Thursday, January 20, 2000
“Expansion vs. Becoming”
Participants: Mary (Michael) and Joe (Holden).
Elias arrives at 10:45 AM. (Arrival time is 27 seconds.)
ELIAS: Good morning!
JOE: Good morning! (Elias chuckles) Elias, today, if it’s alright with you, I’d like to ask you for an explanation and perhaps a little bit of a discussion on two models of cosmology.
ELIAS: Very well.
JOE: Okay. One model of cosmology would state, or rather the theory would be, that consciousness did create and is behind the universe that we know, and all universes, but that it is expanding; that basically the individual consciousnesses, essences, personalities – whatever the terminology would be – the individual consciousnesses would basically be probability generators, in that each and every thing that they do would generate probabilities, which in turn would generate future probabilities, which in turn would generate future probabilities, and basically that this would cause an expansion of consciousness.
And then there’s the second one, which quite frankly I’m probably going to write my doctoral thesis around. It has a lot to do with the way you’ve explained things to me in our private sessions, and also in the transcripts. It is more an experiential cosmology, in that everything exists already, and that we simply experience that which we choose to experience within consciousness.
Now, maybe one of these is right and one of these is wrong, or perhaps neither are, or perhaps it’s a combination of the two, and what I would like you to do, if you don’t mind, is to give me your ideas from your vantage point as to what’s what here.
ELIAS: Very well. I shall express to you that in actuality, in a manner of speaking, both are correct, for consciousness IS. And in that statement, I shall also express to you that in a manner of speaking, it is not expanding, for it is already all that is.
In another manner of speaking, you may view in physical terms, within your physical understanding, that it IS expanding, for in relation to probabilities, the probabilities do not lie before you, and in a manner of speaking, do not already exist.
Probabilities are created in the moment. They are chosen to be inserted into physical realities in singular fashion, so to speak. But as to the creation of probabilities, each probability – and all of the other probabilities that are created in conjunction with one probability – are created in the moment. They are not previously in existence, so to speak. But they are actions, not things.
Therefore, in one manner of speaking, as you view the subject matter of probabilities and your physical reality, your physical universe, you may express that your physical reality or your physical universe is expanding, so to speak, as a product, so to speak, of the insertion of the chosen probabilities.
In another manner of speaking, in conjunction with consciousness itself and in relation to the simultaneousness of time, consciousness itself is not expanding, for it already IS. And even within the creation of probabilities in the moment, it is not expanding; it is being explored. For you are not choosing a thing by creating a probability, but you are implementing an action, and in creating an action, you are not “adding to” consciousness, but exploring abilities in consciousness.
Therefore, it IS experiential, and in relation to consciousness itself as all that is – and there being no element outside of consciousness – “itself” is not expanding. This be the reason that I state to you that as essence and as consciousness, you as individuals are what you may term to be within a continuous state of becoming. This becoming is, in physical terms, an expansion of awareness and experience, but not an expansion of what you are.
You may view this to be similar, in quite physical limited terms, to a structure. You may view a physical building containing many, many, many rooms. The building is unchanged and not expanding as you explore all of the rooms of the building. The building already exists and is the structure that it is. But you may allow yourself to move freely throughout the building and explore all of the elements of that building, all of the components, so to speak, and within the building, you may create choices concerning your exploration and your experience in conjunction with that building, but you are not altering the building, so to speak.
Even within the action of creating actual physical things, in a manner of speaking, these also are actions. They are not an expansion, so to speak, of consciousness, as it already is.
They are also not an insertion of probabilities that already exist, in the terms of creating a thing, for as you create any thing or movement within physical realities, you are merely materializing choices of actions.
JOE: Let me ask, just to clarify one thing: Then basically you’re telling me that the potential for any probability exists, although the probability or the choice or the action itself may not have been actualized.
ELIAS: Correct. The potential for all probabilities does exist within consciousness. The actualization and the choice of any probability is created within the moment.
JOE: Okay. (Pause)
ELIAS: You yourselves within this physical dimension are an adequate example of this concept, and as I have stated many times previously, within this physical dimension, you mirror many, many aspects of consciousness in physical forms.
All that you know within consciousness, you also are actualizing in physical form in a type of imagery, so to speak. You hold the knowing of communication and interconnectedness within consciousness. You manifest physical creations that mirror that communication – in your translation of it in this physical dimension – and you create more efficient and speedier, so to speak, manners in which you may be participating in this interconnectedness and communication.
JOE: Well, I’m not that good at it, ‘cause I’m still working on the apple!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Ah! But you participate with your apparatus that you identify as your computer, which is a mirror in physical manifestation of what you know within consciousness.
JOE: See, I think some of the confusion that I have is between the actual terminology of what a probability is, versus an actualization, versus the concept that all probabilities will be explored. Now, if all probabilities will be explored, then at least my way of thinking up to this point was that all probabilities existed. They simply had not been actualized.
ELIAS: No. The potential for all probabilities exists. The probabilities themselves exist within the moment, as they are chosen and as they are created. Probabilities are merely an action, and they move in conjunction with choice.
JOE: Well, let me ask you: In going back to the example of the building, if the building with all of its rooms is truly infinite, is there anything – or is there an awareness within consciousness of anything – beyond, outside of, next to, above, below? And I know I’m using terms that have meaning within this dimension. But basically, is there anything that consciousness is aware of other than itself?
ELIAS: There is no thing outside of consciousness. It is all.
ELIAS: Therefore, there is no element to be explored outside of consciousness, for there is no outside of consciousness. And in this, how may it be expanded, as there is no area outside of it?
JOE: Well, then let me ask you: If there is nothing outside of consciousness, how can it be truly infinite? If there is no potential for expansion of all that is, then how can all that is be truly, in every sense of the term, infinite?
ELIAS: And this is the point, for in truth, it IS infinite. Your definition of infinite is an ever-expanding element, but I am expressing to you that in truth, infinite is ever-ongoing; not expanding, but also boundless. There are no boundaries.
This is the element that may be translatable into your physical understanding, which would be translatable in the concept of expansion, for as you are exploring, you are expanding your awareness, in some terms. You are expanding your physical awareness. You are expanding your objective awareness. Your attention is continuously expanding, and within essence, even within nonphysical areas of consciousness, the attention of an individual essence is continuously expanding, in a manner of speaking, for it is continuously exploring within its awareness.
But as to the actual expansion – in what you may identify as physical terms – of consciousness itself, which is not a physical entity in itself, it does not expand, for it already is and always has been, in your physical terms. In nonphysical terms, the expression of “will always be” or “has always been” are irrelevant, for they are relative to a time framework, and within consciousness outside of physical manifestations, physical dimensions, time is not relevant in the manner that you associate it to be. It is quite relative. It may be moved and molded and manipulated in many different fashions to be accommodating of different expressions of reality.
Time is an element of function that facilitates creations within consciousness to be manifesting certain expressions within consciousness, but outside of the incorporation of physical dimensions, time is not expressed in a manner of a measurable thing, for it also is an action.
JOE: Well, wouldn’t expansion itself, in relative terms, have to incorporate time?
ELIAS: In physical terms, relatively speaking, yes.
JOE: So expansion in, say, an expansive cosmology would simply be within a physical time dimension; would have absolutely, positively no bearing or basically no translation in another type of dimension.
ELIAS: Yes, you are correct. Each physical dimension, each physical manifestation of consciousness, in their construct and their design of reality, is relative to itself, but may not necessarily be translatable into another physical dimension or reality.
In this, you may allow yourself to be recalling information that I have offered in conjunction with questioning offered to myself concerning other dimensions and what you term to be extraterrestrials, for in this subject matter, I have expressed to many individuals: what you may allow yourself to view in this particular physical dimension as what you identify being an extraterrestrial is a translation into the familiarity of your reality. It may not resemble the actual manifestation of another physical dimension at all. It is your translation of energy into forms and expressions that you shall understand objectively and allow yourself to be interactive with.
Therefore, as you view a little squashy guy, in your terms – ha ha ha! – as an extraterrestrial, you may be quite physically interactive with this form, and it may be interactive with you, and what you have created and what you are interactive with IS quite real, but it also is a translation, for the energy pattern or configuration of that other-dimensional focus of consciousness does not translate into your physical reality in the manner that it is expressed in its own reality. In like manner, your physical components, so to speak, of your reality do not translate into other physical manifestations of reality. They also do not translate into nonphysical areas of consciousness. All of the energy which is projected from one area of consciousness to another area of consciousness are translations. They are reconfigurations of energy.
This exchange that you hold with myself presently within this now is a translation. It is a filtration of energy through layers of consciousness that is translated in objective terms to be interactive with you within this physical dimension in a manner that you may understand and that shall be familiar to you in your objective understanding in this physical reality.
There is an incorporation of humor. There is an incorporation of emotion, of intellect, of speech, of movement. All of these elements are familiar to you, for they are all constructs of your physical reality, and this is the area of your attention presently. They are relative to this particular expression of physical reality. They are NOT relative to OTHER areas of consciousness – other physical dimensions or nonphysical expressions of consciousness.
This is also evidenced in your movement within this physical reality. You may not physically translate your body consciousness, in the manner that it is expressed presently, into nonphysical areas of consciousness. It shall not fit. Are you understanding?
JOE: Elias, I’m understanding somewhat. (Elias chuckles) There’s a tremendous amount here that I have to think about. Some of this – although it’s not overwhelming in that respect – I really, really have to think about and process, so to speak, in order to be able to give an intelligent answer as to, “Am I understanding?” Somewhat, but in other areas, no. I mean, these are what we in this physical dimension would describe as deep subjects.
ELIAS: Quite. Be understanding also your frame of reference, so to speak, which is your physical reality and all of the components of it. Within your physical reality, you have created constructs of mathematics and of physical expressions of consciousness, and in this, you create an understanding of yourselves and of your universe and of your reality through physical terms. This be the reason that I express to you within language, but I also am offering information to you that many times becomes quite confusing, for it is outside of your frame of reference.
JOE: And therefore, basically unexplainable.
ELIAS: It is not unexplainable, but it is outside of your familiar frame of reference, in physical terms. In this, I shall also express to you that this is an element of the reason that you have created this shift in consciousness, to be allowing yourself an expansion, in your terms, of your objective physical awareness, which also offers you more of an expansion – once again in your terms – of your ability for manifestation in this physical dimension or realm, so to speak, allowing you more of an opportunity to be exploring WHAT ALREADY IS.
JOE: In other words, or maybe not even in other words, but we are basically constantly striving towards an ability, which is already inherent, to attain the unattainable, and once that’s been attained, we will continue to go onward in this exploration.
ELIAS: I shall respond to this in two manners. In one manner, I shall respond to you in the affirmative, in conjunction with your beliefs. In conjunction with your beliefs, in physical terms, yes, you are continually striving to be attaining.
I shall also respond to you in another manner, in conjunction with consciousness and essence. No, you are not continually striving to be attaining, for you hold the awareness and the knowing that you already hold all that is, and within that, you are creating an infinite exploration and a continual action of becoming.
But even within your physical language as I am presenting it to you now, there are limitations in conjunction with time, for what I am expressing to you in the statement concerning consciousness and essence in its lack of striving is accurate, but within the translation of your physical language, which incorporates an inherent element of time, it becomes inaccurate.
JOE: That I think I understand, at least in part.
ELIAS: Within your physical dimension and within your beliefs, you are creating a reality in which you are continuously striving and you are continuously attempting to be attaining, and this also is what you are addressing to in the action of inserting this shift in consciousness into your officially accepted reality, allowing you the recognition that you already ARE, and therefore it is unnecessary to be striving for, for there is no element that you may attain that you do not already hold. And you need not strive in your becoming, for your assessment of becoming is the creation of some element of your reality which is better. As I express to you the action of becoming, it is merely an exploration and a creation of experience. It is not the movement in attainment.
These are expressions of your beliefs, which are your reality within this physical dimension, and therefore are quite valid. You are offering yourselves information now that allows you to view that there exists more concerning your reality than you have allowed yourself to view within the limitations of your beliefs. But I shall also once again offer the statement now that your beliefs are not bad, and have been quite purposeful in this physical dimension and therefore are not bad now, and shall continue to be a foundational element, so to speak, of this physical reality, for this is the design of this particular physical reality.
JOE: Elias, this transcript is going to go out to several people who are also investigating or have investigated along the same lines that I am, not necessarily with you, but with Seth and others. Is there anything you’d like to add? Am I asking the proper questions?
ELIAS: (Chuckling, and Joe laughs) It is not a question of you not asking the proper questions! Ha ha ha ha!
I shall express to you that these are very difficult concepts within this physical dimension. In this physical dimension, you have created a focus of attention which incorporates a tremendous desire and motivation for exploration – translated into physical terms – and an insatiable curiosity, so to speak, which creates a continuous movement of energy in your exploration, and in the familiar terms of expansion within your physical dimension, you are constantly creating an expansion of your awareness and of your physical abilities.
In this, merely be recognizing that this is relative to this physical dimension. The action of becoming and exploration is what you may term to be a truth, for this is translatable in different expressions throughout all of consciousness, and as I have stated previously, truths are elements that are consistent and may be translated throughout consciousness regardless of the manifestation or the area of consciousness, physical or nonphysical, and in some manner may be relevant or relative to all of consciousness.
Therefore, in conjunction with exploration and becoming, you may identify this to be a truth within consciousness. As to its manifestation and its expression in this physical dimension that you occupy your attention within, your design of it is relative merely to this particular dimension, and in this, you are creating expansion, in your physical terms, but even in expansion physically, you are not expanding consciousness.
JOE: I think I understand a little bit! (Laughing)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha!
JOE: But this isn’t something that I have an ability to grasp. I probably do in essence, but in this focus, I don’t have the ability to grasp it instantaneously. I really have to think about it.
ELIAS: You are correct in this assessment, and I shall express to you also, there are some elements of consciousness that you shall not hold an objective understanding of, for your attention is held within this one area of consciousness and it is designed in the type of awareness that is expressed objectively, and within your objective understanding, there are elements of consciousness that may not be accurately or adequately translated into your objective physical reality.
You may be offering yourself an understanding within conceptualization, which is an inner sense that you hold in this physical dimension. But I shall also express to you that even within the offering of understanding through your inner sense of conceptualization, you shall experience difficulty in translating these experiences or this knowing into your physical language, for you do not incorporate a physical language yet which is adequate to be incorporating a description and objective definition of many elements of consciousness.
This also is a movement of this shift in consciousness, in which you are redefining your terminology and thusly redefining your reality, which shall be helpful to your objective understanding of the reality of consciousness, but it shall not be incorporating ALL of an understanding of consciousness.
JOE: I’ll tell you what has happened recently, probably before and also a great deal during the sessions that I’ve had with you. I’ve developed an intuitive, innate trust in my own essence, realizing at least in part that there is no division, and it has made things a lot easier and a lot more fun, and my understanding seems to expand much faster than it had before.
ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, you are correct that this may be the assessment of the movement that you recognize within objective terms. You shall quite definitely create much less conflict and more of an ease and more of an allowance of your abilities and your expressions, without confusion....
JOE: I’m still trying to ease into this apple! (Elias chuckles and Joe laughs)
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! In your expansion! Ha ha ha!
JOE: Elias, in our last session, you had ... I’m sorry. Was there something else you wanted to say on that subject?
ELIAS: You may continue.
JOE: I didn’t get the dog-gone tape back yet, so I haven’t had a chance to review, but did you not refer to the fact that it takes a certain discipline, and that the discipline is taught, when we were talking about this ability to manifest this apple? Or am I off-base here?
ELIAS: (Chuckling) YOU expressed the concept of discipline, and I have responded to you in expressing to you that within your beliefs, you lean in the direction that you must be incorporating discipline to be manifesting this type of action. I have expressed to you that this is an aspect of your belief systems.
In actuality, you need not objectively be offering yourself any information as to the components or the construct of the manifestation of the apple. Your concentration in physical thoughts is not what shall be creating the physical manifestation, and you also may be manifesting this physical object instantaneously.
It is the limitations of your beliefs that prevent you from the materialization of this object, and I have stated to you, you shall create what you concentrate upon.
Your concentration is not the manifestation of thought process. Your concentration is the expression of what you believe, and in this, your beliefs influence your perception, and your perception is the tool in which you create your reality.
Therefore, as your concentration moves to beliefs that you are limited in your abilities, that is offered in influence and translated to your perception, and your perception shall actualize that belief.
JOE: Okay. I think you’ve answered this quite nicely. The question in my mind was the difference between discipline and effortlessness, but as usual, you’ve covered it quite nicely.
ELIAS: Ha ha! I may express to you that you may be incorporating discipline and you may be objectively concentrating within your thought process and you may create strenuous methods, and this shall also create your payoff, and eventually within your process, you may allow yourself the same product, so to speak. But I express to you also that it is unnecessary. You may accomplish in that manner or you may accomplish instantaneously.
JOE: Well, I’m working on it!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! (Joe cracks up)
JOE: Elias, as always, I want to thank you for this interaction. I really appreciate it.
ELIAS: You are quite welcome, my friend, and I shall be encouraging of you in your continuation of your exploration with your questioning, and I shall offer my expression of energy to you, that you are offering this information in interaction and sharing with other individuals. It shall spark for great debate! Ha ha!
JOE: Indeed it will! (Laughing, and Elias chuckles) I can just about visualize some of it now!
ELIAS: Ha ha ha!
JOE: Thanks again, Elias.
ELIAS: You are very welcome.
JOE: I’ll see you in about two weeks.
ELIAS: I anticipate our continuation in our interaction. To you this day, in great affection, I express adieu.
JOE: Take care.
Elias departs at 11:42 AM.
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