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Sunday, July 16, 2000

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“Sweala and Grelko – Part 2”

“Lending Energy/Expectations”

“Exploring Posterior Creations”

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Margot (Giselle).

Elias arrives at 1:06 PM. (Arrival time is 20 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good morning!

MARGOT: Good morning, Elias! It’s so nice to hear your voice! (Elias chuckles) I’ve got a bunch of stuff here – I don’t get in touch with you unless I’ve got a bunch of stuff!

ELIAS: Very well!

MARGOT: First of all, I have two thank you’s to extend to you today. One is from Leslie/Margaret, who wants me to tell you very sincerely and objectively, thank you!

ELIAS: And you may extend to Margaret my acknowledgment, and that she is quite welcome.

MARGOT: Okay. She’ll be pleased to know that you got the message. She knows you already got the message, but she asked me if I would say it in my session.

ELIAS: Very well.

MARGOT: And the next thank you is from me, because you were so helpful to me this last week when I got into so much mental/shift trauma/confusion/conflict, and I want to thank you especially for directing my attention to a session you had with Joe/Holden in, I believe, January, in which you gave an analogy of a Ferris wheel. (reference session 537, January 06, 2000)

I happened to be transcribing that, and I got such a strong impulse to plow through that session, because somehow I knew that the answer I needed – or the things I needed to know – would be in there, and I did, and they were, and I was able to trade all my hamster wheels in on one big Ferris wheel, and it just turned my life around!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

MARGOT: So I thank you very much for that!

ELIAS: You are very welcome!

MARGOT: Regarding this type of shift imagery that I continue to create, am I correct in feeling that my own personal shift imagery will always come in the form of physical discomfort or dis-ease, or minor irritations, or wondering and worrying about possible physical problems?

ELIAS: I may express to you, Giselle, that this is a choice. Therefore, I shall not say to you an absolute, that you shall always present imagery to yourself in this manner. But I shall express to you that there is tremendous potential for your continuation of creation of imagery in this manner, for it IS quite familiar to you, and you DO allow yourself to pay attention.

MARGOT: I understand, and this isn’t news, but I’m interested in the fact that this is my choice. I’ve thought about this a little bit, that I could switch, so to speak, and experience in another manner or with some other physical thing. But like you say, this is familiar! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Quite!

MARGOT: Maybe I don’t want to create something that I don’t know how to cope with. I know how to cope with this!

ELIAS: You are correct!

MARGOT: Yeah, sometimes I bitch a lot about it, but I do know how to cope with it. Well, I’ll have to think about this some more!

ELIAS: (Laughing) Let me express to you, Giselle, you and many other individuals create this type of imagery and affectingness, for it IS familiar and you DO allow yourself a sense of control in that type of creation.

Now; I shall also express to you that in relation to this type of creation being a choice, and your direction of thought process at times that you may wish to be choosing a different type of expression that may gain your attention, you may motivate yourself to be creating of that type of alteration at the point which you become bored with this type of creation.

MARGOT: I understand, and let me clarify for myself. If I made such a choice, it would be a completely objective choice, so to speak?

ELIAS: Partially; not what you identify as completely.

MARGOT: Yeah, I understand.

ELIAS: But you shall hold an awareness objectively of the choice.

In this, let me also express to you what I am identifying in the action of becoming bored with any creation that you design in a repetitive motion. In this, in the expression of boredom with a particular type of creation, you discontinue the intensity of judgment that you place upon your creation.

Now; let me also express to you, in these types of creations that you engage, you express one aspect of judgment in which you view the creation as undesirable or uncomfortable, and that you are disliking of the creation.

But you also create another judgment that you ARE liking of your creation, for the reason that we have expressed – in your identification with allowing yourself a sense or an association with control.

MARGOT: Yes, I understand. I have an example here that I was going to give you, and this seems to be a good place for it.

One of these minor irritations – a real ha ha when I say minor! – is something that several of us have been talking about lately ... and I’m going to get crude here. It’s something that I call a butt boil. It’s a boil on your rear, and you have to sit on it, and it becomes very painful, and it’s not just me that’s having these periodically, from time to time. These things come, they drain, they go away, and then they come again, and we can’t understand.

I don’t know that these are shift imagery for all of us, or imagery of something that needs to be cleared, but I do have a very strong sense that they have something to do with acceptance, maybe because butt boils are very difficult to accept! Can you say anything that would be educational? (Laughing)

ELIAS: (Chuckling) I may express to you that as I have stated previously, each individual may be creating of what may be expressed as similar manifestations physically, but each individual shall be presenting themselves with the manifestation in their own design and in a manner that they may associate individually with their own imagery.

YOU choose to be creating of this type of manifestation at times in relation to your individual experiences, your frustration with self, and your irritation with some exhibitions of your movement in relation to this shift and this information concerning this shift in consciousness.

At times, as you are experiencing frustration and irritation with certain movements that are occurring within your focus individually, you also create this type of a physical manifestation.

[This is] quite appropriate in relation to how this particular type of manifestation is expressed in jest throughout history!

MARGOT: Okay....

ELIAS: (Chuckling) As you view certain events or actions or movements or creations to be frustrating, irritating, and uncomfortable, you also, in jest, may express that this may be compared to the boil upon the butt of the individual! And in keeping with this type of expression, you also create actual physical manifestations of this type in an outward, objective, physical manifestation of what you are engaging within self.

MARGOT: Right, and so I could kinda say that things that are a pain in the butt to me literally become a pain in the butt!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha! Quite literally, do they not?

MARGOT: Quite literally! (Elias chuckles) Okay, thank you so much for that. I’ll think about that, and I’ll tell everybody that is interested in this that they have to figure it out for themselves!

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha! Very well!

MARGOT: Now, as you know, I had a wonderful visit with my sixteen-year-old granddaughter Jennifer this past week, who is also a focus of mine. It was very exciting! Since I am aware of our connection, even though she is not, I have some things that I would like to ask you to advise me on, let’s say. First of all, I think that she is aligned Sumari, and that she is common. Is this correct? (Pause)

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Now I’d like to know if you can tell me, is she objectively aware at all of the connection between us? (Pause)

ELIAS: Not in the manner that you are aware. She holds an awareness objectively of a connection, so to speak, between yourself and herself, but it is also associated with her identifications of family.

MARGOT: Right, and that’s good. That’s kind of ... well, it’s just good, because it gives it something else. When I first saw her, she was about a month old, and she stared at me with such a strange look every time I came into view that I felt afterwards, when I thought about it, that she knew exactly at that point, when she was a month old, what our relationship was. This is so, isn’t it?


MARGOT: Yeah. She told me the other day that for the past two years, she’s had some serious chest pains and fainting spells that the doctors can’t seem to diagnose. Would this be her shift imagery, or is this something else?

ELIAS: This is being created and manifest in relation to the movement of this shift, yes.

MARGOT: Okay. In her language, so to speak, then I would say that it wasn’t anything to worry about and it would go away, which I did express to her the other night. I can’t recall how I did that, but could I express that in some other way?

ELIAS: This is the manner in which you have chosen to offer the expression, and this is quite adequate. It is correct!

MARGOT: Okay. Okay, now what are the probabilities that she and I will engage future prolonged physical interaction? I have her email address now, and I’d like to know what some of the problems are that you would see with this. I’m sure there are some.

ELIAS: In this, the probabilities are entirely your design. If you wish to be interactive objectively with this individual, you may be creating of that action, and she may be compliant with your choice in this expression.

I am understanding of your reservation to be creating of this type of interaction, and in this, I may express to you, what may be a potential expression – that may be influencing in a manner that you view as not quite so desirable – is that you express within yourself a tremendous desire to be acquiring and assimilating the information that you offer to yourself.


ELIAS: You also generate a tremendous expression of excitement in relation to that movement.


ELIAS: In that excitement, you also lean in the direction of wishing to be sharing that information with other individuals.

MARGOT: Yes, I do!

ELIAS: Now; your motivation in that sharing of information is twofold. One is to be offering helpfulness to other individuals. One is an expression of your excitement, and merely a wish to be sharing the expression of excitement.


ELIAS: Which I may express to you, in the manifestations of emotional qualities and expressions, is quite natural. All of you within your physical dimension express a desire to be sharing emotional expressions, be they what you term to be good or bad.


ELIAS: Your expression or cliché of “misery loves company” may be applied in the reverse also – excitement and joyfulness loves company also!

MARGOT: Right. (Elias chuckles) I understand, so I think the course for me, at least at this point, is to be cool about it.

ELIAS: You may be expressing yourself in genuineness of self. I merely direct your attention to be offering yourself a noticing and a movement of check – to be examining how you are expressing yourself with another individual, and what your motivation is in that expression.

MARGOT: Very good. Thank you. In this line, I just have one more thing I want to ask, and that is, what are the probabilities at this point of Jennifer fragmenting when I disengage?

ELIAS: This is a choice that shall be created within the moment.

MARGOT: Oh, okay. So there isn’t a line of probabilities in operation yet.


MARGOT: Oh, okay. Okay, now when you talked with Howard the last time, you got us so excited! We’ve talked and talked about it, and we even brought Vicki in on it. It has to do with a focus of mine, Frela, and then this good friend of mine, Sweala. So, I’d like to ask you some things about that. (reference session 629, 6/4/00)

You’ve indicated that my focus of Frela lives presently in this physical dimension, but evidently not in this particular reality. Would that be a correct statement?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes; not participating in the officially accepted reality that YOU participate within.

MARGOT: Okay! Okay, that’s good. I like that. Can we assume that within this dimension, there are many more hidden realities similar to the one that Frela and Olzar are in?


MARGOT: Okay. Now, in a session that you had with Castille about a year ago, she asked you about something she’d seen that looked almost like ghosts, and you explained this to her, and I’m thinking that her experience with whatever she saw might very well have been – or is similar to – this reality that Frela and Olzar are in.

ELIAS: I am understanding, and you are in actuality correct.

Castille also – in her manner of movement in relation to this shift in consciousness – presents herself with much imagery concerning her own movement in widening her awareness, and presents herself with experiences that may be confusing within moments, for they are outside of the officially accepted reality that you participate within. In actuality, there are many similarities between your creations and your movement within this shift in consciousness, and Castille’s.

MARGOT: Yes, I’ve felt that in many other aspects, especially the similarity between Castille and I with the asthma/breathing/lung thing.


MARGOT: You indicated to Howard that in this other physical reality, the inhabitants may not appear as we do – I assume this is a correct statement, that this is what you indicated to him – and I would like a little more direct answer. I would like to know if I can assume that Frela does not resemble the physical appearance of my reality, individually.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: (Laughing) Can I get you to go so far as to say ... would I be frightened if I saw her?

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

MARGOT: Okay, alright! I just wanted to know how bad it was! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ah! (Grinning)

MARGOT: Since these individuals are veiled from us – or we have veiled ourselves from them – they could be coming and going all the time among us, and we would have no idea.

ELIAS: You are correct.

MARGOT: Since they inhabit this dimension – I’m not speaking about the reality, but the dimension – do the rules of this dimension apply to them? Are they like emotionally or thought focused, or grouped into families and alignments? Is that the case?


MARGOT: Oh. So they have a whole other set of rules?


MARGOT: So I couldn’t assume that Frela, for example, is Sumafi.


MARGOT: Okay. Now I’d like to move to Sweala and Grelko, because all these years, since I first found out about Sweala, I have felt, because our connection was so close, that she was me; that she was a focus of mine. And also at that time, when I found out about Sweala, we were very much influenced by the channel that we were closely acquainted with at that time, and the group that we were with at that time. I’m very much in need now of wanting to separate the fact from the fiction, so I’m gonna ask you some things that I have believed, and I’d like to find out if a lot of this is my imagination or what.

Something I KNOW that I did – and it was real – is that I did engage a short energy exchange with Sweala in 1989, and that was very, very real. I felt her energy, her tone. Because of that exchange, I’ve always felt that we were pretty much the same, and I’ve always felt very close to her.

It occurs to me that since you and I had a conversation that ended up with you telling me about the essence of Joya, that Sweala is a focus of Joya. Is that so? (Pause)


MARGOT: Ah! I thought I had that one right! It just had to be like that! Okay. Now, the terminology for this would be merged essences, in that they merge for the experience of doing a certain thing?

ELIAS: (Chuckling) Not necessarily for the reason of “doing” any particular “thing,” so to speak ...

MARGOT: Creating?

ELIAS: ... but for the experience.

MARGOT: For the experience, right.

Now, in all the thought exchanges between Sweala and I during the first three or four years after I found out about her, it became quite apparent, I thought, that she and I planned to write a book about the Lemurian colony where she lives. Was this an actual thought transference between us, or is this just my imagination?

ELIAS: This is not what you would term to be a thought transference, but a communication within energy of two individuals.

Now; in this, you each create a similar thought associated with the energy which is exchanged, and in that thought process, which is your translation, you have created a type of motivation to be engaging a specific action. Both individuals create a similar thought process in the action of writing.

MARGOT: What are the probabilities that we’ll actually do that?

ELIAS: This also, Giselle, is your choice!

MARGOT: Well, yeah! Okay, thank you.

ELIAS: Ah! And you are assessing that this is your choice, but you must be in communication with this other individual to be accomplishing this, and this is not necessarily the situation!

MARGOT: It’s not the situation because I am not in close contact with her?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. It is not necessary for you to be creating what you identify as collaboration.


ELIAS: This is not the point.


ELIAS: You have engaged in communication in energy, and in that communication, you have not created a thought transference, but you have created a translation of similar thoughts; which each of you has created a type of motivation, within you each individually, to be creating this action of writing.

Now; the writing that YOU are motivated to be engaging is concerning another culture.

MARGOT: Right.

ELIAS: THAT culture.


ELIAS: The writing that the other individual is motivated to engage is about another culture – YOUR culture.


ELIAS: Therefore, as the writing that you each wish to be engaging concerns another dimensional culture, you also create a translation that there need be a collaboration, and therefore you do not engage, for you assess that this is next to impossible.


ELIAS: Ha ha ha!

MARGOT: Except that I have such a keen sense that the difficulties can be overcome.

ELIAS: And so they may be! The obstacle is not the presentment of collaboration, in a manner of speaking, but merely your allowance of yourself to be offering yourself information concerning the subject matter, and in like manner, for that focus within that dimension to be creating a similar action.

This is not to say that you need be creating a communication with each other. There are many other avenues that you may be offering yourself this type of information, and you also may engage this action of communication between you each directly, if you are so choosing. This is merely requiring of an allowance in playfulness.

Now; another obstacle that you each create is a seriousness concerning the subject matter. Therefore, you create a thickness in energy which creates an obstacle between you each, for you are not allowing for the action of playfulness in exchange.

MARGOT: I understand. Now, at one point, I studied and researched and did everything I could, with the resources that we have in this dimension, this reality, to find out about this place. But what I found out about were the myths, so to speak, and that was all I had access to.

So, I have always said that Sweala and Grelko and Olzar and Frela live in the inner earth, which you have told Howard is not exactly the correct expression. You have said they dwell in air and solid matter. So, I guess I’m just explaining why I’ve lived so long on myth alone, without knowing too much about the actual place. I’m trying to rearrange the way I think about this, and I’m doing okay, so it’s okay!

I am under the impression that Sweala is at least 800 years old. Is this so? (Pause)

ELIAS: In the translation of your linear time framework.

MARGOT: Yeah, that would be case.

ELIAS: Although it is not translated in the same manner within that reality.

MARGOT: Oh, I understand that, yes.

In regard to where they do live, Sweala once showed me her neighborhood, so to speak, and I saw low, one-story dwellings in a sort of Spanish style, with lots of red tile and wrought iron. Was this my imagination, or would this kind of describe it?

ELIAS: It is not your imagination. It is a translation into identifiable terms within your reality.

MARGOT: Okay. I guess I could have come up with that one myself if I’d thought a little more about it.

Okay, now Sweala told me once that if the earth should ever – the outer earth or wherever I dwell – Sweala told me that if the earth ever undergoes a catastrophe of any kind, she and Grelko would meet Howard and I – and she showed me exactly where this place would be – and take us to where they live or to a safe place. I truly believe that this was the thought I got from her.

ELIAS: Correct.

MARGOT: Well, how would that be possible if the realities that we live in are not the same?

ELIAS: Ah, but what is the qualification? Were you to be engaging the so-called destruction of your reality!

MARGOT: Oh! Oh, I understand now. Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome! (Chuckling, and Margot laughs)

MARGOT: Okay. Now, also when you were with Howard the last time – that was a fascinating session you had with Howard! – you explained that when he’s talking to me, it’s a flesh-and-blood me, a real me that ... (here, the tape cuts out briefly) ... and the flesh-and-blood me, and him. And of course, it’s the other way around – I would have my own perception of him, so there’s really six of us. That would be true, if we take it that far?

ELIAS: There would be the manifestation of yourself, and his manifestation of you; the manifestation of himself, and your manifestation of him.

MARGOT: Okay. So, I’ve been wondering ever since then, what about my perception of me? Because it’s like, my perception of me is not the manifested me.

ELIAS: Ah, but it is!

MARGOT: Oh, it is? Oh. Hmm! I’ve gotta think about that a little more then.

Now, if this goes on between Howard and I, who are intimate partners that know each other well ... it seems that this concept applies to everybody that I meet. The same thing is going on with anybody that I’m interacting with. This is the case, isn’t it?


MARGOT: Okay. So I went back finally to the example you gave me of the manipulation of energy I do in order to create a brown cow out of a brown rock, and I think I got that. I think I understand that now.

You will recall that some time ago, we talked to you about a former employee whose name was Isabel, and we were very concerned about her at that time. We are back in contact with her again. She lives in Wisconsin now. Is she still thinking that she might disengage, or has her thinking changed in that regard? (Pause)

ELIAS: There is a fluctuation in this thought process and in creations of probabilities, in what you may term to be a vacillation in creating different choices within different moments.

MARGOT: Okay, I understand that. I think that could have a lot to do with her about-to-be ex-husband, who lives here. I’ve always felt that Isabel is also her essence name. Would that be right? (Pause)


MARGOT: Okay. What is her essence name then? (Pause)

ELIAS: Quite close, in your terms, within physical sound, which may be translated into Isadella.

MARGOT: Oh, that’s cool! Okay, thank you. Would she be Sumafi aligned Ilda, as we are? (Pause)

ELIAS: This individual ... no.

MARGOT: Okay. What is she then?

ELIAS: ... is belonging to the essence family of Milumet.

MARGOT: Oh, cool! Okay, and her alignment?

ELIAS: Alignment within this focus, Zuli.

MARGOT: Oh! Thank you!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. This also is a contributant to the vacillation that this individual experiences.

MARGOT: I understand. That makes that quite clear.

When Isabel left, we acquired a very fine young man by the name of Vince. He’s been with us for about a year-and-a-half now, and we’re very fond of him. Something about Vince has really struck me, and I want to ask you about a connection that there might be, or maybe you could explain why I feel a connection.

His birthday is March 12th, and this is the same birth date as my brother Maland, who was killed in 1970. Although they don’t resemble each other at all, they are very, very much alike in temperament and personality. What is the connection there that I sense so strongly, or what do I sense?

ELIAS: You have participated in other focuses with this individual, and in this focus, you have drawn yourselves to each other for your individual creations of imagery in validation to yourselves.

In this, you have drawn to yourself this imagery of similar expressions of personality – or what you perceive as similar expressions of personality – and the association with same date of birth, so to speak, that you may allow yourself an objective recognition of connectedness, not merely associated with this individual, but also with the individual that you identified as your brother.

MARGOT: Thank you for that. What is his essence name – Vince’s essence name – and the rest of the information? (Elias chuckles, Margot says something inaudible, and Elias chuckles again)

ELIAS: Essence name, Sliplao; S-L-I-P-L-A-O. (sleep’low) Essence family, Sumafi; alignment, Vold; orientation, common.

MARGOT: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

Margot’s note: The tape begins cutting in and out here again. I think I prefaced my request for essence names and family information for my brother Maland and sister-in-law Barbara by saying that they’d been killed in a plane crash in 1970. I then said that I felt they were both common, and that I felt Maland was aligned Ilda, but that I didn’t know the family belonging to, and that I thought Barbara was Ilda aligned Zuli.

ELIAS: The orientation of these two individuals, common; yes, you are correct. The alignment of the male individual, correct in Ilda. Essence family of that individual, Tumold. Essence family of the partner, Sumari; alignment, Gramada. Essence name, first individual, male, Kloanarr; K-L-O-A-N-A-R-R. (clone’are) Second individual, Pinia; P-I-N-I-A. (peen’ya)

Vic’s note: This is interesting, as there was virtually no sound on my tape when Margot asked this question. Usually when this happens, Elias acknowledges the lack of audio, does not answer the question, and will even end the session. And this continues....

Margot’s note: The tape begins cutting in and out here again. I asked a question regarding lending energy, saying that in my former church, there had been a lot of rules about the correct manner of praying, and that I wanted to know if there were any “rules” about lending energy, and if I could lend energy without being asked.

ELIAS: You may lend energy without being asked to be lending energy, yes.

Margot’s note: I have no idea what I said here before his follow-up.

ELIAS: In the lack of expectation and the projection of energy to any other aspect of consciousness, yes, you may be lending energy to any particular expression without the request of another individual or another expression of consciousness, and this is not intrusive in relation to no expectation.

Vic’s note: The next two questions are also completely inaudible. Margot has offered a summation of what she said.

MARGOT: Is merely thinking fondly of someone lending energy to that person?


MARGOT: Okay. Does lending once do the job, or do I need to continue? (This question appeared lengthy)

ELIAS: I am understanding of what you are expressing.

In this, once you have expressed an offering of energy with no expectation, it is projected and may be received.

In this also, as to your expression of, “shall this do the job,” so to speak, I may express to you, what job shall it do, if you are creating an offering of energy with no expectation?

It shall be received and configured in the manner in which the individual chooses to be assimilating it, and it may be applied, so to speak, in the design of another individual, and this is not of your responsibility.

Therefore, in a manner of speaking, figuratively, yes, the energy that you project is “doing the job,” so to speak, once it is projected, for it is configured in the manner that the receiving individual chooses.

As to your question of, “shall you be continuing to be projecting energy,” this is unnecessary, although it may be created, and it may be merely reinforcing to another individual. It is not wasted, so to speak.

Margot’s note: And the tape cuts out again! I told him I’d like to discuss split-aparts in my next session.

ELIAS: Very well! We shall discuss your subject matter, at our next meeting, of your split-aparts.

MARGOT: Thank you so much, Elias!

ELIAS: You are quite welcome. I anticipate our next meeting, and you may offer my greetings to Bosht also. To you this day, Giselle, in great affection and continued encouragement in energy, au revoir.

Elias departs at 2:08 PM.

Vic’s note: I asked Margot if she had any idea why she created this, and she said no. In any case, I find it fascinating that Elias chose to continue with the session anyway.

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