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Tuesday, September 12, 2000

<  Session 691 (Private/Phone)  >

ďPerfectionism and ControlĒ

ďSubstances and AddictionĒ

ďThe Tool of PerceptionĒ

Participants: Mary (Michael), Dawn (Sarah), and Michael (Delal).

Elias arrives at 3:31 p.m. (Arrival time is 17 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon, once again! (Chuckling)

DAWN: Hello!

MICHAEL: We just had a very interesting 24 hours!

ELIAS: Ah, and you are practicing!

MICHAEL: Yes! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) To start with, I have some dream imagery, if you donít mind.

ELIAS: Very well.

MICHAEL: Last night, or actually this morning, I had a dream that I think was about the past life in the 1920s that I spoke of yesterday, and I think I have two names for you Ė Elizabeth and Jack. (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MICHAEL: And Jack worked in a cement or textile factory? (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct Ė concrete.

MICHAEL: And one of the reasons Iíve had fears of choking in this lifetime is because Jack died of emphysema or some kind of lung disease, and I was associating with that recognition. (Pause)

ELIAS: In association with the fear, yes, you are correct.

MICHAEL: Itís nice to be able to resolve that finally! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) I got some family names too, but Iím actually not interested in finding out that information. One other thing is, outside of the dream, yesterday I found the reason I got my sword, I believe. Iím about to do battle legally with someone, and that was kind of an interesting realization of self, I think.

ELIAS: And allowing yourself to be identifying in an object, in symbolization, that which you are moving into concerning your own expression, and moving through expressions of fear.

MICHAEL: I feel like Iím making great progress! Iím gonna talk about time next, but Iíll let Dawn go first.

ELIAS: Very well.

DAWN: I also had interesting dreams last night which relate to one of the questions I was planning to ask today. We spoke at our first meeting about the difficult relationship Iíve had with my mother, and Michael feels that a lot of the issues I have relating to my conflict with her is that I should talk to her, to make sure she knows I have resolved these things. Last night I had a dream where I was notified that she had died. I was going to school and I didnít know anything, like where the class was, where I was supposed to be, and I just kept wandering around. Did something significant happen in the process of that dream? Is it important that I resolve this with my mother, or could I do this on my own without having a discussion with her?

ELIAS: First of all, I shall inquire of you, what is your impression in relation to your dream imagery?

DAWN: It was kind of alluding to ... well, the fact that she was gone, and I was unsure of where to go, and that she was kind of a compass or something, to point me in a direction.

ELIAS: Continue. What is your assessment of that imagery and your impression of that imagery?

DAWN: Maybe ... and Iíve had the conscious thought before that I needed to struggle to get through school, something to rail against, and that was one of the big things that was actually a benefit to me. That seems to be aligned with what the dream imagery was.

ELIAS: In motivation. Now continue farther in your interpretation of this dream imagery, beyond the identification of the....

DAWN: The identification of what?

ELIAS: ...the motivational factor in spurring you. As you offer yourself some expression to be railing against, what also do you identify in this dream imagery?

DAWN: There were things in this dream ... I kept trying to go somewhere, and there was a time element also, where I thought I had to be at a class, but didnít know when or what time or what schedule, and the buildings seemed like my school, but they werenít quite, and I was running around, and at one point I told somebody, ďIím supposed to be there at a particular time and it must be ten minutes past that time,Ē and then I looked down and I wasnít as late as I thought Ė the idea of being lost, but nothing drastic happened because I was lost.

ELIAS: Quite.

Now; in this, allow yourself to view the imagery that you have presented to yourself, for partially you have offered yourself an aspect of interpretation in this dream imagery.

But let me express to you also that in this, you have allowed yourself to identify a particular expression that is created within yourself in association with this individual that you identify as your mother. This association is direction.

Within you, you view that you rail against this individual, and that this creates a motivational factor or expression within yourself, for you view that you need not be acquiring direction from this individual, but shall create your own direction.

Now; in actuality, you allow yourself a direction in opposition to this individual, which essentially is assuming a direction from this individual. Are you understanding? (No audible response)

You are creating, or have been creating previously, the reverse of what you identify objectively. The individual creates certain expressions, in which you create responses of movement in opposition to that individual. But in actuality, you are essentially holding an expectation that this particular individual shall provide you with a direction, and you ARE allowing this individual to be guiding of you, in a manner of speaking, and directing of you.

In actuality, as you are aware and I am aware also, you are directing of yourself. But you are motivating that direction through this interaction, and therefore, in a manner of speaking, attributing the movement of your direction to the other individual, not to yourself, for you are merely responding.

In this, you have created a dream imagery which expresses that this individual is no longer participating within physical focus, which creates the situation that you need be directing of yourself without the interaction and without the guiding force, so to speak. There is no expression of dependency any longer, and this also is imaged in the creation of a temporary but not overwhelming expression of confusion, or what we may express as floundering, so to speak. (Chuckling)

But you also provide yourself with enough familiarity to be maneuvering, and not to be what you may term as immobilized by the alteration in your direction. There is merely a slight expression of confusion as you move into the expression of directing yourself through your choices, independent of the interaction of other individuals.

Now; moving to your other question Ė as to shall it be beneficial to you to be, in your terms, confronting this situation and discussing with this individual your perception and your direction, your choices Ė I may express to you, you may engage this action, and it may or may not be beneficial or purposeful to you. This is dependent upon your motivation and your perception.

Now; in this, you may be engaging conversation and discussion with this individual and offering information of yourself and your perception to this individual, and if your motivation be that you are engaging this action to be affecting of her perception and to be altering her interaction with you, then I shall say to you that this shall not be beneficial and it shall not be accomplishing of what you seek. But you may be engaging discussion with this individual and offering information concerning yourself to this individual, and if you are engaging this action as you choose to be outwardly verbally expressing of your direction FOR YOU, and creating this type of communication recognizing that the actual verbalization of thoughts creates an alteration in the energy of those thoughts, and therefore offering yourself an expression of clarity in the direction that YOU are choosing, this may be beneficial and purposeful to you.

What I am expressing to you is, you may not alter another individualís expression, and this is not the point regardless, for you do not experience conflict ďbecause ofĒ another individual and their choices or their behavior or their expressions. You experience conflict in relation to your beliefs and your limitations that you place upon yourself, and your own expression of a lack of trust or a lack of acceptance of self.

There is no expression that another individual may project to you that creates reactions, responses, or movements within you. No other individual may be creating of that action, just as you may not be creating of that action in relation to another individual. You do not create another individualís reality, and they do not create yours. Therefore, what is created in your reality is created in its entirety. Every moment, every expression, every movement, every emotion, every thought, every sense Ė every element of your reality is created by you, not by another individual or a circumstance or a situation.

In this, engaging the other individual may be beneficial to you if you are seeking clarity within you and if you are seeking to be recognizing and noticing and clarifying your own perception and the beliefs that are influencing of that perception, recognizing your own creations of triggers and why you have created these triggers Ė what are the beliefs that are motivating that movement of energy which is affecting of your perception Ė and in this, offering yourself more of an awareness of your avenues of choice. This IS beneficial.

But it is not beneficial to you in what you seek to merely engage conversation with this individual, expressing to this individual, ďThis is what I feel. This is what I think. This is my perception.Ē I may express to you, within this present now, quite definitely, it matters not. You may express your feeling, your thought, your perception, and it matters not, for it is not the other individualís feeling or thought or perception, and it is not their responsibility to alter any of those aspects of you.

Whereas, you may engage this action as a tool to allow yourself a clarity in viewing you, recognizing that as you engage the other individual, you also are allowing yourself the opportunity to BE engaging your triggers, for you are engaging familiar interaction. You have, in a manner of speaking, created an establishment of a particular type of expression that is exchanged between yourself and this individual, and in that establishment, there is a familiarity. There is also expectations that are created by each of you, which you each respond to.

Therefore, in placing yourself once again within the familiar situation and interaction, but allowing yourself to be viewing that interaction differently, and turning your perception to be holding your attention upon you and not being distracted within your attention by the other individual and turning your attention to them, you may offer yourself new discoveries of freedoms within yourself, that you may not be affecting of yourself in the interactions with this individual in the manner that you have been previously. You also may offer yourself a new expression of permission to be directing and steering of your own ship. Are you understanding?

DAWN: Yes. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome. Let me also express to you briefly, trust the voice within you. Listen to yourself and your intuition, for it may be expressed to you by other individuals that it may be beneficial to be engaging a confrontation with another individual and that this shall lead to a resolve between you, but this is a dictate of mass belief systems, and this is not quite producing of what is hoped for in outcome, generally speaking. (Chuckling)

MICHAEL: I would never do anything like that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

MICHAEL: (Laughing) Okay. Iíve been practicing, (Elias chuckles) and yesterday, many things showed me my belief structures about time, and I realized Iím a lot more flexible than I thought I was.


MICHAEL: I didnít have any trouble in traffic, which is an unusual occurrence. We talked about a kid in another class, a much younger boy who is taking the same classes as I am, and passing the tests a lot faster than me, and I realized that in his perception and in my perception, the only things that are different in this case is time, because the tests are the same, and it is my belief that in order to improve, the hardest thing is to take my time and not necessarily do so well at it the first time, to make it look worthwhile.

ELIAS: Ah, diligence!

DAWN: Learning beliefs!


ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! And attention to detail! (Chuckling)

MICHAEL: Lots of things. I realized that if I donít hold on so tightly to time, I donít have to worry about it so much, and itís just the first day!

ELIAS: And are you not offering yourself tremendous expressions of freedom in this newly discovered aspect of perception?

MICHAEL: Yes, my energy was great yesterday! I went to bed smiling!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

MICHAEL: Along the same lines, I had an intuition about meditation. Iíve had a lot of trouble in the last couple years with meditation, trying to find the inner quietness or whatever, and I realized that the only thing I really need to quiet down is my brain talking to my body, and actually, what Iím trying to accomplish is an acceleration. (Elias chuckles) So now Iím trying to move up to another level, or to a different intensity.

ELIAS: I am quite understanding of what you are expressing, and I shall be quite acknowledging of you! (Laughing) And you may be offering this type of information and expression to many other individuals that view themselves to be experiencing a very similar type of expression! Ha ha ha!

MICHAEL: (Laughing) Your turn, Dawn.

DAWN: I have a question. I know I have a strong belief about professionalism and needing to do my job perfectly, and associated with that is, I have a great fear if I donít know everything or if Iíve made a mistake. Is there something else tangled up with the belief around perfection that might be helpful to me?

ELIAS: Examine your association with the aspect of control; the experience associated with control and a lack of control.

In this, as you are creating what you view to be sufficient in an expression of perfectionism, you are exhibiting in your perception the expression of control, and in the moments that you view yourself in your assessment to be falling short of that perfection, you are NOT exhibiting control, and this is the association with ďout of control,Ē which creates an expression of fear.

DAWN: That is exactly it. When there is something that I made a mistake on that I thought I should have known or seen or looked out for, thatís when I get afraid that the one silly little mistake will cost me the client or my reputation.

ELIAS: Quite.

MICHAEL: Iíll point out, this is her perception.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! For this is your responsibility!

MICHAEL: Thatís right!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

MICHAEL: Iím very good at it. In fact, I might be perfect at it!

ELIAS: HA HA! (Chuckling)

Now; I shall express to you also that this expression and this association with control, and your feeling of wanting to be within control, is also a direct expression in reflection to a lack of acceptance within self and a lack of trust of your ability.

It is a direct questioning of your ability, for in the expressions that you do not experience this type of movement in which you need be creating perfectly and be expressing control, and not experiencing the fear of a lack of control, in those expressions that you do not concern yourself with this type of movement, you are expressing the actual perfection in the trust of your ability.

You may think to yourself, in your physical terms, of those activities that you may create in mundane expression within your daily movement that require no thought and engage little or no emotional expression, and you engage no questioning concerning the action, in actions that you may physically deem to be quite simple or quite small, and those are the expressions that you may allow yourself to view you create perfectly, and you do not question yourself, for you accept and you trust your ability.

These expressions may offer you an example as to how you are not trusting your abilities and you are questioning your abilities, and this is exhibited in the behavior of control and what you term to be perfectionism.

DAWN: Okay.

MICHAEL: I have a question that actually started with a question my brother had, but I think I can incorporate it here. He had a pretty significant dream a few years ago, which woke him up and flipped him over in the bed and paralyzed him briefly, about addiction and things that are habitual that we seem to have no control over, or seem to be beyond our control. His perception is that it has something to do with something karmic, that heís atoning for something in a different lifetime and so on and so forth, but to me it seems more ... I donít know, a conflict of belief systems, and I was wondering if you could comment generally on the nature of addiction.

ELIAS: First of all, I shall express to you that this concept, this idea of addiction, so to speak, is an expression which is associated with your beliefs, which influence your perception. For in actuality, I may quite definitely express to you that there is no substance, no element within your reality, that holds this type of expression innately within itself.

The substances which are engaged or may be engaged within your reality, be they what you identify as natural or synthetic Ė it matters not Ė innately within themselves are neutral, and possess no qualities that are harmful or that may be affecting of you in what you term to be a negative OR positive manner without the influence of your beliefs.

MICHAEL: So our beliefs are what make the difference.

ELIAS: Quite, and I may express to you that the association with mass belief systems is quite strong and quite influencing, and therefore, you may experience much challenge in creating experiences in association with substances that deviate from what is officially accepted in association with that particular substance.

Each substance that you identify within your reality may create unique effects, in a manner of speaking. I may express to you that the effects of each substance are created by each of you in association with your belief concerning that substance. In actuality, were you to allow yourselves to turn your perception and allow yourselves the acceptance of the beliefs, you may engage ANY type of substance, and you may choose what type of response or affectingness shall be created in association with that substance objectively.

Presently you are creating objective responses, but you are creating automatic responses in association with the belief systems, which eliminates many, many, many of your choices, and figuratively speaking, locks you into specific types of responses in association with each substance.

Now; in this, you also create belief systems associated with different substances as to whether they be good or bad or harmful or helpful. You may express that certain types of chemicals are harmful and what you identify as destructive. You may also assess that other chemicals may be quite beneficial.

Let me express to you, as I have stated, it matters not that the element be identified as natural or synthetic, for every aspect of reality within your dimension is YOU.

Now; express to me, how may you be destructive to you by incorporating you into you? (Chuckling)

MICHAEL: I see very clearly what the beliefs are! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) One is that what a person is doing or what Iím doing thatís addictive is good, and the other one is that it appears bad to other people.

ELIAS: Now; I may express to you that individuals do create this type of movement Ė which is quite real Ė of which you define as being addictive behavior, and individuals within your physical dimension may not merely create behavior in association with the consumption of any type of substance, but they also at times may create actual affectingnesses within their physical body consciousness, even to the point of what you view as death. But what shall it matter? This is the individualís choice.

What matters is the expression of conflict. What matters is the individualís expression of conflict; not your expression of conflict with the other individual, but the individualís conflict within themself. And if you are experiencing conflict with another individual that is creating of these types of choices, what matters is your conflict and addressing to that expression, not the choice of the other individual.

MICHAEL: So weíre talking about perception.

ELIAS: Yes, (chuckling) for this is the entirety of your reality! And as we continue movement in discussion in this information, we shall be discussing less and less separation, and more and more of the concepts which you are moving into inserting in your objective reality through this shift in consciousness, as to you BEING all that is within your reality.

You are not merely you. You are the dwelling that you allow yourself as your home. You are the substances that you consume. You are the ground that you walk upon. You are the creatures that you interact with. You are the other individuals that you engage relationship with. You are the individuals that you view as acquaintances. You are your world! (Chuckling) For I have stated to you previously, in actuality, there is no separation. What is the expression of separation is perception.

MICHAEL: So the completion of the shift will be total self-awareness of self, and no separation between ourselves.

ELIAS: Let me clarify.

In the completed insertion of this shift into your objective reality, you shall continue to be creating some expressions in APPEARANCE of separation, in that you shall continue to be creating physical forms, you shall continue to be creating physical expressions, and you shall not become translucent! (Chuckling)

But you shall hold the awareness within your objective perception that this is a choice, and you are quite intentionally choosing objectively each expression, each movement that you engage within this physical dimension, and not limiting your choices through the dictation of your beliefs.

As you create automatic responses presently in this present now, you create those actions in association with the limitations of your beliefs. Whereas in the movement of this shift in consciousness and the insertion of it objectively in your reality, the acceptance of your beliefs eliminates the limitations.

Therefore, you may choose to be creating any singular action, but you are not creating that as a dictate of your beliefs. Rather, you are creating that action as a choice within your exploration objectively in this physical dimension.

This is not to say that you are not creating all of your actions as a choice presently, but you are not paying attention.

MICHAEL: I think I understand. Also, this is the reason weíre talking about time as well, because this shift, although it hasnít ... I think, from what I understand, thereís sort of a deadline of 2075 or something like that. But really, the actual insertion and completion is up to the individual who is doing the inserting.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MICHAEL: But it can happen sooner or later, depending on perception.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MICHAEL: Cool! I like that! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) But there again is another belief system.

ELIAS: Let me also express to you, this is a powerful element of your reality, this expression of time. You hinge much of your choices and much of your movement and much of your associations in relation to this creation of time, and in allowing yourself to view that the movement of time is an exhibition of your perception, you allow yourself to become more familiar with your perception.

Perception objectively is an elusive expression, one that is not easily defined. I may express to you that it is an instrument, that it is, in a manner of speaking, a mechanism of you, but it is not a mechanism or an instrument that you may view in solid form, and therefore it becomes abstract and elusive, and you experience difficulty in defining and identifying what perception is.

In this, as you allow yourselves to view the affectingness of your perceptions, as you allow yourselves to view the creations of your perceptions, you also allow yourselves to not concern yourselves as much with the definition of this mechanism, but rather allow yourselves to begin an understanding and a recognition of the movement of it and how to be manipulating of it.

It is a tool, in like manner to a tool of a physical hammer that you may engage in physical activity. You incorporate a hammer to facilitate an action of building. You incorporate perception as an instrument, a tool that builds your reality.

MICHAEL: I can see that as we speed up our perception of time or understand the nature of time, that the so-called lag time between idea and physical construction will be a little more apparent.

ELIAS: And I may express to you, this is already occurring.

MICHAEL: Yes, Iím starting to see that.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) YOU are assimilating information more quickly than you have assimilated previously!

MICHAEL: I guess as we get better at it, weíll start tapping into other sources of information, like the inner sources and like I had this morning, sources of information from different aspects.

ELIAS: I shall express to you, you are already engaging this action and this activity. You merely are not noticing or allowing yourselves to be paying attention to what you are creating.

But this be the point in familiarizing yourself with you, for as you become more familiar with you, and you allow yourself an objective understanding of your movement, you also allow yourself much more of an expression of freedom, and you allow yourself in that freedom more of an objective recognition of movement in other types of expressions. (Pause)

MICHAEL: Iím thinking!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And I may express to you that other than noticing as your greatest tool of engagement presently, you may also be reminding yourself to be relaxing within your energy, and this shall be key in your allowance also.

MICHAEL: Relaxing?


MICHAEL: Makes sense. Does relaxing mean slowing down time or speeding up time?

ELIAS: It matters not!

MICHAEL: I know! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

MICHAEL: Iím zooming right at the moment!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha! The speed of your relaxing is irrelevant! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! (Elias is cracking himself up here!)

But I may express to you, this may be quite interesting for your examination in your association of beliefs Ė that rapidness may be associated with less relaxation, and slowness is associated with more of a relaxation. (Chuckling) And in this, you may be challenging yourselves to be experimenting with the relaxing in rapidness! (Chuckling, and a pause)

DAWN: Elias, I have one more curiosity.

ELIAS: Very well.

DAWN: There have been things that Iíve been manifesting fairly effortlessly, and which are things that I have at different points thought I had wanted, and then these things happen, and as the time approaches where I think I should be doing something to prepare, I have lost, or seem to have lost, the motivation or excitement about it. Can you tell me whatís going on there?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) I may express to you quite simply that you experience less of the excitement as you are diminishing your motivation, and the reason you diminish your motivation is that you have already accomplished the challenge!

DAWN: Hmm! (Elias chuckles)

MICHAEL: (Inaudible)

DAWN: I guess so!

ELIAS: (Laughing) You create many types of movements quite purposefully for the challenge of their creation, for this is the element of stimulation within your focus, and once you have accomplished what you seek to accomplish in the challenge, the motivation in the action is diminished, for the challenge has been accomplished! (Chuckling)

DAWN: (Inaudible)

MICHAEL: (Inaudible)

DAWN: I guess so!

ELIAS: Ah, but I shall express to you that you may provide yourself with a never-ending supply, so to speak, of challenges! Ha ha ha ha ha! Therefore, fear not! You shall not run short in your activity! (Chuckling)

DAWN: (Laughing) Iím just worried about finishing up after the challenge is gone!

ELIAS: (Laughing) And you may examine this also in what we have discussed this day in relation to perfectionism and control ... and personal responsibility! (Chuckling)

DAWN: I will!

MICHAEL: If I could, Iíd like to do a few orientations.

ELIAS: Very well.

MICHAEL: My friend Patricia and my brother David are orientation common? (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MICHAEL: And Patriciaís cousin Elaine is Gramada/Sumafi, and her essence name is Deborah? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence family is correct. Essence name, Decorah.

MICHAEL: Decorah. Iíve got to work on those names!


MICHAEL: Could you spell Decorah?


DAWN: Was Michael correct in assessing that Patriciaís sister is intermediate? (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MICHAEL: And my father also? (Pause)

ELIAS: Common.

MICHAEL: I guess I thought his isolation was an intermediate thing. (Elias chuckles) Thatís it, unless you have anything else you want to say.

DAWN: I donít think so.

ELIAS: Very well. I offer to you each an expression of encouragement and energy within my interaction and its ongoing expression to you. This day, in great affection and in tremendous anticipation of our continued playfulness, (chuckling) ...

MICHAEL: I look forward to it greatly.

DAWN: I do too. Thank you.

ELIAS: ... I offer to you both lovingly, au revoir.

Elias departs at 4:39 p.m.

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