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Wednesday, January 19, 2000

<  Session 548 (Private/Phone)  >

ďMistakes and OpportunitiesĒ

ďConsciously Creating PainĒ

ďTo Croak or Not To Croak?Ē

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Leslie (Margaret).

Elias arrives at 11:52 AM. (Arrival time is 35 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

LESLIE: Good morning! How are you ... whoops! Habit! ďHow are you today?Ē I was gonna say. I know, ďAs always!Ē (They both laugh) You took a long time to get here today! (Elias chuckles) I thought maybe you decided not to come.

ELIAS: Ah, I am always available!

LESLIE: Does everybody else chat to you as much as I do? (Elias chuckles) I chat to you all the time, donít I!

ELIAS: Many individuals also participate in this type of activity! (They both laugh)

LESLIE: Well, I guess we can get started, huh?

ELIAS: Very well. You may proceed.

LESLIE: Okay. How many focuses does my husband have? (Pause)

ELIAS: In this particular physical dimension, 411.

LESLIE: Holy smokes!! (Elias chuckles) No wonder heís so docile! Heís tired! (Laughing) Oh my gosh! Thatís a lot! I canít even imagine having that many. Whew! Thatís exhausting just thinking about it!

Letís see. Oh, Iíd like to ask a couple of families. Nathan Ė can you tell me his family and alignment, please? (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence family, Sumari; alignment, Ilda.

LESLIE: Okay, and my boss, Paul. (Pause)

ELIAS: Essence family, Tumold; alignment, Vold.

LESLIE: Hmm. Okay, thank you. Letís see. I donít remember my dreams anymore. Is there a reason Iím choosing not to do this?

ELIAS: What you are creating presently is a time framework in which you are allowing yourself to be holding your attention in objective interaction. Therefore, you have turned your attention to be viewing and noticing all that you are creating objectively, and offering yourself a time framework in which you are not engaging the memory, so to speak, of dream interaction, which may be distracting to you, in one manner. For as you allow yourself to be viewing your dream imagery, you occupy your attention in the direction of attempting to be interpreting dream imagery, and as you are engaging that activity, you are not holding your attention in what you are creating objectively within waking state. Therefore, you have chosen temporarily to be offering yourself this time framework in which your attention is solely held in noticing and viewing objectively in waking state, so to speak.

LESLIE: Okay. That makes sense. Iíve been doing some work for a lady, and no matter what I do, I just canít get it right. I have to keep doing it over and over, and itís just stupid mistakes. Why am I creating this? Why am I doing this? (Elias chuckles) I mean, this is ridiculous! (Laughing)

ELIAS: This is an opportunity. (Grinning)

LESLIE: Oh, another one of those! (They both laugh) Okay!

ELIAS: And I hold an awareness of how you value this terminology!

LESLIE: I know! (Laughing) It always means a big hassle. Opportunity and hassle go together well!

ELIAS: This would be your perception and your identification!

LESLIE: Thatís true!

ELIAS: I express to you that as you are creating this type of action, what you are offering yourself in opportunity is to be noticing all that you are creating, and how very easily you move into the expression of judgment with self, and how very easily you also accept and assume within you the judgment of other individuals which is projected to you. This allows you to view the automatic response in these situations, and how you create this discounting of self so very often and consistently, and how easily you move into this type of expression.

Now; it also offers you the opportunity to view how you may be turning your perception slightly, and recognizing that all of these actions that you are creating are not mistakes. They are created that you may provide yourself with information that gains your attention.

In this, you may also allow yourself to view that your creation is not merely purposeful in the moment and not merely that it is not a mistake, but that it also is beneficial to you, for were you not viewing in the manner that you are assessing you are creating a mistake, you would not be recognizing that you are discounting of self, and therefore you would not be objectively motivating yourself to be examining these expressions and allowing yourself to alter your perception, recognizing that you are creating in the moment perfectly and that you may be offering yourself the opportunity to be accepting of each action that you are creating in that moment through the recognition that it is beneficial to you, regardless of your assessment initially and automatically that this may be a mistake.

Therefore, what I am expressing to you is that as you allow yourself to view [in] each moment what you assess to be an action that may be a mistake, you may also offer yourself in that moment the opportunity to stop and view how you are creating an automatic response.

If you are not viewing automatic responses, you are not allowing yourself an objective awareness that you are even creating them. Therefore, how may you alter automatic responses if you do not hold an objective awareness that you are creating them?

The point of this shift in consciousness is not to be creating your reality Ė you are already creating your reality Ė and is not to be creating your reality efficiently, for you already are creating your reality efficiently.

The point of this shift in consciousness is that you may allow yourself to be objectively, intentionally creating your reality, and recognizing objectively all that you ARE creating, and how and why, and this allows you objectively many more choices and much less limitation.

LESLIE: Oh! Thatís cool! (Elias laughs) Yeah, I like that. So that opportunity was cool! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles)

Let me ask you something in relation to what we were just talking about. I was cutting something on a cutting board, and I jabbed the knife into my finger, but before I jabbed it into my finger, I knew. Well, I didnít know I was going to jab it; I figured I was going to cut myself. But I knew I was gonna do it. Why did I do it then?

ELIAS: This offers you a clear viewing, in a very mundane action, of your abilities Ė how you are creating of an action without thought, how you are creating of a choice of probabilities in the moment, and how you are offering yourself the recognition of the choice in the moment.

Now; let us examine this one action that you have created and that you have noticed and that you have offered to yourself as an examination to be providing yourself with information. Let us be recalling our previous interaction, in which you have discussed with myself your viewing of yourself as a focus of essence, and your viewing and assessment of essence, and the separation that you recognize between these two elements, so to speak, or your perception that they are two elements, and how you are expressing to yourself many times this discussion with self concerning your essence, and how your essence is creating actions and manipulating your energy without your permission. Are you remembering of our discussion?

LESLIE: Oh, yes! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Now; let us continue in this memory of our interaction with this subject matter.

In this, you also have expressed that your essence creates choices without your permission, and in your common vernacular, in a manner of speaking, at times mayďtrip you upĒ or may be creating choices that offer conflict to you, or that you are not understanding entirely of certain choices that essence is creating FOR you, and that you choose at times to be blaming essence Ė which is of course separated from you and is not you Ė for certain actions that are occurring within your reality.

And I have expressed to you that there is no element of your reality that is removed from you, and that you hold an awareness of all that you are creating; that it is not created outside of you, that essence is not an entity or an element which is outside of you and removed from you, and that there is no element of your reality that is created without your permission and without your awareness.

I have also expressed to you, the reason that there is importance in your holding your attention within the now is that this offers you the opportunity to objectively recognize all that you are creating, and that it is not hidden from you.

In this one experience, you have offered yourself, in a manner of speaking, in slow motion, the viewing of how you create an action, a choice, a probability, and how you actualize that choice, and how you also offer yourself the small voice Ė that you identify as an impression or your intuition within yourself Ė that expresses to you the knowledge that you are creating a particular action in the moment, and that this action is not hidden from you, and you do hold an awareness of what you are creating in each moment. It is merely a question of whether you shall allow yourself objectively to be paying attention, and in this, it requires no thought process to be creating your reality.

You have created the probability in the moment. You have created the choice in the moment. You have actualized the choice in the moment, and you have inserted that choice into your official reality in the moment, and in the moment you have also offered yourself objective recognition of all that you have created.

You are physically within your hand holding an object. You are creating an action with that object. You are placing your finger in contact with that object. You are slowing time within that moment, offering yourself the objective recognition, noticing, and even thought; identifying the probability, the choice, the insertion into your official reality, the actualization, and the manifestation of the action; and in this, you create the contact between the object and your finger, and you watch objectively as you create this entire process.

This offers you the viewing of how you create your reality in each moment Ė how within the moment you create a probability, you create a choice to be inserting that probability into your reality, you create the probability inserted, and you manifest, and you allow yourself the knowing, and you create the outcome within the moment.

All of this occurs in actuality simultaneously, but you have allowed yourself in your physical dimension, your physical objective reality, to slow your actual time, that you may view all of these actions which occur simultaneously.

LESLIE: You know, thatís exactly how it did happen too, because the thought entered my mind that Iím going to do something with the knife to my hand or my finger, and then I saw that, or however you want to put it Ė you put it more eloquently Ė and then I knew that if I just put the knife down and quit or changed the position of my hand, that I wouldnít create that, and yet I chose, and I knew I chose too. I knew I chose to continue on that path.

ELIAS: Quite.

LESLIE: And when I jabbed the knife into my finger, I wasnít surprised a bit.


LESLIE: And it WAS like slow motion. I never thought of it like that, but all of these were very definite patterns. There was a sequence to it. I never thought of what it represented, but yeah.

ELIAS: Now also allow yourself to view this particular activity, for within your beliefs individually and en masse, this action may be perceived as a negative, and painful.

I shall express to you that you are and have been creating physical painfulness within your focus, and you hold questioning as to how you are creating this painfulness and why you shall not be discontinuing the creation of this painfulness or how you may be discontinuing the creation of this painfulness.

Now; allow yourself to view this one small action that you have offered to yourself as an example, for in this, as you have created an action that is viewed as negative ... it is not good to be cutting your finger. It is also, in your assessment of cause and effect, creating painfulness. But view how you have created the probability and the choice and implemented the choice, knowing within your beliefs that this action shall create pain, AND YOU HAVE CREATED THE ACTION ANYWAY, and you have not created a different choice, although objectively you recognized that you held the ability within that moment to be creating another choice.

Many individuals, yourself also, question repeatedly, ďWhy shall I be creating any action within my focus that shall be creating pain? Why do I create painfulness?Ē And I have expressed many times, this is merely a choice.

Your view of pain is influenced by your beliefs, and it is your creation through your perception. You perceive that a specific action or manipulation of energy is creating pain, and you identify and define pain as negative and hurtful, and therefore this is what you create. You create the energy to be expressed in a particular type of feeling, be it emotional or physical or mental, in your terms. Any association with pain, in your definition of pain, is hurtful, and therefore this is what you create.

But you also question why you are creating of this. There may be many layers of why you are creating of any one particular action within your physical focus, but I shall express to you that they are in actuality merely choices.

One choice is not better or worse than another choice. The choice in itself is neutral. Your belief concerning that choice influences your perception, and your perception creates your reality, and this is the creation of your definition and your assessment and your response to the actions that you create within your reality.

And this is the direction in which I address to you, that you may be viewing and therefore allowing yourself to turn your attention, for as you turn your attention and allow yourself to view other aspects of your reality, not merely the automatic responses which are influenced by your beliefs, you may alter your perception, and your outcome may be quite different.

LESLIE: Okay. Why ... okay. I create the pain, wherever it is. It doesnít matter, or as you would say, it matters not. Then I realize I created it, so I think I just want to create something different. I want to use the wordďuncreate,Ē but Iíve been corrected on that. So, I want to create something different. Why is it that I donít do that until I go to the doctor? As soon as I go to the doctor, then he orders up an MRI or a CAT scan or some other dumb thing, and then I create it gone. Why this process? I donít see the point. Whatís the point in the doctor? The doctor is beginning to think ... Iím sure Iíve gotďhypochondriacĒ written all over my chart! I went for my knee, and now my knee is not hurting.

ELIAS: What you are creating in these manifestations is an action that you may view in similar manner to the action that you created with your finger.

In this, you are continuing to offer yourself the viewing of these creations, that you may allow yourself to turn your attention, but you have not turned your attention yet, for you have not allowed yourself to be assimilating what I am expressing to you and what you are attempting to be expressing to yourself.

Now; let us view once again in this example. In the moment that you viewed this scenario with your finger, you created no judgment. You were not viewing the choice of cutting your finger as good or bad.

LESLIE: Thatís true.

ELIAS: Therefore, you also did not concern yourself with uncreating, in your terms, the action. You viewed it as merely a choice, recognizing that you also held other choices, but that you are choosing this one choice to be actualized.

In this, what I have expressed to you previously is that as you continue to view the creation of pain as negative, you are creating the judgment, and the point in this is not to be uncreating, so to speak, but to be recognizing that you are creating the judgment of the painfulness, and that you are disliking of this action that you have created, and that you are placing a judgment upon self in this creation, and that you are placing another judgment upon self, that you view yourself to be creating better if you are allowing yourself to be uncreating.

LESLIE: Thatís true.

ELIAS: Now; it is not the creation in itself that holds importance or significance. It is the interplay of the beliefs around the creation Ė how you view what you have created and how you allow that to be influencing your reality.

LESLIE: So as long as I create the pain and as long as I view it as negative and judge myself for my creation, itís going to continue? Yes, no?

ELIAS: In the probabilities that you are creating presently and the movement that you are creating presently, in your attempt to be turning your attention and that this particular type of creation DOES attain your attention, yes.

As to your questioning of why you shall be discontinuing the painfulness as you engage your physician for helpfulness, this also is quite objectively understandable.

You are not creating these actions that they may be fixed, so to speak, by an individual outside of yourself. You are creating these particular manipulations of energy that are creating painfulness for YOUR attention, that YOU may be turning your perception.

In this, you are also not creating this particular action to be fixing it within yourself, for it is not broken. Therefore, what shall the physician fix?

LESLIE: (Laughing) Oh, we play games with ourselves, donít we?

ELIAS: Quite! And this holds your interest and motivates you to continue within the game!

LESLIE: (Laughing) Okay. Thank you much!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: Iím not going to claim to have it down pat yet, but Iím working on it! (Elias chuckles)

I think I have less separation between Margaret and I now. I donít know what it is, but I just donít think about it anymore.

ELIAS: I am acknowledging of this, for I am recognizing that subsequent to our previous discussion, you have allowed yourself to be assimilating some elements of that information and have turned your perception, and are viewing yourself and essence as less separated than you have expressed previously.

LESLIE: At first I tried to get us together, and then I said, forget it! And once I just let it go, it kind of happened. (Elias chuckles) You know, you warned me about it, or ďwarnedĒ isnít the word I mean exactly, but I work things to death, you know? (Elias chuckles) When things are simple, I seem to have a tendency to want to make them way more complicated than they are.

ELIAS: And allow yourself to view in this situation also, thought is not the concentration that creates your reality. You may concentrate within your thoughts for much of your time framework, and this shall not necessarily alter your reality.

Your thoughts are not the expression of energy in concentration that is creating of your reality. What you concentrate upon IS creating your reality, but the concentration is NOT your thought process.

Therefore, without the thought, you have allowed yourself to be affecting of your perception with ease, and not complicating through the action of creating intricate thought processes and analyzation.

LESLIE: So, there is a point to going to the doctor then, because once I go to the doctor, I let it go.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

LESLIE: Yeah, because before the doctor, I concentrate on getting rid of it Ė well, I call it getting rid of it Ė and once I go to the doctor, I donít think about it anymore.

ELIAS: You also are manipulating the energy differently temporarily. This is not to say that you do not create another physical affectingness subsequent to your visit to your physician, but you are recognizing that the visit to the physician is not to be fixing an element that is broken, for there is no element that is broken. You are merely attempting to be gaining your attention to be offering yourself information in another manner.

LESLIE: Cool! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) Is there such a thing as death, as we term death, of an essence?

ELIAS: Are you inquiring as to death of an essence, that it shall cease to exist?



LESLIE: Oh, there isnít? Oh. Well, thatís interesting. Okay.

ELIAS: For essence is consciousness, and consciousness does not cease to exist.

LESLIE: Oh. Thatís little beyond me. Iíll just take your word for it. The answer is no, so....

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: So weíre not gonna go there today! (Laughing)

Do our other focuses, what theyíre doing, experiencing, and feeling, affect us in any way? Like do my other focuses, what theyíre doing, feeling, and experiencing, affect me in my focus here?

ELIAS: At times.

LESLIE: Okay, but for the most part, theyíre doing their thing and Iím doing mine?

ELIAS: Objectively, you are correct, although the energy is influencing.

LESLIE: Oh, okay. Are most of my focuses doing something entirely different? I donít have very many, which is good, but are they all doing something really different?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes. There are some similarities, although generally speaking, they are creating quite different types of experiences.

LESLIE: When I say different, I mean really different! I mean, do I have like one murderer out there, and one high finance, and whatever? You know, REALLY different?

ELIAS: I am understanding ...

LESLIE: Oh, youíre understanding!

ELIAS: ... of what you are expressing.

LESLIE: I forget who Iím talking to! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Yes, you are correct that the experiences that they are creating are quite diverse.

LESLIE: Oh good! Okay, what is my intent in this focus?

ELIAS: I shall offer to you a challenge.

LESLIE: Oh gosh, Elias....

ELIAS: And this shall also provide an example to other individuals presently, as you are engaging now in the objective insertion of this shift in consciousness into your officially accepted reality.

In this challenge, I shall express to you to be viewing the entirety, overall, in your terms, of your focus.

View your movement, view your direction of probabilities, and allow yourself to assess the general direction, so to speak, of what you have created in this focus, and in this assessment, investigate and allow yourself to be assessing what your intent is in this focus, and you may be delivering this information to myself and I shall interact with you in response to your investigation and your assessment.

I offer this challenge to you purposefully, for this shall allow you to be validating of yourself objectively, that you hold the ability to be offering yourself this information and need not be seeking this information outside of yourself.

In this, I shall be a willing partner to be offering you validation, and if need be, to be offering you clarification, but I shall hold in my expression to you that you allow yourself first to be offering yourself this information.

LESLIE: Hmm ... homework!

ELIAS: Ha ha!

LESLIE: (Laughing) Okay, my weekend job Ė Iíve got some strange stuff going on, and I donít understand it exactly. Now, the near accidents: Iíve had three on my way to this job, three very close calls, and yet not. They were almost an accident Ė and very close Ė but werenít. Is that the same thing as the knife thing?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, although slightly different, for this is your offering to yourself [of] a reinforcement to be paying attention.

LESLIE: Yeah, really! But with one of them, a guy ran a red light, and I mean it was very close, and yet I backed up and went around him and on my merry way. Didnít even look at the guy. It never phased me, like nothing happened. I mean, poof! Oh well! And away I went.

ELIAS: Quite. This is your offering to yourself in imagery merely to be paying attention to what you are creating within your reality, and to also allow yourself to be viewing what other individuals are creating in conjunction with you, for this is influencing of your choices. It is not dictating of your choices, but many times it may be influencing of your choices in your reality.

LESLIE: Okay. On the way to my weekend job, I am creating what we term to be panic attacks. Well, theyíre not as bad now, but at the beginning, they were extremely severe. At one point I thought I was gonna pass out; they got that severe. Once I get there Iím fine, and on the way home Iím fine. Itís only from here to there that this happens. Why am I doing this?

ELIAS: There are more than one actions occurring in this particular creation.

One of the actions that is occurring is that you are allowing yourself, within that particular time framework, an expression of self in which you are not holding your attention in any particular specific direction, which allows you an openness to energy.

In this, partially you are allowing yourself to be feeling and accessing energy which is being expressed within this time framework en masse in conjunction with this shift in consciousness, which holds a tremendous intensity and may be translated within your assessment as a feeling of anxiousness.

This also is expressed, within YOUR focus, in another manner. That is one element of what is occurring within those moments. Another element that is occurring moves in conjunction with you individually, and within your expression individually, this is a time framework in which you are expressing to yourself to be paying attention, as I have stated already.

You offer yourself several different types of imagery in this particular time framework, in which you do not attach, so to speak, to any particular action or any particular movement of yourself or interaction with other individuals. Therefore, you allow yourself a communication with self generally, which is expressing to you to be paying attention to Ė as I have stated Ė not merely what you yourself are creating and responding to, but also what is being created by other individuals. This offers you the opportunity to view automatic responses that you are creating, and allows you objectively the ability to be altering your perception.

In this, you gain your attention in expressions that you offer to yourself in extremes. Therefore, you create imagery that shall be affecting of you objectively in extremes, for you shall pay attention if you are viewing any element of your reality in an extreme, be it within an emotional expression or a physical expression bodily or an interaction with other individuals. As the creation is offered in an intensity, you shall pay attention. Therefore, you create a type of feeling in intensity in conjunction with that tapping of energy which I have explained to you, which is a movement of energy associated with this shift in consciousness, and this allows you to be offering yourself information to be paying attention to this movement also.

LESLIE: My absent-mindedness is getting ridiculous. Itís really quite severe. Is it because Iím just not paying attention to the mundane things?

ELIAS: In a manner....

LESLIE: Pardon?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking.

LESLIE: Okay. The panic attacks, as we call them, is that kind of in conjunction with the energy surges? Am I doing that ... Iím not exactly sure what I mean.

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are correct.

LESLIE: Iím creating that too, in replacing the energy? ĎCause Iím not getting the energy surges very much. I mean, not the way I was.

ELIAS: I am understanding, although this type of energy surge, so to speak, or what you identify as a panic attack, is created slightly differently, for this is not merely in conjunction with transition, but also an opening to waves of energy that are in motion in conjunction with this shift in consciousness.

LESLIE: Okay. I looked at a card one evening, a regular card, and when I looked at it, I saw the card, but I also saw energy. The card turned into energy. Geez, sometimes itís really hard to explain what youíre thinking! Did I actually see the energy of the card?


LESLIE: See, that was so cool! (Elias chuckles) I tried to do it with ... okay, but it happened. But I think I totally relaxed when it happened, and I wasnít really thinking. I was just kinda staring at the card. ĎCause I want to do it again. It was neat! Iíve tried to do it with a tree, and Iíve tried with the furniture, and I canít make it happen again. Is it because Iím trying to make it happen?


LESLIE: Okay, okay. That answers that. Anyway, that was cool! (Elias chuckles) Oh, whatís going on with my husband and I now? Things have changed since we last talked. Just briefly; Iím just curious.

ELIAS: And what is your assessment of this situation?

LESLIE: Well, you said it was more probable that we would split up, but you also said in that same statement that it was not necessary.

ELIAS: You are correct.

LESLIE: I have just taken it for granted that the ďnot necessaryĒ was a good idea, and weíve just chosen to stay together.

ELIAS: And you may also recognize that within the creation of probabilities, you HAVE created that outcome of separating already, and you have created another outcome of not separating.

LESLIE: Yeah. I kind of chuckled to myself because I knew I had a choice, you know. Okay, so that answered that question. That was way cool. (Elias chuckles)

Iím in a period right now where I just canít seem to get motivated. Thereís a part of me that if I had gone through with the probability of separation, it would have given me a boot in the butt and gotten me motivated to head out again and do something different. But now that weíve decided to stay together, I canít get motivated. Iím just kind of sitting here, and Iím bored to death, and I donít know whatís wrong. Itís been like three weeks. I canít seem to get it together.

ELIAS: And why shall you not offer to yourself the perception that you may be motivating yourself in the same manner, regardless that you continue to be creating a relationship with this individual?

LESLIE: I donít know. Iím not exactly sure what it is, but Iíll figure it out. Iíll get going again, I always do. But for right now, itís just kind of a lull. Iím uneasy with lulls! (Laughing)

ELIAS: You may view that within this time framework, you have expressed to yourself underlyingly that were you to be not continuing relationship with this individual, you would be offering yourself a new freedom, and that is motivating to you objectively, but you do not allow yourself this same expression as you continue to be interactive in this relationship, and this also is a discounting of self.

You may be examining this belief within you, and you may allow yourself to be offering yourself permission to enact your freedom, regardless that you engage in relationship with another individual.

LESLIE: And you know the other thing Iím vacillating between? Well, you already know. I donít need to say it, but usually thereís a part of me that wants to disengage, I mean on a mental note. I donít know whether I really do or not, but on a mental note, weíll say. And for anybody listening to this, Iím not like depressed and all that stuff.

But thereís a part of me that unless Iím moving forward here, then I just want out of here. I donít want to do this anymore.

I kinda donít want to do it, but then thereís a part of me that just wants to disengage and say,ĒAlright, letís get out of here.Ē And of course, thereís a part of me thatís afraid of that disengagement. As much information as I have, thereís still a fear there.

ELIAS: I express to you, the reason that you experience this in your movement is quite similar to many, many other individuals, in that you continue to view that you are striving in this focus to be better, and in this continual striving to be better Ė and the lack of acceptance that you are already best Ė you create fatigue within yourself, and you assess within your beliefs that as you disengage from this physical dimension, you shall automatically be better.

LESLIE: Thatís true!

ELIAS: Therefore, you shall cut to the chase, so to speak, disengage, and you shall automatically be better!

LESLIE: Well, yeah, when you put it that way.... You know what? Itís a struggle. Youíve been here done this, so you know itís a struggle. (Elias chuckles) I donít say that it has to be, but we make it that way.

ELIAS: Quite!

LESLIE: We create it that way. And somehow, Iíve got it in my mind that when I get finished here, I donít have to struggle anymore.


LESLIE: Oh, donít do that to me, Elias! Donít do that! (Elias chuckles) Now, how do I figure out what part of me is my beliefs, and what part of me Iím taking with me when I get out of here? (Elias chuckles again) Oh yeah, Iím concerned about that! I just hope if I really concentrate ... am I this impatient wherever I am?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes.

LESLIE: Oh really?

ELIAS: For you are you!

LESLIE: Oh. Okay. Well, whoopee-doo. (Laughing)

ELIAS: Therefore, what you are experiencing in this now, you shall also experience in the now in altered circumstances. You may alter or change your circumstances. You may change your imagery. You may change your location, so to speak, in your very physical terms, but you shall continue to be creating what you are creating, for it is what you are creating! (Laughing)

LESLIE: Oh, one of THOSE things! Have I been at this long?

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! This is quite relative, is it not? (Laughing)

LESLIE: Well, I didnít get an answer though!

ELIAS: In which terms shall you be expressing ďlongĒ? For within physical linear terms, in this one particular focus....

LESLIE: Oh, no no no, Elias. Now weíre not talking about that. You know that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha!

LESLIE: No, I meant as an essence.

ELIAS: This is merely a choice of an experience, and ďlongĒ is irrelevant, for it is merely a blink, so to speak. (Chuckling)

LESLIE: Thereís some times I think Iíve been at this forever, and thereís other times I think I havenít done it very long at all!

ELIAS: Ha ha! And in this, you are correct in both assessments.

LESLIE: (Laughing) But you know what? I do have a sense of humor about the whole thing, at least now particularly. I mean, even like the knife thing, I thought that was kind of cool. I mean, so I cut my finger, but it wasnít like ďwhoa!Ē It was like, ďHey, cool!Ē (Elias chuckles)

I realize that when itís all said and done, I get to look at this whole thing as a big picture, and I can even do that now, which is kinda cool. You know, I can look back over my lifetime, and look at it standing back. (Elias chuckles) Thatís kind of cool, to be able to do that!

ELIAS: Quite, and this shall be valuable to you as you assess your intent! (Laughing)

LESLIE: Oh yeah, there we go again! I know you wonít forget that!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

LESLIE: I know you wonít! Iíve got to be careful what I ask you. But some of my intent has gotta have to do with extremes, even if theyíre periodic, so Iím gonna have to check into that. Okay, Iím trying to think. So, do you have any little advice for me today?

ELIAS: Merely to be noticing, and in this, I continue to offer energy to you in encouragement, and I continue to express playfulness with you! (Laughing) We shall continue in our engagement of fun, and I shall continue in my offering of energy in acknowledgment with you. (Chuckling)

LESLIE: Well, I sure do talk to you a lot!

ELIAS: Ha ha!

LESLIE: You know, as much as I would like to say that I believe all of this one hundred percent, you know what? I have to admit, there is that little twinge. Thatís why the question of disengagement that I asked you. Why do we do that? Why canít we just do it a hundred percent? Why do I have to have that little bit of doubt in there?

ELIAS: This offers you the challenge, and offers you an element in remembrance of self, that you hold this information already.

LESLIE: But I trust you better! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ah! And eventually, you shall trust yourself equally! (Chuckling)

LESLIE: Yeah, Iím sure, but for right now, itís you and me! (They both laugh) So, I guess thatís it. I canít think of anything else.

ELIAS: Very well. I offer to you great affection, and I anticipate our next meeting, and we shall continue in fun!

LESLIE: Okay. Thanks a lot.

ELIAS: You are welcome. To you this day in lovingness, au revoir.


Elias departs at 1:04 PM.

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