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Monday, June 09, 2003

<  Session 1371 (Private)  >

ďInfluences of the Belief of ĎI Have No MoneyíĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Rodney (Zacharie).

Elias arrives at 10:42 AM. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.) ELIAS: Good morning! RODNEY: Good morning, Elias. (Laughs)

I feel like almost pins and needles this morning. I donít know what to talk about! (Elias laughs) And I have done some homework. You know, itís interesting to me how much I feel unprepared to talk to you when I do talk to you. Itís kind of like Iím placing myself... I automatically go to is it going to be all right? Am I going to say the right thing, am I going to ask the wrong things? (Elias grins) If thereís any communication Iíve ever had in the world in which I sense itís all right for me to be who I am, itís with you, and I still feel that way with you, which just blows my mind.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Automatic responses.

RODNEY: Yes, and it shows me how much I do that with people who I know are not accepting me. So, itís an interesting juxtaposition.

Iím really fascinated about what you said yesterday about looking at a truth and then seeing how that truth influences other items. It seems to me this is a new way of looking at beliefs in a way thatís more revealing, and it really struck me that this is something that I can work with. (Elias nods)

Thereís two elements, I think, to what I want to talk to you about this morning. The second one is loss, but the first one that came to me is money. It struck me that thereís an absolute truth about money in my perception, and that is I donít have any. I wrote down what I sense are twelve significant influences that come from that truth.

ELIAS: Interesting!

RODNEY: After I finished with those twelve, I wound up with a thirteenth one, which was centered around the ideas of loss or of life and death itself. Iíd like to go over this and ask you to help me with where Iím going here.

ELIAS: Very well.

RODNEY: The first one was, I have to work. Thatís the major first primary influence, because I donít have any money Ė which is, of course, a major belief now that you put it in that light. But it means that I have to work. Thereís just no getting around that.

The second one... Iíll read these off. I wrote them out in great length, but Iíll just abbreviate. The second one is I must live in a small affordable house and drive an old car and stuff like that.

The third one was I have to rely on others to know how to make money. I need someone outside of myself to organize the company or to make the way in the world so that I can work for them, because I canít do that myself.

The fourth one was it restricts me from changing the place where I live, and this is a good thing, quote unquote good, a good situation because it prevents me from having to make choices as to where I want to live. Iíve thought about where I want to live and itís almost impossible for me to make that choice, even if I had the money.

Five, it restricts me from creating intimate relationships with women Ė and this is a good thing, also. (Laughs) I protect myself from the unfamiliar in this way.

The sixth one is by forcing myself to work, I continue to be productive, and this is a good thing to do, you see. These influences are like a trellis or a vine, going in and out of itself.


RODNEY: It influences how I interact with others in the area aspect of being helpful. This is a very big influence. If I had money, I would be asked by everyone to help them out. I would be asked by numerous family members to save them, like in a medical sense. I donít know when it would be right to say yes or no, so itís just a monstrous issue, and not having money means I donít have to concern myself with any of that. So, itís tremendous influence there, in my interaction with others around helpfulness.

It would influence how I feel about myself in I am better than the less fortunate, I am more privileged, I am more powerful, I am smarter, I have greater responsibilities Ė or I am more spiritual because I do not have money. In all, money influences every single consideration along those lines.

Number nine is it influences my impact on other people, as in setting an example and taking advantage. In other words, I sense that people would be paying more attention to me and thatís kind of like a responsibility I wouldnít want, you know? Or the reverse, Iíd be abusing that through the manipulation of money. So, not having any money, I donít have to worry about that!

Ten, not having money influences my ability to distract myself from discovering myself. If I had money Ė Iím common and I donít focus on myself Ė but if I had money, Iíd be so out in the physical world that Iíd lose myself.

Number eleven, not having money eliminates the necessity of my making choices. This is a good thing because it is very difficult for me to make choices, and I would prefer in my laziness to take the easy way.

Twelve Ė Iím getting to the end Ė not having money influences my feeling about life and death. Without money I am closer to death as I am less engaged with life; for abstaining from choices, as above, is disengaging from life. There is that element of this.

And then finally Ė and this really isnít an influence but kind of a question Ė how does the truth of my not having money, underline truth, influence my sense of loss and vice versa? How do my experiences of loss or my relationship with sensing loss influence my belief that I have no money? Itís very vague. I feel vague in this in this question.

Iím not too clear, but I refer back to one of the last times we spoke, and this is an extremely important paragraph. Iíll quote you: ďThis, my friend, is being expressed...Ē Ė and weíre talking about financial loss Ė ďThis, my friend, is being expressed in many more directions than merely financial but in many expressions of investment, in your terms: investment of yourself in many expressions, the investment of your energy, your attention, your time; yourself in relation to other individuals, in relation to your work environment, in relation to yourself. You merely generate physical objective imagery in relation to finances as a reflection of many aspects of your focus.Ē (Session #1009, 2/16/02)

Part of the aspect of what Iím getting at here is underneath all of my attempts, it seems, is can I get to where I do create money? Thatís one area of it. Maybe by studying and looking at these issues, I can free myself to create more security in my life. But I sense that thatís only an aspect, thereís more to it than even that Ė my sense of loss, my sense of appreciation, my sense of love... Iím becoming very emotional here. I get so wrapped up in this. I canít love and I canít live.

ELIAS: (Quietly and gently) One belief may be very, very influencing in many, many, many manners. This is the significance of identifying them and identifying what their influences are. How many of those influences that you recognized and that you recorded to yourself are, within your assessment, beneficial to produce a particular outcome? And many of them are to shield yourself.

If you do not incorporate money, you also do not incorporate what you perceive to be many responsibilities. You do not allow yourself exposure. You guard yourself; you hide. For within your assessment in relation to this belief, if you incorporate money, you also incorporate responsibility. But you incorporate responsibility regardless, for you are responsible for what you are generating and what you are expressing. You are responsible for being a victim of yourself.

This is the point of what we were discussing, allowing yourself to discover those beliefs that you incorporate that you do not designate as beliefs. They are so very absolute they have become your truth.

Now; in recognizing your truths and allowing yourself to explore, you recognize that they are actually beliefs. They are not absolute. This allows you to broaden your view, not in comparison but merely offering yourself information that what you have held as truth to you is not necessarily truth, for is not absolute. For you may view other individuals within your world that are expressing different beliefs in association with money.

RODNEY: Yeah, well, this is blowing my mind, because when I thought of ďI donít have moneyĒ as a truth, thereís a part of me that still doesnít see that thatís not a truth. I mean, I wrote these things all down because I can see thatís what the influence is.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: But I still donít see, even though weíve said it and youíve said it and I conceptually understand it, how much do I really see that as not being absolute. Thereís not very much of me that sees that as not being absolute. Iím just kind of hanging onto the idea at the moment.

ELIAS: I am aware. It is very unfamiliar.

RODNEY: You just said something that Iíd like to hear you repeat, and that is on responsibility. I have the responsibility of being a victim of myself, is that what you said?

ELIAS: You are responsible for being a victim of yourself.

RODNEY: Oh my god! I never... Thereís something about that thatís a brand new idea to me.

ELIAS: You are creating it. No outside influence is creating that expression within you. You are creating that in association with your belief. In association with your belief concerning money and whether you have money or do not have money, you have influenced your perception and your ability to generate money. You have influenced it in a manner in which you restrict your abilities, and therefore you become a victim of yourself.

RODNEY: I see that now! Yes, these are all primarily restrictions on my abilities.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Yes, yes, I understand that.

ELIAS: For as you have stated, this influences every aspect of your focus, this one belief Ė how you interact with other individuals, your time, you must be incorporating employment. As you have stated, it must be directed and orchestrated by other individuals and you must work for them. And you must be incorporating work, for this is what is rewarded. These are all aspects of this belief; they are all influences.

And in that action, your time incorporated outside of work is limited. Therefore, you are restricted in how much time you incorporate with yourself and how much time you incorporate with other individuals in interaction with them.

It also influences your perception of your attractiveness to other individuals. For if you incorporate money, you view yourself to be more attractive to other individuals, and if you do not, you are less attractive.

RODNEY: Thatís also all my stuff. Thatís all my truths.

ELIAS: (Quietly) Yes, and it is all the influences of one belief.

RODNEY: Is my sensing of how this is connected to loss... Iím just beginning to see this phenomenal loss in all of these influences.

ELIAS: Correct, for there is tremendous constriction, tremendous automatic responses which limit you to one choice Ė the automatic choice.

RODNEY: Yet I perpetuate that loss. But when I look to see what it is in my life where I have experienced profound loss, as in loss of my family Ė big example Ė I donít know if I really have a sense of that loss. I kind of hide from it.

Now, I have experienced profound levels of grief around my oldest daughter, and I really, really did get in touch with that on many occasions. I sense that maybe I have not allowed myself to open to my sense of grief in many other areas. Thatís kind of like the only place that Iíve done that. How does this truth that I have no money influence my ability to open up to a real sense of loss in those areas where I donít even see it?

ELIAS: For some of the influences of this belief are to be protective of yourself and to not expose yourself and to be guarded.

Now; if you are generating those expressions, how affecting are those expressions in relation to what you allow yourself in association with other individuals?

RODNEY: You mean if Iím guarding?

ELIAS: If you are guarded and if you are shielding yourself in protection of yourself, you are protecting yourself from viewing yourself, your own beliefs and their influence, for this is frightening for perhaps it shall be bad. Therefore, in protecting yourself from viewing your own beliefs, you also protect yourself from all other expressions of openness.

RODNEY: And therefore protect myself from the loss.

ELIAS: Yes. You do not receive that energy. You shield that. It may be projected to you, but you do not receive it. You engage the shield.

RODNEY: Would you say that again, I just blocked that. (Elias laughs) What did you just say?

ELIAS: That energy has been projected to you previously, one that would be received and experienced as loss, in your terms, but you do not receive it. It may be projected to you, but you do not receive it. You shield. Therefore, you do not experience that expression of loss for the most part. For in allowing yourself that openness and to drop that shield, and not be expressing that exposure and not be expressing that protection, you would be open to yourself.

RODNEY: To the hurt.

ELIAS: And to all of your influences.

RODNEY: Iím that invulnerable?

ELIAS: Or so you think. (Both laugh) But at times you do express an openness.

Now; you initially engaged this conversation expressing to myself that you are unclear as to what you would be engaging conversation with myself concerning this day, and expressing some anxiety.

RODNEY: Well, I wrote all of this down, but then thereís a part of me that says, ďThis is all wrong. This is not good enough. Elias is going to laugh (emotionally), going to laugh at you.Ē

ELIAS: And would I ever?

RODNEY: No, but why do I think that?

ELIAS: Let me express to you my friend, Zacharie, I may acknowledge you in the time frameworks that you express interaction with myself, you generate more of an openness than you have with any individual.

RODNEY: I know, I know! (Emotionally) Jeez, so why am I like this?

ELIAS: (Gently) For you have tapped a strong belief. You have tapped an identity of a belief that is so very influencing of you, and threatens such exposure that even with myself you generated an apprehension. But you moved into it, regardless.

RODNEY: I did, didnít I?

ELIAS: Yes. This taps the very fabric of your worth and your value.

RODNEY: I so much want to see or experience whatís beyond this. Whatís on the other side of duplicity or maybe how can I experience simply without so much duplicitousness? Whatís on the other side of good?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, remember, duplicity is a belief system also. It is not being eliminated. What IS being expressed, Zacharie...

RODNEY: No, but it hides something.

ELIAS: What is being expressed, what is being generated in movement in association with duplicity is the discontinuation of struggle with it, the discontinuation of fighting with it, the allowance of knowing your truth, knowing your preferred beliefs, and knowing that it is acceptable to express that they are good within yourself but also knowing that they are not absolutes. They may be good with you and they may not be good with another individual. That is the removal of the judgment.

Not that you shall never express any judgment of good or bad or right or wrong, for you are within this physical reality. I may express that to you [but] I am not participating in your physical reality. Within consciousness that is known as a belief. It is not an absolute; therefore, there is no actual right or wrong or good or bad. But within your reality, it is quite real.

Therefore, what you are moving into within this shift in association with duplicity is to recognize that it is not absolute. You may express your opinions and your preferences and identify certain expressions as bad and some as good.

RODNEY: But knowing that they are not absolutes.

ELIAS: Know that they are not absolutes...

RODNEY: Just my opinion.

ELIAS: As you encounter difference with other individuals, there is no judgment. That is the expression of ďit matters not.Ē Not that nothing matters, but that the DIFFERENCE matters not, for your truth is your truth and another individualís truth is their truth. And neither of them are right, and neither of them are wrong. They merely are. They are your truth to you or another individualís truth to them. There is no necessity to change them or to change another individualís expressions.

RODNEY: Or to correct them or to enlighten them.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Or to teach them.

ELIAS: THAT is the acceptance. Not that you are eliminating duplicity, but that you know it is not an absolute.

Your sun does not rise every day Ė it is dependent upon where your location is. In some locations, your sun does not set for extensive time periods or it does not rise for extensive time periods. It is a matter of position, perspective and perception. It is not an absolute.

You incorporate one position, and within your focus, you have generated experiences in a particular manner and that has become your truth and your absolute Ė this is the manner in which reality is incorporated. Not necessarily.

What is significant is if you are uncomfortable with your truth, or if your truth discounts you, or if your truth presents conflict and you do not wish to be expressing that Ė for some individuals do wish to be incorporating those expressions...

RODNEY: The conflict and so on. I understand.

ELIAS: Yes! But if your truth is influencing your experiences in a manner that is discounting and conflicting and uncomfortable, and you do not prefer that and you do not wish to be generating that, you also incorporate the ability to choose differently. For you incorporate every belief within every belief system, as I have stated many, many times. You merely express a few within each belief system. Therefore, there is a plethora of beliefs that are available to you to be expressed that you are not expressing.

As an analogy, how many words are incorporated in your dictionary of your language?

RODNEY: Many, many.

ELIAS: How many do you use?

RODNEY: Oh, a small fraction.

ELIAS: Correct. In similar manner, all of those words are available to you. You may choose from hundreds of thousands of words to be generating your communication outwardly.

RODNEY: And I do not.

ELIAS: But they are available.

RODNEY: Yes, they are.

ELIAS: In similar manner, you incorporate countless, literally numberless beliefs that you do not express. They are latent but they are available, just as your words are available.

RODNEY: I sense that my way to offer myself more choice here is not to go out into the world and make a major effort to make money so that these things are no longer true. Thatís a camouflage, thatís a...

ELIAS: That is merely another reinforcement of that belief.

RODNEY: My way would be to really focus on myself in every moment and see each one of these beliefs, to get a really, really vivid, vivid feeling and sense of them...

ELIAS: And to recognize a moment in which you are expressing one of these influences. In recognizing it and identifying it...

RODNEY: And then saying, ďOkay, thatís that! Thatís a belief.Ē

ELIAS: ďI recognize this is an influence of this belief and this is an automatic response. But I am not bound to that automatic response; it is not the ONLY response that may be generated.Ē

RODNEY: Okay, and as far as the major truth that Iíve put on the top of the page which is ďI have no money,Ē to simply identify that, that thatís not an absolute truth.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: Itís simply a belief, and I have the ability to choose a different belief. I have the ability to choose that I have more money than I know what to do with.

ELIAS: Correct.

Now; also recognize the identification of the belief that you have no money, which in itself is untrue.

RODNEY: Say that again, please!

ELIAS: You express the belief that you have no money.

RODNEY: Correct.

ELIAS: Listen to the absoluteness of that Ė you have NO money.

RODNEY: Right. Well, Iíve got a little bit.

ELIAS: Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah! (Rodney laughs) Listen to what you have expressed as the belief that you have no money.

RODNEY: Which is, of course, not true. (Laughing)

ELIAS: Correct. In itself it is not true.

RODNEY: Correct. I threw a little money away this weekend. I didnít throw it away; I enjoyed using it. (Laughs)

ELIAS: In this, the actual association is that you do not incorporate ENOUGH money...

RODNEY: Thatís correct.

ELIAS: ...which motivates the striving. But the truth, the belief Ė you are correct Ė that IS your truth, that you have NO money.

RODNEY: Well, itís the truth that I have no money. Itís also the truth that I donít have enough money.

ELIAS: I am understanding, but this is the point of how black and white these beliefs...

RODNEY: Become.

ELIAS: Yes, and how absolute. There is no gray. It is not actually that you do not incorporate enough money, for the black and white of the belief is you either have money or you do not. You either incorporate enough money to be generating all that you want or you do not, and therefore you have no money, which eliminates all of the in-between and sets you in a perception of continuous striving to attain what you perceive you do not have.

Now; in merely identifying the belief specifically and viewing the literalness of it, viewing the absoluteness of it...

RODNEY: The ďno.Ē

ELIAS: Correct. Even in that identification, you alter some of your perception, for you recognize that this is not true. You do incorporate some money, perhaps not what you view to be enough, but even the recognition of ďsomeĒ interrupts the absolute association with ďno,Ē which allows you a small avenue to move within to begin to appreciate you, what you do, what you have now, which interrupts the striving slightly, but it does interrupt to an extent.

RODNEY: Momentarily, and itís infrequent, I do see that Iím benefited by it a great deal. In those moments, I sense how little I appreciate what I do have, which is part of what you just said.

ELIAS: Yes, and the more that you appreciate...

RODNEY: What I do have.

ELIAS: Correct, the more you relax and the more you interrupt reinforcing that belief of loss or lack, and the more easily you generate.

RODNEY: That I can create what I do want or what I prefer.

ELIAS: Yes, and you create more.

RODNEY: Iíve noticed in my last conversation, well, it pertains to this quote that I took. While Iím investing in stocks, it seems to me Ė and I want to ask you to verify or modify this Ė on occasion, and it is becoming more frequent, I purchase a stock and I actually sense that it doesnít make any difference whether the value of that stock goes up or down.

If it goes down, I watch it. If it goes down, I want to sell it right away and the loss will be small. And if it goes up, itís not a question of good or bad. Iíve also gotten away from the greediness of it a little bit and so Iíll take a small profit, and thatís the way you play this game. That attitude seems to have a profound influence on the choices that I am making as to what to buy and when to sell. I just wanted you to verify that. (Elias nods)

Also, I went through a volcano of emotion last weekend, of course around my job. I felt that I could not produce what I was expected to produce, and I had four days to produce it in. I actually went to a good astrologer who I trust, and we talked about it. She was extremely helpful. I think sheís been reading your material on the sly. (Both laugh) But I know she hasnít.

The bottom line of that was I was ready to quit if I didnít get my way, because I saw at the end of the week the work was not going to be done; the company would be embarrassed, my superior, CEO, was going to be embarrassed. I had a great deal of difficulty focusing on myself in this, and I made a huge effort to do that. I was able to get up on Monday morning and say to him, ďFor your benefit and for the companyís benefit and for my benefit, I need to tell you you have to take this job and give it to someone else.Ē And I named that person, because I know that he can do it in four days. Well, I donít know if Iíve ever seen my CEO as supportive and concerned about me as he was then. It was like he showed me parts of himself that Iíve never seen, which was really a reflection...


RODNEY: ...of my... (Laughs) Getting emotional again.

ELIAS: You reflect to yourself what you project out. If you are projecting outward that you may be generating all of these tasks and you are pressuring yourself to be creating certain movements and not listening to yourself and generating expectations of yourself, other individuals do also, for they are reflecting what you are expressing within yourself of your own expectations.

But if you are genuinely altering your energy and projecting outwardly a genuineness of yourself, listening to your communications, paying attention to yourself, you generate that reflection in supportiveness outwardly also.

RODNEY: I had four people working for me for four days. I had sixteen man-days almost just to get this job done, and I was locked into ďI have to do this myself.Ē When I saw that I had to say help, I cannot do this myself in four days, that came out of a genuineness of focusing on myself.

ELIAS: Yes, and you did not generate an expression of disappointment or failure or weakness. What you generated in listening to yourself and paying attention was supportiveness.

RODNEY: Enormous, enormous. Not only from him, but from all the other people. What I fear is that they want to get rid of me because Iím a slow clumsy old man.

ELIAS: Even with the evidence...?

RODNEY: See, the evidence is like... (Emotionally) God! How dark is the corner I stick my head in?

ELIAS: Perhaps, my friend, with that evidence you may allow yourself to begin to appreciate your value.

RODNEY: Oh, Christ! I am making a little progress, am I not?

ELIAS: You are making tremendous progress, in your terms. For I may express to you, although you continue to discount yourself, you do project more and more of an energy outwardly, paying attention to you and allowing somewhat of an openness, for other individuals view you more similarly to how I view you.

RODNEY: (Laughs) Thank you, Elias. That is encouraging.

We only have a couple of minutes left and Iím curious. I donít know if Iíll get the time or make the time to do it, so Iím going to ask you if you would be a little helpful here. I have a son, Benjamin. Could you tell me what his family and alignment are, or do you want me to study the material and figure it out myself? Iím okay with either of those.

ELIAS: (Chuckles) Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Gramada.

RODNEY: Gramada. Now thatís a new one Iím going to have to read up on. Whatís his essence name? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Max.

RODNEY: Max! (Laughs) He is indeed a ďMax.Ē (Elias laughs) I trust that Iíve had other focuses with him.


RODNEY: I suspect many.


RODNEY: Okay. Iíll work on that myself. (Elias chuckles)

I had a dream last week after this or during part of this turmoil, and what I saw to be a little encouragement of flying, flying, flying, flying, getting myself out of traps and flying more, dipping my head into the water and I was flying and flying on.

My son just got a job in which he has to be up in the air, like 25 feet, a lot. Though he was very bold when he was younger, he doesnít relish the idea, of hanging onto ceilings. He took the job anyway because they appeared to be safety-oriented. He calls me up Saturday morning Ė he spent a week in Florida Ė and he said, ďYouíll never guess what I did.Ē And I said, ďWhat?Ē And he says, ďI did paragliding at 1200 feet.Ē (They laugh) I laughed and I laughed and I laughed, because I said, ďWell, I guess 25 feet isnít going to seem so scary.Ē

What interested me was the juxtaposition of my dreaming it and his creating that. Now, I sense that the dream was not all about him doing that.

ELIAS: Correct.

RODNEY: It probably had a lot to do with my freeing myself...


RODNEY: ...from some of these entrapments that Iíve created. But also, it just occurred to me, he was similarly freeing himself from some fears by entering into that.


RODNEY: So the dream incorporated the energy, not only my energy but his energy, and there was an association between what he was doing and parts of the dream.

ELIAS: Yes, in supportiveness to each other in energy.

RODNEY: Yes. One other quick... Iíve got two minutes. (Both laugh) Iíd talk to you all day. I didnít know what I wanted to start with.

I had a dream recently of Ė curious Ė itís only part of the dream, but thereís like a lobby totally within a building, no windows. This had trees as symbols of essence, and rivers in which I could not get out of the current the waves were so strong, and the walls were cliffs. All of that, but in the center of this dream is this room, and when we get out we canít get back in again. But what was fascinating about this room Ė it was kind of square-ish, large Ė I was so filled with energy that I would run on the floor and kind of run up the ceilings and bounce off of things. The color was many, many hues of gold and golden brown, more brown than anything. My ex-wife was there. What did that room and those colors symbolize, and my wife being there?

ELIAS: And your impression?

RODNEY: My impression is it was very earthy or connected with earth. My wife being there symbolizes relationship. ELIAS: And past, and movement into what you would term, in your terms, to being the room of your soul, you.

RODNEY: Then what would... How do... I donít get the association between past and soul.

ELIAS: For this is the present.

RODNEY: But the room doesnít symbolize my soul in the present?

ELIAS: Yes, in the present Ė movement into that and leaving the past, so to speak, which offers you the freedom.

RODNEY: Being in the moment, the moment of my soul.


RODNEY: Well, this river, these huge waves, and I was being carried along with the strong cliffs. Iím caught up in this...

ELIAS: Outside expressions, outside movements, which prevent you from movement into you. That is associated with your attention.

RODNEY: But I was trapped in those waters, I couldnít... I wound up being dumped into a tree and falling down to the ground. I donít know how that happened.

ELIAS: This illustrates the strength of the current of the influences, just as you have illustrated in your presentment in this conversation.

RODNEY: If she represented the past, sheís the one that closed the door that would not allow me to get back into the room of my soul. Itís the past.


RODNEY: What did that color symbolize? I chose that color, didnít I?

ELIAS: Yes. That is actually a color that you chose in association with the gloriousness of that position. What do you view to be the glory of your earth, from which all springs?

RODNEY: Gold, the color of dark woods.

ELIAS: Correct. This is your association with the spark of life Ė the earth itself, from which all springs.

RODNEY: It means a great deal to me.

ELIAS: Correct, therefore you symbolize that association with yourself Ė your soul, so to speak, from which all springs.

RODNEY: Iíd give you a big hug, Elias, but it would freak Mary out something awful! (Elias laughs loudly)

ELIAS: My dear friend, Zacharie! Ha ha ha! We shall continue in our friendship and our playfulness, and I shall be quite encouraging of you in that playfulness, Zacharie!

RODNEY: Iím getting pretty good at it. (Elias laughs) They had a sign on the parade, ďFertilize the mind.Ē I said, ďI donít have to fertilize mine; itís about as dirty as it can get.Ē (Elias laughs loudly again) I love that. Thank you.

ELIAS: As always, in anticipation of our next meeting and in tremendous love, Zacharie...

RODNEY: Thank you.

ELIAS: you in tremendous affection, au revoir.

Elias departs at 11:46 AM.

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