white. That sounds ridiculous, but I donít do gray areas well. I donít guess very well! (Laughing)

ELIAS: HA HA HA HA! I may express to you that it is quite efficient! It does gain your attention and you do offer yourself an identification, in your terms, within your beliefs, that you hold some aspect of control in this situation, that you do yourself hold the ability to manipulate it.

Therefore, you allow yourself an acknowledgment that you may create it, and you may alter it. You may create it, and you may change it. Therefore, you do not express the entirety of the role of victim in these trigger creations, for you also acknowledge to yourself that you hold choice in this action, and that you may change it.

Therefore, it IS quite efficient!

LESLIE: Yeah, I like it!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE: You mentioned another time that there was another focus, and that we had similar experiences going on?


LESLIE: Why would I ... well, why would anybody duplicate a focus?

ELIAS: You do not duplicate, in a manner of speaking, in entirety, but there are many focuses that each essence creates that mirror each other or that do create similar types of experiences.

Now; you as essence create this type of action in allowing yourself to experience different angles of the same or similar choices, differences within perceptions; even some similarities in perceptions, but in certain alterations of the experience itself.

You may create similar perceptions and different choice for objective imagery. You may create similar objective imagery with different perceptions. You offer yourself the opportunity to view all of your experiences from many different angles and approach them through many different avenues.

This offers you an exploration, and this is the point of all of your manifestations within this physical dimension, is to be exploring all of your expressions and creativity and designs of consciousness, and how it may be manipulated in this physical dimension.

LESLIE: Yes, and I donít have very many Ė 24 Ė and what did you say? The average is three or four hundred, and I only have 24, so....

ELIAS: Quite. You have very few manifestations within this physical dimension.

LESLIE: I didnít really want to do this or something? (Laughing)

ELIAS: You DO focus your attention in other physical dimensions in much greater quantities.

LESLIE: Oh really! How exciting!

ELIAS: In this particular dimension, you have not chosen to be creating a tremendous expression of exploration in this particular physical design.

Now; let me also express to you, one of the reasons, in actuality, that your essence has chosen not to be creating many manifestations in this particular physical dimension is that this particular physical dimension is extremely complicated and intricate in its design, and your essence moves in a manner of preference to less of an expression of intricacy and complication.

LESLIE: Are you saying Iím lazy? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Not at all!

LESLIE: It just struck me so funny! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha! And in this, what may be quite amusing to you is that within the focuses that you do manifest in this particular dimension, you create Ė in each of them Ė almost an extreme in the exploration of the complication of this physical dimension! (Chuckling)

LESLIE: So 24 is probably quite enough! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite! (Laughing)

LESLIE: (Cracking up) Oh, thatís funny!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: You know what? I really ... and here we go with the good and bad and all that stuff. But I really am quite proud of myself! It feels like Iíve come a long way, and it feels comfortable.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! And I may be quite acknowledging to you also in that expression! (Chuckling)

LESLIE: Iíd like to ask a question ... oh, Iíd like to ask you a quick question. Someone is getting information from (name deleted). Iím not sure who she is; I think sheís some kind of ... Iím not sure. I think sheís supposed to be a psychic, but I donít really know that much about her. Is this kind of information reliable? (Pause)

ELIAS: I shall express to you, reliable is a relative term.

I shall offer to you that the information that is offered by this individual is filtered through the individualís associations and beliefs. This is not to say that much of the information is not valid, but it is filtered through the individualís associations concerning this physical dimension; also concerning the individualís beliefs in relation to nonphysical or other areas of consciousness. This individual holds strong associations with certain beliefs concerning nonphysical areas of consciousness.

Now; be understanding, this is not to say that all of you do not hold strong associations and beliefs with regard to your physical dimension, your physical reality, and to nonphysical aspects of reality, and in this, they are not right or wrong, and it is not to say that those associations are not real, for they are.

LESLIE: For that individual, for her.

ELIAS: Correct....

LESLIE: Correct?

ELIAS: Correct, and you or another individual does not express more enlightenment, so to speak, that you associate in a different manner. Your association with nonphysical expressions of consciousness is no more devoid of beliefs than this individualís.

Therefore, this individual may express an identification of angels, and you may express an identification of essences or guides, and you are expressing the same. You are choosing different terminology, but your associations are the same.

In this, as you allow yourself to be observing and acquiring information from this individual, I am merely expressing to you that you allow yourself the awareness that the individual is offering information, but that information is being translated and filtered through her individual beliefs and associations as...

LESLIE: Itís not the same as talking to you.

ELIAS: she perceives her reality.

LESLIE: Yes. I have no interest in going in that direction, but a friend was saying that they were going in that direction, and I just was curious whether or not ... I had a feeling that it had to do with belief systems and translation of information.

ELIAS: Correct. But this, as I have stated, is not to say that the information offered is not valid.

LESLIE: Her terminology is totally different than what Iíve learned from you, so it was just sort of confusing.

ELIAS: And it may be, within the perception of some individuals.

LESLIE: Yes Ė for me! You know how I like things cut and dried!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! And your method is quite perfectly being created within you!

LESLIE: Yeah, thatís the easiest way for me. I try to go along with this trust in self thing, but I donít do very well with it!

ELIAS: Ah, and I may disagree!

LESLIE: But look Ė as far as I was concerned with my husband, there was no connection at all, and I had 14 focuses with him! So we had a big connection! And then I thought I probably had a focus with Seth, but I didnít think I had any focuses with you, and it was the exact opposite! So, my....

ELIAS: Let me express to you, Margaret....

LESLIE: Oh, okay. Youíre gonna tell me why this happens?


LESLIE: Okay, good! (Laughing)

ELIAS: For this is not in actuality the direction of your attention in this physical dimension.

You do not engage many focuses, many manifestations in this physical dimension, which we have discussed, and your attention in those manifestations is not directed in the association with other individuals and your interplay with other individuals or your objective association of your ďconnection,Ē so to speak, with other individuals in this physical dimension, for your attention is upon what YOU are creating in each of your manifestations.

You are fully attending to, in your attention, your exploration of how you may be manipulating energy in consciousness in association with this physical dimension and its design, and how YOU may be creating all of these experiences.

In each focus, you do hold an attention as to your interaction with other individuals, and how that may be associated with you and how it may be affecting of you and how you may be affecting of other individuals or of situations. But the baseline direction of your attention in this physical dimension is upon what YOU can and shall and will create.

LESLIE: Thatís cool!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE: (Cracking up) Itís a good thing I like it, huh? (They both laugh) Because it is what it is! (Elias chuckles) I have one more quick question.

ELIAS: Very well.

LESLIE: Itís about somebody I correspond with, not very frequently but once in a while, in my email. What is the draw there? (Pause)

ELIAS: What is your impression?

LESLIE: Oh gosh. You know I donít do well with these things!

ELIAS: Ah ah ah ah ah!

LESLIE: Another focus? (Elias chuckles) A relationship in another focus?

ELIAS: Ah. Tsk, tsk. This is a poor attempt at a guess.

LESLIE: Oh, it is?


LESLIE: (Laughing) I have no clue Ė a family?

ELIAS: You draw yourself to this individual in fascination of this individualís energy and choices and creations in this focus. You hold a fascination in relation to the energy of this individual.

You do share other focuses, but as we have just discussed in this now, for the most part your attention is not focused in the direction of investigating what you are participating within in other focuses or who you are participating with.

LESLIE: I mean really, who cares?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: I mean, Iíve got enough to do right here. I donít have time to be doing that! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! You do occupy your attention quite well in this physical focus, ha ha!

LESLIE: Iím gonna ask you a silly question, and then I think Iím finished. I still want to say, ďHey, if I disengage, so what?Ē But thatís not true. Iím still scared to death, excuse the pun. But the thing is, I want to be more comfortable with that; I donít want to be afraid of it. But I have absolutely no clue of what itís like on the ďother side,Ē as we say it; itís the only way I can put it right now. (Elias chuckles) I donít have a clue, and thatís whatís frightening. Itís not the disengagement, exactly. Itís the not knowing.


LESLIE: I think, isnít it?

ELIAS: But you are also offering yourself movement in the direction of less fear and less apprehension in association with that subject matter or type of movement, and you have reinforced that in this experience that you have offered to yourself recently engaging your surgery.

LESLIE: But see, I wasnít afraid of anything during the surgery.

ELIAS: Quite.

LESLIE: Nothing mattered. Whatever happened, it mattered not. I wasnít gonna disengage, and I knew that ... I mean, at least at that moment, I thinkI did.

ELIAS: You are correct.

LESLIE: I was really cool at that time. I mean, cooler than Iíve ever been Ė that and the finger incident.

ELIAS: Quite, and these are examples to you of unfamiliar actions, and the objective not recognizing of a direction, so to speak, but also simultaneously recognizing an outcome in each moment; not what you view through your beliefs as movement that leads to an outcome which creates a permanence, in a manner of speaking, but that you are already creating the outcome in each moment.

This offers you an example of the ease in movement into other expressions Ė even death Ė as merely a movement into yet another unknown. But you are creating the outcomes in each moment, and therefore it is not a situation of anticipation, but merely relaxing in what you are already creating.

LESLIE: Yeah. So it matters not about disengagement because itís not happening right now, and at the moment of disengagement, it will probably be exactly the same as the surgery.

ELIAS: You are correct.

LESLIE: Very good! Hey, I AM doing good! (They both laugh)

ELIAS: I am greatly acknowledging of you! You have offered yourself a tremendous example and a tremendous opportunity which you have, in your terms, taken advantage of, and in this, I am tremendously acknowledging of your allowance of yourself to be creating this movement, and moving more into the genuine expression of acceptance.

LESLIE: Is that what Iíve been so excited about for the last week?


LESLIE: Oh! Iíve been so excited that Iíve been beyond myself! I thought, this is kind of like when youíre a little kid and Christmas is coming! Thatís how I felt, and I thought, Iíve got to ask you why Iím feeling so good! Everything is so cool!

ELIAS: And now, objectively you know! (Laughing)

LESLIE: I know, and itís really cool! Yeah! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Very well, my friend.

LESLIE: Thank you so much!

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

LESLIE: There were times I didnít know if I was gonna make it.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And you do!

LESLIE: But did I get to the top of the hill yet?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE: I think I did! Iím close, anyway!

ELIAS: I shall leave this to your impression! Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: Okay. I may not be at the top, but Iím real close! (They both laugh) Good!

ELIAS: I shall continue to offer my expression of energy to you and be encouraging to you, and be playful with you!

LESLIE: Thank you so much.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. I anticipate our continued interaction and our next objective meeting in playfulness.

LESLIE: Thank you very much.

ELIAS: To you, in friendship, au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:27 p.m.

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