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altered states/projections of consciousness

Elias “gems”

RON: “I did have one question, about the term altered states. This state right here, do you consider it an altered state too?

ELIAS: Dependent upon your perception, yes. This, within my perception, would be considered an altered state, although it is incorporated with ease and holds the same attention, if engaged, as what you think of as your directed attention; for within this area of non-physical focus, there holds a directedness within intent, but not singularly within perception or awareness.

‘Altered states’ is the term used to differentiate between your normally accepted directed attention within your perception, which you interpret as ‘real,’ as opposed to all subjective states of consciousness; which are equally real, but not perceived in this manner. As we continue with engagement with you, we move with the intent to be assisting in your awareness and acceptance of altered states, creating a focus incorporating them as reality, therefore eliminating altered states!” [session 106, July 21, 1996]

ELIAS: “What you view now as altered states are natural to essence. What you experience [in your waking state] is an altered state! It is also part of your confusion; for as you move into more expressed communication with essence, you begin to experience the multidimensionality of essence, which you may feel as an altered state continuously throughout your day. In actuality, this is natural. It has been expressed to you many times that you are much more than you view. You are not one singular entity. There are myriads of aspects of yourself. You are only familiar with one.” [session 150, January 26, 1997]

ELIAS: “I am incorporating of the terminology of ‘projection’ intentionally and quite purposefully, for you associate the terminology of ‘out-of-body experience’ in the reinforcement of the belief that you are you within consciousness, and your physical body is merely a vessel which houses you.

What you ARE accomplishing is a projection of an element of your consciousness into other directions and areas of consciousness, but you are not entirely disassociating yourself with your physical body consciousness.

The terminology of ‘out-of-body’ suggests that you are removing yourself from your physical body consciousness, of which you are not. You are projecting an element of your consciousness into other areas, but you are continuing to be in communication with your physical body consciousness and you are continuing your interaction subjectively with your physical body consciousness. Therefore, you are not outside of your physical body consciousness.” [session 418, July 07, 1999]

ELIAS: “Let me offer to you that there may be defined a distinction between what you term to be an out-of-body experience and a projection of consciousness. For in the action of an actual out-of-body experience, what you are defining in that action is a projection of the subjective awareness and the objective awareness entirely removing from the physical body consciousness.

This action may be engaged by any individual, but it may be engaged temporarily only – if the individual is choosing to be continuing within this physical focus – for the physical body consciousness is requiring of the subjective awareness of the individual to be directing of it and interactive with it for its function.

Therefore, the physical body consciousness shall sustain itself only temporarily without that interaction, but you may be creating that action in temporary time frameworks. But generally speaking, this is not the actual action that individuals engage within this physical dimension, for there is a recognition of the interplay between the body consciousness and the subjective awareness.

Generally speaking, what you create in these types of experiences of which you are referring to [is], you are in actuality allowing an aspect of the subjective awareness to continue to be held in relation to the body consciousness and directing of the body consciousness, and you are allowing your objective and an aspect of the subjective awareness to project from the body consciousness and create more of a mobility within your physical dimension, and at times also within other areas of consciousness.

For the most part, individuals do project their awareness within this physical dimension and not into other physical dimensions or other areas of consciousness, for this is the nature of your attention as you manifest in this physical dimension. Therefore, it is understandable that you shall project your awareness and explore other areas or avenues of experience in relation to this physical dimension.” [session 746, December 22, 2000]

Elias “gems”

VICKI: “My question is for Shynla [Cathy]. (1) She wants to make sure she understands correctly that in this simultaneous time ...

ELIAS: (Laughing) Much conflict with simultaneous time!

VICKI: ... that she may connect in our sessions, for example, at any time.

ELIAS: This is correct. Let me also offer, for Shynla [Cathy], as my intent for this evening was to also involve this subject, that you incorporate within physical focus very physical views of your nature, and of time and space. Within your consciousness, you respond and react and act just as a particle acts upon a sub-atomic level. In this, your scientists are not quite sure what these particles are doing, so to speak, but I will express to you that they are communicating; and the way that they communicate is through space. They appear to disappear and reappear within what you view to be your space. Their communication is expressed during their time, so to speak, that they have disappeared. They have not disappeared! They have moved through space.

You move around space. You have created physical space, in which you move around. You move around your planet, in space. You incorporate a flying carriage, and you move around in space to a destination, as did Shynla [Cathy]. Your consciousness is quite understanding of the inefficiency of this method. Therefore, your consciousness projects through space. Therefore, as you project your consciousness to Shynla [Cathy], or Shynla [Cathy] projects consciousness to you, it does not travel around your planet, through time, in space. It projects without time, through space, through dimensions, as you view them, and incorporates instantaneously. There is no time! There is no space! It is a perception of your creation for the forum of your experience. (Pause, during which you can hear many sighs)

Therefore, each of you may be connecting, and may ‘turn your channel’ slightly, to incorporate her frequency, for it is present; and if you are acknowledging of this, you may experience this presence. I do! You may assure Shynla [Cathy], time nor space is of any consequence!” [session 66, January 14, 1996]

ELIAS: “You, within your consciousness, occupy almost half of your existence physically within an altered state, in your terms; but you do not understand the significance or the action that occurs within any altered state of consciousness. In actuality, there are no altered states of consciousness. They are only different actions within consciousness that are absolutely natural to you; one being your sleep state.

Your dream activity presently is foreign to you. Those individuals that interact within the dream state and hold conscious awareness, and are remembering of the interaction within waking state, believe that they are accomplished within this state of consciousness. Presently, even individuals who are quite adept at dream movement do not understand the action and events that occur within this state of consciousness. Within the action of your shift, you will understand. You will allow yourselves consciously the ability that you hold presently, but are unaware of, to manipulate and move consciously through this state also.” [session 130, October 28, 1996]

CELIA: “You were referring, in your speaking tonight, to objective and subjective. Is objective interchangeable with conscious, and subjective interchangeable or meaning the same as intuitive?

ELIAS: Your objective consciousness would be likened to and encompassing of your waking state; that which you designate as your conscious awareness. Your subjective consciousness is that element of consciousness which encompasses all other states; all states that you term to be altered states, your dream state also, meditative states, hypnotic states. Any altered state of consciousness, in your terms, would be encompassed within your subjective activity. This also will be designated as what you presently think of as your unconscious element of yourself, although it is not unconscious!” [session 140, December 15, 1996]

ELIAS: “You shall be experiencing much subjective bleed-through information into objective reality. In this, let me express that the definition I offer for subjective activity would be all of that type of consciousness which is not waking consciousness. This would be including all altered states, in your terminology, all other focuses, all dream imagery, all of which you consider to be removed or subconscious. Many individuals within their belief systems also attribute this to being super-consciousness or cosmic consciousness. They are all the same. They are subjective awareness, which is the larger aspect of you as essence. This holds tremendous information and also imagery.

In this, within this particular dimension you have been extremely selective in your manifestation, limiting your awareness to only objective awareness, allowing for slight amounts of subjective bleed-through. Within the action of this shift, you have opened the floodgates and allowed the subjective awareness to rush into objective awareness. Therefore, within your waking state, within your consciousness that you recognize as you and that you are aware of, you may experience many different types of occurrences. Some individuals within your present now encounter what they term to be aliens. These are focuses of their essence. Some individuals experience what they term to be ‘walk-ins.’ (2) These are exchanges of focuses of other dimensions. They are reality. Some individuals experience bleed-throughs of information and imagery of focuses within this dimension, that which you classify as past lives.

Individuals may be experiencing alterations in imagery within their waking, everyday experience. Objects within their experience may alter. You may view a chair, and it may be become another object, and it may return to a chair. You may experience many altered states of consciousness spontaneously, without effort, not intentionally. You may experience increase in projection or out-of-body experiences. These are all natural, normal elements of essence which you are allowing yourself to objectively become aware of.

Within this action you also encounter many of your held belief systems, for these are blocking elements. Therefore, they surface to be addressed, that they may be accepted and your awareness may be widened in these areas; for within the accomplishment of your shift globally, there is no place for the non-acceptance of these belief systems. This is not an elimination of belief systems! It is an acceptance in awareness of their existence and a neutralization of their power.” [session 183, June 15, 1997]

BOB: “Elias, in our Christian cultures, the character of Satan or the devil is very strong and powerful. To what extent is that an actualized, realized character, as opposed to someone we’ve created through our belief systems?

ELIAS: There is no entity or essence which may be classified as evil, for there is no evil. Within your belief systems and within your physical manifestations and your forgetfulness, you create fear. Within your creations of fear, you objectify this at times quite effectively! You may in actuality materialize and animate a reality of a form which may be manipulated physically. This is a projection of your own energy. This also shall be suggesting to you, contrarily, of your tremendous magnificence in your creative ability! (Grinning, and we all laugh) Within physical focus, you may actually physically project an emotion and allow this physical form that may manipulate freely, although you are directing of this movement. Quite effective! You may also be creating of what you objectify as angels, for they also are projections.

BOB: As opposed to actual entities?

ELIAS: Quite! There is no – underline once again – NO separation within consciousness. There is NO higher plane. There are no planes! There is no distinction. You do not hold masters, for you are masters! There is no greater or lesser entity or essence or consciousness, for all of consciousness is consciousness, and there is no differentiation or distinction, other than its choice in differences of energy manifestation.” [session 186, June 22, 1997]

PAUL: “I was talking to Michael [Mary], before our session and yesterday, about another concept in this dream mission area perhaps, about a man named Robert Monroe and this concept that he offers of a ‘rote.’ R-O-T-E. Michael [Mary] was talking about this ball of energy as being offered, and being able to get a thought ball of ideas that you could acquire in the dream state or altered state, take it with you back to full objective awareness, run it like a video tape or open it like a computer file at your leisure, and in a controlled fashion have that information available. Would you comment on that type of idea? It’s rather new to me!

ELIAS: The word is one individual’s interpretation and word for this action. In actuality, you may choose any word for identification, but the action is correct. It is a reality, and it shall benefit you each nicely within your offering of clues to yourselves in the context of your dream mission. You are beginning to move more quickly presently, once again. There has been movement continuously, but at certain time periods you accelerate your movement, and then you offer yourselves your respite temporarily; this being another accelerated time framework. Therefore, you shall be accessing more information presently and moving more swiftly within the addressing of belief systems and actions, and also within the connection of objective and subjective consciousness and reality and the lack of separation within them.

You may be continuing in this direction of accessing this information from other areas of consciousness and allowing yourself an identification that other essences and information are not so far removed from you as you believe them to be, and you do hold the ability to be connecting and in contact objectively with other essences and be exchanging with other essences. You hold belief systems that you have held for much of your time framework that these actions are not possible. You may go to a seance and you may speak with your deceased grandparent through the facilitation of a medium, but you do not believe that you may step sideways and access another essence within another area of consciousness without creating an energy exchange and be accessing information in the same manner that you access information from each other within physical focus. Therefore, you create ‘methods,’ but these methods draw you closer into a realization that you do hold the ability to access other areas of consciousness and other essences at will. This action is another element of reality, another availability of accessing through consciousness energy and information and essence, not necessarily your own essence.” [session 224, October 01, 1997]

GAIL: “I have a question. What does that picture have in connection with me? I don’t understand it. I don’t even know who it is, but we seem very connected for some reason. (Indicating a painting that has been hanging on the wall since the sessions began)

ELIAS: The picture is of what you would term to be a famous composer – Johann Sebastian Bach. (Grinning) This being a reminder of a connection with music and your ability, as many others’ ability, to connect with altered states of consciousness through the facilitation of music.” [session 229, October 19, 1997]

PAUL: “I have an energy center question. Since October, you have given information about Dream Walker interaction based on the nine families. I’m wondering, in my own lucid dreaming experiences, I’ve recently become aware of this area (forehead) and this area (top of head) with different actions, and I’m wondering about the connection to this type of ... energy exchange probably isn’t the right term because it’s just Paul here doing his lucid dreaming adventures. But I’m wondering ... it’s become consistent that I project out of this area (forehead), and I’m wondering what the relationship of that energy center is to that type of action? Recently I had one where I shot out this way (top of head), and it was a very different action to this one (forehead.)

ELIAS: These are related to belief systems. You hold mass belief systems in the area of what you term to be chakras. This be the reason that I do not speak of these, but of the actual energy centers. Their actions are not entirely in alignment with your belief systems concerning them, but the belief systems concerning those energy centers which are located within your head and the top of your head are concerning of what you THINK of as spirituality. Therefore, you allow yourself a focus upon these areas as a focal point, allowing yourself the lack of conflict between accomplishing an action and the belief systems of these particular energy centers.

In actuality, these energy centers are not necessarily more facilitating of an action connecting within what you term to be altered states, or accessing information or accessing dimensionally. It is merely your own allowance within the accepted belief systems to be focusing upon these particular energy centers, and you allow yourself expanded experiences.

PAUL: So it’s personal imagery for me as opposed to a more, I guess, universal action.

ELIAS: Correct. You may accomplish the same action connecting with your red energy center, but you do not hold the belief systems that allow you the ability to create this action. Therefore, you facilitate yourself in compliance with your belief systems.” [session 264, February 01, 1998]

MICHAEL: “Well, first I wanted to ask, who’s bad? (10-second pause)

ELIAS: Clarify. (Vic’s hint: a singular glove. Ducking and running!)

MICHAEL: An entity that was attached to me.

ELIAS: Which is your terminology for this.

MICHAEL: Yes. (10-second pause)

ELIAS: Let me explain the situation of projection and its connection and influence with belief systems.

Many individuals hold very strong belief systems which hold their origins within religious belief systems. Individuals may not align themselves with religious belief systems objectively or to their way of thinking, but you are entrenched within a culture that holds very strong religious belief systems, and also your planet has held very strong religious belief systems in many different manners throughout most of your history. In this, the mass belief systems hold much energy and are very influencing and affecting of the individuals.

Now; in this, individuals have come to believe that many of these concepts or ideas which are set forth by these religious belief systems are true, or hold truthfulness.

Let me explain to you that within this physical dimension, this physical manifestation, truths exist, but they are far removed from what you believe within your belief systems to be true. (3)

Therefore, this be the preface to that which I shall explain to you presently, in answer to your question of what you believe to be an entity.

Now; within projection of energy, all individuals within your dimension hold the ability to be projecting energy. You project energy continuously throughout your focus. At times you also separate fearfulness from you and project this fearfulness outward and may be creating of an actual entity which holds existence, but the confusion lies in the holding to belief systems which have been accepted into your reality and therefore express to you that this is an entity, so to speak, which attaches itself to you from outside of yourself.

I shall express to you that you are a manifestation, a focus of essence. You manifest within this particular dimension as a focus of essence which holds its attention in one area, which is you. You are also all of essence. Essence is much greater than the one manifestation within a physical focus, although each physical focus holds all of essence within it.

I preface this, that you may understand as I express to you that essences are not intrusive and essence is not hurtful. But the focus of essence, which there are countless focuses of, each of these focuses of essence holds their own identity, their own variation of tone which is encompassed by the whole of essence, and each focus creates their own intent, their own direction, their own intentions in actions and creations of probabilities, and their own choice and free will. Each focus holds its own creativity and holds the ability to be creating of whatever they are choosing.

In this, as there is much energy lent within the creation of mass belief systems, it lends energy to the individual to be creating of certain situations more easily than if they were to be creating outside of the mass belief systems. These belief systems lend an ease to your creations within them.

Each focus of essence holds unlimited energy. There is no limit to the energy that you possess, that you may access, and that you may manipulate. Therefore, you hold tremendous ability at your little fingertips (wiggling his fingers) within your creativity.

Throughout your history, many individuals have created the choice of separating in energy those emotional qualities of energy which create fearfulness. In this action, they separate out all of the aspects of fearfulness within their emotional qualities of self, and in this separation of that particular energy, they also create a projection of that specific energy. These projections have been accomplished in many different manners. At times, they hold such great strength that they may manifest into actual entities, as you perceive them to be. You may even project another individual that may physically, solidly stand before you that you may view as an apparition or an appearance of some cosmic essence or evil energy, but in actuality what has occurred is that the individual has chosen to be separating their own fearful energy and projecting this outwardly, separating self and all other qualities from this one aspect of physical experience, and in this create the projection, which appears to be another entity, which may be in fact quite menacing, for it is a projection of your own fearfulness. And you are pushing away, expressing to this element of fearfulness, ‘I wish not to hold with you. You may separate yourself from me, and I shall continue without you.’ But what is not understood objectively within physical focus, for you are so very influenced by the belief systems that are held, is that in projecting this type of energy, it menaces you more than would it in continuing to hold it, for you assign more power in energy to it as you allow it to separate from you.

The mass belief systems throughout your history express this to be possession, visitations by demons or evil spirits, confused essences wandering. Many different reasonings are assigned to this action. Many rituals have been performed to be exorcising these types of projections. The reason that some – not many, but some – of these so-called exorcisms accomplish their specific goal is that the individual holds a very strong belief system that this shall be accomplishing, and accepts what they believe to be helpfulness from another individual. In actuality, what is occurring in this process is that the individual being affected is subjectively creating a new agreement to reclaim their own fearfulness and to discontinue their projection of this fearfulness, and therefore it shall not be OUTWARDLY menacing to them any longer.

Let me also express to you in this – [and to] individuals that create this type of projection, such as yourself, for this is what you have accomplished – no essence is menacing you. No demon comes to bother you, for there are no demons. But what you may learn presently in this situation is that this is an element of your own energy that you may welcome to yourself, recognizing that this, although holding fearfulness, is an aspect of yourself, and all aspects of yourself within physical focus are all of those elements that serve to create within your reality what you are. Therefore, no aspect of yourself shall be rejected or denied, for it has been created purposefully to serve you and benefit you.

Let me also express to you, there is an awareness within this essence [of Elias] of this fearfulness that you hold, which has been held for much time period. But also, you attempt to be denying of this, for although you hold the expression objectively of self in gentleness and the camouflage which is projected outwardly to your world in this manner, you also hold the fearfulness of the lack of acceptance of other individuals in this area. You camouflage this fearfulness by expressing that you are strong within your gentleness, and that you are hardened to those aspects that you view to be hurtful. But there are no secrets within essence, and therefore I may view that this is a camouflage, and beneath this camouflage there is a timidness and a fearfulness of what you view to be outside of yourself, and in this you hold to another belief system of protection.

Let me express to you, there is no element that may be hurtful to you that you do agree to accept, and it is unnecessary to hold to protection; for what shall penetrate your energy field if you are not accepting of it and if you are not in agreement in allowing of this? Hold to these words, for these are affecting of many areas within your particular focus presently, and have been pastly. (Pause)

Be remembering that not only do you hold unlimited energy, but also that you hold the ability and the power within you to be protective of yourself without being protective, and within this protection, you separate and you close off. You hold very tightly to your own energy field. In this, as it would be normally or naturally quite expansive around you, it is held quite narrowly to you. This holding of your energy field becomes quite exhausting. It also becomes quite dense and thick, and creates a situation that is preventive of other individuals objectively penetrating.

Therefore, you create a conflict. You wish to be interconnected. You wish to be objectively within closeness to other individuals, but you hold to your energy very tightly, and they may not penetrate. You may loose your hold upon your energy, and in this you may also find that that which you desire may more easily flow to you, and you shall draw yourself to it, and you shall allow yourself the recognition of your own true strength within self – that energy bubbles projected from other individuals may bounce and pop off of your energy field and not penetrate. It holds tremendous strength in itself. You create almost the opposite in action to what your desire wishes as you hold to this energy. Are you understanding? (4)


ELIAS: May you also allow yourself to draw upon energy lent by other individuals that you hold an objective trustfulness with and immerse yourself in this temporarily, which shall be offering you validation of self and building within yourself the recognition that you are worthy.

I have expressed previously to other individuals that it is quite acceptable temporarily to draw upon the energy of other individuals or the strength, so to speak, of other individuals. If you do not view yourself to be holding the ability to be accepting of self initially, allow yourself to accept the acceptance of other individuals of yourself, and in this it shall affirm to you that you are worthy, and you shall allow yourself to be accepting of self. If you are not accepting of self, you create a tremendous thickness within your focus and you also create blockings within your focus, which creates confusion and conflict. And the point be to be eliminating conflict, for it is unnecessary, is it not?” (Chuckling) [session 285, June 11, 1998]

MALE: “I have a question. To recognize focuses in this focus, is it a matter of cellular access to DNA, a hundred trillion cells in a DNA strand, which hold all of our memory of all of our essences in all of our lives?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. Let me express to you that I have offered this information previously also. Your DNA is a choice. You choose to be connecting with and creating of specific elements of your DNA.

Now; let me also express to you that within your physical manifestation of your DNA, you hold physical aspects. You also hold genetic encoding which does hold memory of all of your focuses within this dimension. It does not hold all of the information of all of your focuses within ALL physical dimensions, but those that are particular to THIS physical dimension, for the creation of your DNA strands is relative to this particular dimension. Not all physical dimensions manifest a similar type of manifestation as do you with your DNA.

I have expressed much information previously as to the action and the encoding of your DNA and RNA, which you may be accessing if you are so choosing.

MALE: Then through that, through feeding the DNA through RNA, will I be able to find out where Lemuria is pre-Atlantis?

ELIAS: Ah! We move into a different direction! Let me express to you that these elements ARE in actuality reality and ARE manifest presently, but they are not manifest within this particular dimension. They occupy a parallel dimension to this dimension. Therefore, you may access this information and you may also project yourself into the actual area and physical location and you may be interactive in the actual focuses of these areas, but you shall not access this through what you term to be your cellular memory within DNA. You may access this information and these focuses by allowing yourself to be stepping sideways within consciousness and moving yourself outside of this particular dimension into the parallel dimension. This is not as difficult as it appears! You THINK within your thought process that this holds impossibility, but your dimensions occupy the same space arrangement. Therefore, the space arrangement that you view presently within your physical objective waking awareness is also occupied by other physical dimensions superimposed upon each other. It is not quite so difficult to step yourself sideways and move directly into the experience of these other areas within parallel dimensions. (To Jen) I have expressed to our young Sumafis exercises to be accessing other dimensions in moving sideways, have I not?

JEN: Yeah.

ELIAS: You need not move forward or backward. You need not access other time frameworks. You need be merely stepping yourself sideways within a relaxation of self and an allowance, in like manner to your out-of-body experiences. Be trustful within self.

(Intently) The ONLY barrier that holds individuals is their own fearfulness to be stepping aside. You hold very tightly to your objective awareness. You hold very tightly to the singularity of your attention. THIS is your attention! This (slams his fist on the table) objective awareness, your physical manifestations, THIS holds your attention. This occupies all of your reality. This is but one grain of sand of all of your reality, and all of your reality is accessible to you. You merely hold the belief systems that you may not move into these other realities.

This be the action of this shift in consciousness; not to be traveling in and around space in your crafts, traveling to other planet[s] where you shall find no thing but barrenness, but to be traveling THROUGH space, in which you shall find wonders, for all that you seek exists within these dimensions through space. In the very space that you sit in this present now stands other focuses of your own essence within other dimensions.

MALE: When you say ‘you,’ do you mean individual or collective consciousness?

ELIAS: Both.

MALE: When I’m talking to you right now, do you mean this individual or the collective consciousness of this room?

ELIAS: You individually, although this applies also to all of these individuals, but I am speaking to you. Allow yourself to be accessing this exercise which has been offered – and Margarite, you may be offering this to this welcomed essence – and you may be practicing with different exercises and allowing yourself the ability to move through areas of consciousness. It has been done, and you may continue the practice also, and I am quite encouraging of this action. You may also access Michael [Mary] for the exercise in clarity (5), which is quite helpful in manipulating through consciousness.” [session 298, July 16, 1998]

BOBBI: “I have several questions here about some experiences I’ve had in the last few months, and I’d like to start out with one that deals with some questions that both Vicki and I have regarding our projection exercises. I’ve written up a question and she has also, so I’m going to just read them consecutively, although we do pretty much ask the same general question, if that’s okay.

ELIAS: Very well.

BOBBI: My question is:

In our projections, we seem to get all different kinds of imagery. Although my intent is to get very objective information, that doesn’t always happen. Many times the imagery we get is confusing, or simply not what is objectively at the location we’re projecting to. We’ve come to understand some of the subjective connections we’re making, but what are the other influencing factors here? Also, in the past several weeks we’ve had imagery of very delayed or no response from the person we have projected to.

Vicki’s question is:

I have been practicing the snap projection exercise on a regular basis for over six months now, which has been an interesting experience, albeit confusing at times! So, I have some questions.

Initially, I found myself moving in the direction of my expectations, which were mostly based on other people’s accounts of OOBs. These expectations were in the area of being able to connect with objective reality in a very specific manner. For example, I know folks who can project to somebody’s house, and their experience is no different than if they were there physically. So, when I began connecting with specific objective imagery that exists in the present now, I assumed this was the direction I was going in. But after a period of time, I began to connect with other time frameworks or other experiences or other focuses of the individuals involved. Sometimes I don’t have a clue what I’m connecting with! So, I seem to be moving away from the direction of my expectation rather than towards it. This is Bobbi’s experience too, and we’re both curious about it.

In this, I’ve wondered about your choice of terminology in the snap exercise. You used the term ‘projection’ rather than ‘out-of-body experience,’ which I assume is purposeful. So, I’m wondering if my expectations are connected to the beliefs surrounding OOBs, and if so, then how is it that other folks create these expectations?

ELIAS: Very well. You are questioning your experiences in these exercises that you are engaging in allowing yourselves to be projecting within consciousness.

Now; in this, you address to a thought process and expectations of this type of action and its deviation in actuality from those expectations and thought processes, and you are questioning the experiences themselves and what you are incorporating within these experiences.

I express to you in your questioning, Jale [Bobbi], you are inquiring as to the differences of the objective reality and the presentment of variations in this objective reality within your experience of projecting, and questioning what you are presenting to yourself in these experiences and how this may be correlated to your waking objective experiences, in expecting that your projection shall be the same, but experiencing these differences.

I express to you that in some situations, dependent upon your motivation and your DESIRE – which would be a key word in these situations – you shall be creating different types of experiences. Some individuals may be projecting in the manner that they shall move within their projection in very like manner to objective waking movement throughout your objective day, so to speak, and their experience within their projection shall appear the same. Some individuals project and do not create these types of experiences. Some individuals deviate from this type of experience quite extremely. Some individuals merely allow an alteration in some areas.

Now; I express to you that you offer yourself, in this type of experience of projection, a great freedom of movement that you do not necessarily offer yourself within your everyday, mundane experiences in your objective waking state.

Within your objective waking state – that which is most familiar to you – you have set quite solidly into your reality many limitations and you confine yourself to very specific allowances of movements.

In incorporating experiences such as projections, you relax your focus and allow yourself to incorporate much more movement. Therefore, you allow yourself the ability to be projecting to another physical location and experiencing that physical location simultaneous to your existence and awareness of existence within a different location, the location that you originate your projection from. This in itself is an expansion of your reality and an allowance of a lessening of your own limitations within your reality.

Now; in certain situations, individuals create merely projecting to another physical location and viewing that physical location in the manner that it is objectively created physically, that you all agree upon. Therefore, you may also physically, objectively, within your waking state, visit that particular location and view the same situation, the same objects, the same placement of physical matter as you have viewed within your projection. But you do not necessarily always create this type of projection, based upon your motivation, which is influenced by your desire.

In this, yourself and Lawrence [Vicki] engage this exercise and this playfulness of projecting through consciousness, but underlyingly, you hold a desire of an expanded awareness which you are attempting to be incorporating into your objective waking state, and within this desire, you are also engaging other activities of consciousness, such as projections, to be objectively allowing yourselves to be expanding your awareness in objective terms, for these projections are quite created objectively.

In this, as your desire is to be expanding your awareness, you are also incorporating that into your exercises of projections and not limiting yourselves to the same activity that you may create within your objective waking state, which is quite understandable, for what shall be the point? You may physically move about and physically, objectively, within your waking state, investigate these other locations. You need not be projecting within consciousness to be accomplishing this action! But in the action that you incorporate, you are allowing yourselves to relax your focus and drop some of your veils that you hold objectively and allow yourself to pierce through different areas of consciousness, incorporating a more expansive experience.

As to Lawrence’s [Vicki’s] questioning, you are correct. I am incorporating of the terminology of ‘projection’ intentionally and quite purposefully, for you associate the terminology of ‘out-of-body experience’ in the reinforcement of the belief that you are you within consciousness, and your physical body is merely a vessel which houses you.

What you ARE accomplishing is a projection of an element of your consciousness into other directions and areas of consciousness, but you are not entirely disassociating yourself with your physical body consciousness.

The terminology of ‘out-of-body’ suggests that you are removing yourself from your physical body consciousness, of which you are not. You are projecting an element of your consciousness into other areas, but you are continuing to be in communication with your physical body consciousness and you are continuing your interaction subjectively with your physical body consciousness. Therefore, you are not outside of your physical body consciousness.

A more accurate description of an out-of-body experience would be that experience of unconsciousness, in your terms – your terminology of being unconscious, so to speak, as opposed to the state of coma, in your terms – for within this state, so to speak, of unconsciousness, you ARE removing your subjective interaction with your body consciousness, and therefore you may be stating that you are creating an out-of-body experience. You are divorcing yourself from the interaction of your physical body consciousness. (6)

Michael [Mary] is creating an out-of-body experience presently (7), but this is not the objective that you seek in your experiences within your exercise. You are creating a projection in consciousness, continuing to be in communication with your body consciousness and directing its functioning, holding an element of awareness of your presence in conjunction with your physical state, so to speak, and its objective presence and awareness, and simultaneously allowing yourself also to be projecting another element of your consciousness into other areas.

In this, I express to you, there is a difference.

If you are experiencing physical sensation within the time framework that you are projecting within consciousness, you shall respond to your physical sensation. Your functioning continues, and you are aware of your physical functioning. Shall your heart rate alter, you shall hold an awareness of this objectively. Shall you physically experience the sensation to be eliminating what you term to be waste matter within the time framework that you are projecting, you shall respond to this physical sensation, for you continue to hold an awareness of your physical objective presence and your interaction with it.

In this situation, the difference shall be that the body functioning may continue within an individual that is creating an actual out-of-body experience, but they shall not hold an objective awareness of that function.

BOBBI: I understand.

ELIAS: Therefore, as to the distinction of choice of terminology, you are correct that I am purposefully choosing to be incorporating the terminology of ‘projection’ and not ‘out-of-body experience,’ although you may be creating of this experience also within any moment that you so choose.

As to the incorporation of other focuses or other time frameworks, this would also be incorporated in the explanation of your desire and your motivation in your widening of awareness, and Lawrence [Vicki] may be remembering that within very close time framework, as I offered this exercise of snapping into a projection, I have also offered information that this may be incorporated in conjunction with accessing experiences and participations and information concerning other focuses within this dimension and other dimensions. This information was offered to the young Sumafis.

BOBBI: Oh yes! We’ve used it, we feel, successfully to those ends also, exploring usual focuses and other-dimensional focuses. I think what our questions stem from is that it seemed the impressions we were getting were sort of unpredictable. We would feel like we had an intent to visit somewhere in an objective way, and sometimes we would get information on other focuses or sometimes it would be other time frames, and I think that was what was confusing, because it seemed like the information could go a number of different ways, and we don’t know what’s influencing – why one time we would get what seemed like very objective information, and the next time we would get something on another time frame of that location, and another time we might get something on another focus of that individual, and that’s the confusing element.

ELIAS: Quite, but I express to you that you are creating quite efficiently in this manner, allowing yourselves the diversity of the benefit of your widening of awareness and not limiting yourselves to one particular area, but allowing yourselves to be incorporating information from many different angles.

Also, this type of action, in the manner that you are incorporating it and creating your involvement with it, moves in very similar direction to your dream mission, in which you allow yourselves to be connecting to the most beneficial information in whichever expression shall be most closely related to what you are creating and experiencing in that time framework objectively.

In this, your projections and your dream mission move in very similar directions and offer you very similar types of information and imagery, and although you continue to view both of these types of imagery to be somewhat disconnected or fragmented from your objective waking imagery, I express to you that within the simplicity of terms, they are not as far removed as you THINK they are.

BOBBI: Okay, thank you. I can see then that probably our underlying intent with this exercise is a widening of awareness, which is what lends to the diversity, the variety of experiences we’re getting.

ELIAS: Quite.

BOBBI: So, I was gonna say, ‘How can we fine-tune this more?’ but maybe that’s not the point?

ELIAS: Quite. You are allowing yourselves to view your abilities and the mobility and freedom that you may experience within this. Therefore, you would be quite defeating of your point in what you term to be fine-tuning, but this is also your automatic response and your familiar direction, to be reining in your experience into familiar areas and exercising what you believe to be control within the situation as opposed to allowing yourselves to move freely within whichever experiences you present yourselves with.

You view your direction of these experiences and your control of these experiences as being better and being more accomplished, for this is the familiar area of movement to you. Therefore, you justify this magnating to the area of control in expressing to yourself that you are accomplishing more efficiently if you may be directing in the manner that you specifically choose, but you ARE specifically choosing to be widening your awareness within your desire, and you are specifically following that desire in creating your objective imagery in these experiences. It is merely unfamiliar to you to be letting loose of those reins and not holding so very tightly to your energy and not directing it in limitations.

BOBBI: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.” [session 418, July 07, 1999]

KATIE: “Okay, back to this business with [my friend] Tom. He has told me that there is what he calls a ‘light-body’ that is with me all of the time, and that it is an extension of himself that acts independently of him on occasion, and I feel this light-body around me a lot. He’s also told me that there’s a light-body of mine that is around him all of the time, and he is able to see it, feel it, hear it, I mean everything, objectively. I’m curious about what this light-body thing is.

ELIAS: This is a translation in the designation of terms, in a manner of speaking. It is a creation of term to be offering an explanation or an identification of an aspect of self.

As I have stated many times, there are countless you’s of you.

Now; in this, as a whole, so to speak, there is a tremendous interconnectedness, and therefore none of the elements, none of the you’s, in a manner of speaking, move not in conjunction with any of the other you’s of you. These are all of the aspects of you within one focus. This is not the entirety of essence. This is merely the manifestation of one focus and all of the aspects that are associated with that one focus. In this, you may be manipulating energy within your focus to be directing of very many aspects of you in very many different directions.

Now; the action of this is quite similar to the action that you accept as occurring within nonphysical areas of consciousness.

You look to myself as an essence within nonphysical areas of consciousness and you accept the concept that I may be interactive and present in many, many, many different areas and situations simultaneously. This is not difficult for you to conceptualize. You do not entirely assess this concept as a reality or hold an entire understanding of this, but you accept this concept and you do not question its reality.

In like manner, you within physical focus are continuously creating the same type of action, but you do not think in these terms. You think of yourself as being a singular entity. Therefore, you also think to yourselves – and believe – that if you are projecting through consciousness, you are projecting yourself – that you identify as you, this singular entity – away from the physical vessel of your body into other areas, but you do not view yourself as projecting into many, many, many areas simultaneously and interacting in all of these areas and situations simultaneously, for you are directing your attention singularly. But in actuality, your reality moves quite similarly within physical focus as it moves within nonphysical focus. In this, you are merely focusing your attention singularly. Therefore, you view yourself as one singular entity and all of your projections as one singular entity.

Now; in this, it is quite common that individuals may be projecting energy in the manner of an aspect of themself, of their focus, to be interactive with another individual and not hold their directed attention within that aspect, for as I have spoken previously, you direct your attention in singular manner. Therefore, you create what we term to be a primary aspect. This is the aspect that you recognize as you, which you recognize as creating of your emotional qualities, your thought processes, your movements objectively, subjectively, and within all of your reality. This is your primary aspect. This is not to say that all of your other aspects are not equally involved and active within your focus. They merely do not hold your primary attention, your focus of attention.

Therefore, within your focus, you may be projecting many different aspects of yourself in many different directions, and you may, dependent upon the amount of attention you turn to any one of those aspects, hold an awareness of their interactions, of their movements, of their creations, and you may express to yourself and to other individuals that they seem to be creating independently of you at certain times. In actuality, in one respect you may express that they are creating independently, for each aspect holds the ability to be creating of its individual choices, but in another respect it is not independent, for it is intimately interconnected and IT IS YOU.

In this, I have expressed previously the analogy, in comparison to the idea, of different aspects of one focus to be different aspects of YOU, which are you and may not be separated from you, but hold different qualities. I have expressed at times that you may view these different aspects of you in like manner to different emotions that you express. All of these different emotions that you identify are all you. They are all expressions of you and may not be separated from you, but they are all different expressions of you and are not necessarily primarily expressed simultaneously objectively. You do not express anger and joyfulness simultaneously objectively. You choose one or another. Therefore you create a primary expression in like manner to the primary aspect, which is your primary attention and direction of your focus.

You may also liken these different aspects of self in comparison to all of the molecules and all of the cells that make up your physical form, your physical body. All of your physical cells are an element of you. They all move in cooperation with each other to be the expression which creates the projection of your physical form. One may not be removed from your physical form and be projected as you singularly, but one may be removed from you and it shall hold all of the encoding of you. It may not be identified as another individual or belonging to another individual, for it holds your signature. In like manner, all of the aspects of you hold your energy signature. They are all you.

Therefore, in this, the terminology of ‘light-body’ is merely your physical identification of an aspect of self, and I express to you that he is correct in his identification of his recognition of the projection of one aspect of self that may hold physical presence with you each.

KATIE: Okay. Some of the interactions have been of a more intimate nature. I’ve asked Tom about this a number of times too. Sometimes he tells me it’s simply the way the energy translates within me. Other times he makes it clear that yes, he’s there, objectively aware, and that is his intention, and then other times he’s told me that it’s not him at all, but a projection of my own energy made to feel like him. Are all of these true at different times? (Pause)


KATIE: Okay. How can I tell when it’s my own projection?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, you may identify your manifestations of certain expressions by – once again – their energy signature. You may identify this energy signature through different methods, so to speak ... as you are so very fond of methods!

In this, within the moment that you are experiencing certain expressions of energy, you may assess to yourself, in exploration, what YOU are engaging within your focus within that particular time framework. At times, you may be creating of an energy expression yourself and you may be identifying it in other terms, as this may be comforting to you and this may offer you a quietness and a feeling of acceptance, which you within your focus recognize in that moment that you may be needing of, in a manner of speaking ... for in actuality, there is no thing that you are needing of, but within your perception in physical terms, you DO perceive that you hold needs at times.

In this, as you project energy and identify it in other terms, as not the expression of self, you may recognize that it is or is not your creation of your own expression by examining the elements of your focus within that immediate time framework, for you shall project to you the fulfillment of your needs immediately. You shall respond to you in whatever manner is efficient to yourself in accomplishing of fulfilling the direction that you are attending to in an immediate manner.

Therefore, at times, you may be experiencing a connection of energy in any certain type of expression, and it may appear to you to be expressed within a time framework that is unexpected, so to speak. It seems in your objective awareness to be completely unrelated to your creations objectively, and it may appear to you objectively to not be consistent with your creations within the moment.

Now, be remembering that in this investigation of this type, you need be also examining quite intricately your creations within your focus, for some of your creations are underlying and may not appear quite as obvious objectively as other creations. But in these situations that I have just expressed, it shall be easy for you to identify that the energy expression may be a projection from another individual.

Whereas within your expressions of energy to yourself, initially, objectively, it may appear in the same manner, but as you begin to assess the creation and evaluate the creations within your objective expressions within that time framework in relation to many different directions, you may offer yourself the identification that the expression may be in that moment an expression offered to you by self to be reinforcing or validating or comforting to you, and it shall choose the most efficient manner to be comforting to you, and in this, if you are experiencing the feeling of affinity with respect to another individual, you may choose this type of expression to offer to yourself, recognizing your own willingness to accept those types of expressions from another individual more readily than you may accept the nurturing from self.

KATIE: Okay. That makes it a lot clearer. Let me ask you this. Has the majority of the time been my own projection? (Pause)

ELIAS: More of the expressions are expressions from self than actual projections from this other individual, and this is also quite common and another indication that you may look to.

Other individuals do not necessarily project expressions of self to another individual objectively very often. This is a less frequent action which occurs, even within quite interconnected individuals. They are not projecting objective expressions to each other continuously or in what you may term to be often expressions.

KATIE: Okay. But there was this type of exchange and projection going on prior to us meeting objectively, wasn’t there?

ELIAS: Correct. Now in this also, as you DO hold these expressions of energy projections of aspects of self in relation to each other, which holds presence with each other, this may also be translated into these types of experiences, for the aspect which is projected to you may lend an element of its energy signature to be reinforcing of your expression of energy to yourself, and in this, you may at times hold a slight confusion in identifying the expression of self and the expression projected by this individual. There may appear to be an element that feels like this individual, in your terms. This is continued to be an expression of self. It is merely being lent a reinforcement by that aspect which connects itself with you within your physical proximity.” [session 428, July 20, 1999]

JEREMY: “When I created my world of [comic book] stories and characters, was I doing so based on a connection with any of my other focuses or subjective experiences along other lines, and if so, can you cite a few examples? (Pause)

ELIAS: You do incorporate into your creativity elements of connections with other focuses within this dimension and within other-dimensional focuses, although these are all translations into your understanding and your energy and your creative expression within this particular focus.

Now; in this, you have drawn upon energy from several other focuses, one other-dimensional focus in particular which lends energy to you within your creativity, which in your translation in physical objective terms may appear to you as a watery creature, holding no form in actuality – no consistent creation of form – but which may appear to be a watery type of being, which its energy lends to you, in your translation, the ability of changeability within your creative expression.

You also draw from several focuses within this dimension which translate slightly differently into your creative expression, but one focus holds the position of a warrior, and in this lends an element of what you objectively translate into your creativity as strength.

Another focus which lends energy to you in translation into your creativity is a female peasant, which offers to you what you translate to be an earthy interconnectedness, an....

JEREMY: A female what?

ELIAS: Peasant.

This is an identification of the interconnectedness of individuals and all of your planet, allowing you the ability to be manipulating of your environment, so to speak, which also translates into your creativity.

JEREMY: Okay. What happens to things we create, like with characters? Are they merely thought-forms, being extensions of ourselves? Or do they ... CAN they move on and become more?

ELIAS: This is dependent upon your choices and how you are manipulating energy.

Now; in this, let us view what you in physical focus term to be artistic expressions, in the area of musical composition and of painting expressions. These are two obvious examples within your physical creations that you may view certain qualities of the expressions.

Now; in this, some expressions, within either musical compositions or expressions of illustrations or paintings, may appear to be merely an expression of the individual and hold the energy signature of that individual, but they appear or seem to not extend any farther, so to speak; this is figuratively speaking.

In other terms, you may encounter other types of musical compositions or illustrated or painted compositions, and they appear quite differently. They appear not merely to hold the energy signature of the individual that has created them, but they also seem to hold an energy of their own, as if they have been created into an entity of their own.

Now; the reason that you connect with this recognition of these types of expressions is that the composition does hold the energy signature of the individual that has created it, but what it also may hold is an aspect of that individual focus which has been allowed to be projected outwardly and has been allowed to continue independently of the focus.

This is a similar action to fragmentation, but in very physical, figurative terms, a much, much smaller scale.

This would be likened to any individual, any focus, any essence projecting an aspect of itself into any other element within its physical creation – a creature, a plant, a rock. It matters not. You hold the ability within essence to be projecting an aspect of essence or of a particular focus into any of these elements to be experiencing the creations of that element of your reality, such as a creature or any vegetation, an ocean, a mountain, a rock. It matters not.

In similar manner, you may project an aspect of yourself into one of your creations or all of your creations or several of your creations, and in this, not merely you shall recognize that this creation appears to take on, so to speak, a life of its own, in your terms, but other individuals shall recognize this quality also, for you have allowed yourself to project an aspect of yourself into your physical creation, therefore breathing into it its own manifestation, allowing it to be continuing within its own element, so to speak, within its own right, in a manner of speaking. Are you understanding?


ELIAS: Therefore, this be your choice of how you shall be creating within your creativity and what you shall project within it. Appear it not strange to you that certain individuals may be deemed as great masters and they shall be revered for their creations and their creations shall be enduring throughout your linear physical time, and other individuals may be creating and their expressions of creativity do not hold this quality? This is the reason.” [session 430, July 21, 1999]

NATHAN: “Another question is the use of psychedelics, mushrooms. I had an experience on the 28th of May where I was at a gathering of people around a fire, and I happened to walk away from the fire and I threw in a Frisbee, and the mushrooms quote/unquote ‘kicked in.’ I was walking back to the fire and I noticed that the light came from the middle and went right up. When the people were happy and there was laughter and the drumming was moving, the light was there, but as soon as it stopped, the light went away. I’m moving in the direction of, how can I anchor that light and keep that light going?

ELIAS: Why shall you move in the direction of attempting to be confining energy? You view elements within your reality and you become excited, and you view the wondrousness of expressions within a moment and your inclination is to be holding to that experience and that expression of energy, and in your belief systems, you hold a thought process that if you may be holding to that energy, you shall perpetuate the expression, but this is not what you create!

I express to you that in actuality, the reverse occurs. If you are not attempting to be holding to energy, if you are allowing the free flow of expression and allowing yourself objectively to be open and noticing of all of the energy that is in motion, you may be allowing yourself also to be objectively participating with that energy and viewing and experiencing continuously, but as you hold to that energy and attempt to be confining it, you also dissipate it.

NATHAN: I see. I guess what I noticed that night was how the energy ... especially this summer, I guess I’ve been noticing the patterns of the energy and how it moves, and I guess I have to move into the direction that it’s okay that the light isn’t always gonna be there, and I guess part of that is knowing that the light is always there but it’s a different form of light, and I have to be open to that and not placing judgment upon it.

ELIAS: There! THIS is what I am expressing to you. It is not that the energy is not continuously present. It is that you merely allow yourselves to participate with it – or OBJECTIVELY participate with it – and notice it within certain moments.

Now; the reason that you objectively view and experience this within certain moments is that you are collectively generating the expression of the manifestation of energy in this manner. I have expressed many times previously, collectively you may be creating many, many wondrous expressions together that you may experience more difficulty in creating individually. This is not to say that you may not be creating all of this individually, but collectively you lend energy to each other and you create a concentration of energy in volume, and this creates more of an ease to be creating of any element that you are so choosing within your physical dimension.

These expressions of energy are created within many forms. Therefore, as you allow yourself to objectively view energy, notice all of the movement, not merely certain expressions. Let me offer you a slight example.

Within the metaphysical belief systems, the expression of white is what you identify as the expression of light. Therefore, you equate the color of white with the expression of light, and in this, you identify light as good.

Now; I express to you that energy is merely energy and is continuously within motion and is always expressed in many, many different manners ... and not always within the expression of the color of white! It may be expressed throughout your color spectrum, and you may allow yourself the engagement of your color spectrum and you may surprise yourself at what you shall be experiencing moving THROUGH the energy of these particular vibrational qualities.

NATHAN: Hmm. Okay. Going back to the light again, that night I also experienced something else. I had to leave the surroundings because I was just so off balance, and I thought I should have been anchoring the light, but then I was going off in my own thoughts that were creating negativity, and then I thought I was contributing to the ‘darkness’ – the quote/unquote darkness.

I went back to my van that night and I noticed that the birds seemed to be speaking to me, and they would affirm it through however they were chirping. I let myself go, and then I found myself in a circle holding hands with men with long beards and long white coats, very long. They were wearing white and they were just swirling in light. I’m wondering if these men that I stood in the circle with holding hands ... the message that was coming to me was, it’s all connected. That’s all I could get was those three words – it’s all connected, it’s all connected.

And I didn’t know if something actually happened that night globally, that there was some sort of major shift that happened that night, but I was wondering if you have any clues as to who these men were. Are these the white brotherhood that I’ve heard of, or was this something that I was creating for myself to show myself something?

ELIAS: I shall express to you that this is a projection of energy that you have created in objective imagery to yourself of many different aspects of yourself, but the message that is being offered is the interconnectedness of all of your reality.

I shall also express to you a validation that your confirming element of your creatures and your interaction is not your imagination, and this is an actual occurrence that you have allowed yourself to be participating within.

Therefore, I validate to you that this is reality and not what may be interpreted by other individuals as a manifestation of hallucination. It is not. This IS reality, and you have merely allowed yourself to open your awareness to participate in another avenue of your reality.

NATHAN: Are the mushrooms the placebo? Are the mushrooms really ... I understand like when I ingest them, I instantly connect with my higher self. I feel like my thoughts are clear. I feel like the connection with everything, with nature and with the totality of myself. I feel that connection, and I know that I can feel that way without them. What is it that stops me from getting to that point?

ELIAS: Let me express to you, you are correct. You may be creating this same action without the engagement of this particular substance, and you may also be creating it with the engagement of the substance.

I shall first of all address to you that within the engagement of ANY element that you identify as any particular substance within this dimension, most of what you shall experience is motivated and influenced by what you believe. The actual innate quality which is expressed through the consciousness of the substance itself – which is its function intrinsic to itself in ALL of these different substances – is that it shall create a thickness of energy which shall be affecting of your perception. This is the ONLY action that is innately intrinsic to the substance itself.

Beyond this, what occurs or what is created in conjunction with the ingesting of ANY type of substance upon your planet is directly influenced by the individual’s belief systems and their allowance of certain affectingnesses.

Therefore, some individuals may be incorporating substances and they may be experiencing what they term to be very negative elements and they place very strong judgments and belief systems upon these areas. Other individuals may allow themselves an opening to their awareness. It is very much an expression of the individual and what they shall allow within their individual experience. It is not the substance itself which is creating specific responses.

Therefore, you hold the ability in the incorporation of any substance to be directing your experience within that. This be the reason that I have expressed to many individuals that many of these substances may be incorporated within quite pleasurable experiences. It is merely your belief systems that dictate differently to you.

I express to you that the incorporation of any of these actions is not right or wrong. It merely is a choice of experience. You hold the ability to be directing that experience, be it the incorporation of your term of mushrooms, or be it fermented incorporated elements in your alcohols, or your different incorporations of plants that you may be interactive with ... even within your synthetic creations of what you in physical focus term to be your synthetic drugs. You hold very strong belief systems that they shall be incorporating certain actions, certain responses within you that are beyond your control. They shall be affecting of you in certain manners that you view negatively.

I express to you, this is all the dictates of your belief systems. You may incorporate any of these actions pleasurably and you may be manipulating your energy to be directed in whichever manner you are so choosing. Therefore, if you are choosing to incorporate ANY of these elements into your reality and [to be] incorporating them as a facilitating action to widen your awareness or open to your different elements of consciousness, you may be engaging that action, and quite efficiently and quite realistically.

I hold no judgment upon any of these incorporations of what you choose to be engaging in your physical focus. YOU have all created all of this for YOUR incorporation.

NATHAN: Which leads me to the next one. In ingesting nothing – fasting – I guess fasting is another way to achieve maybe the same feelings or experiences that you would when you are ingesting some sort of psychedelic. Is there any information that you can give me on fasting?

ELIAS: I shall express to you that within limited time frameworks, this shall incorporate no adverse affectingness of your physical form. Your physical body holds a tremendous ability to be functioning within this dimension regardless of what you are incorporating in actions with it.

To a point, you may be disengaging any action of sustaining your physical body. Beyond certain points, your physical body consciousness shall be responsive, for you have created a physical reality which functions within certain guidelines and your physical body consciousness is in agreement to those guidelines. Therefore, you shall incorporate a point in this type of action in which your physical form shall be responsive to you and shall be communicating different messages, so to speak, to you to be incorporating different actions if you are so choosing to be continuing within physical focus, but this also incorporates a very large, extensive time framework prior to your body consciousness responding.

In this, once again, you may be incorporating very similar actions in fasting as you shall incorporate in the engagement of substances.

NATHAN: Is it actually the body vibrating at a higher frequency? Is it that the physicalness is actually vibrating at a higher frequency? (Pause)

ELIAS: No, but I shall express to you that in the incorporation of lessening your intake of foodstuffs, so to speak, you do temporarily create the reverse action as to the incorporation of different substances. The substances create a thickness within energy which is altering of perception. The lack of incorporating any type of substance or aspects of foodstuffs or what you term to be nourishment to your physical body form is creating a temporary affectingness of a thinning of energy. Both of these actions essentially create the same opportunity. They are merely different movements of energy, but they create the same type of opportunity to be directing your energy in different manners, and they are both influenced by your belief systems. In one direction, you attribute negative belief systems. In the other direction, you attribute positive belief systems. But you may be incorporating the same action in both directions.” [session 454, August 24, 1999]

PAUL: “Elias, I have a question about what you stated as an ‘energy fleck’ in the relationship of Rose as an energy personality essence with birds, which are not an energy personality essence.

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: There’s a relationship between Rose and birds that you call an energy fleck. Is that unique to Rose, or do all of our essences hold similar energy fleck relationships with all of consciousness in this dimension?

ELIAS: It is dependent upon the choices of the individual essences.

All essences hold this quality and ability to be projecting these energy flecks, in a manner of speaking, to any element of consciousness. All essences may not choose to be creating that type of action, in like manner to, all essences do not choose to be participating and engaging in certain or all physical dimensions within consciousness. Some essences choose to be creating an exploration within physical dimensions, and some do not. One expression is not better than another expression. They are merely different choices. They are different directions of attention.

Therefore, manifestation into physical dimensions is not lower or worse than manifestations within nonphysical areas of consciousness, and as we have stated many times, you do not occupy a higher plane merely that you choose as essence not to be participating within physical dimensions. They are merely different experiences.

Now; in this, I express this terminology, that you may not become confused in associating with the terminology of aspects, for we have spoken of aspects of essence frequently and much, and in this, you have created an association with that terminology, and you may become confused in the word[s] of ‘a projection of aspects of essence into a creature,’ as I have also stated to you that you do NOT manifest as essence into the form of a creature.

This may be confusing if we are incorporating the terminology of aspects, and in this, it is not an energy concentration of an aspect. An aspect of an essence or of a focus of essence holds a greater energy concentration than would a fleck of energy which is projected by essence into the movement of consciousness in the manifestation of a creature or any element within your physical dimension.

PAUL: So it’s another type of expression of essence, but you differentiate by intensity. It’s a projection versus an actual aspect or a focus of attention?

ELIAS: There are other distinctions. It is not merely intensity. It is not merely an intensity in volume of energy, although these are qualities of the energy which is projected. But also, an aspect of essence shall express personality and the energy signature of the essence or of the focuses of attention of essence.

These flecks of energy may be expressed similarly, within your physical terms, in relation to a small word [i.e fleck] that you create in your language. Each word that you create within your language is verbalized, so to speak, and that is a physical projection of energy. It is an actual configuration of energy, but it is not necessarily an entire expression of you. It is a projection of an element of energy of you, but it is also expressed, figuratively speaking, outwardly from you, and is allowed to be projected and to merely fly free, so to speak.

PAUL: So these energy flecks of Rose as manifest in birds, this is not a unique relationship of Rose to birds or an exclusive relationship of the essence of Rose, ’cause there are other essences that can project energy flecks to birds also.

ELIAS: Correct.

This be the reason that I specify that this is an identification that you allow yourselves within THIS forum, for within this forum and within the context of this information that we have offered to you, there is an identification of this one particular essence of Rose – that is associated as a representative of this family of Borledim – which is not a participant in the family of Borledim.

It is not an essence which is belonging to the family of Borledim. It is merely a representative in this forum of that essence family that allows you an objective association and understanding of that particular essence family, and offers an expression that translates in objective energy that you may understand in conjunction with the family of Borledim.

But you are correct. Any essence may create this type of action, and many essences DO create this type of action. You have been offered increments of information previously by the essence of Seth, which has offered you information also of this type of action; not to the extent of this essence of Rose, which chooses to be projecting these flecks to ALL of the manifestations of this particular species upon your planet, but the action is the same.

PAUL: One final question: so this relationship of Rose is within the context of this forum, and it belongs to the Sumafi family?

ELIAS: Correct.

PAUL: Are there ... the other essences that help with the energy exchange that belong to the Sumafi family, but represent, in similar fashion to Rose representing Borledim, the intent the other eight families, are there other essences who have energy fleck signatures that have manifest that we’re aware of, or is this unique to Rose?

ELIAS: Not within this same type of expression. This one essence chooses to be projecting these energy flecks, as I have stated, into the physical manifestations of all of the birds within this particular physical dimension. Within the representation of the essences which facilitate this phenomenon and this exchange, the other essences do not choose to be creating this same type of projection. This is not to say that they do not participate in some projections of these energy flecks, but not in an intensity and consistency of one particular manifestation of species.

PAUL: Thank you.

ELIAS: You are quite welcome.” [session 502, November 11, 1999]

FRANK: “Okay, I have two questions. Number one, how do I go about investigating these focuses, and number two, how do I benefit from doing that?

ELIAS: First of all, you may be allowing yourself to view other focuses that you participate within through relaxation methods, so to speak. You may also allow yourself to be interactive with other focuses through the action of projection or through dream interaction.

FRANK: Which do you think would work best for me? (Pause)

ELIAS: You may be allowing yourself more of an ease through dream interaction or through the action of meditation. You may experience more of a challenge in your attempt presently to be projecting, and allowing yourself to be viewing other focuses in that manner.

FRANK: I’m not sure I understand what you mean by projection. Can you define that?

ELIAS: Projection is the action of allowing aspects of your consciousness to be moving freely; not in association with your body consciousness.

Now; projection allows you the involvement, so to speak, of both objective and subjective awarenesses.

It is what many individuals within your physical focus presently identify as out-of-body experiences, although I may express to you that I identify a distinction between a projection of consciousness and what you may actually identify as an out-of-body experience.

For an element of your consciousness continues to be focused and interactive with the body consciousness within the action of projection. In a manner of speaking figuratively, you divide your awareness and allow an element of your consciousness to be continuing in interaction with your body consciousness subjectively, but you also allow yourself an element of your consciousness, subjectively and objectively, to be moving freely through consciousness, moving through the barriers, so to speak, of time, space, and even at times dimensions.

An actual out-of-body experience is the removal of your subjective awareness and its interaction with the body consciousness. Therefore, the body consciousness is, in a manner of speaking, left to be functioning temporarily without interactiveness or instruction from the subjective awareness.

In this, the action of an out-of-body experience may be engaged for much less time framework than a projection of consciousness, for there is, in effect, within your physical dimension, a necessity for instruction and interaction between the subjective awareness and the body consciousness to be continuing the functioning of the physical body.

Therefore, in projection, you allow yourself to move your consciousness, subjectively and objectively, in part, so to speak, away from your physical body consciousness, and without the encumbering of the physical matter of body expression, you may allow yourself more of a freedom of movement.

Now; let me express to you, this also is an influence of your belief systems, for in actuality, you may allow yourself this same type of movement WITH the incorporation of your physical body. But as you do not believe that you may move through time or space arrangements dimensionally incorporating the physical body expression, you do not allow yourself the freedom of that type of movement.

Whereas you DO allow yourself this type of movement in the design of what you create as what may be identified as an ‘astral body.’ This also is a creation that you have engaged as a means to be continuing with your identification of self as you move through consciousness.

Are you understanding?


ELIAS: In this, you may incorporate presently slightly more of a challenge in engaging that type of activity than you shall in engaging a meditation or your dream state to be investigating of other focuses.

As you engage a meditation, allow yourself a relaxation process, so to speak, but also offer yourself a directedness in that relaxation. In a manner of speaking, offer yourself the direction through a suggestion, but do not push with your energy, for as you force your energy, you also create an obstacle. Therefore, in offering yourself a direction through a suggestion, you may direct your energy more efficiently to be accessing certain focuses that you wish to be investigating of.

Within your dream state, you may incorporate either a suggestion prior to your entering of sleep state, or you may be accessing your dream trigger within your dream state as a portal, and once you have accessed your portal, you may direct your attention specifically to another focus of your essence. Or, you may also be engaging the expression within dream state of the Gates of Horn, so to speak, which also may activate a type of portal, so to speak, within consciousness, and allow you an ease in movement into the accessing of another focus.

FRANK: What is the Gates of Horn?

ELIAS: This is an expression which may be incorporated within consciousness. It is a type of trigger, so to speak.

In creating this expression within dream state, and also even at times prior to your sleep state, what you are activating, so to speak, is not necessarily an actual place, but a call, so to speak, to essence within consciousness.

It is a call to yourself, figuratively speaking, which creates a type of trigger that allows you to be moving spontaneously into other areas of consciousness, and specifically directing your movement into your objective, in a manner of speaking. This creates – once again, figuratively speaking – a type of direct pathway to other areas of consciousness that you wish to be accessing, through your energy of essence.

FRANK: Can I do this by suggestion, or how do I do this?

ELIAS: You may allow yourself to be offering the suggestion merely [by] expressing these words, so to speak, before entering your sleep state, or you may be expressing these words within your dream state.

FRANK: Saying the words is a suggestion that I want to access this?

ELIAS: Correct. Within your dream state, or even within your waking state prior to your engagement of sleep state, you may merely express the words of ‘the Gates of Horn,’ and this automatically creates the suggestion and creates a trigger, so to speak.” [session 674, August 04, 2000]

FRANK: “... maybe eight or nine years ago, I was on a business trip, and I was out on the west coast in a hotel room, and I woke up in the middle of the night and felt like ... actually, like I was out of my body, like my consciousness was like flying around the room backwards, okay? And this went on for a few seconds, and then I guess I realized what was happening, and then it sort of ended. The question I have for you is, what was happening there? Was that an out-of-body experience, or what exactly was that?

ELIAS: Yes. This is what may be termed as a projection.

Let me offer to you that there may be defined a distinction between what you term to be an out-of-body experience and a projection of consciousness. For in the action of an actual out-of-body experience, what you are defining in that action is a projection of the subjective awareness and the objective awareness entirely removing from the physical body consciousness.

This action may be engaged by any individual, but it may be engaged temporarily only – if the individual is choosing to be continuing within this physical focus – for the physical body consciousness is requiring of the subjective awareness of the individual to be directing of it and interactive with it for its function.

Therefore, the physical body consciousness shall sustain itself only temporarily without that interaction, but you may be creating that action in temporary time frameworks. But generally speaking, this is not the actual action that individuals engage within this physical dimension, for there is a recognition of the interplay between the body consciousness and the subjective awareness.

Generally speaking, what you create in these types of experiences of which you are referring to [is], you are in actuality allowing an aspect of the subjective awareness to continue to be held in relation to the body consciousness and directing of the body consciousness, and you are allowing your objective and an aspect of the subjective awareness to project from the body consciousness and create more of a mobility within your physical dimension, and at times also within other areas of consciousness.

For the most part, individuals do project their awareness within this physical dimension and not into other physical dimensions or other areas of consciousness, for this is the nature of your attention as you manifest in this physical dimension. Therefore, it is understandable that you shall project your awareness and explore other areas or avenues of experience in relation to this physical dimension. Are you understanding?

FRANK: Yes, I am. Now, is that also because we wouldn’t understand other dimensions?

ELIAS: Partially, yes, you are correct.

For as you manifest within a particular physical dimension, your objective awareness, or what you view to be your understanding of reality, is based in the imagery of that particular physical dimension. Therefore, all that you encounter is filtered through your understanding in relation to this particular physical dimension.

In this, in projecting your awareness to another physical dimension, you may offer yourself experiences, but they are not translated into your understanding in this dimension genuinely or accurately, for they are a translation.

Other physical dimensions are quite diverse, and the manifestations that they engage may be quite differently expressed from what you recognize as physical manifestations, and this does not translate accurately into your understanding and awareness.

FRANK: Okay. Well, coming back to this, I assume that this is something I probably do regularly?


I may express to you that you ALL create this type of projection quite often. You merely are not paying attention to that action once you move yourself into your familiar awareness objectively. Therefore, many times you do not offer yourself an objective recall or memory of this action, but it is an action that you engage quite frequently.

Many experiences of this type are engaged within the sleep state, and many individuals in other cultures allow themselves this type of action frequently in a meditative state.

FRANK: Okay. Now, if this were to happen in a meditative state, would one be more likely to consciously remember what happened?

ELIAS: This is dependent upon the individual and your focus of attention in that time framework. If you are directing your attention to allow yourself an awareness within a meditative state, yes, you may allow yourself more of an objective recall.

But I may also express to you, there are many individuals that engage this type of action within waking state in engaging certain objective activities, and do not allow themselves an actual objective recall or memory of what they have engaged.

I may also express to you, at times, all of you have engaged that type of experience. Many individuals create this type of projection as they engage within their waking state some activity that they perceive to be mundane or monotonous. Some individuals may experience this type of projection within the action of the operation of their vehicles.

FRANK: Is that something I do frequently?

ELIAS: At times.

In this, as you view these types of experiences, you may allow yourself the noticing that you do not offer yourself a recall of the action that you have engaged within that time framework, but you do hold an awareness that your attention was focused in another manner.

You recognize that as you are operating your vehicle, you are not paying attention to that action, and what you express to yourself subsequently is that you have lost time or you have drifted into some other state of awareness, but you do not recall what you engaged in activity or experience within that time framework.

FRANK: Okay. Well, that happens to me often! (Laughing)

ELIAS: Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

FRANK: Okay, next question then. Why ... in that particular time, this was like September of ’92, why did I become aware of it at that time, and why haven’t I since? Since then I’ve wanted to re-create that experience, but haven’t been able to. So why did I find out about it then, and why not since?

ELIAS: In actuality, I may express to you, this is quite common that individuals allow themselves an awareness of an experience quite purposefully within any particular time framework.

Within that moment, you merely allowed yourself an expression of a lack of fear, a lack of analyzation, a lack of information objectively to be analyzing, and in that, you offered to yourself a momentary ease in objectively being aware of what you were engaging in this projection.

Now; this is purposeful in offering yourself an example objectively that you may recall and draw upon as you choose to be re-creating that type of awareness, so to speak.

For in this, you offer yourself information as to how to be engaging that type of experience in allowing yourself the example, and recalling not merely the experience itself but your state of being, so to speak, in that moment, and the difference of that moment and what you create in moments that you are intentionally attempting to be re-creating that type of awareness.

For now, you offer yourself much more information, which creates an excitement and an objective desire to be engaging these types of experiences, but also creates an automatic action and response within yourself of objectively creating an intensity of concentration, and that objective concentration in its intensity creates a tension, and that also creates a pushing within your energy rather than an allowance and a relaxation.

It also moves you into more of a thought process. In the previous experience, you were not analyzing or creating a thought process of how you shall be creating this action. You merely allowed yourself to freely express this type of experience, and allowed yourself an objective awareness of the action, though as a free flow of energy. Now you engage a thought process in relation to the action itself, and this complicates your movement.

FRANK: Okay. So the question is, how do I relax myself to be able to accomplish what I’m trying to accomplish?


ELIAS: Also allow yourself a focal point, but not in the expression of concentration objectively. Allow yourself a suggestion of a focal point, a direction, so to speak. This allows you to focus your energy rather than creating a scatteredness of your energy.

Once you have allowed yourself the suggestion of your objective, so to speak, and chosen a focal point ... be it merely to project your awareness to another physical location, or within the same room that you are physically occupying within the moment, or within another time framework. It matters not what you are actually choosing, but that you offer to yourself initially one direction, and in this, you focus your energy.

Now; focusing your energy requires no thought. The suggestion is enough. Once you have offered to yourself a suggestion, it matters not also that you actually project your awareness to that particular focal point, for this is not the point. The point in offering yourself these types of suggestions is merely to be offering the suggestion to yourself within your energy to be focused.

Once you have offered that suggestion, allow yourself to be creating a relaxation physically and within energy and within your thoughts, not creating a distraction or an interruption of the relaxation by engaging a thinking process....

FRANK: I assume that applies to almost anything I want to manifest?

ELIAS: For the most part, yes.

FRANK: Okay.

ELIAS: Thoughts are a creation within this physical dimension that serve a specific function. But within this physical dimension, you have directed your attention in almost an exclusive manner to the creation of thought in an expression of extreme of communication to yourself that you have moved your attention away from recognizing all of the other avenues of communication that you offer to yourself.

In actuality, the expression of communication of thought in its genuine function is relatively small, in your terms. The actual function of your thoughts is to be defining and identifying other communications. But as I have stated, you have moved your attention into this particular expression in such intensity that it has become what you now identify as almost an exclusive avenue of communication, which is not in actuality its design.

This is the reason that many times you experience conflict and confusion and also obstacles within your movements and within your experiences, for you are engaging your thoughts to excess.

FRANK: Okay, that’s very interesting. Let’s talk about the other avenues of communication. I assume you’re talking about things like events that happen.

ELIAS: Not necessarily.

FRANK: Okay. Well, what are the other avenues of communication?

ELIAS: I shall express to you, you have created an intricate design of physical reality.

You within yourselves have created a physical body that incorporates outer senses and inner senses, which are ALL objective communications to yourselves. And as I have been offering [in] information recently, another very expressive avenue of communication that you pay LITTLE attention to and is one of your MOST expressive avenues of communication are your emotions.

Your emotions, once again, as I have stated many times recently with individuals, are not reactions. They are not responses; they are not reactions. They are communications. But as you define them to be reactionary, you are not paying attention to what they are expressing to you. You view them merely to be a gauge as to your state of being, and they are not a gauge of your state of being. They are an actual communication, which is expressed objectively, from the subjective awareness to the objective awareness.

FRANK: Okay. Well, explain this. How do I go about interpreting this communication? Let’s say I wake up one morning and I just feel terrific, or another morning I wake up and I emotionally feel sort of depressed. How do I interpret that communication?

ELIAS: This is the function of your intellect. This is the function, in actuality, of your creation of thoughts. It provides you with the avenue of interpretation.

Thought has not been designed as an actual avenue of communication in itself. It is a function of interpretation and an offering of allowance for understanding within you as to the identification and interpretation of these other avenues of communication ... although many times it is unnecessary to be engaging this action of thought to be interpreting of the communications.

But in relation to your emotional communications, as you create an emotion, as you recognize that this is a communication and not a reaction and also not a gauge as to your state of being, this in itself offers different information to your thought process, and your thoughts automatically engage a different type of movement in the recognition of that communication.

As you define an emotion of anxiety, so to speak ... as you state, you may awake within your morning and experience this feeling or this emotion of anxiety or depression.

In this, as you identify that as a gauge and as a reaction to your state of being, your thoughts move in automatic function and merely express to you an identification of the feeling, so to speak, and your thought identifies no further, for it is merely identifying a reaction to your state of being. Therefore, it engages no more information in interpretation.

As you allow yourself to be recognizing that this is not a reaction, it is not a gauge, your thoughts automatically move in a different expression, and in this, the interpretation begins with a question as to what the communication is, and as the communication continues, the thought process continues its interpretation of that communication. You engage questioning and you engage answering within yourself in relation to the communication.

The difficulty or the miscommunication which is expressed is in the identification of the definition of what is occurring, and as you view the emotion to not be a communication, you do not receive the communication or the message, so to speak.

FRANK: So are you saying the emotion is sort of like a knock on the door, and instead of opening the door and getting the rest of it, you just say somebody knocked on the door and then ignore it?

ELIAS: Correct.

FRANK: Ah, okay. So in other words, if you recognize what this emotion is all about, then there’s more to come afterwards that will deliver whatever the message was.

ELIAS: Correct. You shall offer yourself much more information.

This is a valuable avenue and a quite efficient avenue of communication within yourself that you have all designed within this physical dimension.

I shall state once again, I have offered to you all an identification of the base elements of your physical reality in this particular dimension, and they are sexuality and emotion, not thought. Thought is a tool that you have created for interpretation, identification, and definition, not as a base element and expression of your physical reality.

FRANK: I’d like to move to something else that’s a little different, but I think related. There are two things I want to talk about.

Number one, sometimes when I just relax, maybe meditate, maybe just close my eyes and try to breathe deep and relax, I’ll see like violet splotches or spots that sort of come and go. Occasionally these are green also. That’s something that’s been going on for a long time, and that’s number one.

Number two, not so much these days, but in the past when I used to meditate, or again, just try to relax, I would feel my body start to vibrate. Sometimes it would vibrate so much that I almost couldn’t take it anymore, so basically I’d have to stop doing whatever I was doing. I’m curious as to what your thoughts are and what that means.

ELIAS: Now; first of all I shall express to you, in relation to the color expressions that you offer to yourself, this in actuality is a demonstration to yourself that you are allowing yourself genuinely to be relaxing, and also focusing your attention in the manner in which we have been speaking this day – allowing yourself to focus your attention upon a focal point, which becomes what you have chosen in that particular energy center of the violet, so to speak.

Now; there are many individuals that allow themselves to focus upon that particular energy center in a meditative action, which moves in relation to underlying belief systems, but it does offer you a directedness of your attention and your energy.

And as you continue to allow yourself a relaxation and are not intensely focusing your objective attention upon these expressions of color, but noticing of that expression of color and continuing to allow yourself to drift without thought, you may also engage other actions and movements.

And as you practice, you may begin with impressions that you allow to be recognized objectively, and not discounting of them, and in that practicing, the impressions may become more vivid. Some individuals create actual viewing visually of these impressions, and some individuals allow themselves at that point to be projecting their awareness to other areas.

But this is in actuality a validation to yourself in a recognition that you are accomplishing the beginnings of that type of movement, allowing yourself to view this color.

FRANK: Okay, and the vibration?

ELIAS: Now; this also moves in an expression of validation, in a different manner. What you are allowing with these two actions – one in relation to the color – is a translation to you objectively that your subjective awareness is moving in harmony to the intention that you are creating objectively.

The vibration is the objective validation to yourself that you are focusing your attention in what we may term to be [an] inward manner upon self. You are moving your attention away from distraction in outside creations or expressions, and allowing yourself to focus all of your attention, so to speak, upon self, and this is expressed in a response within you in creating that physical vibration.

Now; these both, as I have stated, are validations to you – that you are offering to yourself – that you are accomplishing the movement that you intend to be creating.

Once that communication – once again – is received, the actual manifestation physically may discontinue.

FRANK: Okay. Well, now I’m a little confused. When you say it may discontinue, do you mean that in the sense that it might or might not discontinue, or in the sense that I can dispense with it? And also, I come back to the question of, what happened with the vibration? It got so intense that I had to discontinue what I was doing.

ELIAS: Quite. I am understanding of this, and this is what I am expressing to you, that as that action is received as a communication and accepted as a validation, and you allow yourself to relax and not be holding your attention upon that particular experience, which is a communication, the communication shall discontinue, for it has been received, in like manner to what you have expressed with the knocking upon your door.

FRANK: Okay, so what you’re saying is, in going forward with this, now that I understand what is going on and I can just sort of relax about it, it will just go away, but I can remain in a meditative state.



ELIAS: Your attention moves in this action. Once the vibration begins, your attention becomes focused upon that action – in like manner to your objective attention being focused upon the knocking upon a door and the hearing of that sound – and in this, as you continue to concentrate upon the vibration, you are no longer focusing your attention upon the objective.

FRANK: Got it.

ELIAS: Your attention has moved into a different expression and is focused upon the vibration, and therefore the vibration continues, for it is not being acknowledged as a communication of validation.” [session 746, December 22, 2000]

NORM: “I’m very interested in inner senses. You have stated before that we all have and use inner senses, but we do not have the memory or we do not objectively realize the memory of this. I guess my question is, if we all have and use this, do we initialize it? I mean, when I was younger and so on and so forth, through all my life, have I initialized the use of inner senses? The subjective side of me has the memory, and then to get to the objective side ... are there impulses that come down that we have feelings? We do use this you were saying, and I was trying to get the idea of the “have” and the “use” that you meant in “we all have and use inner senses.” You follow what I’m saying?

ELIAS: And your question is?

NORM: The question is, do we consciously initialize these inner senses but we don’t realize the answers? We do not have the memory objectively of the initiation and the action of using the inner senses?

ELIAS: At times.

NORM: At times we do? So it’s like a feeling that we get?

ELIAS: At times; not necessarily.

NORM: One of the things that I’ve always felt since I’ve read Seth, almost ten years ago now, is the discussion of the inner senses and, of course, I always had the feeling that if you wanted to explore consciousness it would be very efficient to explore consciousness using inner senses. The human’s use of inner senses would be able to explore consciousness much better; really what I’m talking about is scientific work to attempt to understand it from an objective standpoint. So in other words, it would be much more efficient for me as a scientist to have and use inner senses with a memory actively, very actively.

ELIAS: It is dependent upon which area of consciousness you are attempting to be exploring.

NORM: You indicated to me some years ago about the heartbeat of the earth, and I’ve been trying to get the feeling of what that heartbeat is, if it’s an actual motion of the hot plasma in the earth and then that influence the magnetic fields of the earth, and so on and so forth. That would be an example.

ELIAS: Correct. And in this example you are correct; engaging your inner senses, that of your empathic sense, may be quite beneficial in allowing you to merge with this manifestation of consciousness.

NORM: Right, the earth is like a thing, and I can get the feelings that it has. Does it actually have feelings? What will I feel empathically?

ELIAS: This is dependent upon your experience. Let me express to you, Stephen, that which you view and recognize or identify as this “thing” of the earth is actually a projection of you. Therefore, the method, so to speak, may be much more efficient in allowing yourself the understanding that this is actually a projection of you, of your perception. Therefore it is not a separate entity from you, and in allowing yourself to move into yourself, recognizing that this thing that you view as your earth is in actuality a part of you, tapping into your empathic sense to be allowing yourself sense data in relation to this entity, if you will, you may allow yourself to experience that movement, that action.

It may not necessarily be experienced as a feeling, but it may. This is dependent upon your translation objectively of the experience. It may be translated as a feeling. It may be translated as a sensing. You may experience it as an action which may not necessarily translate as a feeling; but it may, dependent upon your translation.

NORM: I’ve been attempting to develop my idea of projection. My idea is that I am comparing that to a theater where I create the stage and the scenes and the actors. There’s other people in the theater and they may see my creation up there, but their belief systems and everything else is the thing that they see. It can be like a dual creation. Am I getting close to the right attitude and imagination of what is really happening in this concept of projection and creation?


NORM: And so I can look at the earth and see different things than Dehl can?


NORM: And beautifully ... okay. So I’m all right there.

It appears that I’m trying to allow and explore the inner senses without fear, and I’m trying to understand that, heck, I really do this in a sense all the time. All I have to do is pull the veil from my subjective to objective memory, or I have to allow that to occur. Am I imagining that correctly? Is the mass consciousness going to be influencing of everybody in the shift here and allowing these inner senses? Because of that, we will have really a new reality here.

ELIAS: Correct, although it is not in actuality the mass expression or consciousness that is affecting, per se, for it is the movement of each individual which, in a manner of speaking, does create the mass expression. But each individual in their movement within this shift ripples within consciousness and offers a lending of energy to the collective to be generating the objective expression of this shift in consciousness, and you are correct that it is altering of your reality. It is already altering of your reality and it shall become more and more swiftly accomplished.

RETA: If we could just get rid of that fear faster and let it happen, all of us.

NORM: I don’t know if I have as much fear in regard to opening the inner senses as I do out-of-body experiences, and so on and so forth. It’s a combination, I believe, of belief and fear that I have to overcome. Do you have any comments in that regard?

ELIAS: Express to myself your identification of the nature of the fear.

NORM: Well, I feel that I could travel anywhere on this earth. I’m very familiar with this earth. I’m sure I’ve had many, many focuses here, so that bleeds through to this focus. I feel that I was a ship captain, and so on and so forth, and I could go anywhere in land or sea or air and feel comfortable.

What I want to do is feel comfortable in the totality of reality that I really am, and I’m trying to get to the point where I can see that I can have feedback with myself that I’m going too far. How do I control myself in this new environment, and will I have the feedback that I need to not harm myself? I guess the point is, I keep arguing with myself that, well, I’ll never harm myself. But that’s really not the point. You just have to have the fortitude and the guts to go ahead and do it and the desire to do it. So I’m trying to get to that point, and it helps to talk this out a little bit and if you have any...

I guess in the last few months I have felt that I want to be more like I was when I was a child. I was exploring and I had no fear of anything. At times I did, but I really had no fear and I’ve got to get back to that point. So, I guess that will sort of finish that part of the conversation.

One of my curiosities also is, you have and many others have said that this particular dimension is very intricately designed, and I feel that I can kind of sense the intricacy of this design. Could you just correlate one, or state a comparative analysis between one dimension and another dimension, how intricate this particular design is? Why is this more intricate than other dimensions? I just want an example. (Pause)

ELIAS: (Slowly and deliberately) I may not necessarily offer you a comparison, but I may express to you that this particular dimension incorporates tremendous diversity. You allow yourselves within this dimension to explore consciousness in similar manner to the natural exploration of consciousness...

NORM: By essence?

ELIAS: Yes, but within a physical expression, incorporating an objective awareness. Although there are some physical dimensions that do also incorporate an objective awareness, this particular dimension in its design expresses more of an attention upon the objective expressions and the exploration of what you may create through your abilities in an objective manner.

Consciousness is not a thing. Therefore the expression of generating things is a tremendous exploration. For as essence [is] not a thing, to generate things from no thing is a challenge, and within this physical dimension the expression of generating physical matter, physical expressions, physical things, is immensely diverse – therefore the tremendous intricacy of this particular dimension.

As I have stated, there are other physical dimensions, and there are other physical dimensions that incorporate objective expressions and awareness.

Now; within those other physical objective dimensions there may be an incorporation of some diversity, but the detail may be less. For each physical dimension is created purposefully to explore consciousness as itself in different directions or, in your terms, for a different point. This particular physical dimension incorporates extreme diversity and attention to detail...

NORM: It’s been tweaked quite a bit, is that right?

ELIAS: In a manner of speaking, yes – in such detail that you generate this vastness of a universe which in actuality, as I have stated many times previously, is a projection of each individual.

This is a tremendous expression of diversity which is allowed within this particular physical dimension. The attention to detail is so very immense, to the point of incorporating vibrational qualities of color to the smallest speck and to the most immense spectrum. You do not merely incorporate the ability in this physical dimension to generate physical manifestations in relation to the tiniest grain of sand or the vastness of your creation and projection of the universe...

NORM: Galaxies.

ELIAS: Correct – but you also offer yourselves tremendous movement of self, of yourselves as consciousness. You allow yourselves the expression of outward projection and folding inward.

NORM: In a sense, we can do things that we cannot do as essence. Focuses can do things in a way that is different than what we can do as essence. Is that a true statement?

ELIAS: It is a different expression, yes; but you ARE essence.

NORM: I realize; but essence being, we focus here and then we can do those things, yes?

ELIAS: Correct.

NORM: Right, right, right. It is beautiful. It is beautiful; it’s wonderful.

ELIAS: You are correct. It is an amazing expression of consciousness to generate an intensity of expression of energy and manipulate that energy in a manner that produces a physical display in such wonder from no physical.

RETA: Tell me, to get back to being able to see more or work with it more, what is the fear that we have? Can you tell us more about the fear or the removal of the fear, to be able to see more or use our essence more to further ourselves?

ELIAS: And what is YOUR identification of the fear? Stephen [Norm] has already expressed in response to my question what his identification and expression of fear is, the lack of control or the suspicion that you may be harmful to yourself in allowing yourself to be projecting. What is the nature of your expression of...

RETA: It’s probably the same thing. I want to go there and not be harmful to myself – allow the allowance, allowing myself to do that.

ELIAS: And I shall express to you both quite definitely, in projection of energy in what you may term to be outside of the physical expression of your physical body, you naturally move and you naturally allow yourselves to not be hurtful, and you naturally move in a manner which is aware subjectively of your connection to your physical expression. Therefore it shall not project, in your terms, too far.

RETA: Sounds good.

ELIAS: In this, I may express to you, in actuality you incorporate much more potential to be harmful, in your terms, to yourself in your objective waking physical expressions. You generate that type of action in your actual physical expressions and manifestations.

NORM: If we were to carry that over, in a sense.

ELIAS: And you do not.

NORM: The natural is not that.

ELIAS: Correct, and therefore as you allow yourself to be projecting, your subjective awareness is continuously aware and directing of your physical expression, and as you allow yourself the objective awareness of your projection, that subjective awareness directs the mechanism of your physical expression. Therefore it shall not untether itself, in a manner of speaking.

NORM: Right. I just have to realize we all have those capabilities and it’s just built in. I have to accept the fact and allow it and believe it. Well, I think I understand this now.

ELIAS: Let me also express to you, I hold an awareness that an aspect of your fear is expressed in relation to your objective knowledge of an experience of Michael [Mary] and my responsiveness to it, in expressing to Michael [Mary] a caution that his projection was quite far. This has been assimilated by you both and has generated in your associations this possibility. (8)

Now; let me clarify. In relation to each of you and the directions that you choose and the types of manifestations that you have created within this focus, neither of you in most probable probabilities would be generating that type of projection, first of all. Let me also express to you that even if you were to be generating that type of expression, which in most potential you shall not, you would incorporate a recognition at a point and a knowing at a point of a choice, and in that moment you would be returning yourself to your physical expression and not venturing beyond that point.

The reason the caution was offered to Michael [Mary] – which would have been also offered to Lawrence had Lawrence attempted such a projection – for Michael’s [Mary’s] agreement and choice is to be in a particular position in relation to this phenomenon. But Michael [Mary] also incorporates at times a tremendous curiosity, and in that curiosity at times does not concern himself with any other movement than the curiosity. Therefore although the choice may have been generated and created and the agreement altered at any moment, the caution was merely a reminder that this is what Michael [Mary] has chosen and is his genuine desire in relation to this physical dimension, and that in the simultaneousness of time it is unnecessary for his exploration in following that curiosity within this particular physical expression.

Most individuals within your physical dimension do not create this type of action, and even in the rare expressions in which an individual may be generating that type of projection, they do move to a point in which they allow themselves the recognition of the choice and choose to be reconnecting with the physical expression, for you have chosen to be manifest purposefully.

NORM: The only harm would have been you wouldn’t have been back here, you would have been there, and there wouldn’t have been any harm being there. Am I interpreting that correct? I mean, the only harm being that you would not have returned to your body but there would be no harm to you as an essence.

ELIAS: Michael [Mary].

NORM: To Michael [Mary], yes.

ELIAS: Correct. It is merely a choice. But in that choice, it would have altered the expression of the energy exchange and this phenomenon, which if that had been chosen would merely be a choice, and I myself in agreement with the expression of consciousness would have chosen another individual; but that also may have been, in your terms, somewhat of a challenge, for much preparation was incorporated with Michael [Mary] prior to this energy exchange.” [session 989, January 21, 2002]

LISA: “One other experience that I have had in the past is sometimes when I’m going to sleep at night, I feel... It’s usually right when I’m about to go into a deep sleep. I can feel my whole entire body vibrating, almost like if you can imagine like a box within a box, and the box within is trying to get out. Could you explain that to me? Or does that sound familiar to you or...?

ELIAS: I am understanding. What you are experiencing is, in a manner of speaking, a precursor to an allowance of objectively recognizing and incorporating an awareness of allowing yourself to be projecting within consciousness.

Now; in this, the reason that you are imaging this to yourself in this manner is that you are not quite allowing yourself, yet, to be objectively aware of these projections, for there continues to be somewhat of an apprehension of allowing yourself the objective recognition of this type of action. But you are allowing yourself a beginning awareness that you do incorporate this ability and that you do actually generate this action regardless of whether you are objectively aware of these projections or not.

As you...

LISA: When you’re speaking of projections, am I to understand is that kind of like if I were to really relax enough and go with it, would it be like an out of body experience, where I might experience something in a different, I don’t know, plane or area?


LISA: So how can I... Do you have any suggestions on how I can maybe more fully realize that?

ELIAS: In allowing yourself to relax and to recognize that you may be objectively aware of this action and you shall not be engaging any harmfulness, and also recognizing that you may be offering yourself permission to relax and not generate this type of tension, and that in this action you may actually be incorporating fun and playfulness.

You offer yourself a tremendous freedom in allowing yourself to be projecting within consciousness, for you allow yourself much more mobility than you do within your objective waking movements.

LISA: Say when I feel this happening, is it up to me on a conscious level to decide where it is that I may want to project to? Or is it something that’s more deeper seated, that it’s just going to take me to a particular place?

ELIAS: Either may occur. You may allow yourself to intentionally choose where you wish to be projecting yourself, or you may relax and merely allow yourself to move and surprise yourself.

LISA: And though I would be aware of the experience during that time, when I wake up in the morning will I remember that experience?


LISA: So that could be great fun! (Laughs)

ELIAS: Quite.” [session 1031, March 10, 2002]

Exercises: mirror exercise

Exercises: viewing alternate realities

Exercises: SNAP – a beginning course in out-of-body projection

Exercises: focal points – projection of consciousness.

Library: lucid dreaming overview

End Notes:

(1) Paul’s note: Shynla is the essence name Elias uses when referring to Cathy McCallum, a long time friend of Vicki’s and Ron’s. Cathy was working on a free-lance job in Vienna, Austria during the time of this session.

Digests: find out more about essence names.

(2) Paul’s note: the concept of “walk-ins” is found in various New Age belief systems. The basic belief is that one personality is born – beginning a lifetime – and at some point a “new” personality takes possession and assumes the primary ego role. The result seems to explain the strong change of personality and loss of memory that some people experience.

Elias attempts to clarify this belief system within the context of human personality as a multidimensional process consisting of a variety of related aspect selves that he terms probable and alternate selves.

Just because people experience significant personality changes and/or inexplicable memory loss doesn't mean that there are intrusive actions of possession or the like foisted upon an individual by a malevolent OR benevolent ''external'' force. This is simply not the case and only serves to perpetuate the beliefs that some external ''thing'' or someone ''else'' creates our reality for us.

ELIAS: “I have begun to express to you elements of body consciousness. I have expressed to you from early on in our session times that your physical expression, your body, is not a vessel! It is a tangible, physical matter expression of essence. It is you. It holds its own consciousness, for each cell holds its own independent consciousness. Each atom holds its own individual consciousness. Within cooperation, it creates a collective consciousness which becomes your body consciousness. You, as a focus of essence, hold consciousness beyond the physical manifestation of body consciousness, but are intimately involved with this consciousness. You direct the consciousness and function of your physical expression; your body.

You are not another focus, but you may experience another focus. Another focus holds a body consciousness of its own, but you may experience an exchange and you may experience another focus in its totality. You may merge totally to another focus and experience another focus, as it may do likewise also.

I have also expressed that you intersect alternate selves. I have expressed that you may exchange with alternate selves. You may accomplish a certain time period within a focus and you may exchange with an alternate self, which shall continue the focus as you continue otherwise. How is this possible if your body consciousness is only your body consciousness? Here we come to unofficial information.

You view yourselves as one entity. You view yourselves as one mind, one body. You are not! You view your consciousness as one thinking mind, one thought process. You are countless thought processes. Each focus is not one entity. The air within this room occupies one space. It is not one entity. In like manner, you focus within one material expression physically, but your consciousness is not singular. Your physical body expression resonates to the tone of you, of one focus; not to the entirety of essence, but to the individual focus; for each focus is a new creation. It has been always, but it is new. We do not deal with used material!

Your body consciousness recognizes your beingness. Your body consciousness also recognizes that your focus beingness is an aspect of your essence and will also identify with all other aspects of essence. Therefore, within essence you may exchange temporarily between focuses.

Each focus is as the air within this room; myriads of aspects, countless elements of personality cooperating to create one focus. This allows for all of your alternate selves. These may exchange with an individual focus. However, another focus may not exchange with you. You may temporarily intersect and experience, but you may not ‘take over.’

You have asked much time ago of your concept of walk-ins; another entity which ‘walks into you,’ therefore assuming your physical expression and continuing for you as you dissipate into the cosmos! Which, we do not know of where you shall be dissipating to, but the new entity shall be ‘taking over’ your physical form. This does not happen! Underline! You may not assume another focus, for it is not you, although it is you! (Confused laughter) You may temporarily intersect, merge, experience another focus, just as they may temporarily merge with you and experience. In this mergence, you are unaware of this presence. You do not lose you, as they do not lose themselves.

If you are exchanging with another focus, you may merge into the experience of another focus. You may empathically be another focus. Aspects of your focus shall merge. This in reality you may consider, in your terms, a physical act. Your consciousness shall merge into this other individual. They may feel odd or strangely, but they also will continue to feel themselves. You shall hold an awareness, as if you are this focus. This may occur temporarily. You may not assume another focus. As you are all focuses of one essence, mergences may occur. The tone is close enough, in your terms, that each individual body consciousness shall temporarily be accepting of this mergence; temporarily.

Alternate selves hold almost entirely the same tone as what you understand of yourself. That self which you identify as you has countless alternate selves which are also you. You only identify one you, but just as you identify one air within one space, there are myriads of particles that are making up of this space. These alternates may exchange places with you, in your terms, for their tone will not be interrupting of your body consciousness. Another essence merging with you will be recognized by your body consciousness; and has been stated previously, your physical response within your body, to placing what you term to be foreign objects within it, shall be rejection. Your body and its consciousness holds its own awareness and responds to you.

This is not to say that an exchange with another essence may not occur ... obviously! [Paul’s note: refering to his interaction with Mary Ennis] (Laughter) Within agreement, an exchange may occur with another essence, but the body consciousness recognizes this exchange and is partially rejecting of this exchange. Physical elements occur, for the body consciousness realizes the essence occupying and directing ... We shall more express directing, for the essence does not float in and float out! But the body is recognizing of the direction and tone, which is different. Therefore, its response is to be rejecting of this. It will not reject alternates. It will not reject temporary exchange of other focuses of essence. It will be rejecting of another essence exchange. (Vic’s note: this must be why Mary experiences unexplainable physical symptoms and affectingness.) This is part of unofficial information. In all of its aspects, you may experience exchange or intersection with alternates or with another focus, and you may experience emotional changes, thought changes, action changes, that you do not understand. They shall be temporary, in your view, but you shall notice.” [session 147, January 12, 1997]

Digests: follow these links for more information on:
aspects of essence | essence; an overview | focus of essence; an overview.

(3) Vic’s note: regarding the following sentence: “Let me explain to you that within this physical dimension, this physical manifestation, truths exist, but they are far removed from what you believe within your belief systems to be true.” This was stated by Elias as, “... within your belief systems that are true.” I have changed the words “that are” to “to be" in the transcript.

Recently, Elias seems to be confusing the tense of words more than usual. This is probably indicative of yet another change in the phenomenon. Since I could be misinterpreting the incorrect usage of any words Elias uses, I always note any changes I make.

(4) Paul’s note: Elias has offered an exercise in which to explore the way we interact with our own and other peoples’ energy.

Exercises: find out more about the energy fields; allowance, penetration, buffer exercise.

(5) Paul’s note: the clarity exercise is a tool that sharpens the physical senses by enhancing our ability to concentrate, observe, and focus in the present moment. While fine-tuning the five physical senses, its purpose is also to maintain the clarity of focus in altered states and projections of consciousness.

ELIAS: “The point of the exercise in clarity is to be allowing you the opportunity to be manipulating outer senses, which may also offer you more of an understanding of how to be manipulating inner senses more efficiently and to be using your inner senses in conjunction with each other as you use your outer senses in conjunction with each other, but you do not allow yourselves to be efficiently manipulating your OUTER senses, which you are quite familiar with!

Therefore, I have offered that particular exercise that you may become more familiar with manipulating these senses that you hold familiarity with, and in this you may offer yourself the opportunity to more efficiently manipulate your inner senses, which shall be offering you more information within consciousness, and also, it shall be helpful to you in manipulating energy within the action of this shift.” [session 336, October 27, 1998]

Exercises: find out more about the clarity exercise.

(6) Vic’s note: I have changed “that you term” to “in your terms” in the first phrase of this paragraph. The original phrase is: “A more accurate description of an out-of-body experience would be that experience of unconsciousness, that you term ...”

(7) Paul’s note: Elias engages what he terms an “energy exchange” with a woman named Mary Ennis. This exchange is similar to what many call “channeling” but Elias says that these two actions are somewhat different. Channeling involves an interaction with aspects of one’s own essence, and an energy exchange involves a mergence and an exchange with another essence. Mary’s experience within this exchange has changed many times since the sessions began in April 1995.

(8) Bobbi’s note: this is Elias’ first warning to Mary about projecting too far; he mentions it in many other sessions as well. From session 9, May 24, 1995:

VICKI: Michael had a different and indescribable experience during our most recent session. Can you tell us about that?

ELIAS: Michael is moving very, very quickly. In his excitement, he has projected beyond any known focus or imagination. He projected very far. This is very uncommon. This was a result of his great desire to know things out of his focus. We will explain.

He projected very far past me into a dimension and focus I am familiar with, but am not in. The reason he cannot put into words his experience is because where he projected to, there are no words. There is also no translation for this into any language, in any other dimension or physical focus.

The presence was that of extreme great masters. They do not possess form, as you think of anything with form. His inability to address color focus, I understand. I have viewed this color focus. It is even greater than my own. Our own color spectrum would be indescribable in physical terms. This other color spectrum transcends even ours. He was not completely aware of sound, but if you remind him, he will remember sound unfamiliar to any of his or my focus; tones so artfully magnificent that they may incredibly dwarf the most soul-moving sounds you have ever experienced in your focus. I cannot describe this dimension, only because I have only glimpsed it and am not part of it yet. We will caution Michael to not become too free with this type of projection.

VICKI: Is this because it is not good for him?

ELIAS: It is not a question of “good for him”. (Smiling) It is a question of “flying away.” He may find it difficult to rein back. I was not anticipating his tremendous eagerness when I explained he would not fly away.

Digests – see also: | accepting self | aspects of essence; an overview | avenues of communication | belief systems; an overview | bleed-through | choices/agreements | creatures | dimension | dream mission | Dream Walkers; an overview | essence; an overview | energy centers (body) | energy exchanges; Elias, Paul (Patel) | energy signatures | essence; an overview | essence; facets of | essence families; an overview | essence names | fear | focal points | focus of essence; an overview | forum | imagery | imagination | manifestation | mergence | noticing self | objective/subjective awareness | out-of-body experiences | perception | probabilities | probable selves | religion (spirituality) | Rose; an overview | shift in consciousness | time frameworks | vessel | widening awareness |

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