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Thursday, November 29, 2001

<  Session 970 (Private/Phone)  >

“Other-Dimensional Exploration”

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Anjuli (Miranda).

Elias arrives at 11:46 AM. (Arrival time is 22 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

ANJULI: Good afternoon, Elias! And the last time I had thought it would take so much longer before we talk again! (Chuckling)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! And you continue to surprise yourself.

ANJULI: Oh yes, definitely! (Laughs) Definitely!

That was a surprising week. In the beginning I was so homesick for you, although I felt you, but I had a feeling of longing, longing, longing, and I discovered that it was not a longing because of feeling separation or anything like that, it was just the discovery of more choices or what I want or a stronger feeling ... I think I have difficulties to express it in words. It was a good feeling.

ELIAS: A recognition of self.

ANJULI: Yes. Then I created wonderful experiences, energy experiences of feeling you.

ELIAS: In moments in which you allowed yourself to be more playful.

ANJULI: Yes. (Laughs) That was definitely a week of discovering how do I feel and how do I create when I am not playful and what energies are not playful, and how do things work when I am playful and have the attention on playfulness.

ELIAS: Correct, and continuing to experiment in noticing these differences.

ANJULI: Yes, yes. I had to think a lot of what we talked about in that session. I surprised myself by discovering mails which were sent two days before about playfulness, for example, and I discovered the mail only when I was coming back to playfulness. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Ha ha! And therefore offering yourself a validation.

ANJULI: Yes, yes. Yes, that worked. (Elias chuckles)

Also in the days after the last session I had sometimes a strong feeling ... I felt the energy of Ordin, and it was so easy. Is this correct?


ANJULI: And I was wondering, I knew it ... I mean, for example with you I have lots of imageries and I talk with you, but with Ordin I just knew without anything that it is him.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: This felt very familiar, and it was great. (Elias laughs) I think at the time when I felt him more closely I had more difficulties to feel you, and then I thought it is probably because of feeling into the differences of the energies, and so I take one and then the other. (Laughs)

ELIAS: Correct, and therefore allowing yourself to more clearly identify and not create confusion.

ANJULI: I had to think again of this imagery we also discussed in the last session, about when I imagine lots of us suddenly being together on a spaceship and also the non-physical essences. When I had created that for the first time ... I do not remember exactly, but it was because I wanted to feel that togetherness and also I wanted somehow a togetherness of us in one place. Also I remember I created it because I wanted to know about the other non-physical essences I am connecting with, and so then this imagery was about watching you communicating with other beings. There was this feeling we talked the last time about, this feeling of deep happiness when I just stood there and watched you interacting.

ELIAS: I am understanding.

ANJULI: Yes. I remember that when I had this imagery, this feeling was so overwhelming and then the imagery started to kind of get continued by itself. There was another essence, and he took me to some other place a little bit away and we had a connection, and the energy of this essence was exactly like the energy of Ordin. Is this right?


ANJULI: By that I kind of discovered my relationship to him in my relationship to you, about this whole connection?

ELIAS: And the lack of separation. What are you offering to yourself in information concerning these experiences?

ANJULI: I offered myself the information, this feeling of happiness when I watch you interacting with others.

ELIAS: And are you also noticing, my friend, merely the allowance of yourself to experience this lack of separation of essences and of yourself in a more expansive manner, not limited to the expressions or ideas of what is familiar within your physical dimension in automatically associating with individual shared focuses or experiences, but recognizing, in allowing yourself to pierce these veils of separation, that essences are continuously moving in mergence with each other and therefore are continuously, in a figurative manner of speaking, in and out of each other’s expressions, and therefore the movement is not limited to merely physical expressions within particular dimensions?

ANJULI: Yes, I also thought about that when I continued to read in my book about you and me, Runi and Inmi. Sometimes I was so surprised about myself, about how I translate our interaction and the interaction of you with others and how I perceive it and everything. It must be such a playful interaction. There is SO MUCH humor in it and creativity and playfulness. I was sometimes just sitting there laughing and laughing.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! This is a natural movement of consciousness. (Pause)

ANJULI: Elias?


ANJULI: A natural movement of...?

ELIAS: Of consciousness.

ANJULI: Aha, yes. And you know, I love the story I have created around us. (Chuckles) I am quite proud of it!

ELIAS: And this is quite an acknowledgment of self.

ANJULI: Yes. (Elias laughs) Yes, I do acknowledge myself for that. It’s really great! (Laughing)

And, Elias, I discovered in that that apparently the situations I created for Runi and Inmi, they are all about expanding beliefs, like sexuality, relationships, emotions, body. I discovered almost everything in there. I kind of created situations, relationships and everything that Runi has with Inmi, all into kind of extremes, as if creating not limitingness and then discovering all the possibilities of how to use them kind of, and also as if they were then exploding or not there, or ... I don’t know how to express.

ELIAS: I am understanding. What you present yourself in this expression of creativity is an example of exploration, allowing yourself to explore many different aspects of beliefs, in a manner of speaking allowing yourself to examine all of the birds within the birdcage and recognizing all of these different expressions of belief systems, therefore allowing yourself in a creative manner to incorporate an awareness of the different aspects of beliefs and the numerous aspects of beliefs.

As you generate this type of exploration, you also recognize that you are not bound to them but that you do incorporate choice concerning them, and therefore generate the imagery of explosion of them, in a manner of speaking. But your explosion of them moves more in an expression of what you identify in your physical dimension as fireworks, correct?

ANJULI: Yes! (Laughs) I like to create those fireworks by my relationship with you. Apparently that’s very easy to create this firework when I connect with you. I think that’s what I am telling myself.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Very well! (Pause)

ANJULI: In my book, Runi always has phases of forgetting, and she then remembers in a more abstract way, so not fully consciously, and it is always about knowing that she will come into remembrance again and that it’s also going to be together with this relationship of Runi and Inmi.

ELIAS: Correct, which is an allowance [and] which is also your imagery concerning yourself and what you generate within your awareness of allowance, and in that allowance creating an expression which generates a perception that even within the moments that you are expressing an obstacle or you are forgetful of your playfulness, you continue to allow that expression in a manner which is less serious and therefore generates less thickness.

ANJULI: She also travels through time and to other places, and I had the most interesting thoughts around what is happening when she is traveling, let’s say, ten years back in time and is meeting Inmi when he is ten years less old, and then creating something different in the past. This is happening back and forth several times, and somehow this was so ... it was challenging, of course, for me to think about that, but also there was created some kind of easiness, playfulness, also some kind of firework.

ELIAS: Correct, for you are offering yourself information concerning how you may manipulate your reality and create different expressions within your reality, and that the expression of time is quite generated through your perception of it. Therefore, in actuality you may turn your attention and move into an expression of what you view as past, generate different choices and alter the reality in that moment.

For in actuality, the movement of time is a projection of your perception, and all of the events are occurring now. It is merely a matter of which events you choose to be inserting into this objective physical reality and which you choose to generate in probable realities. But you do incorporate the ability to be turning your attention to what you perceive to be a past event, and moving that into a probable reality and inserting a probable choice into your objective reality.

ANJULI: Then that is apparently what I am telling myself in the book...

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: ...with what she is doing.


ANJULI: Then she discovers, of course again together with Inmi, that apparently whatever she was creating in the various probabilities she was facing, like going back and creating something new in that time and altering the present reality by that, she discovers that whatever she creates always she uses what seems to be an obstacle for to jump forward for fun, for expanding.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: So that’s again about this playfulness and about how I perceive something.

ELIAS: Correct. You are exploring this mechanism of perception. (Pause)

ANJULI: Runi often has this imagery of two lights, and she calls that “the big light and the small light which is big, too,” and in her imagery Runi is aware of the desire of their mergence, temporarily or whatever. This is, of course, also about her and Inmi. She is sometimes not aware of the interaction of the two lights, sometimes she is, and Inmi understands what she means with “the small light that is big, too.” It is not something about smaller or less or young, it is about this specific way of expressing or of how my essence is. I just don’t know how to put it in other words. But I feel it from my writings that I, as Runi, know what I mean, and of course you, as Inmi, know it, too, and that makes her so happy.

ELIAS: I am understanding. And are you also allowing yourself to recognize your expression in relation to this imagery of these lights in correlation with my analogy concerning the large dog and the small dog? (1)

ANJULI: Oh, no. Is that in one of your sessions?


ANJULI: Hah! I have not discovered that yet!

ELIAS: And you are generating your own expression and imagery of this concept within your expression of the large light and the small light, recognizing quite accurately that the small light or the small dog is in actuality not smaller or weaker. Its expression may merely appear softer, temporarily.

ANJULI: I had in that also another way of how I tried to express that. Runi and Inmi and the others, they discover that they all have a certain age which they like to stay in, and these different ages are not about older and younger, they are a different way of expressing, of using ... like when you are 20 years old, you use it for to express in a certain way, and 40 years of age for to express in another way, and it is not about younger and not-younger. So that’s also about this small and big light?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes – becoming more familiar with yourself, and paying attention and recognizing your preferences, and generating more of an expression of intimacy with self, therefore paying attention to the small light.

ANJULI: Then this can also have something to do with why I choose in this dimension the essence family of Milumet for example, because that fits to that preference?


ANJULI: The same with why I just have 73 focuses?

ELIAS: This is merely a choice of participation in this particular dimension, and that you incorporate preference of manifestations in other dimensions.

ANJULI: When I compare my focuses and yours, then you are my grandfather or great-grandfather! (Laughs with Elias) Usually I prefer to see you as a big brother – with a little bit of incest in there.

ELIAS: AH! Ha ha ha ha!

ANJULI: (Chuckles) That’s how I kind of translate that intimacy.

ELIAS: Allowing for the spiciness! Ha ha ha!

ANJULI: (Laughs) About the big light and the small light, once Inmi explained to Runi when she does not know where the big light is and how to find it and how to merge with it, he said something that I would translate as it is about me telling myself that I want to reach out to you, how you are, and not limit myself by having my attention mainly here and hoping you will come to me here. I mean, I want it that you come here, but you know what I mean? It is about what you said at the beginning, about not limiting it to this dimension. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes. I may express to you, there are many layers concerning this imagery that you have created. Another layer in association with this imagery is the desire to be objectively recognizing the action of merging these two expressions into harmony and allowing yourself to generate an incorporation of both, in a manner of speaking, equally and therefore offering yourself a greater expression of freedom, which also generates the remembrance. (45-second pause)

ANJULI: In my book Inmi also has another sister. She is called Wadonna. I had the feeling that her energy represents Otha. Is that correct?

ELIAS: In your imagery, yes, this is what you are...

ANJULI: And you fragmented from Ordin and Otha, so that is not about relationship – because essences anyway don’t have these human relationships – but the energy of her?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Where did I fragment from?

ELIAS: Are you inquiring of the identification of essence tones?


ELIAS: Very well. (Pause) Fragmenting essences, Lissa (LIH sah)...

ANJULI: What was that?

ELIAS: One moment.

ANJULI: Yes. (Pause)

ELIAS: ...Zuran (ZOAR ahn), Mi (MY). First essence, L-I-S-S–A; second essence ... second essence expresses very small involvement in this fragmentation. In actuality, I may express to you that the qualities that you chose in association with the second essence are in your terms such a small expression that this essence may in actuality not be recognized as a contributing factor, so to speak, to this fragmentation. I may express to you that you, as the fragmented essence, have chosen many qualities and expressions of energy from the essence of Mi.

ANJULI: Could you spell?

ELIAS: M-I. You have expressed an energy or have been, in a manner of speaking, a desired quality of that essence, choosing to be generating your own expression of essence from that particular essence in mergence with other essences. (2)

ANJULI: Elias, that is interesting because in my book, before I was choosing the name of “Inmi” for you, I had another name, and the second expression was Mi.


ANJULI: After all, it is also in “Inmi.”

ELIAS: Ah. This is your association with that particular essence which you incorporate what you may express as a great affinity for.

ANJULI: Is this essence physical or not physical?


ANJULI: And the third one was, this where just a small participation is, what was that name again?

ELIAS: I shall retract that essence, for the expression is, in a manner of speaking, inconsequential. (Pause)

ANJULI: Elias, why is my essence name, Miranda, in the game?

ELIAS: These are, in a manner of speaking, symbolic. These names are symbolic of certain types of energies. If you are so choosing, you may be inquiring of Michael or Lawrence for information concerning this game. I may express to you that this particular naming is not in association with your essence, so to speak.

ANJULI: Yes, I already asked them, but they wouldn’t know exactly, or ... I thought ask you again. So it has nothing to do with these 12 essences of the energy exchange?

ELIAS: No, I may express it is more of an identification of qualities and expressions of energies that may translate into a word, so to speak, but not actually in association with an actual essence.

ANJULI: And Ordin and Otha are part of those 12 essences facilitating the energy exchange?


ANJULI: Do I know the others also, I mean, on the inner? Am I connected with them also?

ELIAS: Yes, for you are connected with all essences, and you are also participating within this forum and therefore generating an interaction with all of these essences.

ANJULI: Why did Ordin feel so familiar to me?

ELIAS: For you are allowing yourself to participate in this forum, and therefore you are allowing yourself an openness to become familiar objectively with these essences and with other essences also, which offers you information concerning the lack of separation of essences and consciousness, and also allows you, in your terms as you express it, to feel into the expansiveness of yourself as essence.

ANJULI: So when Ordin, of all of the various non-physical essences, was coming into my awareness next to the one of you, it was more of a choice and not something specific like the energy or because you fragmented from there and I feel you?

ELIAS: And this is your choice to be familiarizing yourself with that essence first, in a manner of speaking. For my energy is familiar to you, therefore your translation is that this essence’s energy shall be somewhat familiar to you also through your familiarity with my energy. (54-second pause)

ANJULI: I long to create various kinds of meeting you or discovering other dimensions with you, or the same that Runi is doing...

ELIAS: But you ARE generating this, my friend, through the expression of your creativity.

ANJULI: Yes, I somehow just had the desire to form it into words. Somehow that was important.

ELIAS: And I am acknowledging of your expressions and your creation of this exploration and interaction.

ANJULI: Yes, I am very busy working on that. (Chuckles, and Elias laughs) It’s something very good for to draw my attention to. It’s natural, I don’t have to think about that.

We are going to have a little bit time, so I thought we could probably talk a little bit more about those other dimensions I have discovered also through my book, like the other level, not the level of what I present myself around and sometimes my connection with you as essence.

We had this dimension with the colonies, we talked about that...

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: ...and can it be that my focuses in that dimension are used to meeting each other, like for example how I now know my focus of Leslie? (Pause)

ELIAS: And what is the nature of your question concerning the action of these focuses?

ANJULI: I have the feeling that it’s very easy for them. They know that they are focuses of the same essence and they are interacting with each other, and this is kind of easy for them, or more natural probably, in that dimension, more usual than it is here in this time framework and in this dimension for essences and the same focuses of essences, in knowing themselves objectively.

ELIAS: I am understanding. Yes, you are correct. Although, they do not incorporate an awareness of other-dimensional focuses for the most part.

ANJULI: When I feel into that dimension, and also wrote in my book my translation of that, it was almost as if I felt I could have written thousands of books about the various beings present there. It was a feeling of feeling into ... I had difficulties to discern who is me and who not, like knowing the life experiences of many hundreds at the same time.


ANJULI: Do my focuses there experience that?


ANJULI: Because we are dispersed?

ELIAS: And also in relation to the design of that dimension.

ANJULI: Yes, they are more connected there. The colonies, they are more feeling like one entity?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

ANJULI: It feels as if it is not a physical one, or it is less dense, at least.

ELIAS: Less density. And I may also clarify that in this there is not more of an expression of connectedness, it is merely expressed differently.

ANJULI: Yes, well, because we are also here very closely connected, just maybe experience it different. We are also like one body.

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Yes, I understand.

ELIAS: You merely incorporate more of an objective awareness and expression, which generates the illusion of separateness.

ANJULI: And then how do they ... well, we have already said that there is no gender and sexuality, but there are six various types, so when they ... is that word “procreation”? They do that more through energy or kind of...?

ELIAS: This is not actually an expression of procreation, but may be more closely associated with an action of splintering, so to speak.

ANJULI: Yes, I understand. When I told my focus Leslie/Myranda that we have talked about other dimensions, she was very happy and she said she knows she is very happy there. Did she mean this one about the colonies or probably another one we have not yet talked about?

ELIAS: I may express to you that she incorporates somewhat of an awareness of this dimension of which you are speaking and also others.

ANJULI: And then we talked about the other one with the three cities, where you have a focus and I have a focus. That is also a physical one?

ELIAS: Yes. (42-second pause)

ANJULI: Elias?


ANJULI: It’s also a physical one?

ELIAS: Yes, my friend.

ANJULI: What was happening in that pause? You looked into it?

ELIAS: I may express to you that you were not offering yourself the objective awareness of my response in...

ANJULI: Oh, really? (Laughing, and Elias laughs) What did you say? Yes?

ELIAS: Yes. I may express to you, my friend, that at times you do move yourself in your attention into an expression of paying attention to energy and to subjective movements, and in that, you distract yourself at times from the objective interaction. Ha ha!

ANJULI: (Laughs) Yes, I want to have both!

So it’s also physical. Do they kind of procreate by two creating, or not in our way? The new beings are adults or are finished right away, and three or two or four can create them? I don’t know how to express it.

ELIAS: Yes, I am understanding of what you are translating. You are correct. This is the incorporation of the emergence of another essence into that physical reality, differently expressed but similar to the action that you incorporate within this dimension in what you term to be procreation. You are allowing for the emergence of another essence. This is a different action than the action which is expressed in the physical dimension that you recognize incorporating the colonies. They are not engaging another essence.

ANJULI: Oh. The splintering...


ANJULI: ...they are doing that on their own, out of themselves.


ANJULI: In this dimension with the three cities, two or three or what can do that together?


ANJULI: Like as if essences are fragmenting a new essence.


ANJULI: In my book, which talks to me in many levels, Inmi is – I have created a word for that – but he is kind of teaching in what I call “Alterversity,” sort of like a university that is about altering realities and about all the information you are also offering to us. So I understand that first of all I tell myself something about you as non-physical essence and the information I get from you because Runi is studying there, and also could it be that it has something to do with that dimension, that your focus is also doing some teaching kind of thing or is in such a thing that I could translate as Alterversity.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. This is a translation, but as I have stated, in a manner of speaking, yes, it may be translated in this manner.

ANJULI: And we said that your focus there is important for that dimension, and you said that he is reconfiguring energy, which your focus is doing there?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: And my focus kind of participates in that?

ELIAS: Correct.

ANJULI: Do I have a reason why the first other dimensions I connect with more consciously are those two, like the one where you have your focus who is reconfiguring of energy? Is there something that my other focus there and your focus, that the connection with them would give me or tell me something or...?

ELIAS: Concerning this physical dimension? No. You are merely allowing yourself to be playing with manipulation of energy, and allowing yourself a time framework in which you offer yourself information concerning the expansiveness of essence through your allowance to be offering yourself information concerning other-dimensional focuses. But in relation to information pertaining to this particular dimension, no, you are not offering yourself nor are those focuses offering to you any type of expression that may necessarily fit into this physical dimension, other than the recognition of the expansiveness of yourself as essence.

This is what you have chosen as a playful manner in which to offer that information to yourself and to experience the expansiveness of yourself, which offers you the opportunity to be dropping these veils of separation, which is consistent with the movement of this shift in consciousness. This is merely the method which you individually have chosen to be incorporating, for it offers you an avenue of exploration in fun, and you also offer yourself information concerning yourself.

ANJULI: Do I have more focuses in the dimension with the colonies than in the dimension with the three cities?


ANJULI: And in the dimension with the three cities, do I have more there than in this physical dimension?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking. I may express to you, my friend, the reason that I do not offer numberings concerning other physical dimensions is that they are expressed differently and therefore are not translatable, in a manner of speaking, into physical numbers.

ANJULI: Yes, I understand. Oh! Hah, our time! (Elias laughs) It’s always much too short, but it doesn’t matter. I will create all kinds of fun with you. I know that, meanwhile.

ELIAS: Ha ha! Very well, and I shall be compliant! Ha ha ha! And I shall be anticipating our next meeting.

ANJULI: Yes. Elias, it’s always such a great fun to talk with you, and you mean so much to me.

ELIAS: And I express tremendous affection to you also, my friend.

ANJULI: Thank you very much.

ELIAS: In lovingness this afternoon to you, au revoir.

ANJULI: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 12:52 PM.


(1) The analogy of the large dog and the small dog, from session 885, August 18, 2001:

ELIAS: ...I have expressed previously an analogy of the two dogs which are, figuratively, manifest within each of you – one which is the large dog which expresses a very loud bark and appears to be quite threatening. This is the expression of yourselves in automatic response of beliefs and the expression of discounting and distrusting yourselves. This dog is fed quite well and often, and has become quite large and imposing, so to speak.

But you also incorporate a small dog within you each. That small dog is the expression of your acceptance and trust of self and your communication in intuition to yourselves. This dog is not fed as well or as often, and therefore its voice, its bark, is quite soft, and its form is quite small, and it may be overshadowed quite easily and quite often by the large dog.

But as you move in widening your awareness and becoming more familiar with self and begin paying more attention to the small dog and feeding the small dog more often, you begin to recognize that the large dog continues to be present, but ah-ha! You discover that the large dog in actuality incorporates no teeth. (Marcos laughs) It merely appears ominous and threatening, but in actuality it incorporates no bite, and the small dog is allowed to become more of a focal point in your attention.

It does not necessarily grow larger, but you allow yourself to express an affection for this small dog, and in that action, you may hold the small dog upon your lap continuously and be paying attention to this small dog, expressing pleasure in your interaction with it and begin to ignore the loud musings of the large dog, for you recognize that this large dog is merely noisy but needs not appear ominous or threatening any longer, for it incorporates no teeth.

(2) Originally expressed as, “This particular essence in mergence with other essences you have expressed an energy or have been in a manner of speaking a desired quality of that essence choosing to be generating your own expression of essence from that essence.”

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