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Sunday, December 03, 2000

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“Sweala and Grelko – Part 3”

Participants: Mary (Michael), Howard (Bosht), and Margot (Giselle).

Elias arrives at 2:25 p.m. (Arrival time is 21 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon!

MARGOT: Hi Elias, my friend!

ELIAS: HA HA! Giselle, my friend!

MARGOT: Well, I’m here again! I come around like everything else does – I cycle through and cycle out!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: The last time we talked, the session did record, but the recording didn’t have any sound. Can you provide any clues as to why that occurred? Was it me, or what happened?

Vic’s note: This would be session #718, 11/5/00. It was strange because the sound began to record, but stopped before Elias arrived.

ELIAS: Express to me your impression of this event, first of all.

MARGOT: My impression of that event was that there wasn’t any reason that there should not have been any sound, because as I recall, I was in a good space – I’m pretty much always in a good space when I talk to you – and I really didn’t have any other impression at all.

ELIAS: Now; examining this, you offer information to yourself, and you assess that you are not interfering with the sound of this particular interaction. Therefore, you yourself individually have not created an interruption of the sound, and you are validating this to yourself, correct?

MARGOT: That would be true, but what I create many times, I am not objectively aware of.

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Or so your thoughts dictate to you!


ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: Ha ha ha. (Mimicking Elias in a droll manner)

ELIAS: Let me express to you, Giselle, that in actuality, this physical creation has manifest in relation to the information which was discussed in that particular conversation, and in this, in agreement with yourself and myself, this has been a joint projection of energy which created that affectingness.

MARGOT: Was it having to do with the fact that I asked you about the other reality?


MARGOT: Oh, okay. So why did we agree then, or can I know that?

ELIAS: In this, what was discussed in that particular conversation was prevented from being transcribed and offered as what you may term to be general information in relation to time. The factor of time was the influencing aspect of why that particular information was not offered to be transcribed within that communication that we engaged together.

Let me express to you, certain communications are engaged and there may be information offered to an individual within a particular time framework that may be beneficial to the individual in that time framework, but may not necessarily be assimilated without an incorporation of much distortion by other individuals. Are you following thus far?


ELIAS: In this, generally in those interactions, the conversation may not be chosen to be transcribed. At times the conversation may not be taped.

MARGOT: Yeah ... and this has to do with time?


MARGOT: Or the time framework in which it occurred?

ELIAS: Yes, for the time framework in which it occurred is not in harmony with the direction of information being offered and received in the construct of the least distortion.

MARGOT: After I found out there wasn’t going to be any sound on the tape, then I went back through, and I’d made some notes of everything during the session, and nothing struck me as being easily distorted.

ELIAS: Ah, but this is the point. In your terms, nothing has struck YOU as holding the ability to be easily distorted.

MARGOT: That’s true! (Laughing)

ELIAS: And therefore, you and I engaged the conversation.

In this, it matters not that objectively you may choose to be not allowing yourself an awareness of how information may be interpreted by other individuals.

First of all, this is not your responsibility. Therefore, it is unnecessary for you to be incorporating that direction.

But within essence and within my agreement of an energy exchange in the manner in which it is offered, I do hold an awareness of how information shall be translated in specific time frameworks. I am aware that there is an expression of difference in the offering of information in conversation with individuals and the transcribing of information, but this all is quite purposeful also.

MARGOT: Oh, I’m sure that it is. I don’t doubt that at all.

ELIAS: In this, it may objectively appear that the time framework matters not, for within your perception, there appears to be not a tremendous difference of time – that within one conversation information may be expressed, and in the translation of the transcribing, it shall be set forth, so to speak, and shall be misinterpreted, and within a short, so to speak, time framework, similar information may be offered and it shall not incorporate much distortion as it is assimilated by individuals.

But I shall express to you, within this time framework presently, there is much very swift movement occurring within individuals, and therefore, what you view as a small passage of time may be quite significant in the lack of distortion that may be incorporated in some aspects of information.

MARGOT: I do understand that. I can testify on my own that the reality that I have been in for the last few days has been very different, and I’m very much aware that there are elements in my reality that I’m only translating in a certain way for myself.

I have even wondered – I’ve spent a lot of time wondering and I was going to get into this – in the last week or two if I’m more subject to the energy of the wave that we’re in right now, or to the shift, or to transition. And then on Friday, I was so scattered! It was so difficult for me to focus on anything for more than a minute that I began to wonder if the energy of this mass event that we’re in right now, this election thing, might have something to do with it.

ELIAS: Partially, yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: I felt that way on Friday and decided that I was not nuts, but that there was something going on that I didn’t understand. So, yes, I do understand. I don’t understand everything about time that I’d like to, but I do understand what you just said, and I thank you for that explanation.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

I am acknowledging of you that you have validated to yourself that you individually were not causing the disruption of sound in the physical taping of our conversation, for I am also recognizing that within your expression of yourself objectively, you do lean in the expression of chastising yourself in actions that you attribute to yourself, such as this, and create a frustration within yourself in discounting yourself.

In actuality, it has been created quite purposefully, through my energy in agreement with yourself.

MARGOT: Well, yes, and I can recall that not too long ago, you and I raised a red car out of somebody’s driveway!


MARGOT: I think we get along well, Elias! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Let me also express to you a significant point in this creation. Were you not to be in agreement with that action, another avenue may have been engaged in which I may have not offered information to you in the manner that I did.

MARGOT: Oh, okay. Thank you.

ELIAS: I would not be interruptive of the sound of that conversation were you not also to be agreeing to that action, for this would be creating a choice, so to speak, for you, which is intrusive.

MARGOT: Yes, and I do understand that.

You have three new friends who would like to have a little more information than they’ve already gotten from others in the forum. For Bridgett – I think I’m saying that name correctly – she already has her essence name and her family information. Now she would like to know if she is in transition, and if so, for how long. (Pause)

ELIAS: Engaging the action of transition, yes; engaged within the time framework, three and one-quarter years.

MARGOT: Okay. She also would like to know how many focuses she has in this time frame.

ELIAS: In this time framework, four beside herself.

MARGOT: Okay. Then she must be a final focus. Can I assume that?

ELIAS: You may inquire this of the individual!

MARGOT: Alright, I will! Would you also give me the number of focuses she’s had in all time frameworks in this dimension?

ELIAS: Total numbering of focuses in this dimension, 1416.

MARGOT: Thank you. She would also like to know, for her two sons, their essence names and the family information – that whole routine that we get into. The first son’s name is Karsten. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Jaze; J-A-Z-E. Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Tumold; orientation, common.

MARGOT: Okay, and the second son is Tim. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Melvin; M-E-L-V-I-N. Essence family, Ilda; alignment, Zuli; orientation, common.

MARGOT: Thank you very much.

For Anjuli – I think I said that right – she would like to have her essence name, family information, orientation, and color signature tone. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence name, Miranda; M-I-R-A-N-D-A. Essence family, Milumet; alignment, Borledim; orientation, soft.

MARGOT: Elias, I managed to pull the phone off of the desk, and I cut myself off from you for just a minute there. I got the essence name of Miranda, and I didn’t get the families. I did hear soft.

ELIAS: Milumet; alignment, Borledim.

MARGOT: Thank you. I’m sorry that occurred. And her color tone signature? (Pause)

ELIAS: Color may be translated into what you identify as wintergreen.

MARGOT: Okay, and then I have a message from Lyran, who we know as Ingomar, and he just wants me to tell you – and I’m gonna read this.

“If you would so mind thanking him for my name, thanking him for the great work he is doing on all of us, and for turning my essence light back on some more. Tell him that it is lighter around me now than it ever was, thanks to him, and that should give him some bonus points in whatever environment he is attached to presently, and I mean that dearly. His sessions do not leave much more to ask for, but I will prepare, nevertheless, a list of questions for him and see him personally, if I can arrange it, next year.”

ELIAS: Very well, and you may express, you are welcome.

MARGOT: Okay, thank you. Okay, let me move on here. I’d like to talk about the other reality, and I’m kind of wanting another name for it than just “the other reality.”

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: And I did ask Sweala about what they call that reality, and I’ll make that question first. I think I got a word that starts with M-E-R, and it could have been, I felt, Meruna or something like that. Can you give me any ideas about whether I brought that through?

ELIAS: Merluna.

MARGOT: Spell that.


MARGOT: Oh! I was quite close! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Now; be recognizing that this is not the identification of the reality, but the identification of....

MARGOT: The civilization.

ELIAS: Not necessarily the civilization, but more the identification of the physical place, so to speak.

MARGOT: Yes. That’s what I asked her for. I told her, of course, what we call that place, which we call it Boynton Canyon, and then I got this M-E-R word back. This is a good way for me to begin with this, because I don’t seem to have any problem at all trying to connect with her. I had a good session with her, and then I stopped because I was so doubtful of what I thought she had said. In a logical sense, so to speak, it didn’t make sense to me, and that’s why I asked for this session at this time, so that I could run some of this past you, because I just came up with so many doubts, which is kind of the way I am when I first get into a thing – I doubt a great deal.

So, one other statement she made to me, I think – she indicated that their bodies have form, but no substance. Can you translate that for me? (Laughing)

ELIAS: Substance meaning solidity in molecular structure as YOU are familiar with.

MARGOT: Yes. That’s why I doubted, I think.

ELIAS: In this, there is solidity, in a manner of speaking, but not in the construct that is familiar to you.

Within this physical reality, you direct energy in a manner in relation to time that creates a physical structure in which the aspects of consciousness or the links of consciousness move together in a density, so to speak.

MARGOT: Right. I think you’ve explained that before.

ELIAS: In this, you form an appearance of solidity in physical matter, which creates the illusion of absoluteness in solidity.

MARGOT: Yes. I understand.

ELIAS: Now; in that, these individuals within this other-dimensional expression do also create in physical matter, but the links of consciousness are bound together more loosely, and therefore there is less of a solidity within physical matter, which allows for more movement through what you would term to be objects.

You create a perception that you may not move through a physical object. In actuality, as I have stated many times, you do hold the ability to create that action, but you believe that you may not move through a physical solid object, for you also are a physical solid object.

Within that reality, their perception of their reality is less dense, and therefore they allow themselves movement through other forms that may appear to be solid.

MARGOT: I understand. We had a conversation about that in which she said that they have observed the manner of our reality – being such a physical reality to us – and the things we do and the way we create, and they observe that this requires us a great deal of maintenance, just of everything in our reality. Did I get the point behind that?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. This is the perception of these individuals. You create much more of a manipulation of energy within this physical reality.

Be remembering, as I have expressed to you previously and many times, this particular physical reality is, in your terms, one of the most complex and intricate physical realities that is expressed. Therefore, there is much more of a manipulation of energy in creating and maintaining the physical expression of it, and of yourselves!

MARGOT: Yes, I can certainly see that. Once a long time ago, she told me she was involved in what I would refer to as “moon energy.” Is this so? (Pause)


MARGOT: Would my sense then be correct that this culture was or is also responsible for our moon, the one we see in our sky?

ELIAS: It is not “responsible for,” but does incorporate that aspect of creation into their reality also. It is interacted with differently than you interact with it, but it is a shared expression.

MARGOT: Okay. I asked her – or I don’t know, maybe she brought it up – if she has a pet. I saw it as a big dog, or the size of a big dog, and she indicated to me that they create with thought forms, and so this dog is a thought form. I doubted that after I got through. Could you explain what she said to me? Is it a thought form?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. This is an accurate translation into your understanding and your language, for it is a projection of energy that creates a manifestation – in like manner to themselves – holding less solidity or density than do you.

In this, their manipulation of energy through the creation of thought is a different design than your creation of thought.

MARGOT: Yes, I see. She indicated that everything in their reality is done in that manner – that I’m translating into thought form – and that then when they don’t want what they brought into their reality any longer, they just think it gone, and it is.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Yes. It seems like all I have to do is think of Sweala and talk about her and she’s here ... and she’s here right now, I think. One of our cats has begun to have interaction with either a playful essence or Sweala’s big dog, because our cat has been doing something she’s never done before. She begins with a kind of a howl when this energy is around, and begins to chase her. I mean, they’re playing. She shows all of the symptoms of being frightened, but she’s having a good time at the same time. If this isn’t the big dog of Sweala’s, what is this? (12-second pause)

ELIAS: Ah! You may be inquiring of Sweala. It is not that particular creature, but another creature that is incorporated in that reality.

MARGOT: Oh! Well, does the creature come along when Sweala and Grelko do, or does it come on its own?

ELIAS: At times, both.

MARGOT: Okay, that’s a great answer. Our friend Carol was told years ago that she has a focus in that reality whose name is Fabar – F-A-B-A-R, I believe – and that this Fabar works with death. I asked Sweala about this, and she told me that his occupation is working more with health – and death, but there’s a big health aspect. Is this so? (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct. Understand that the action or the creation of death is exhibited differently within that reality, and holds a different meaning.

MARGOT: Oh, I’m sure that’s true. I don’t doubt that at all.

ELIAS: The reason that it translates into your reality in this term is that this particular term of death in your reality holds a similar – although not the same – type of definition in action, in that your association in this reality with the action of death is a movement that shall create an emergence from one area of consciousness to another area of consciousness, and in that action, many aspects of your reality alter, although not necessarily immediately.

But [in] your association or your defining of death in your physical reality, generally speaking – not necessarily information that I have offered to you, but within your own definitions – you view this as a turning point, or a movement from one type of reality to an entirely different type of reality. This is what is dictated by your beliefs and how you define this action of death. Therefore, you express terminology such as “crossing over” or “moving to another side.”

In that definition, it is an accurate type of translation to offer that terminology, and in relation to what you view as health. For within the other reality, this type of action is altering of the entirety of the individual’s reality, but in relation to a continuation within that reality. In your physical terms, in a manner of speaking, it may be likened to a crossing over into a different type of physical manifestation which is related, in their terms, to a state of being physically, and therefore may be translated, in your terms, as a state of health.

Are you understanding?

MARGOT: Yes. Yes, I am. In other words then, they would be aware or in their presence, so to speak, and that’s probably not the right term. But they would be aware and in communication with those that have gone into this altered state of being?

ELIAS: Quite, for they are not disengaging....

MARGOT: Yes, I understand. That’s neat! (Laughing)

The last time we talked, you told me ... because we were trying to identify who Grelko is in our present reality – what focus of whom Grelko is, better said – and we think it’s Mary. (Pause)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct.

MARGOT: Ah! Thank you!

HOWARD: With a touch of Elias.


HOWARD: Is that correct?

ELIAS: No! (Chuckling)

HOWARD: No? Alright.

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: (Laughing) Do you recall one time quite a while ago, I talked to you about the evening I came home from work and seemed to be in an altered state without knowing I’d gone there, and I saw what I described to you as a golden temple back through the pine trees in our yard there, and you did verify for me that that was in an other-dimensional reality?


MARGOT: Would this be in this reality that we’re referring to now?


MARGOT: Okay, I thought that was so. Also, you told Howard last summer, I believe, that this place that we have always referred to as a Lemurian colony, that they were connected to Lemuria because this colony had been the ones that had founded or instigated or organized the dimension we speak of as Lemuria.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MARGOT: Then the fact that I have always believed that that reality of that continent was/is in place in this same area that this colony lives in now would be true.


MARGOT: Okay, great! That confirms that.

ELIAS: This also, I shall express to you, is the reason, so to speak, that there are many individuals that hold strong associations with what they view to be myths, so to speak ... in which, in YOUR physical dimension, they may be viewed as mythological. But they are quite real within other physical dimensions, and they are so closely associated with your physical dimension that the veil, so to speak, is very thin.

MARGOT: Yes, I believe that. I’ve always felt very aligned with this place, and I had read everything I could ever find on it, but I had felt that it was just myth.

ELIAS: Correct. This is that you do recognize, within YOUR reality, that there are aspects of your myth, so to speak, that do not fit within your actual physical reality. But you translate much that you allow to fit, and the reason that you create that translation is that the veil IS quite thin and you DO hold focuses of your essence in both physical realities, and therefore, you hold an awareness of the other, almost to the point of its insertion into your reality.

You may liken this to your home, in which you incorporate more than one room. Your physical body occupies one room within a particular moment, but you hold an awareness of the other rooms and you hold a knowing of their presence, even in the time frameworks that you are not physically occupying them. They do not become unreal within your perception, merely that you are not physically occupying them.

MARGOT: Yes, I understand that. I also have had a concept within myself for a long time that since there’s so much overlapping, so to speak, of dimensional realities within this dimension that I occupy, that many of the things ... well, let me put it this way. I feel that many of what we refer to as natural landmarks in my reality are in other realities other things.

Well, here’s a good example ... I’m sorry that I’m stumbling around. Down in the Boynton Canyon area, which is where this colony is, there are a lot of outcroppings of rocks that look very much like buildings and things like that, and this is why this place is so magical to everybody. In my terms, I would say that we see them as rocks or as mountains or whatever, but they’re actually other structures in other dimensions, and we’re only getting our translation of it.

ELIAS: Correct ...

MARGOT: Would that be right?

ELIAS: ... in a manner of speaking. For it is not merely your translation, as though it is some other actual construct that you translate into your reality, but that is not an element of your reality. But I am understanding of what you are expressing, and you are correct, for the same physical matter, so to speak, occupies more than one physical dimension.

It is constructed within your physical dimension in one manner, and therefore is created to be a particular type of manifestation. The same links of consciousness are incorporated within other dimensions, but are constructed in different manners, and therefore appear differently in those dimensions. You are correct, I may express, that they physically appear similar in both dimensions.

MARGOT: Thank you so much for that! I have felt that way for so long now.

It’s almost time for us to wind this up, but I want to ask one more thing that came to mind while I was asking you other things. Vicki feels, and has felt ever since I began telling her about this, that Grelko is her and Ron, or Ron, or just her. When I told her that we felt it was Mary, the only explanation that we could think of would be because of the twin connection between Mary and Vicki.

Vic’s note: This was not my impression; this was a miscommunication. My impression was that Sweala was a focus of my essence – even though the essence name was different – and that Grelko was somebody I knew very well, which I translated into being a focus of Ron’s essence. I have since discovered that I am an observing essence of the focus of Sweala, which explains my impression to me.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MARGOT: Okay, so that’s why she feels that?

ELIAS: Yes. I may express to you, Giselle, that this in actuality is quite common with these twins, that there may be some expressions in which one or the other may identify themselves within, and in actuality, it may be an expression of the other.

MARGOT: I see. I do think I understand that. So then could we say, or could you confirm, that Vicki herself, her essence, has a focus in that other reality, or does she just feel it with Mary?

ELIAS: Both.

MARGOT: Both, okay. (Laughing)

HOWARD: Can I say that I worked on this a lot with the TFE we did, just to understand, and I got a name, something like Moish, meaning little one; affectionate. It was like a nickname for her. Moisha?

ELIAS: Moisha.

MARGOT: Moisha?

ELIAS: Moisha. (Correcting pronunciation)



MARGOT: Thank you! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

HOWARD: As for Bobbi, she worked in the emerald temple, working with chakras, or actually energy, shifting movement of the green energy?

ELIAS: Not past tense. (Grinning)

MARGOT: Not past tense, but now in that ...


MARGOT: ... other reality.


MARGOT: Oh, thank you! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: We’re having such a good time with this, Elias!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!

MARGOT: Very good! Also, as long as I’m going in this direction, Lynda or Ruther thinks she has a focus in this reality. Can I tell her she does?


MARGOT: Okay, I will! Thank you a lot, Elias. This has been great!

ELIAS: You are very welcome, and I shall be encouraging to you to continue incorporating fun in your exploration and your interaction!

MARGOT: Oh, we certainly will!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

HOWARD: Before you go, I have to know ... I had a dream the other night of an epic of a famous personality, and I just have to ask you, was William Boyd a focus of mine?


HOWARD: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend.

MARGOT: And the beat goes on!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! I am greatly acknowledging to you both, and I shall offer one more aspect in parting with you, Giselle.

MARGOT: Alright.

ELIAS: Recognize that all of the information that has been offered to you previously – in our interaction that incorporates no sound (chuckling) – shall be incorporated again.

MARGOT: Are you saying that if that tape was played again, it would have sound?


MARGOT: It WILL have in the future?

ELIAS: No. I shall offer the information again.

MARGOT: Oh! Do we need to put that in the next session I have?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

MARGOT: Okay, you’re just going to do that.


MARGOT: Because there was all that great stuff in there – that you said you haven’t talked about before – having to do with thought, and that our thought is to translate sexuality and emotion.

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct, and this information shall be offered, and I have already begun the incorporation of that information recently.

MARGOT: Yes. Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.

I express to you both much encouragement, and I shall continue to be interactive with you playfully, and I anticipate our next meeting and the exploration in your new adventure!

MARGOT: Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. To you both in tremendous affection, as always and as my friends, au revoir.

MARGOT: Au revoir.

HOWARD: Thank you.

Elias departs at 3:26 p.m.

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