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Saturday, October 07, 2000

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“A Discussion on Energy Exchanges”

“Everybody Creates Differently”

“Milumet and Spirituality”

Participants: Mary (Rewind), Luanne (Inez), Marj (Grady), and Ted (Cara) ... AKA The Wild Bunch!

Vic’s note: I find it interesting that both channeling and energy exchanges were discussed on the same day in two different sessions.

Elias arrives at 12:20 p.m. (Arrival time is 24 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon! (Grinning)

GROUP: Good afternoon! (Laughing)

ELIAS: (Chuckling) We meet once again!

MARJ: Yes! Long time no see!

ELIAS: (Chuckling) And how shall we proceed this day?

TED: Go ahead, Marj.

MARJ: Are you sure?


MARJ: Okay. Elias, Gildae couldn’t make it today. She wanted to come so badly, but she had a death in the family; her father-in-law. So, she asked me if I would ask her questions for her.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARJ: Okay. Now, the first one is, she had a dream. I don’t recall what the dream was. I only remember that the main theme was that she woke up with this tremendous energy feeling in her chest, and a voice saying “Charlotte” (in a long, drawn-out voice) really loud, and she thought, “Who is that?” and she realized it was coming from her, and she wanted to know if you could tell her what that was all about.

ELIAS: This is merely the presentment of another aspect of herself, her allowance for an incorporation objectively in recognition of other aspects, another focus of herself as essence. This individual is moving in a direction of opening awareness in objective terms, allowing for interaction of more aspects of self, which is quite in conjunction with the action of this shift.

I may express to you that within the action of this shift, you may all be creating experiences that may redefine your association with normalcy and what may be deemed as lunacy, (grinning) for your roles of individuals that you now view as experiencing lunacy are becoming less defined, and I may express to you, you may be joining them within their experiences! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! (Everybody cracks up)

TED: Wonderful, wonderful!

MARJ: Soon?

LUANNE: We’re looking forward to that!

MARJ: Oh my goodness! She asked if Charlotte was a Dream Walker.


MARJ: She has an understanding that in some point in time, someone will speak for Milumet, and she’s Milumet, and she wants to speak for Milumet.


MARJ: Can she do that?

ELIAS: If she is so choosing. And why shall she be so choosing?

MARJ: I think maybe it goes back to that not liking to be common, wanting to be special in some way. I don’t know, but she just feels like she’s gonna speak for Milumet, and she keeps talking about that, and I think she was thinking maybe this Charlotte that was coming up and out of her was some link to that, maybe.

ELIAS: I shall express to you that you yourselves – and you may also offer this to Gildae – may engage information through Michael, if you are so choosing, to be availing yourselves of information that I have previously offered in relation to the different types of expressions that are offered within your physical dimension in relation to the different essence families.

For not all essence families, in the exhibition of their qualities and intents, choose to be interactive in this type of communication and this type of exchange that you view in this phenomenon that I participate within.

Other essence families direct energy in relation to you within physical focus in different manners, which in association with the qualities expressed by each of those essence families, is facilitated much more easily in the expressions that they choose.

In this, as you allow yourselves to be recognizing the information that I have offered with respect to the Milumet family, their choice to be interactive with individuals within this physical dimension for the most part is not exhibited in this type of a physical phenomenon of communication in an energy exchange – which objectively appears as an essence or a group of essences engaging your language and speaking through, in a manner of speaking, an individual – but choose to be exchanging energy in other manners. This may be helpful to Gildae in identifying what she may be engaging, and already is partially participating within.

But I shall also express to you that you may relay to her information from myself to be examining the motivation for the want of this action. I am not expressing that this action be good or bad or that she be participating or not participating in this type of action – this is merely a choice – but to be examining the motivation, for this holds significance. For she creates a drive within her which is motivated through strong associations that she holds concerning self, and in this type of action is viewing underlyingly that the action itself will alter those associations, which it will not.

Engaging in an action of participation with other essences non-physically focused to be offering information to individuals within a physical dimension does not offer the individual an expression of validation or worth or importance or specialness OR helpfulness.

This is an illusion which is expressed through the influence of your beliefs, and there are other associations of beliefs that also may be engaged and triggered in these types of engagements.

Therefore, my suggestion is that she allow herself to be familiar with herself and her direction and her motivation. I am not offering a caution, for there is no harmfulness in this type of action. I am merely offering the suggestion of examination, that she may allow herself to become more familiar with her own motivation in movement, and allow herself to view the influence of the beliefs that she holds, and therefore allow herself more choices.

The expression that she is offering presently in this want and this drive is a seeking of validation that is not being offered to herself by herself. Therefore, in actuality, the continuation of movement in this direction – without examination and without identification – is merely a reinforcement of discounting and a lack of trust of self.

Although surfacely it may appear contrary, the continued drive and striving in this particular type of expression is motivated by an inner expression of a lack of trust, and therefore is an outside attempt to be, figuratively speaking, filling the void, the hole, so to speak, which is identified inwardly with outside substance.

MARJ: Hmm. I was guessing that that was at the back of it, but you do feel that that was a correct guess on my part, that she really is bringing this on because of this lack ...


MARJ: ... that she feels within herself?


Now; as I have stated, this is not to say that this particular individual may not engage an exchange in genuineness with other essences, or allow for an openness within self to be accessing many different expressions of information which may be offered through the myriads of avenues of essence within self, for this individual IS allowing a movement, in conjunction with this shift in consciousness, to be widening awareness and allowing other aspects of essence to be objectively recognized. Therefore, I am not expressing to you that this action is impossible or unadvisable.

MARJ: Right. I understand.

ELIAS: But it is not advisable either! (Grinning)

MARJ: Right. (Everybody laughs) You always do that!

ELIAS: It is a choice, and I am not directing to the choice, but to the motivation of the choice.

MARJ: Right, I understand. She seems to be so much more open than we are. She has so many things coming through her all the time ...


MARJ: ... and she has so many impressions about things....

ELIAS: And this is quite definitely the indication and evidence that an individual is much wider and more open than yourselves! (Everybody cracks up)

MARJ: You can slap me now! (Laughing)

ELIAS: HA HA HA HA HA! (More cracking up – this group is cracked!)

You each create your movement and your imagery uniquely and differently, and you automatically express discounting of yourselves through the action of comparison, and as you continue to create this comparison between yourselves, you also create a discounting of yourselves.

For I shall offer you a guarantee that you may continue within your focus to discover some individual in some manner that shall be expressing some aspect of their reality that you shall deem to be “better” or more in experience than yourself or wider in awareness or more open within consciousness, for they may be creating different types of experiences.

But let me also express to you quite genuinely that it matters not that you may be physically encountering little squashy guys ...

TED: Oh, here we go with the little squashy guys! (Laughter)

ELIAS: ... or that you may be viewing luminous vapors within your reality, or that you may audibly hear voices from beyond!

The point is to be familiar with you within each moment, and recognizing what YOU are experiencing and creating, and how you manipulate your energy to be creating not merely of your experiences, but of your exploration of this physical dimension and of your movement into genuine remembrance, which is the being and the incorporation of the ACTION, actualizing the knowing of self, of essence, of consciousness.

You may be encountering individuals that engage many expressions that may be deemed theatrics, and they may be objectively quite impressive to you, for you do not engage that same type of action. But is the individual that is creating these actions in theatrics engaging an awareness of their own genuine remembrance, or are you engaging parlor tricks?

You do not merely look to me for parlor tricks. You look to yourselves also! (Everybody laughs) The manifestation....

MARJ: I flunked that course!

ELIAS: HA HA HA HA HA! And I shall be in good company, for I choose to be failing at this course also! (Everybody cracks up)

MARJ: Thank you, Elias!

TED: Therefore, it matters not if they’re performing theatrics or parlor tricks!

ELIAS: You are quite correct, my friend. Ha ha ha ha!

TED: They are both acceptable.

ELIAS: ALL of your experiences are acceptable. ALL of your experiences are purposeful and beneficial. They are all choices.

I am merely directing your attention in the recognition that certain choices and experiences or manifestations are not “better” than other choices and manifestations and experiences.

Each of you creates uniquely, and each of you expresses your own direction in your movement into this remembrance. It may not be expressed in the theatrics, or it may be. But the action of comparison offers you a false validation in the time frameworks that you may view similarities, and it offers you often an open opportunity for discounting of yourselves as you view differences.

Therefore, in the movement of this shift in consciousness, and the movement into the lack of judgment and the genuine expression of acceptance within self and of your beliefs, the action of comparison is void.

TED: You have said in the past that these theatrics and these parlor-trick people who perform on various stages do provide a benefit to us if we’re accepting of their information and looking at it through their belief systems and our belief systems, and that it is helping us with less trauma within the shift in consciousness, for a personal self-evaluation. Is that true?

ELIAS: At times you are correct, yes. And I have expressed in this discussion, all of these expressions are merely choices, and this is not to say that they are not purposeful or beneficial, for ALL of your choices ARE purposeful and ARE beneficial.

TED: Okay.

ELIAS: I am merely offering you information, that you may allow yourselves to widen your view and engage your periphery, and not hold your attention in the expression of [such] a narrow stream that you fascinate yourselves with merely one type of expression and choice to the exclusion of knowing all of the other expressions that you hold the ability to be creating.

MARJ: We’re just mixed up people. (Elias starts to laugh...)

TED: There’s so much stuff out there in the world ...

ELIAS: Ha ha! (...and he can’t stop himself!)

TED: ... right now that’s talking about self – looking to self, trusting self, and looking at your experiences for the experience. It’s just amazing how much is out there. I guess I’m widening my periphery ‘cause I can see a lot of it.

ELIAS: And it becomes more and more obvious objectively.

I have expressed to you, within this time framework of this present year, you have moved into your identification linearly of your new millennium, and you begin now to be inserting this shift into your objective reality. You are moving the action of this shift in consciousness from the identification of concept and theory into your actual objective reality.

And I may express to you, my friends, I am hardly the only individual essence expressing this information or recognition. You all, as you are participating in this action of this shift, in objectifying it, are creating obvious evidences of your movement, individually and collectively.

TED: I know within our little group that we meet with every week, we have such tremendous fun ... and we have a chair reserved for you!

LUANNE: Yes, we do – it’s blue and white! (Laughter)

ELIAS: And do not delude yourselves in the thought process that I may not be present! (Grinning)

TED: Oh, we know you’re present! (Laughter)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

TED: We just can’t physically see you in the chair!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

MARJ: Just promise not to scare us.

ELIAS: Ah! The expression of an expectation!

MARJ: Yes! (Laughing)

TED: Yes, it is!

ELIAS: For I may be invoking of your fear, for I hold this tremendous power to be creating your reality!

MARJ: Well, we’re thinking that you might, with your sense of humor, poke a little fun at us!

ELIAS: HA HA HA! Myself? I am quite insulted! (Everybody cracks up, and Elias chuckles)

MARJ: Luanne, are you going to ask him your question?

LUANNE: Yes, I am going to ask him my question.

ELIAS: Very well.

LUANNE: Elias, I am trying to understand or to notice how I am participating in the shift personally through my alignment with the Milumet family. The Sumafi, I can see – that’s my essence family – how I express that in my life, but I haven’t been able to notice how I express the alignment with the Milumet family within the shift in consciousness, and I was hoping that you would help me out with that.

ELIAS: Allow yourself, within your thoughts, to be engaging a thought process of recall and awareness of now in association with what you identify as the qualities of this family. Allow yourself the recognition of your impressions.

Now; in this, what do you view within yourself that moves, in your objective expressions, in relation to this essence family and the qualities expressed by it? Do not attempt in this now to be associating a classification of this movement or these experiences, but merely allow yourself momentarily to identify some aspects of the qualities that are expressed through you or within you that are the qualities of this family – any qualities of this family.

LUANNE: I have no idea.

ELIAS: Ah, you do not express any qualities of this family?

LUANNE: My understanding is, the Milumet are spiritualists, and I’m not exactly sure what that means, or even if I have it right. That’s the quality that stands out mostly in my mind, that I’m remembering of Milumet.

ELIAS: Express to me your definition of spiritualist.

LUANNE: I’m not sure what it is. Relating to spirituality, obviously, but that’s....

ELIAS: Express to me your definition of spirituality.

LUANNE: Oh brother! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) I don’t have one right now.

ELIAS: EXCELLENT! This is the quality of the Milumet! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Vic’s note: Gawd, this cracked me up! Are you there, Cathy?

LUANNE: No definitions? (Laughing)

MARJ: No spirituality! (Laughing)

ELIAS: The Milumet quality in expression is not to be identifying in the definition of spirituality as it may be expressed or defined by groups of individuals or through mass belief systems, but to be expressing spirituality as merely the identification of the entirety of being – merely being.

LUANNE: Merely being.

ELIAS: In ALL of your expression.

Individuals within your societies separate their definitions and identifications. You separate the identification of self into categories – your emotional expression, your mental expression, your physical expression, your spiritual expression. Many, many individuals associate and align with these separations through the dictates of their beliefs.

Many times, individuals that are aligning with, and at times belonging to, this essence family of Milumet are experiencing a type of confusion within their thoughts – not within their being, but within their thoughts – in the attempt to be identifying the definition of spirituality and its separation from other expressions of your beingness, and you create conflict or confusion in this attempt, for you have no objective identification of what this term is other than beingness.

Therefore, I may express to you, this in itself is an actual expression that you continue throughout your focus which is a quality of this essence family.

Now; let us view this one expression of the beingness of spirituality, and your question of, what are you creating individually in conjunction with the movement of this shift in relation to the qualities of this family of Milumet.

LUANNE: Right.

ELIAS: We have identified one quality, of the beingness of spirituality.

In your allowance of your natural flow of energy in movement in that beingness, and not creating an objective separation of definitions, and separation of activities and behaviors/expressions that move in reinforcement of this identification of separateness of spirituality versus physicality, you, in relation to this shift in consciousness, offer an objective expression as an example to yourself and to other individuals of a lack of separation, which is the point, for you have all created many separations within the expression of your perceptions.

Each area of your awareness that you allow yourselves to not be expressing this separation reinforces your action of widening your awareness to not be incorporating separation in other expressions. Therefore, you perpetuate movement of a lack of separation and the dropping of the veils of separation in all expressions.

As you allow yourself to become familiar with you, with your natural expressions, WITHOUT the definitions, WITHOUT the categorizations, you may also allow yourself to view what you individually are creating in your movement in relation to this shift in consciousness.

This also moves in conjunction with what we are expressing in relation to Gildae. You look to yourselves. You create comparisons within your thought processes in relation to other individuals, and what they create or do not create and what you create or do not create. But you are not familiarizing yourself with self.

LUANNE: Well, that’s why I asked that question ...

ELIAS: Quite!

LUANNE: ... so that I could see how ... so I could familiarize myself with myself.

ELIAS: Quite, and this is the point, that you allow yourselves to view what you ARE creating; not what you hope to be or wish to be creating, not what you identify in anticipation of what you MAY be creating as you become BETTER at creating ...

LUANNE: Right, yes! (Laughter)

ELIAS: ... but recognizing what you ARE creating, and how that expression of creation is NOW in alignment with this shift in consciousness, and what you are accomplishing within your NOW movement.

LUANNE: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome!


TED: Well, I’ve been questioning all along! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite!

TED: Quite!

ELIAS: A continual state! Ha ha ha ha ha!

TED: In the evenings, when Luanne and I retire for the evening to rest this physical manifestation that we have, she has been seeing, in conjunction with myself, swirls of dark and gray on the ceiling, with sparkles of light occurring occasionally. Would this be a viewing of other essences or of ourselves?

ELIAS: This is a viewing of your energy combined, a physical manifestation of the mergence of your energies together. It is an offering that you allow to yourselves objectively – another parlor trick, oh my! (everybody cracks up) – that allows you an objective validation, for it allows you an objective engagement of your physical outer senses that you may experience visually and within your sense of touch, for at times, you also experience sensation.

LUANNE: Yes. You have the feeling that it’s coming toward your face sometimes, that sensation.

ELIAS: Correct, and in this, you are engaging more than one outer sense, which is providing you with input information. You are allowing yourselves to be paying attention to other avenues of communication, not merely thought and emotion.

In this, you provide yourselves with objective imagery, creating a projection of your combined energy that you allow yourselves to physically view, which creates more of an objective understanding of the action of projecting energy, of mergence of energy, the continual movement of energy and the lack of boundaries or barriers within energy, and the allowance of free movement. It also is yet another example, in objective terms, of a lack of separation.

TED: Could we use that same parlor trick, in your words, (Elias chuckles) in our group that we meet with weekly?

ELIAS: If you are so choosing, yes. You may participate together, and you may be creating a very similar expression of a projection of energy – aspects of energy that each of you manipulate in cooperation with each other – and you may project this in a manner to visually view the extension of your energy fields, and allow this to merge together, and you may view this swirling action.

MARJ: That would be neat, ‘cause we’ve all seen it individually, but maybe we have a lot to work on with that. That would be neat.

TED: I was gonna ask, what method should we use in this endeavor? (Everybody laughs)

ELIAS: It matters not!

TED: I knew you were going to say that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

LUANNE: And I want to thank you also for the blue balls of energy that you’ve been sending my way.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome! (Chuckling) And I shall continue to be interactive with you all, and I shall continue to be offering energy and encouragement also.

TED: Are you also interactive with the energy exchange that I undertake with C9, within Regional Area 3 or 4?

ELIAS: Not within the physical action, for I do not engage the physical action of communication through this particular type of focal point.

TED: That I understand.

ELIAS: But at times, within a type of energy manipulation to be influencing of “steering,” (grinning, and everybody laughs) there is an interaction of my energy; not directly, as I have stated, in the engagement of the focal point, but in some aspects of interjection of direction and information within energy, yes.

TED: Okay, I have one more thing I would like to ask about. It’s not really a concept, but it’s an idea that I’ve formed in reading all of your transcripts and listening to you speak so many times.

I would just like to project for a minute here that I am Cara, a focus of Cara, a focus of attention of my essence, which I am all of, and then there’s my essence of Cara. I am also consciousness, all of consciousness. Therefore, we are all interconnected or all the same, all one big happy family of consciousness, with special links to form personalities – Cara, Inez, Grady, Elias, Michael. Is this concept essentially correct?


TED: That’s such a short answer! (Laughter)

ELIAS: And are you not inquiring for simplicity? (Grinning)

MARJ: What’s wrong with yes? That’s a great validation!

TED: So we are connected at all times.


TED: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are very welcome.

TED: I have no more questions. (Elias chuckles)

MARJ: The only thing that I’m thinking of is, Joanne receives a lot of information. Cara gives a lot of information, and you give a lot of information. It’s not all the same. It’s very ... so many times you’re so sure that this impression that you have or this information that came to you IS. And then you speak, let’s say, to C9, and her interpretation is slightly different, and then your interpretation is different. How do you trust what you believe you know within you when the other information differs?

ELIAS: And what have we been speaking of today, in the action of comparing?

MARJ: Okay. You should trust what you know.


MARJ: Trust you, okay. I want to tell her that....

ELIAS: I may be offering information, and I may express to you that each of you – EACH of you – receive that information uniquely. Your interpretation, your perception of the information that I offer, is different from each other individual.

MARJ: Okay. We’re each receiving it differently.

ELIAS: Correct, for it is experienced and assimilated through your perception, which IS the entirety of your reality, which is individual and unique. There is no other expression of consciousness that is identical to you! Therefore, you may view commonalties or similarities within your realities, but each expression of reality is different. There are no absolutes. (Emphatically)

MARJ: So if she hears ... let’s say she has this specific knowing inside herself, or interpretation of something she’s receiving. We sit and discuss it. C9 gives her something different, and she says, “I don’t agree with that.” She is doing the right thing by trusting what she is viewing?

ELIAS: Correct. But this is not necessarily the expression of absoluteness within each other individual. It may be accepted as genuine and correct, so to speak, within one individual, for this is the expression of their perception and their reality and the trusting of listening to their voice. There is no right or wrong!

MARJ: Okay.

ELIAS: You may be, in opinion, agreeing or disagreeing with any expression within your physical reality, and this is not necessarily the expression of a judgment of right or wrong. It is merely the identification of difference. Difference is not right or wrong. It is merely difference, and each of you create differently, and this is the point that we have been discussing this day.

MARJ: Well, I can see ... I know I do it myself, and I know Gildae does it. She has an impression, she hears a different perception of her thought, and then she doubts herself.

ELIAS: Quite.

MARJ: And so, it is very hard to trust all of the things that come to you, because you automatically go, uh-oh, I must be all wet.

ELIAS: Difference is interpreted through your beliefs as threat. Sameness is interpreted through your beliefs as validation.

MARJ: Right, okay.

ELIAS: Therefore, if you are expressing sameness between yourselves, you offer yourselves and each other validation. If you are expressing difference, there is an automatic association with threat, which is also automatically triggering of many other expressions – defense, protection, shielding, an expression of control, an expression of absolutes, and that you must be exerting your energy to another individual to override, in your assessment, their energy to be expressing the rightness of yourself! (Everybody is laughing)

LUANNE: It’s wonderful!

MARJ: Right!


MARJ: May I ask you one quick question?

ELIAS: You may.

MARJ: It’s not lady-like for me to ask, but how old are you?

ELIAS: Ah! I may express to you, as old as time itself.

MARJ: Ah, I kinda thought that.

TED: And I thought you were older than dirt!

MARJ: That IS older than dirt! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite!

MARJ: I’m older than dirt! (Everybody cracks up)

ELIAS: I have invented dirt! (Everybody cracks up again)

MARJ: I love it!

TED: Did you invent dirt or time first?

ELIAS: (Tongue in cheek) It is dependent upon the dimension that you are referring to as to which may have been invented first, the dirt or the expression of time! (Laughing)

TED: I will defer that to my Zuli friend, as she helped create that.

ELIAS: Ah! And I may express to you, you also!

TED: I know, I know, but she was the design engineer.

ELIAS: Ah! I am the design engineer!

TED: As we all are!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! (They’re all cracking up again!)

MARJ: Elias, thank you so much!

TED: Thank you.

LUANNE: Thank you, Elias.

ELIAS: You are very welcome, my friends. I anticipate our continuation of interaction this day.

MARJ: We couldn’t live without you anymore. You know that, don’t you?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! To you each, until later, I express au revoir.

GROUP: Au revoir.

Elias departs at 1:19 p.m.

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